Any Wii remorse out there?

[hypernova]

And I just don't get the appeal of waving around a very imprecise controller to play largely mediocre or subpar games

And you don't even need to know the words of the songs in Rock Band, just the general pitch.

And by my account, PS3 doesn't have a decent exclusive game.  FFXIII (I assume) will be the first.  360 only has about three by my standards so far.

[shmokes]

What about Uncharted: Drake's Fortune?  Or some of these other ones..  In fact, when it comes to libraries, it's worth noting that according to Metacritic the PS3 has 45 games with an average review score of 8.0/10 or higher, while the Wii has 15.

[DaveMMR]

Well while everyone is counting scores over at Metacredit, it's important to know what types of games you want to play when making console buying decisions.   The reason I'm partial to the Wii (as well as many others) is because I've downgraded myself to "casual gamer".  I no longer have the time of patience for the complex games found on the Xbox 360 and PS3 (not to say they aren't enjoyable nor to say those systems don't have simple, fun games either).  I like the simplicity of Wii games (as well as many VC offerings) as many of them have quicker learning curves.  Many titles are "pick up and play".  Less is more with me.  If my description above represents the exact opposite of your interests, perhaps the Wii isn't for you. :-)

[ChadTower]

What about Uncharted: Drake's Fortune?  Or some of these other ones..  In fact, when it comes to libraries, it's worth noting that according to Metacritic the PS3 has 45 games with an average review score of 8.0/10 or higher, while the Wii has 15.

If that meant anything the PS3 would have 45 high quality games.  I'm not saying the Wii has depth to the library, but we can all pretty much agree, the PS3 doesn't have forty five great games.

[AtomSmasher]

What about Uncharted: Drake's Fortune?  Or some of these other ones..  In fact, when it comes to libraries, it's worth noting that according to Metacritic the PS3 has 45 games with an average review score of 8.0/10 or higher, while the Wii has 15.

If that meant anything the PS3 would have 45 high quality games.  I'm not saying the Wii has depth to the library, but we can all pretty much agree, the PS3 doesn't have forty five great games.

Metacritic included downloadable games, which is why it shows 45.  As for ps3 exclusives, the only one I personally care about is Rachet and Clank, they have a couple of other ones with good reviews, but none of them are games I really want to play.  EGM recently had a cover story article saying why the PS3 is going to have a great year, and their #1 reason was the upcoming exclusives, and pretty much none of the games on the list interested me (and is partly why I finally chose to buy a 360 over a ps3).

Their list of killer upcoming ps3 exclusives was Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 5, Resistance 2, Final Fantasy XIII, SOCOM, and Infamous.    Infamous is the only one I might want to play, but I haven't heard much about it yet.

Anyways, I'm heading out now to buy Super Smash Bros. Brawl 

[TOK]

Well while everyone is counting scores over at Metacredit, it's important to know what types of games you want to play when making console buying decisions.   The reason I'm partial to the Wii (as well as many others) is because I've downgraded myself to "casual gamer".  I no longer have the time of patience for the complex games found on the Xbox 360 and PS3 (not to say they aren't enjoyable nor to say those systems don't have simple, fun games either).  I like the simplicity of Wii games (as well as many VC offerings) as many of them have quicker learning curves.  Many titles are "pick up and play".  Less is more with me.  If my description above represents the exact opposite of your interests, perhaps the Wii isn't for you. :-)

The lack of time is one of the most appealing aspects of MAME. Its nice to be able to play a couple games when I have a free half hour or something. The bad thing for the Wii is that the simple game niche is filled and I'm not really looking for that elsewhere.

[DaveMMR]

Well while everyone is counting scores over at Metacredit, it's important to know what types of games you want to play when making console buying decisions.   The reason I'm partial to the Wii (as well as many others) is because I've downgraded myself to "casual gamer".  I no longer have the time of patience for the complex games found on the Xbox 360 and PS3 (not to say they aren't enjoyable nor to say those systems don't have simple, fun games either).  I like the simplicity of Wii games (as well as many VC offerings) as many of them have quicker learning curves.  Many titles are "pick up and play".  Less is more with me.  If my description above represents the exact opposite of your interests, perhaps the Wii isn't for you. :-)

The lack of time is one of the most appealing aspects of MAME. Its nice to be able to play a couple games when I have a free half hour or something. The bad thing for the Wii is that the simple game niche is filled and I'm not really looking for that elsewhere.

