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R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« on: June 25, 2007, 07:37:28 pm »
I'm sad to report for those of you into the world of wrestling , that Chris Benoit & family have been found dead. While police are still investigating , this is a HUGE shock to the wrestling community.

My hearts and prayers go out to the relatives.

 :'(

edit:http://www.wwe.com

It's true, and quite sad! Now is the time to FULLY drop the silly McMahon angle.
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007, 07:40:40 pm »
I'm sad to report for those of you into the world of wrestling , that Chris Benoit & family have been found dead. While police are still investigating , this is a HUGE shock to the wrestling community.

My hearts and prayers go out to the relatives.

 :'(

What the ???  Linkage please.  Nothing on google.
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007, 08:23:54 pm »

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html

He flew home yesterday and missed the PPV (he was going to win the ECW title) because of what was called a "family emergency"... well who flies home right before their family is killed?  That's ominous.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2007, 08:09:51 am »
I don't follow wrestling, but I've heard about this story. Chad, looks like you were on to something.

Tragic.

"WAGA, a FOX-owned and operated television station in Atlanta, reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and 7-year-old son over the weekend, then himself on Monday." http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=184841074

But there's definitely more to the story:

"Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard is quoted in the Atlanta Journal Constition as saying "The details when they come out are going to prove a little bizarre." http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29043
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2007, 08:15:52 am »

At the time I was hoping he went home to protect them.  It doesn't appear that way now.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2007, 08:20:30 am »
The police here in GA are now saying that while it is being investigated as homicides, they believe it was a murder-suicide within the home...that Chris killed Nancy and his son over the weekend, then himself yesterday.

My heart has been breaking in half since 8 PM last night when I got the news.  I refuse to believe the report until the police confirm it.  This just cannot be the Benoit I knew from watching him...the guy loved his family too much.  Something in him had to have snapped, big time.

To the positive, if there is any, for those that didn't see it, Mr. McMahon took center ring last night and said that the "storyline was to have continued the death of my character, Mr. McMahon...in reality, Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy and son are dead."   Sports entertainment takes a LOT of knocks from the press....but I felt this was WWE showing enormous personal character to not only ditch the storyline (which we all knew was horse :censored: anyway) but to cancel last night's show entirely.

If there's anyone I feel sorry for in that organization, it would be Chavo Guerrero.  He lost Eddie two years ago (an uncle) in a sudden death, and now Chris ( a close family member).  He looked like he was crumbling to pieces last night.

As for myself, again I've just been a wreck.  I've been a wrestling fan since I was 6, watching with my grandmother, so I've been a Benoit fan a long, long time.   He was my hero from the time he reached WCW...the guy was just a gifted in-ring performer, the best of my generation.  Nancy, of course, we all knew as the manager "Woman," so I knew of her actions out of the ring.  My heart just breaks for both families and the kids.

Like I said, I will not believe the reports until confirmed....and no matter what, I pray they all rest in peace.  They will be missed.   :'(


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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2007, 08:42:32 am »
That's a sad story. I have always liked Chris Benoit. I admired his work ethic and his passion. R.I.P.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 08:45:41 am »
I've seen a report that the wife killed the son and called Chris saying that he had to come home immediately.  When he got home, he flipped out and killed her and himself.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007, 08:50:52 am »
I've seen a report that the wife killed the son and called Chris saying that he had to come home immediately.  When he got home, he flipped out and killed her and himself.

Yeah , despite conflicting reports , that's the theory I'm going with also. There were also talks of Chris & Nancy having a rocky marriage as of late. Plus the fact, I just don't vision Benoit taking the life of a child.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2007, 09:01:45 am »
Dude, get a grip on your fandom here.  These guys are regular people like any of us.  They also have a tendency to be seriously drug addicted, road exhausted, and in constant physical pain.  Add in the chance of him coming home to something like another guy in his bed and a roid rage incident is very plausible.

Also don't forget his wife was a long time wrestling talent as well and known to be wonked in the head. 

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An autopsy will be performed on Chris, Nancy, and Daniel this morning, with the results to follow possibly as early as tonight. The investigators that were interviewed for the AP article on the circumstances of the death did not tell the condition of the bodies or possible cause of death, but the police story being told to sources is that Nancy was killed first on Saturday, then Daniel on Sunday, and then Benoit killed himself on Monday after sending the "curious text messages" to his inner circle of friends in WWE. The situation is being handled as a homicide and WWE has announced it as "double murder-suicide".

