metroid prime 3 = game for the hardcore wii'ers

[notaburger]

the lady got me metroid for my birthday yesterday
let's just say that my arcade isn't going to be seeing much work for the next couple weeks

if you have a wii and like fps or platforming games, give it a check

well worth the price of admission on this one (unlike many of the other wii games)

[SNAAKE]

resident evil 4 is for the hardcore wii'ers. basically its the best ever for the wii !!

[shmokes]

Well, now, I'd like to get my hands on RE4 for the Wii sometime, maybe as a rental, considering that I played the entire game from start to finish well over a year ago, I have to admit that I am quite a bit more excited/interested in Metroid 3.  I mean, Metroid 3 actually IS a Wii game.  RE4 is really something more like a Wii-enhanced Gamecube game.  Don't get me wrong.  The enhancements sound cool, but they don't make it an entirely different game.  In fact, for the most part, it's exactly the same game.

[Tahnok]

I just beat RE4 earlier today, so maybe I'll pickup MP3 now.

RE4 was fantastic. One of the best games I've played in a while. There's enough bonus material as well to keep me busy for a while. I highly recommend it.

[lcddream]

control wise mp3 runs circles around re4.

[hulkster]

control wise mp3 runs circles around re4.

i totally agree.  the controls for mp3 are awesome.  it took me about 30 minutes to really get used to the fps wii controls, but after about an hour or so, and after a few fights with multiple enemies, i am now blasting like a pro.  im about 8 hours into the game and its great.  i just hope the next fps games will use this control scheme...it will make things so much cooler.

red steel 2 will hopefully use this (announced in next nintendo power) as red steel sucked big time in the controls department.  plus the story was crap, and the graphics were crap, and the gameplay was very limited, plus no online....other than that it was GREAT!   red steel 2 is supposed to have online as well, so thats good...lets just hope the controls are the same as mp3!

[shardian]

I played this at Gamestop over the weekend, and I guess it could be neat once you get into it. one question though, do any of you get a sore wrist holding the wiimote while playing FPS games? My wrist was killing me after only like 5-10 minutes playing that. I am guessing it was because the screen was small, but I was just curious how it is to play at home on a bigger tv...assuming you all use a bigger tv.

[Hoagie_one]

Wrist never hurt.  My neck,however can hurt if I'm sitting too low, looking up at the screen

[hulkster]

never had a sore wrist.  i usually play with my hand resting on my knee or the couch or whatever. 

[shmokes]

Yeah . . . my guess is that your problem is that you were forced to play standing up, pointing your arm straight out toward the screen cos you were in the store. 

[shardian]

Yeah . . . my guess is that your problem is that you were forced to play standing up, pointing your arm straight out toward the screen cos you were in the store. 

I still don't understand why they don't just leave the wiisports game in the demo machine all the time. I've still never played that! I have floundered in the opening areas of Zelda and metroid. Those experiences don't exactly scream BUY ME!

[shmokes]

It's a good question.  The only time I ever played a Wii kiosk was at a Game Crazy just after launch and they had ExciteTruck in it.  I wasn't impressed at all.  It just seemed like a mediocre racing title with sloppy controls. 

[ahofle]

I've never seen a Wii display model setup anywhere.  How are the wiimotes secured?  You need a lot of slack for most games -- I would think a big long cable would be annoying.

[MajorLag]

As I understand it, they make you give them collateral like a credit card in order to borrow the controller.

[shardian]

Best Buy, Circuit Cit, and other big box retailers won't let you play the Wii "due to safety concerns". Gamestop, Babbages, and other gaming stores will let you play, but you give them your ID to check out the controller.

[hulkster]

It's a good question.  The only time I ever played a Wii kiosk was at a Game Crazy just after launch and they had ExciteTruck in it.  I wasn't impressed at all.  It just seemed like a mediocre racing title with sloppy controls. 

really?  i thought excite truck was a blast.  granted, i didnt think it was worth $50 because of short single player and its limited to only 2 player racing...and thats with no bots.  i loved the controls.  whenever they come out with excite truck 2, if its got online and a lengthier single player...thats a must buy for me. 