By "simple" I'm referring more to the gameplay mechanics rather than length of playtime.  A lot of what I've played on the PS2, Xbox, etc. required numerous different action buttons, have longer learning curves, and wastes a lot of time on plot development rather than action.  (In fairness, I should note that my one complaint with Super Mario Galaxy is that there's a little too much story, especially when you first begin.)   There's nothing wrong with any of that, it's just not doing it for me anymore.   

By I do agree that MAME games do really fit the bill when you only have 15 to 20 minutes to kill.   But so do the VC games. 

[Daniel270]

I don't feel like it's remorse, so much as why can't I play this and a couple more simultaneously? lol..  Between the 360, Wii, the PC, MAME and the older consoles, I feel like I can't take the time to do more than a bit of each one.  My attention span doesn't work that way.  For a while, I'll play Warcraft on the PC, then I'll load up Zelda or Raving Rabbids on the Wii and go hawg wild for a bit.  That sort of thing....

But, I think, ultimately, I'm at the last leg of my console purchasing days.  I'll enjoy what I've got as I make time for it, but I'm willingly going to drop out of the race to have the next latest, "greatest" thing.  It's all luxury items that are getting past my ability to afford and justify.

[Kangum]

 i dont think i fully understood what the wii was all about when i got it. so its my fault i have wii remorse. as you know wii is all about motion control. not sometimes like a powerglove or novelty. but all the time. in every game.

the fact is im both lazy and i like violence. xbox 360 better serves my needs.

[genesim]

I like MK Armageddon on the Wii, the control is real nice.   A sin that they didn't include online play though.  What were they thinking?

The wii mote does the moves perfectly.   You just have to now how to use them.   PAUSE after the special move, and it works every time.   And no, it doesn't change a furious fight at all.   

[shmokes]

If that meant anything the PS3 would have 45 high quality games.  I'm not saying the Wii has depth to the library, but we can all pretty much agree, the PS3 doesn't have forty five great games.

Nor does the Wii have 15 great games.  It means something because even if the standard makes it appear that there are more great games than there are, the same standard is being applied to both systems.

I'm not even saying that one system has the better library than the other.  I've never even played a PS3.  I am just responding to what I strongly suspect is a myth that the PS3's library is a wasteland, while the Wii and 360 enjoy phenomenal libraries. 

[AtomSmasher]

I'm not even saying that one system has the better library than the other.  I've never even played a PS3.  I am just responding to what I strongly suspect is a myth that the PS3's library is a wasteland, while the Wii and 360 enjoy phenomenal libraries. 

The PS3's library is not a wasteland, its the PS3 exclusives library that is a wasteland.  They only have 2 or 3 good games that can't be played on other systems.

[AtomSmasher]

Nor does the Wii have 15 great games.  It means something because even if the standard makes it appear that there are more great games than there are, the same standard is being applied to both systems.

Just thought I'd add to this even though its something I already said.  Metacritic includes downloadable games, so even though the same standard is being applied to both systems, the Wii is only including full retail releases, while the PS3 is including small downloadable games.  I guess this will be evened out once WiiWare comes out and gets a full library of original downloadable games.

[DaveMMR]

I like MK Armageddon on the Wii, the control is real nice.   A sin that they didn't include online play though.  What were they thinking?

The wii mote does the moves perfectly.   You just have to now how to use them.   PAUSE after the special move, and it works every time.   And no, it doesn't change a furious fight at all.   

You know, ironically, I prefer regular controllers (e.g. GC or Classic Controller) for that game.  But therein lies the good example of considerately programmed Wii software.  It has motion controls for those that want to use the system's unique feature, but left the game controllable by more conventional methods for those that just want to play the game without an additional learning curve. 

[shmokes]

Metacritic includes downloadable games, so even though the same standard is being applied to both systems, the Wii is only including full retail releases, while the PS3 is including small downloadable games. 

I'm not going to say that's entirely irrelevant, but it's pretty close.  A #1, of the 45 games on the list only a VERY small percentage of them are downloadable games.  B #2, a downloadable game is, well, a game.  If it's new content, and it's loads of fun, I can't for the life of me see why it would be any less appropriate on Metacritic as a game that was delivered on a physical disc. 

The Wii doesn't have any downloadable games on MetaCritic because you can't get downloadable games for the Wii (new content, that is).  That doesn't mean that MetaCritic is unfairly favoring the Playstation 3; it simply means that the Playstation 3 has something cool that the Wii doesn't have.