If true that chucks MikeQ's suggestion out the window.  It also chucks a roid rage incident out the window as they don't last for days.
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2007, 09:13:01 am »
Yeah , I hear ya Chad. It's still a big shock to the wrestling world,fan or not.  :'(

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2007, 09:16:37 am »
has this hit national news yet?

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2007, 09:18:02 am »

All over the place in the mainstream media, especially in Georgia.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2007, 09:28:56 am »
I guess it did
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424899/

unbelievable!!! I thought this was just a rumor. If he did kill his wife and kid, I have no empathy for him. Although I suppose I will reserve judgement until more details surface. I will say this, there shouldn't be any more tributes for Chris Benoit until everyone knows the facts.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2007, 09:31:29 am »
I guess it did
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424899/

unbelievable!!! I thought this was just a rumor. If he did kill his wife and kid, I have no empathy for him. Although I suppose I will reserve judgement until more details surface. I will say this, there shouldn't be any more tributes for Chris Benoit until everyone knows the facts.

Maybe you should have reserved comment on judgement too. ::)

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2007, 09:34:53 am »

Let's just say this... it's very rare for the Police to say something like "murder suicide" this early unless they're pretty certain that is the case.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2007, 09:53:42 am »
I guess it did
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424899/

unbelievable!!! I thought this was just a rumor. If he did kill his wife and kid, I have no empathy for him. Although I suppose I will reserve judgement until more details surface. I will say this, there shouldn't be any more tributes for Chris Benoit until everyone knows the facts.

Maybe you should have reserved comment on judgement too. ::)

Nah, I think I would rather voice my opinion, that is if its ok with you  ::)

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2007, 10:01:27 am »
Man, wrestling has become a strange, strange empire. When I was a kid, it seemed innocent and fun. Andre' the Giant, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, Hulk Hogan.
Now, from what I've gathered from various wrestling fans site (following this latest Benoit story)...it seems like people couldn't tell (for a long time) whether this was a "storyline" or whether it was a real double-murder/Suicide.

WTF?? How far gone has the wrestling industry gotten where you could mistake a double-murder/suicide as part of the "entertainment"? If even for a nanosecond?

I feel for the fans on this, since it seems like this Benoit guy going on a murderous rampage (if the preliminary reports are accurate) is blowing their minds. But, man, shouldn't they have taken a step back and looked at where this industry has led them?

Maybe this story will be the catalyst for positive change. It just seems to have gotten so damn violent.



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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2007, 10:09:18 am »
Man, wrestling has become a strange, strange empire. When I was a kid, it seemed innocent and fun. Andre' the Giant, "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, Hulk Hogan.
Now, from what I've gathered from various wrestling fans site (following this latest Benoit story)...it seems like people couldn't tell (for a long time) whether this was a "storyline" or whether it was a real double-murder/Suicide.

WTF?? How far gone has the wrestling industry gotten where you could mistake a double-murder/suicide as part of the "entertainment"? If even for a nanosecond?

I feel for the fans on this, since it seems like this Benoit guy going on a murderous rampage (if the preliminary reports are accurate) is blowing their minds. But, man, shouldn't they have taken a step back and looked at where this industry has led them?

Maybe this story will be the catalyst for positive change. It just seems to have gotten so damn violent.




WWE was already getting bad press for having a storyline with Vince McMahon being "killed" when his limo blew up. I don't watch wrestling any more, but I saw some ad on a website that said something about Vince McMahon being dead and had to go check out WWE.com to see if it was true. So, with that already in the air alot of people at first thought it was a publicity stunt. Vince McMahon cam out last night and made a statement and ended the dead plotline.


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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2007, 10:12:59 am »

Wrestling was always like this, the massive amounts of money in it over the last ten years have just magnified the strangeness.  The weird incidents didn't get much press before that because they were "just rasslers" and there wasn't enough money in the industry for it to matter.


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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2007, 10:23:53 am »
But, again, as an "outsider" to this entertainment medium, it just seems to me that it's being billed as "wholesome family entertainment"...
I know wrestling, of this sort, is born more out of the carny tradition, as opposed to "sport" wrestling, but it seems to me that the lines have been severely blurred with today's modern format.

