R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family

[ChadTower]

It's possible he was trying to find a way to pin the boy's death on his wife.  Or maybe he was just so panicked that he was trying to buy himself time, aware that if he didn't tell the WWE something they would come looking for him that much sooner.

[shardian]

So if he wouldn't have accidently killed his wife and succesfully killed his kid, everything would have been ok?  His future wouldn't have been toast if he just killed his kid, and not his wife??  WTF??

I think you're completely reaching on the whole thing considering you don't know the Benoits and weren't in their house for the last few moths.

It is a very plausible theory. When people get into an altered state of mind, their sense of reality is very skewed. He could very easily believed he would have been looked at as a compassionate man, and that his wife just didn't understand quite yet but if he tied her up for a while she would come around. Once reality starts conflicting with their altered dream of reality, things get worse.

My dad is bi-polar, and when he quits taking his psychiatric medicine because he "doesn't think he needs it", he has a mental breakdown along with psychotic episodes. Without going into details, I have looked a crazy person in the eyes and can tell you for a fact that they TRULY BELIEVE without a doubt what they are thinking - no matter how implausible the thought or how much proof you show them.

The reason I bring this up is that it is becoming apparent that Benoit was under ALOT of stress, depression was setting in, he was being treated for low testosterone levels. All it takes is one of these psychotic episodes to destroy everything in a family. Earlier this year, the husband in a couple whom I went to High school with had an "episode" and shot his wife in the head. He tried to kill his 1 year old son too as a police officer ran into the house to grab the child. He then shot himself. This Benoit story is very similar. Cases like this are the main reasons I keep my family away from my dad.

[CCM]

Hey, I never said it was a good plan.  Maybe he planned to pin the boy's death on the wife.

If you think I'm reaching so hard, do you have a better theory? 

No I don't have a better theory, I didn't know Chris Benoit or his wife, I'm not an investigator, and I haven't been to the crime scene.

All I'm saying is that we can all sit here and pull theories out of our asses, but the truth is we will probably never know what he was thinking or what made him snap.

[TadChower]

Might want to alter the thread title a bit.

All I can say is this , and I still hold true to my original post. RIP Rabid Wolverine & Family. 

I have for you all , what about the old saying of walking a mile in a man's shoes before he is judged? Have any of you even the slightest idea as to the stresses of being a performer? What about living out of a suitcase for 300 days out of the year? Top that with constantly being in pain over the "fake" moves you were hit with the night before. We all know it's predetermined , but the slams and falls are real, and they hurt like a S.O.B.!

This is usually where the drug addiction and steroids come into play. Pain killers to numb aches , and steroids to maintain your physique. Your body is your wallet ,and the better you look in this business now, the more you'll make. It's not like the older days of having guys like Bundy, Kamala, or any other larger man, this all about "build".

Still , while I don't condone what Benoit did , it certainly is understandable. Stack that with family problems, and it's a total recipe for bad things to come.

We'll miss you Chris. May God have mercy on your soul!

[ChadTower]

All I'm saying is that we can all sit here and pull theories out of our asses, but the truth is we will probably never know what he was thinking or what made him snap.

These theories aren't being pulled out of asses.  The theories being presented here by multiple people are the result of following the story, critical thought, and independent research.  What part of that process comes out of one's ass?   Maybe you don't want to be bothered to think but there are people here who do.

[shardian]

If you want theories pulled out of asses, go to P&R. There are plenty to spare there.

[(+_+)]

Speaking of steroids. I can say with certainty that Steroids isn't good for you mental health. I once saw a guy at the gym, who I new for a fact took steroids, (because he bragged about it and was abnormally huge) throw a 45 pound plate through the air in a sudden fit of rage. I was about 20 feet away from the guy using another bench press and just about to do another set of 10 with 500+ pounds. Ok so I exagerate and try to embellish my stories. Anyways the plate flew through the air and in my professional opinion would have killed somebody quite easily had it struck them in the head. I was appalled by the moron's complete stupidy. I had to figure out what had gone wrong and caused him such aggravation and realized that it was something as simple as a pinched finger. You can just imagine if it was something a little more serious. 

[TadChower]

Speaking of steroids. I can say with certainty that Steroids isn't good for you mental health. I once saw a guy at the gym, who I new for a fact took steroids, (because he bragged about it and was abnormally huge) throw a 45 pound plate through the air in a sudden fit of rage. I was about 20 feet away from the guy using another bench press and just about to do another set of 10 with 500+ pounds. Ok so I exagerate and try to embellish my stories. Anyways the plate flew through the air and in my professional opinion would have killed somebody quite easily had it struck them in the head. I was appalled by the moron's complete stupidy. I had to figure out what had gone wrong and caused him such aggravation and realized that it was something as simple as a pinched finger. You can just imagine if it was something a little more serious. 