[notaburger]

i guess the reason that they use games other than wii sports in their kiosk is because the retailers are worried about selling games
they cannot sell wii sports
stores like that make zilch on systems, they only sell them because they have to
the overhead on the games is much higher
anyway

i'm about 3 hours into mp3 and it's great
hand never gets tired
i tend to rest it on my knee, the controls are so precise that you don't have to move it a whole heck of a lot
the game also mixes up controls just the right amount, so it's not staying "too" still

i find myself getting much more tired playing a game like zelda since you have to flail about

i haven't picked up re4 yet, i really should at 29.99 (especially since i haven't played the gamecube version)
i would imagine that it's good, my old roommate played it through twice in one week

i just don't have the time to commit to all of these one player games, maybe i should stop drinking so many beers al of the time and i should finish twilight princess (and not my arcade) 

[shmokes]

Wow . . . that's a really smart insight into their reasoning for not putting Wii Sports on display.  I'm sure that's exactly right.  I would say it's a bad move, since you will sell more games simply by virtue of moving more systems into peoples' homes, and nothing puts that system in peoples' homes like Wii sports, except that so far retailers have had absolutely zero difficulty in putting that system into homes.  They know that they'll move the systems just as fast as they can put them on the shelves, so I suppose it really does make more sense to demo different games.


And, yeah, seriously GET Resident Evil 4.  It is effing phenomenal.  It easily makes it into the list of top five games released on any system in the last generation.  It's seriously that good.  The one thing bad about Resident Evil 4 is that once you play through it and see how amazing a job they did revamping the mechanics of the game, you will see the trailer for Resident Evil 5 and realize that there is no way you can avoid picking up an Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 

[SNAAKE]

yeah..I wish they made re5 for the wii. re4 with the wiimote is just TOOOOOOOOOOO F@#KING GOOD !!

[Howard_Casto]

snaaake re4 is just a re-port of a gamecube game.  It's not hardcore by any means because it's an old game re-hashed for the wii.  The controls came out really nice, but if you are "hardcore" you should have played this game about two years prior (on the gc) or at least a year prior (on the ps2). The only thing that saves it from being one of these lame ps2 ports to the wii is the fact that re4 was such an amazing game and capcom took the time to re-work the controls right so not to embarrass themselves.   

Mp3 is about as close to perfection as I've seen on the wii so far.  The controls make re4 mechanics seem sloppy in comparison.  It's sold approx 400,000 copies in it's frist frikkin week too!  And keep in mind the only region it's been released in is north america too.  I still don't get why the doors still have that glitch though... I've been told sometimes they don't open up to hide load times, but it isnt much fun to do the moon walk 10 times trying to get the door open.  Then again it's still waaay faster than the loading systems in most games.  It could just be that I'm so good at the game that I fly through the rooms too quickly as well. 

[RTSDaddy2]

I've noticed the little door glitch too - wondered what the heck it was waiting on!  I usually don't have her dance though - just stand still and shoot again.

As for RE4, if it's that good a remake, I may have to try it out too - probably will rent it first as I'm not sure how heavy it is on the blood and guts factor, though I finally did get around to trying out RE on the DS...probably not the world's best version of the franchise, but at least I found that one intriguing.  I hated RE2 for the N64...never could figure out the controls.

[ahofle]

I'm so behind the times.  I just picked up used copies of MP and MP2 for gamecube (OMG I'm costing the software industry money by buying used games!).  I'm going to try and play through those before picking up MP3.  So far I like MP a lot, although it's still hard for me to really enjoy an FPS with a console controller.  Oh, how I wish these games were released for the PC.

[Hoagie_one]

I'm so behind the times.  I just picked up used copies of MP and MP2 for gamecube (OMG I'm costing the software industry money by buying used games!).  I'm going to try and play through those before picking up MP3.  So far I like MP a lot, although it's still hard for me to really enjoy an FPS with a console controller.  Oh, how I wish these games were released for the PC.

Part 1 adn 2 had the lock on feature.  The mouse keyboard thing is a non-issue to me

[AtomSmasher]

I'm so behind the times.  I just picked up used copies of MP and MP2 for gamecube (OMG I'm costing the software industry money by buying used games!).  I'm going to try and play through those before picking up MP3.  So far I like MP a lot, although it's still hard for me to really enjoy an FPS with a console controller.  Oh, how I wish these games were released for the PC.

Part 1 adn 2 had the lock on feature.  The mouse keyboard thing is a non-issue to me

I never played MP or MP2, but I'm with ahofle on this one.  I really tried to like Resident Evil 4 on the gamecube and played it for several hours, but I just couldn't enjoy it with the control scheme.  I'm almost finished with bioshock, so I'll probably be picking up MP3 this weekend and I'm hoping this will be the first fps on a console I've really enjoyed.

[shmokes]

Weird.  I thought the control scheme of RE4 was fantastic.  Jesus, man, if you couldn't come to grips with that, god help you if you try one of the previous RE games.  From the sound of it, though, it might be worthwhile for you to give it another shot on the Wii.  I've not played it, but I get the impression that the new controls are vastly superior.