And don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of  "sideshow" Americana, but every time I've caught a glimpse of wrestling lately...I've been sorta' appalled.
Like one time I turned to a WWE show, or something, on television...only to glimpse McMahon's son (I guess) get his face pushed into his father's naked and exposed ass (in front of millions of families; Kids, etc) . Seriously. WTF?   ???

(and not to mention the women's outfits. I'm all for soft-core porn, but as "family entertainment"?)  Anyhow...sorry if anyone feels that this is a derail. I'm just fascinated by how bizarre wrestling seem to be now. And how damn popular it is, as well.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2007, 10:27:15 am »
Wrestling was always like this, the massive amounts of money in it over the last ten years have just magnified the strangeness.  The weird incidents didn't get much press before that because they were "just rasslers" and there wasn't enough money in the industry for it to matter.

Speaking of money, some one on FARK made a good point:

"If the WWE called the police after getting weird text messages that led them to suspect something bad had happened, only to go ahead and run a tribute show when they had to be pretty darn sure that it was a murder/suicide and he'd killed his family, well, then they truly are soulless money grubbers."

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2007, 10:31:51 am »
But, again, as an "outsider" to this entertainment medium, it just seems to me that it's being billed as "wholesome family entertainment"...

WWE is not billed as "wholesome family entertainment" and has not been billed that way for many years now.  It is rated appropriately by the TV ratings bodies.  Raw is 9-11pm monday night and the tamer Smackdown is 8-10pm friday night.

They decided to run the tribute show before that detail was out.  You can't just reverse live television on the fly.  Remember, they had three hours of live television to replace with only a couple of hours' notice.  It will turn out to be embarrassing but doing much of anything else was damn near impossible.  They are very unique in the fact that they run a weekly live two hour program with very little form restriction on it.  Sometimes it gets weird as a result.


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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2007, 10:39:12 am »
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WWE is not billed as "wholesome family entertainment" and has not been billed that way for many years now.  It is rated appropriately by the TV ratings bodies.  Raw is 9-11pm monday night and the tamer Smackdown is 8-10pm friday night.

Then maybe I'm just getting that feeling from the people who watch this stuff. I mean, I see kids all over the arenas (on TV), and there's WWE toys in every store, and parents feel it's perfectly fine to share in this "sport" as a family.
  :dunno

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2007, 10:42:53 am »
Watching Triple H dressed as Kane as he performed necrophilia on Katie Vick's "body" has turned me off of pro wrestling since.   :badmood:

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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2007, 10:43:51 am »
Speaking of money, some one on FARK made a good point:

"If the WWE called the police after getting weird text messages that led them to suspect something bad had happened, only to go ahead and run a tribute show when they had to be pretty darn sure that it was a murder/suicide and he'd killed his family, well, then they truly are soulless money grubbers."

Well they cancelled the show and consequently have to refund all of the tickets. Not to mention that all of them in the business were friends with Chris and his family. Given the situation at hand, they did what  was appropriate.

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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2007, 10:46:31 am »
Well they cancelled the show and consequently have to refund all of the tickets. Not to mention that all of them in the business were friends with Chris and his family. Given the situation at hand, they did what  was appropriate.

Yeah. Sounds like they had a crappy hand to deal with. Wouldn't want to be Vince right now.

Watching Triple H dressed as Kane as he performed necrophilia on Katie Vick's "body" has turned me off of pro wrestling since.

W.......T..........F?    :dizzy:

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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2007, 10:48:36 am »

Watching Triple H dressed as Kane as he performed necrophilia on Katie Vick's "body" has turned me off of pro wrestling since.

W.......T..........F?    :dizzy:
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2007, 10:51:38 am »
Well they cancelled the show and consequently have to refund all of the tickets. Not to mention that all of them in the business were friends with Chris and his family. Given the situation at hand, they did what  was appropriate.

They don't have to refund the tickets, they can give out tickets to a subsequent event if they want.