That's nothing! I was once walking home from the store and this guy drove past me like a bat out of hell , I mean superfast. Turns out he hit the telephone pole a few miles up , and he was drunk off his @ss.

Point being , alcohol can make someone an @ss just as much as steroids. Steroids in moderation , I see no problem with. Comparable to those who find no problem with just one beer!

[shardian]

That's nothing! I was once walking home from the store and this guy drove past me like a bat out of hell , I mean superfast. Turns out he hit the telephone pole a few miles up , and he was drunk off his @ss.

Point being , alcohol can make someone an @ss just as much as steroids. Steroids in moderation , I see no problem with. Comparable to those who find no problem with just one beer!

Alcohol is a depressant that lowers your inhibitions - it doesn't alter your perception of reality. However, alcohol in combination with any drug is a bad, bad, combination. Odds are a few were knocked back over that weekend.

[ChadTower]

Steroids certainly can have all sorts of negative effects on the mind.  I've known a lot of guys on them over the years.  I wouldn't say the mental effects are any more severe than any other drug, just more immediately hard to deal with, because they make someone stronger and in your face. 

I will say, as to roid rage, I've never seen an episode of roid rage from a guy who wasn't already an ---uvula--- prone to temper problems.  Steroids don't create rage, they magnify it.  Regular even keeled guys don't go around putting fists through walls on steroids.

sharidan - alcohol seriously inhibits judgment - that can be a form of altered perception.  Drunk people think they can drive, right? 

I can almost guarantee you Benoit didn't drink.  Guys with long term 4% bodyfat don't drink.  Ever.  They can't be both.

[TadChower]

Chad ::

If I remember reading correctly , somewhere on BYOAC , some time ago you were actually in the business. Either that , or you have contacts, friends , or whatever that in are in the know.

My point is , and I'm reading all of yours(post) with interest , is that many of the members here just have no idea the lifestyle a wrestler has , or the daily obstacles they face. And unlike other sports where off seasons come and go , wrestlers subject themselves to abuse ALL YEAR LONG!

[ChadTower]

Yes, very tangentially, and my participation was years back.  But I have known a lot of guys that live that life.  The demands at the WWE level are off the charts and most people could never handle it.  It makes pretty much anything else look like cake in comparison. 

Personally, I don't really care, though, as it is a chosen lifestyle with the demands and toll known beforehand.  That's the mindset most of these guys have... sure, it's beyond comprehension for most people, but it's a choice to do this and a guy can leave at any point.  Wrestlers are big on personal accountability because their ethic and their rep is everything in their profession.

[TadChower]

From the WWE homepage, there's currently a link with McMahon on this morning's TODAY show.

I love how the media is so persistent on harping the steroid abuse. They pick one little speck from the tragedy, and try building a mountain from it. Gotta love the news.

  To McMahon for keeping his composure during the bashing. I was hoping he would turn it around and do a Bob Costas on her.

[ChadTower]

It wouldn't be very smart to respond to "so did steroids make him kill" with being aggressive and in her face.  That would just prove her point to most people. 

What I'm not surprised by is the complete lack of peers coming out and making excuses for him the way the fans are... no wrestlers are saying "it's the schedule, it's the stress, it's the lifestyle".  That right there should tell you how they feel about it.  He did it and they hold him accountable, not the lifestyle.

[shardian]

Steroids certainly can have all sorts of negative effects on the mind.  I've known a lot of guys on them over the years.  I wouldn't say the mental effects are any more severe than any other drug, just more immediately hard to deal with, because they make someone stronger and in your face. 

I will say, as to roid rage, I've never seen an episode of roid rage from a guy who wasn't already an ---uvula--- prone to temper problems.  Steroids don't create rage, they magnify it.  Regular even keeled guys don't go around putting fists through walls on steroids.

sharidan - alcohol seriously inhibits judgment - that can be a form of altered perception.  Drunk people think they can drive, right? 

I can almost guarantee you Benoit didn't drink.  Guys with long term 4% bodyfat don't drink.  Ever.  They can't be both.

When your body is overloaded with testosterone, you BECOME a temperamental ---uvula---. If you haven't seen an even keeled guy have a roid rage, then he isn't far enough into it.

People who drink and drive think they can drive drunk whether they are lit, or chatting at the lunch table. Their decision has NOTHING to do with being drunk - it comes from trying it one time scared crapless, then realizing "it wasn't that bad-I can handle it" You can handle anything...until something goes wrong.