[Tahnok]

Weird.  I thought the control scheme of RE4 was fantastic.  Jesus, man, if you couldn't come to grips with that, god help you if you try one of the previous RE games.  From the sound of it, though, it might be worthwhile for you to give it another shot on the Wii.  I've not played it, but I get the impression that the new controls are vastly superior.

I'm not sure if I would say they are vastly superior, but they are better. If nothing else, aiming as much faster, as you can simply point at the target instead of slowly moving the cursor towards it. Also, the bonus material is pretty cool (too bad someone like atom who has no intentions of ever beating the game will ever see it).

[tommy]

The GC's first Metriod is only about $6.00 used where i am and so i'll be trying that out before i buy the Wii's version.

 I don't know why but MP was just one of those GC games i never bothered to try and i can see that being the same if the cube's MP does not impress and make me want to get the Wii's MP. Although it's not fair to compare these two games that share the same name, the GC version will make up my mind on the franchise.

[AtomSmasher]

Weird.  I thought the control scheme of RE4 was fantastic.  Jesus, man, if you couldn't come to grips with that, god help you if you try one of the previous RE games.  From the sound of it, though, it might be worthwhile for you to give it another shot on the Wii.  I've not played it, but I get the impression that the new controls are vastly superior.

I'm not sure if I would say they are vastly superior, but they are better. If nothing else, aiming as much faster, as you can simply point at the target instead of slowly moving the cursor towards it. Also, the bonus material is pretty cool (too bad someone like atom who has no intentions of ever beating the game will ever see it).

Why would I have no intention of beating the game?  I beat probably 99% of the single player games I buy and don't buy a game unless I plan on beating it, otherwise its just a waste of money.  I spent a couple weeks with RE4 as the main game I was playing (I often only play 4-5 hours of games a week) and made it pretty far into the game, but the entire time I was playing it was more an act of frustration with the controls then actually enjoying the game.  I hate playing FPS/TPS games on consoles, the controls are so slow and innaccurate compared to a mouse that it just drives me nuts, so the fact that I made it as far as I did into RE4 shows me how good the game is.  This is why I have such high hopes for FPS games on the Wii, I'm hoping its the first console that I actually enjoy them on.  If I enjoy MP3 (and I expect that I will) then I probably will pick up RE4 for the Wii.

[ahofle]

The GC's first Metriod is only about $6.00 used where i am and so i'll be trying that out before i buy the Wii's version.

 I don't know why but MP was just one of those GC games i never bothered to try and i can see that being the same if the cube's MP does not impress and make me want to get the Wii's MP. Although it's not fair to compare these two games that share the same name, the GC version will make up my mind on the franchise.

Yeah, I picked up the GC version mainly because it's so highly rated and people speak of it as one of the best games ever made.  I've played some pretty incredible PC FPS games over the years (Quake 2, Deus Ex, Half Life, Battlezone, Unreal 2, Tron 2.0 come to mind) and I only hope this one is even close to that caliber as well.  I also still need to try RE4.  The wii controller at least seems like it can potentially match what a mouse/keyboard control combo offer as opposed to an analog thumb stick.

[notaburger]

a word to the wise to those purchasing the mp games expecting a fps
yes, it technically IS a first person shooter but it has lots of puzzles and platforming too
think zelda puzzles, you'll be working one and you didn't even know it

they also tend to make you retrace your steps
so, it even has a little bit of a dungeon crawler feel too

i'm just saying, YES you will shoot a lot of stuff, but don't expect a run and gun game like doom or halo

so, those of you who don't like playing fps games on consoles may still want to give it a go

[Tahnok]

Why would I have no intention of beating the game?  I beat probably 99% of the single player games I buy and don't buy a game unless I plan on beating it, otherwise its just a waste of money.  I spent a couple weeks with RE4 as the main game I was playing (I often only play 4-5 hours of games a week) and made it pretty far into the game, but the entire time I was playing it was more an act of frustration with the controls then actually enjoying the game.  I hate playing FPS/TPS games on consoles, the controls are so slow and innaccurate compared to a mouse that it just drives me nuts, so the fact that I made it as far as I did into RE4 shows me how good the game is.  This is why I have such high hopes for FPS games on the Wii, I'm hoping its the first console that I actually enjoy them on.  If I enjoy MP3 (and I expect that I will) then I probably will pick up RE4 for the Wii.

I guess the way you were talking in this thread and others made me assume that you were no longer playing it. The point stands though, even if it can't be directly related to you.