Mr C, you know as well as I do that no one can prevent parents from exposing their kids to inappropriate stuff.  The toys do make it a bit ambiguous, I agree on that, but in general Raw is the adult brand and Smackdown is the "family" brand with tamer content on regular network television.  Kids shouldn't be watching Raw.  I don't let my kids watch Raw and I take them to live (non WWE) events regularly.  Hell my kids were *on* TNA Impact twice clearly visible in the front center.  It's all about knowing the product and exposing them only the appropriate stuff, same as any other medium.

HHH and the corpse thing was definitely in bad taste and they paid for it.  Ratings went down and they got the expected sponsor/viewer backlash. 


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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2007, 10:59:47 am »
I'm not advocating censorship or anything, and Chad, it seems like you are being responsible in how you introduce this into your family, even though I think it's a double-edge sword, since your kids are bound to actively seek out RAW material, as they are being brought up as fans of wrestling and the characters overlap (don't they?).

But it certainly seems like there are millions of other parents, who are extremely irresponsible and misguided when it comes to this "sport". And I guess I'm a bit annoyed by the industry's violence peddling over these blurred lines.

I remember the day when the biggest upcoming scandalous event in wrestling was when Hulk Hogan promised to try to bodyslam Andre' the Giant. 

Btw, I was THERE! Wrestlemania III!  :D
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #30 on: June 26, 2007, 11:01:30 am »
Of course the worst "bad taste" moment in wrestling was in WCW when sting "fell" from the rafters and busted thru the ring (it was a dummy). They did this right after Owen Wilson DID fall to his death in the WWF. People in the audience were crying and screaming. That was pathetic.

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« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2007, 11:11:42 am »
Mr Curmudgeon is here? P&R here we come  ;D

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« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2007, 11:23:34 am »
Naw. I'm behaving. People are really, genuinely upset about this and I can empathize.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2007, 11:38:50 am »
Of course the worst "bad taste" moment in wrestling was in WCW when sting "fell" from the rafters and busted thru the ring (it was a dummy). They did this right after Owen Wilson DID fall to his death in the WWF. People in the audience were crying and screaming. That was pathetic.

Erm?  I don't remember that and Owen Wilson is an actor.  Owen Hart is the guy who fell from the rafters.

Sting had been using that rope based entrance for a long time but I certainly don't remember anyone anywhere in the wrestling industry mocking Owen Hart's death, especially given that one of WCW's highest paid stars was Owen's brother.

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There were real life major incidents among pro wrestlers back then too, they just didn't get media attention.  Wrestlers died young regularly back then as well.  As always happens, when it becomes big money, things happen faster and harder.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #34 on: June 26, 2007, 12:41:31 pm »

I just realized they have another hour of live TV to cover tonight.  Smackdown gets taped tonight for friday, which of course isn't shown live, but ECW is shown live from the Smackdown event... I don't know that it's a very good idea to put a live event crowd on TV tonight.  They'll have no control over how they're going to respond, chant, sign, etc.  I could see as many antiBenoit signs happening as proBenoit signs and that could get ugly quickly.

Anything that happened in the crowd could be edited out for Smackdown but not for the live ECW show tonight.

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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2007, 01:28:21 pm »
The state of wrestling today is sad, to interject.  I agree, Vince just goes too far over the top.  I miss the days - again when I was a kid - that there were a bunch of little promotions: NWA, AWA, etc...it was less theatrics and more action, and - quite frankly, it WAS a better product.

At some point, you have to say to yourself, it surely must have been less dangerous for the performers as well to a point; how else do you explain that a lot of those guys are still living and today's heroes (Gurrerro, Benoit, Brian Pillman, etc) are now dead due to drugs or other issues?  The 70s and 80s were either a better time, or the heroes I worshipped as a kid just stayed the hell away from whatever drugs they were offered.



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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2007, 01:34:00 pm »

There ARE a bunch of little promotions.  All over the place.  They're just not on national TV, and that is exactly how it was back in the day too.

If you want small promotion wrestling just do some googling in your area.  You'll probably be surprised at what you find.  The NWA still very much exists and is still spread out in a territorial manner across the US.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2007, 01:51:28 pm »
The word now is that Chris strangled his wife and suffocated his boy and then he hung him shelf in his weight room. a sad day indeed.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2007, 01:55:07 pm »

Apparently the wife asked for and was given a restraining order against him in 2003.  They later reconciled, obviously.