[shmokes]

Also, I just counted, and of those 45 games, 14 (may be off by one or so) are exclusive to the PS3.  Of those, one or maybe two were downloadable games, and MotorStorm counted twice cos one is the Japanese import version which rates higher for some reason that I did not look into.  So, conservatively, you have at least 10 games on PS3 that are exclusive, full retail games that are not available on any other system.  edit: I'm only counting games with an 8/10 score or better here.

The Wii has 8.

Not to mention, isn't it a little bit funny when comparing the PS3 library to the Wii library for you to say you can't count games that are available on other systems?  I mean, in such a comparison, shouldn't a game count as effectively exclusive, so long as it's not available on the Wii?  For example, I own a Wii and do not own an Xbox 360.  If I get a PS3 it opens the door to play a whole bunch of games that I couldn't previously play, including games that I would be able to play on the 360, if I owned a 360.  You can't just entirely discount the importance of multiplatform games just because they're multiplatform.  You have to do one of two things: you either give PS3 credit for having the game, or Wii takes a hit for not having the game.  The net result is the same either way.

And it's a BluRay player to boot (the best BluRay player on the market, I might add).  PS3 seems like it'd be a pretty decent platform to own.

I'm just sayin . . .

[ChadTower]

You're arguing 14 vs 8 all this time after release?

Shouldn't your point be "all this time after release we only get 22 quality games combined"?

[shmokes]

Not when my argument is a direct reply to this:

And by my account, PS3 doesn't have a decent exclusive game. 

[AtomSmasher]

10 exclusive games of which there are only 2 that I would want to play, the Wii has 8 exclusives with 8 or better of which there are 7 I want to play (and already own).  Although I do have to admit that I did not think there were 10 exclusive games on the ps3 with a 8 or higher rating.

Also, I wasn't replying to the Wii vs PS3 debate, I was replying to you saying the PS3 has 45 good games and that it has a pretty good library.  If you look earlier you see their lack of exclusives that I want to play is the reason I bought a 360 last month.

I guess my very last post was directed toward the ps3 vs Wii, but as I said WiiWare will soon be coming out for the Wii, so soon the Wii will have downloadable games on there too.  Regardless, I would only consider full retail games when counting a systems library, not $5 casual games, but I can understand an argument why someone would.

[patrickl]

So because you own an Xbox 360, the PS3 has only 2 good games?

[AtomSmasher]

So because you own an Xbox 360, the PS3 has only 2 good games?

You've got that backwards, because the PS3 has only 2 good games, I own a 360.  Also, if you look back at my earlier post you'll see that I ultimately choose the 360 because the lineup of exclusive games for the PS3 coming out this year didn't appeal to me either.

[shmokes]

The 360 does have a better library than either of the other consoles right now.  But how long is that going to last? 

And regardless, games, for some strange reason, have an incredibly short shelf-life.  I've never been able to grok why the world works this way, but for some reason Dr. Zhivago and The Wizard of Oz remain viable titles in video retail.  Catch-22 and, hell, Don Quixote still sell like gangbusters.  Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon continues to outsell almost every album on Billboard's Top 100.  But once a videogame is six months old it's virtually forgotten.  This dynamic hurts Microsoft.  It makes what should be a trump-card virtually irrelevant.  Xbox 360 is preparing to have over 1000 games out by sometime this summer (presumably that includes downloadable games).  But, by and large, the controlling mantra in the videogame market place is, "But what have ya done for me lately?"

[AtomSmasher]

And regardless, games, for some strange reason, have an incredibly short shelf-life.

You can't actually be saying that with a straight face on a forum dedicated to building machines to play games from 20 years ago?   

I do agree that a large part of the game marketplace only wants to know whats new and exciting that coming out, and for me the upcoming exclusives on the 360 looks better then the upcoming exclusives on the ps3.  Anyways, it can't be completely true or else backwards compatibility would be irrelevant and I've heard quite a few complaints about Sony removing bc from some versions of the ps3.

Regardless, I don't plan on buying any brand new 360 games for a while as I'll be taking my time catching up on the 360's older games.

[shmokes]

And regardless, games, for some strange reason, have an incredibly short shelf-life.

You can't actually be saying that with a straight face on a forum dedicated to building machines to play games from 20 years ago?   

We're just crotchety.  We don't count.  And, seriously, we don't.  Gamers like us do not make up a sizable portion of the marketplace.  If we did, the marketplace wouldn't work the way I described -- and it very much does.