[AtomSmasher]

I guess the way you were talking in this thread and others made me assume that you were no longer playing it. The point stands though, even if it can't be directly related to you.

Ah, I see what you meant and I am no longer playing the gamecube version (first single player game in a long time that I've bought and didn't finish), but I do eventually plan to play it again on the Wii or PC.  I didn't realize the gamecube version had a bunch of extras when you beat the game, which is why I didn't think that was specifically what you meant.

Back on topic, I just finished Bioshock (great game btw), so I'll probably start playing MP3 in the next day or two.  I'll be sure to share my opinions of it as someone who has never liked an FPS on a console.  I really hope I like it, but following Bioshock is kind of like following the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan Show, so it better be pretty fantasic.   

[Tahnok]

I guess the way you were talking in this thread and others made me assume that you were no longer playing it. The point stands though, even if it can't be directly related to you.

Ah, I see what you meant and I am no longer playing the gamecube version (first single player game in a long time that I've bought and didn't finish), but I do eventually plan to play it again on the Wii or PC.  I didn't realize the gamecube version had a bunch of extras when you beat the game, which is why I didn't think that was specifically what you meant.
[...]

While I wish I could claim that, no actually, I was referring to the wii version. The gamecube version doesn't have much when you finish it, just a few little extras like new guns and costumes. The wii version on the other hand has a bunch of side quests that are different than the main game.

[AtomSmasher]

I had some time today to play MP3, so I'm about 2 hours into the game now.  It took quite a while to get the hang of the control scheme and I'm still not that great at it, but it is vastly superior to a gamepad.  I had to change the default controls a little by switching fire to the trigger button and bumped the sensitivity up to advanced, and now I really like the controls.  It's not quite as accurate as a mouse (I wasn't expecting it to be), but its close enough for it to be a lot of fun.  My only real complaints are how slow it is to turn around, the very limited verticle angle your restricted to, and the color of the crosshair makes it difficult to see at times.  Overall I am very happy with the controls, which is something I've never said about a console FPS before.

[shmokes]

It seems pretty bizarre that they didn't just make the "advanced" control scheme the default control scheme.  For months and months, long before the release of the game, reviewers were saying that the controls were really good if they were set to advanced.  Pretty much every review I've read of the game post release says that before you do anything, you should set it to advanced.  They don't tell you to try the different options out and see what works best.  They say to just set it to advanced right off the bat and go from there.

If it's really that much better, why would Retro not have made it the default (or even the only) option?

[lcddream]

probably because it's for people who have a little more experience with a computer shooter. if they set advanced as default i think it would turn people off with how sensitive it is....especially if they weren't aware of how to change it, as well as being more familiar with the previous primes.

a majority of the people playing games aren't as tuned into the gaming scene as we might be, and are not necessarily aware of all the nuances.

[AtomSmasher]

It seems pretty bizarre that they didn't just make the "advanced" control scheme the default control scheme.  For months and months, long before the release of the game, reviewers were saying that the controls were really good if they were set to advanced.  Pretty much every review I've read of the game post release says that before you do anything, you should set it to advanced.  They don't tell you to try the different options out and see what works best.  They say to just set it to advanced right off the bat and go from there.

If it's really that much better, why would Retro not have made it the default (or even the only) option?

Heh, I didn't read too many previews on the game so I never read that.  I actually played the first hour of the game with the default settings, then decided to try the advanced setting to see if it improved things at all, and it did.

[shmokes]

I've never played it, so I can only speak from what I've read, but I'm under the impression that EVERYONE should just use the advanced setting and forget that anything else exists.  I know that reviews are written by hardcore gamers, and maybe they just aren't sensitive to the learning curve . . . maybe some of the players here could comment on it.  Do you people who have the game think that more casual gamers would have a more difficult time with the advanced mode than the default?

[notaburger]

well, i didn't even know such an option existed
i've been using the default and am fine with it
i'll give it a whirl tonight to see how it changes things up
i wouldn't go on record saying that the default scheme is for beginners (as compared to wii sports)
it requires quite a bit of hand eye coordination

this "advanced" option frightens me a little
but it'll have to wait until after dave and busters
it's my birthday tonight

 

booze and arcades..........genius

[lcddream]

Do you people who have the game think that more casual gamers would have a more difficult time with the advanced mode than the default?

Yes. I am not a casual gamer and it took a little while to get used to it. After awhile it gets very close to keyboard and mouse. But that is just the thing, I know alot of casual gamers who say things like it makes me dizzy after trying to play an fps on the computer...

Whatever...point is the controls in MP3 are pretty much ground breaking for a console. Play it and love it.