Toxicology reports are reportedly coming out at 3pm.  It will be interesting to see if they're testing only for recreational drugs or if they'll check for steroids too.

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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2007, 02:07:42 pm »
they are looking into the steroids. the news reported it may have will know at 3:00
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2007, 02:18:34 pm »

Don't steroid tests take a couple weeks?

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2007, 02:19:52 pm »
The word now is that Chris strangled his wife and suffocated his boy and then he hung him shelf in his weight room. a sad day indeed.

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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2007, 02:39:57 pm »
Of course the worst "bad taste" moment in wrestling was in WCW when sting "fell" from the rafters and busted thru the ring (it was a dummy). They did this right after Owen Wilson DID fall to his death in the WWF. People in the audience were crying and screaming. That was pathetic.

Erm?  I don't remember that and Owen Wilson is an actor.  Owen Hart is the guy who fell from the rafters.

Sting had been using that rope based entrance for a long time but I certainly don't remember anyone anywhere in the wrestling industry mocking Owen Hart's death, especially given that one of WCW's highest paid stars was Owen's brother.

Yeah, Owen Hart. I tried looking the sting thing up and during the search I realized that stunt happened well before Owen's death. it was back when sting did his "point at Hogan" thing for months. Of course, the Owen coming down from the rafters was a copy of the sting entrance.

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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2007, 02:41:32 pm »

Did you actually find any reference to it?  I don't remember it at all and everything that has ever happened in wrestling is well documented on the web.

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« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2007, 02:45:07 pm »

Did you actually find any reference to it?  I don't remember it at all and everything that has ever happened in wrestling is well documented on the web.

I couldn't, but trust me, it happened. It was just a loaded dummy, so maybe it didn't have the impact on the masses as I thought it did. I was pretty pissed after it happened. I'll try looking again.

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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2007, 02:46:32 pm »

It's hard to remember stuff from that era of WCW.  It's like my long term memory is smarter than I am.

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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2007, 02:47:25 pm »
Found it.
# A Sting dummy comes plummetting from the ceiling, through the canvas again. Randy Anderson stares for a long time into the hole in the canvas. I can see what's coming here.
# Hogan prattles on calling Sting a "dummy" and says Sting is in hiding.
# Hogan has the nWo pull the "dummy" out of the hole so he can beat it some more and they hang it over the ropes.
# Hogan pulls the mask off the "dummy" and, SURPRISE, it's Sting. Way too telegraphed.
# Sting starts cleaning house and gives Hall a Scorpion Death Drop. Hogan is outside the ring wondering what to do as we fade to black.
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« Reply #47 on: June 26, 2007, 02:51:46 pm »

Ah... not quite the same as faking someone actually falling, but I could see how fuzzy recollection would make it seem that way.

I might actually have that Nitro on VHS.  I'll see if I do so we can all experience the idiocy.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #48 on: June 26, 2007, 03:41:02 pm »
...all the bad acting...all the bad story lines...all the bad characters...

...just about EVERYTHING TO DO WITH WRESTLING....turned me off of wrestling.  I stopped watching when I was about 10...or 11 maybe.

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« Reply #49 on: June 26, 2007, 03:44:33 pm »
Though I admit i've been to a couple of live events (worked for a paper...free tickets!) and they were entertaining.

Not WCW Nitro near the end. I got free tix to a Live Nitro and it was crap. I went to a WWF even back when I was a wee lad (Brutus Beefcake Vs. Honkey Tonk Man was the main event). That was fun as all getout...of course I was a kid.

Nowadays, they do way too much talking and "acting". That was one of the reasons I liked Chris Benoit. He was a very entertaining wrestler and he let his wrestling do the talking.

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« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2007, 04:10:45 pm »
Modern day wrestling is soap opera for men.    :timebomb:

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« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2007, 04:19:38 pm »
Modern day wrestling is soap opera for men.    :timebomb:

It absolutely is.  I agree.

The details are out and they are creepy.  I'm not sure I agree with the DA's assessments that steroids would cause this... this is something else.  Certailly steroids can mess with someone's head but this isn't consistent with things we've seen from completely roided out people in the past.

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ATLANTA (AP) - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year- old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself by the pulley of a weightlifting machine, authorities said Tuesday.