As to Benoit, I thought he was one of the good guys in wrestling. For a long time, I honestly believed him when he described his workout and diet regimin that he was not a steroid user. Guess that was wrong. And WTF about not drinking because he has "long term 4% body fat". I know lots of skinny people who put 'em back with the best of them. I know girls who are 100lbs that can drink men under the table.
Just after the comment about pulling theories from asses, you go and pull several.

[CCM]

I can almost guarantee you Benoit didn't drink.  Guys with long term 4% bodyfat don't drink.  Ever.  They can't be both.

Benoit had been arrested for DUI.... 

[ChadTower]

If drunk people could make proper decisions you wouldn't see so many alcohol related accidents.  On the road, in the home, boats, trees, they happen constantly.

Being temperamental is not a rage.  Roid rage is a specific thing - complete loss of control to the point that you will hurt and destroy anything in your vicinity.  It's not being a dick because you don't feel good that day.  I've seen it happen many times.  All were guys that were already prone to temper problems.  I've seen many nice regular type guys juiced that had never had a roid rage episode. 

Those 100lb people you mention with high metabolisms?  They're not built like Chris Benoit.  Their metabolisms would never allow it.  Can't be both, man.  Can't be 4% bodyfat, traps to the ears, and a drinker.  Doesn't happen.  Guys like that live off steamed chicken and plain baked potatoes for every meal.

[ChadTower]

Benoit had been arrested for DUI.... 

Source?  That would be pretty out of character for someone with that build over long period of time.  Unless it wasn't alcohol, I guess.  DUI isn't always alcohol.

[CCM]

There are reports that there was an empty wine bottle found in the room where Benoit hung himself.  I'm not saying he was an alcoholic or drank all the time, but with the DUI and wine bottle, he definitely did some drinking...

[CCM]

Benoit had been arrested for DUI.... 

Source?  That would be pretty out of character for someone with that build over long period of time.  Unless it wasn't alcohol, I guess.  DUI isn't always alcohol.

Chris Benoit's only other known brush with the legal system occurred in September 1998, when Peachtree City police arrested him on a DUI charge.

here's the full article..

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/26/0627metbenoit.html

[ChadTower]

Hrm.  Not really enough on its own, especially with it being the only arrest on record.  Toxicology reports will include blood alcohol level for sure.  If there were a wine bottle there, perhaps he was drinking that weekend and it didn't mix well with anything else.  Definitely not a habit, though, not with that bodyfat and musculature.  Too many calories in alcohol and he wasn't a 280lb guy with calories to spare.

[CCM]

Crash Holly was a pretty small guy and he was an alcoholic.   I believe that Jeff Hardy had alcohol problems and he's not very big.  I read articles that claimed Test was a big abuser of alcohol, admittedly he is much bigger that the others.

[TadChower]

In all fairness CCM , the guys you mentioned aren't even close to being in thier 40's , which Benoit had just turned.

Something happens to the body after about 30-35. Things slow down, we don't produce a lot of the chemicals that keep us in shape, and most people end up developing the bulge. This was nowhere to be found on Benoit.

I challenge any of you to look the way Benoit did when you reach 40.  That body , although talks of steroid abuse run rampant, was a work of total commitment , and self-discipline , to say the very least.

[CCM]

I'm not saying that Benoit was an alcoholic, just that there may be a history of some level of alcohol use.

[ChadTower]

Crash Holly was a pretty small guy and he was an alcoholic.   I believe that Jeff Hardy had alcohol problems and he's not very big.  I read articles that claimed Test was a big abuser of alcohol, admittedly he is much bigger that the others.

Neither guy had anywhere near the physique that Benoit had.  Not even close.  The alcohol issue is all about Benoit's constant low bodyfat.  Jeff Hardy is a doughboy and always has been.

Here's an interesting twist:

Just past midnight on Monday morning, a Wikipedia post on Chris Benoit's bio page said that he missed Sunday's PPV because he killed his wife, Nancy. Authorities didn't find the bodies of the Benoit family until over 14 hours later.

WK Analysis: PWTorch has received numerous emails about this over the past few days as it has become an Internet conspiracy theory launching point - and rightfully so. But because Wikipedia can be easily updated and changed by anyone, and since a prankster could have posted speculation at that time, it wasn't considered highly newsworthy. However, Fox News has now reported that the post originated from Stamford, Conn. That is just enough to make this a serious reason to wonder who knew what and when.

[shardian]

Here's an interesting twist:

Just past midnight on Monday morning, a Wikipedia post on Chris Benoit's bio page said that he missed Sunday's PPV because he killed his wife, Nancy. Authorities didn't find the bodies of the Benoit family until over 14 hours later.