As for backwards compatibility, it's usually more fluff than substance.  Look at me.  I'm disappointed that by the time I get a PS3 (I'm thinking maybe Christmas 2009 is a reasonable target I can hope for), a PS3 with BC probably won't even exist on the shelves anymore.  I'm sad cos I never owned a PS2 and I want to get a little God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico going on.  But that's seriously just about it.  Three or four games.  And who knows if I'll ever actually get around to them, what with all the PS3 games that I want to play but don't have the time for as it is (especially by the time the 2009 Holidays roll around and the library is WAY bigger).

Seriously, how often do you pop an Xbox game into your Xbox 360? 

[AtomSmasher]

Seriously, how often do you pop an Xbox game into your Xbox 360? 

Since I never owned an xbox and only owned the 360 for less then a month, I've never put an xbox game in the 360.  But if few gamers cared about bc, then I wouldn't be hearing so many people complaining about the ps3 losing it (I've heard lots of complaining here, on various blogs, from friends, and even the tv show xplay), but I do agree its not going to make or break a console, to me it feels like an added bonus since this is the first generation of consoles I've owned with bc.

Also, the Wii has had over 7.8 million sales on the virtual console (this was the reported number is Nov. 2007), so theres still a pretty large market of people playing older games.

[pointdablame]

because the PS3 has only 2 good games, I own a 360. 

TO YOU.  The PS3 only has 2 good games TO YOU.  How can you discount what shmokes is saying about metacritic or the rest of the thread based solely on the fact that YOU don't want to play the games.  I'm pretty sure shmokes is speaking in generalities here -- not directing it directly at you Atom.

It just seems kind of odd to continue this debate with the convenient tactic of excluding any data that hurts your argument.

[AtomSmasher]

TO YOU.  The PS3 only has 2 good games TO YOU. 

Exactly.  So to bring the thread full circle and answer the question do I have any Wii remorse or would I of been happier to get a PS3?  No I do not have Wii remorse, because I feel the PS3 has only 2 good games.

[patrickl]

TO YOU.  The PS3 only has 2 good games TO YOU. 

Exactly.  So to bring the thread full circle and answer the question do I have any Wii remorse or would I of been happier to get a PS3?  No I do not have Wii remorse, because I feel the PS3 has only 2 good games.

Yet you also felt the need to buy an Xbox 360.

I guess that's the point. "Are you so disappointed about your Wii that you feel that you'd rather have a PS3 or Xbox 360"

[AtomSmasher]

Yet you also felt the need to buy an Xbox 360.

I guess that's the point. "Are you so disappointed about your Wii that you feel that you'd rather have a PS3 or Xbox 360"

Yup I bought a 360, and the only game I have on the 360 is Rock Band.  Right now the Wii is my main gaming machine, the PC is a close second, and the 360 is coming in at a distant third.  I will most likely continue to buy Wii games the very day they are released released, but I won't be buying any more new releases for the 360 (with Rock Band being the only one and its not exactly new anymore) for a very long time, and will probably even wait until my birthday in June before I get any older titles for it.

[shmokes]

Rock Band and GTA IV.  Those are the games that it's killing me to be unable to play.  Of course, Rock Band is coming to the Wii, so that's nice.  On the other hand, buying Rock Band is practically as expensive as buying another Wii, so I don't know when I'll be able to afford it.

[ahofle]

By the time Rock Band makes it to the Wii I most likely won't care enough about it to spend $170.  I know at least 4 other people who would buy it in a second if it was out right now for Wii.  I doubt they will care either a year from now or whenever it's finally released for Wii.  They really screwed the pooch on that one.

[shmokes]

Yeah . . . it's hard to say.  I'm sure it'll sell well enough to merit its release on the platform.  But I doubt the Wii is the ideal system for it.  Probably a large percentage of the Wii owners who can afford to drop $170 on a single game already own a 360 or PS3.  In that case they neither want to wait for the Wii version, nor would they buy the Wii version, which is bound to be inferior, even if it had released simultaneously with the other two.

[ahofle]

Probably a large percentage of the Wii owners who can afford to drop $170 on a single game already own a 360 or PS3.  In that case they neither want to wait for the Wii version, nor would they buy the Wii version, which is bound to be inferior, even if it had released simultaneously with the other two.

Each of the 4 people I know ready to buy Rockband do not own any other console.