Investigators also found prescription anabolic steroids in the house, Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department. He would not comment on Benoit's state of mind or possible motive.

Autopsies showed all three died of asphyxiation, Pope said.

Benoit's wife, Nancy, was killed Friday in an upstairs family room, her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle, Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said.

The son, Daniel, was likely killed late Saturday or early Sunday, the body found in his bed, Ballard said.

Benoit apparently killed himself several hours and as long as a day later, Ballard said. His body was found in a downstairs weight room, his body found hanging from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment.

The prosecutor said he found it "bizarre" that the WWE wrestling star spread out the killings over a long weekend and appeared to remain in the house for up to a day with the bodies.

"I'm baffled about why anybody would kill a 7-year-old," Ballard said. "I don't think we'll ever be able wrap our head around that."

Earlier, a law enforcement official speaking on a condition of anonymity said Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son.


What kind of scumbag would smother his 7 year old son?   I can understand (but not agree) with offing the wife...I can see how an adult woman could make you go THAT crazy (but again,  I don't agree!)...but a kid?  Come on.   The guy,  evidently,  turned out to be a real piece of work.

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« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2007, 06:23:35 pm »
Frizzle - be careful about casting stones.  I don't mean to anger anyone here, he's got a an opinion and can have it...but it's real easy to cast stones and forget we ourselves live in glass houses occasionally.  I guess what I'm saying is this thread isn't the place for it.

I just refuse to believe the same man I admired and respected was mentally here with us this past weekend.  They prove it wasn't drugs or insanity, then I'll believe and deal with it.  But something really really went wrong in his head, I believe. 

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« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2007, 06:31:54 pm »

RTS:  Duh.  Take off your fan hat and look at him as a man.   I fully agree with Frizzle, that's the type of thing where you consider Benoit as having done the right thing in regard to his own life.  It was only just.

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« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2007, 07:13:47 pm »
RTS:  I will keep my opinions of the guy out of this thread... just keep in mind that watching someone on TV doesn't mean you know him.  For all you know he could have been beating his wife and molesting his kid for years (I AM NOT SAYING HE WAS....JUST MAKING A POINT!).   

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« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2007, 07:48:12 pm »

For the record, the Police did say they had never been called to their home in the past.  She did get that restraining order in 2003, though, which is a bit odd to get one without a single domestic police visit.

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« Reply #57 on: June 26, 2007, 09:44:58 pm »
Frizzle - be careful about casting stones.  I don't mean to anger anyone here, he's got a an opinion and can have it...but it's real easy to cast stones and forget we ourselves live in glass houses occasionally.  I guess what I'm saying is this thread isn't the place for it.

I just refuse to believe the same man I admired and respected was mentally here with us this past weekend.  They prove it wasn't drugs or insanity, then I'll believe and deal with it.  But something really really went wrong in his head, I believe. 

Not to belittle people with mental illness... but its become a catch all for excuses in this society and its just idiotic.

Did the man kill his wife?
Did the man kill his 7 YEAR OLD SON???

He's a scumbag and can rot in hell... end of story.

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« Reply #58 on: June 26, 2007, 10:14:27 pm »
Ok, you know what, I will take my fan hat off....regarding Chris and some of you as well.

You all are right - he is a scumbag for murdering his son.  I know nothing by watching him everyday on TV.  We should all just go and  :censored: on his gravesite.  But I wonder: if it were someone you idolized who did these things, would you be willing to say the same - or would you defend their memory?

I just hope and pray that when you come falling down from your lofty perches there isn't someone to step on you on the way down.  I will stick by my guns.  You throw stones, they WILL come back to knock your head off.  You may very well get back everything your throw. 

Personally I am sick and tired of being made to feel that I cannot express myself on these boards.  The only people that seem to matter right now are those ruling the boards right now: Chad, Frizzle, etc.

I was once told on here that if I could not take the heat stay out of the kitchen.  I would say that to some of you tonight as well.  You all are great at dishing it out but you sure as heck are awful at taking someone standing against your opinions.

You know what...go ahead and tell Saint to ban me after this rant, I really don't give a crap.   I'm really quite done with this place for a while anyway.  I have too many personal problems going on right now to allow someone's typed response to get my blood boiling like this.