WK Analysis: PWTorch has received numerous emails about this over the past few days as it has become an Internet conspiracy theory launching point - and rightfully so. But because Wikipedia can be easily updated and changed by anyone, and since a prankster could have posted speculation at that time, it wasn't considered highly newsworthy. However, Fox News has now reported that the post originated from Stamford, Conn. That is just enough to make this a serious reason to wonder who knew what and when.

I'd question the integrity of wikipedia's security before I started a conspiracy theory on that. Is it possible for a hacker to fake a timestamp on an entry?

[ChadTower]

I suppose anything is possible and this definitely has enough media attention to be a very viable hacker target.  The reports aren't specifying if anyone actually saw it in that 14 hour window.  Wikipedia get whacked by people with dumb prank info all the time.

[shardian]

Now foxnews is trying to link the death of Sherri Martel to Benoit.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287182,00.html

[ChadTower]

It's about time someone mentioned Kevin Sullivan.

I say the were all killed by Leia Meow.

[shardian]

It's about time someone mentioned Kevin Sullivan.

His name has come to mind on more than one occasion since this came out. However, I don't think they had THAT bad of blood. I mean the guy booked his own wife in an affair, ordered her and Benoit to be seen in public holding hands, share a hotel room. The way that went I get the feeling he wanted the divorce to happen and this gave him an excuse to keep from giving her half of everything.

[ChadTower]

Kevin Sullivan isn't man enough to be violent to Chris Benoit. 

[ChadTower]

The IP source has been traced to Stamford, Conn., as confirmed by Wikipedia's spokesperson. However, it has also been ruled out at the IP address has any connection to WWE's headquarters or servers they use.

Also, the IP address used has been linked to previous vile sexual, anti-gay, and racist prank posts on Wikipedia in the past related to Stacy Keibler, The Sopranos, and Ron Artest. That IP address has also been linked to a highly offensive post on Chavo Guerrero's Wikipedia page.

[ChadTower]

Although changes traced to this IP address had also been involved in adding graphic anti-black, anti-gay, and other vile posts, this is the only instance where a user from this IP address had actually erased something negative - and it happened to be Chavo Guerrero's page. Because Chavo, sources tell PWTorch, was one of the two people receiving text messages from Benoit before he killed himself, the tie-in becomes more intriguing. It appears that if the person, perhaps from Stamford, knew Chavo and erased bad info at his request could have also been privy to inside info about Nancy's well-being and decided to stir some trouble, as he had on various other subjects such as Ron Artest and The Sopranos.

[RTSDaddy2]

And here I said I was staying out of this....

What still troubles me is the lack of closure to any of this.  I have more or less come to grips with the fact that this was a very troubled person, who either a) went nuts or b) led two entirely different lives.

What I'd love to have now is a reason.  It makes no sense.  A family has lost a son, daughter in law, and a grandson.  Another family has lost a daughter, a son-in-law,  and a grandson.  Several of the WWE superstars apparently lost a friend...at least a co-worker.  And no one really knows why.  This, I suppose, is why I found myself so compassionate at the beginning of the week, when it was unknown it was a murder suicide and even for a while afterward.  Now I'm just numb to it,  especially with people now wondering if all this ties in to Sheri Martel's death.

There's just no other way to put it - the whole mess is just plain crazy.

[ChadTower]

Closure is the one thing suicide never provides.

[thehammer12]

There are also reports that the sons body was found with needle wholes in his arm, a rumor was that he was being a injected with growth hormones, at the age of 7 that is dicked up....Chicago tribune and suntimes posted the soon to be confirmed rumor.

[ChadTower]

Read the thread... kids with Fragile X and other growth disorders are given prescriptions of HGH sometimes.  You'd think someone so familiar with steroids and how to take them would have found better injection spots than a kid's forearm.

[ChadTower]

Obviously I'm still closely following this.

I wonder how much Eddie Guerrero's absence had to do with this.  His sudden passing was probably very hard on Benoit... they had been very close for a very long time.

[crashwg]

By R.I.P., you mean Rot In Pieces when directed at the asshat posing as a man who murdered an innocent child, right Mr.Sunshine?

There is absolutely, ABSOLUTELY, no excuses someone can come up with to justify that.< That is a huge period.


P.S.
I find it disgusting of you, Mr.Sunshine, that you did not change the title of this thread.

[TadChower]

I find it disgusting of you, Mr.Sunshine, that you did not change the title of this thread.

Oh ya do? Gee , that's  - that's too bad. Really! 

Not that I owe you an explanation , but I'm willing you bet you've been a fan all you're life , you marked out whenever Benoit would walk the aisle , and now that he's committed this horrendous crime , you're willing to turn your back on him. Close?

I told you , I feel for everyone involved in this tragedy, even Chris. I don't expect you to understand that , not someone who's always been on the outside looking in.