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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2007, 10:24:01 pm »
No one said you couldn't express yourself.  People are just saying that you seem to be giving a man who killed two members of his family too much credit.

And ya know what... for me personally... if I ever did that, I'd hope the fall from "my perch" would bust ---my bottom---.  That's a horrible, unforgivable thing that he did.  Doesn't matter if it was him, you, or me... it's a scumbag move.  He deserves no sympathy and no benefit of the doubt.

if he truly had a mental break, I feel slightly bad for him.  If it lead him to take his own life, I would feel bad.  I would feel for him, his family, his friends, and his fans.  Cross the line to murdering innocent people (no matter how much the wife may have pissed him off), and he's just an ass, and deserves to rot.  We're not on a "lofty perch" unless you consider NOT MURDERING PEOPLE a lofty goal.

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« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2007, 10:28:59 pm »
You know what...go ahead and tell Saint to ban me after this rant, I really don't give a crap.   I'm really quite done with this place for a while anyway.  I have too many personal problems going on right now to allow someone's typed response to get my blood boiling like this.


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« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2007, 11:27:22 pm »
Frizzle - be careful about casting stones.  I don't mean to anger anyone here, he's got a an opinion and can have it...but it's real easy to cast stones and forget we ourselves live in glass houses occasionally.  I guess what I'm saying is this thread isn't the place for it.

I just refuse to believe the same man I admired and respected was mentally here with us this past weekend.  They prove it wasn't drugs or insanity, then I'll believe and deal with it.  But something really really went wrong in his head, I believe. 
I may live in a glass house, but that pane marked "murder your own children" is made of 20" thick steel-reinforced plexiglass and behind a brick wall, so I feel pretty comfortable throwing a whole pile of stones in this case.

As was said before, I can almost understand (certainly not condone) him killing his wife in a fit of anger-I can imagine the "family emergency" was some sort of knock-down, drag-out uber fight that ultimately involved her leaving him and taking their son. Add in a touch of steroid abuse and I think we can all see how it could happen. It was a crime of passion and a horrible tragedy. But killing his son a day later? By suffocating him in his sleep? Absofuckinglutely unforgivable and inexcusable. I haven't heard the reason yet that would ever change my view on that.
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #62 on: June 27, 2007, 03:21:02 am »
Suffocation is far less suspicious than a lot of other things. Severe post-natal depression has occasionally led to cases where a parent has smothered a child because "they just wouldn't stop crying". I don't know the particulars of roid rage, but if it presumably combines hyper-aggression with hyper-irritability, I can see how someone irrational might start off with tying/pinning people down just to get them to "sit down and shut up while I'm talkin' to you!", but end up killing them instead because "they just wouldn't shut up".  :'(

Make no mistake, this is a horrible thing to happen, but the bible thing does tend to suggest he knew he had done wrong but he didn't have the courage to come forward and face the consequences of his actions.  :dunno

And RTS - I've read ingredient lists on soup packets that were more offensive then your supposed "rant". Bury them backwards sure, salt the Earth and rescind their awards and all. But getting righteous over someone's death is the start of a very bad slippery slope.   :timebomb:
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« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2007, 03:40:39 am »
I guess I'll be eating crow now - but this is just getting worse.  I do think I need to crawl into a cave, perhaps break these rose-colored glasses of mine permanently, and then come back to society when I can see clearly.  Some days I think I'm just the worst idiot walking the face of the planet.  I'm really embarrased to know this is who I held up as a "hero" (and please don't post that I'm being too hard on myself - TRUTH is truth).  It's just so damn hard to believe, but this guy was really really sick and twisted apparently.

Long post, sorry - boldface is added by me, of course.  I just saw this on the net.  I said that once I saw it for myself I'd believe it....guess I got called on that one.  Furthermore, the WWE is sure as hell covering it's behind at the expense of all three, denying that steroids could have possibly been involved.  They too, are probably right - but I still think it was despicable to make such a comment without a single toxicology report in yet.

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Benoit Strangled Wife, Smothered Son
By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer
6 hours ago

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. - Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley, authorities said Tuesday.

Investigators found anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscle man nicknamed "The Canadian Crippler" was unhinged by the bodybuilding drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage."

Authorities offered no motive for the killings, which were spread out over a weekend, and would not discuss Benoit's state of mind. No suicide note was found.

"In a community like this it's bizarre to have a murder-suicide, especially involving the death of a 7-year-old," District Attorney Scott Ballard said. "I don't think we'll ever be able to wrap our minds around this."

The Montreal-born Benoit was one of the stars of the WWE wrestling circuit and was known for his wholesome family-man image. His wife, Nancy, was a wrestling stage manager who worked under the name "Woman." They married in 2000.

When he won the world heavyweight championship in 2004, Benoit (pronounced ben-WAH) hoisted the belt over his head and invited his wife and child into the ring to celebrate. Asked by the Calgary Sun that year to name his worst vice: Benoit replied: "Quality time with my family is a big vice. It's something I'll fight for and crave."

Despite those appearances, Nancy Benoit had filed for a divorce in 2003, saying the couple's three-year marriage was irrevocably broken and alleging "cruel treatment." She later dropped the complaint, as well as a request for a restraining order in which she charged that the 5-foot-10, 220-pound Benoit had threatened her and had broken furniture in their home.


In the divorce filing, she said Benoit made more than $500,000 a year as a professional wrestler and asked for permanent custody of Daniel and child support. In response, Benoit sought joint custody.

The bodies were found Monday afternoon in the house, off a gravel road in this suburb about 20 miles south of Atlanta.

Benoit's 43-year-old wife was killed Friday in an upstairs family room, her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle, Ballard said. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, the body found in his bed, the district attorney said.

Benoit, 40, apparently hanged himself several hours and as long as a day later, Ballard said. His body was found in a downstairs weight room, his body found hanging from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment.

A closed Bible was placed next to the bodies of the wife and son, authorities said.

The prosecutor said he found it "bizarre" that the wrestler spread out the killings over a weekend and appeared to remain in the house for up to a day with the bodies.

Toxicology test results may not be available for weeks or even months, Ballard said. As for whether steroids played a role in the crime, he said: "We don't know yet. That's one of the things we'll be looking at."

Steroids have been linked to the deaths of several professional wrestlers in recent years. Eddie Guerrero, one of Benoit's best friends, died in 2005 from heart failure linked to long-term steroid use.

The father of Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig blamed steroids and painkillers for Hennig's drug overdose death in 2003. Davey Boy Smith, the "British Bulldog," died in 2002 from heart failure that a coroner said was probably caused by steroids.

The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a statement Tuesday evening saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death."

"The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage," the company said, adding that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs.


Benoit was a quiet, roughhewn figure amid the glitz and bluster of pro wrestling. He performed under his real name, eschewed scripted personas and didn't bother to fix a gap where he had lost one of his front teeth. (According to the WWE Web site, he lost the tooth while roughhousing with his pet Rottweiler.)

His signature move was the "Crippler Crossface," in which he would lock his hands around an opponent's face and stretch his neck.

"You always rooted for him, because he was a good guy and he overcame the odds," said Dave Meltzer, editor of the Wrestling Observer, a weekly news letter. "It's like if you watched `Rocky,' and in the end it comes out that Rocky killed his wife and his son."

Benoit met his wife in the 1990s when she was married to rival wrestler Kevin Sullivan. As part of the scripted rivalry, Benoit and Nancy were supposed to act as if they were having an affair. A real romance blossomed, and she left Sullivan for Benoit.

Neighbors said the Benoits led a low-key lifestyle.

"We would see Chris walking in his yard from time to time. He wasn't rude, but he wasn't really outwardly warm," said Alaina Jones, who lives across the street.

Jimmy Baswell, who was Benoit's driver for more than five years, placed a white wreath at their gate. "They always seemed like they were the happiest people," he said.

World Wrestling Entertainment said on its Web site that it asked authorities to check on Benoit and his family after being alerted by friends who had received "several curious text messages sent by Benoit early Sunday morning."

"He was like a family member to me, and everyone in my family is taking it real hard," said fellow Canadian Bret Hart, a five-time champion.

The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, after the bodies were discovered.

Monday's show was supposed to be a memorial service for WWE owner Vince McMahon. In a storyline concocted by the WWE, McMahon was supposedly "assassinated" in a limousine explosion two weeks earlier. McMahon appeared at the beginning of Monday's telecast and acknowledged the bombing was made up.

The McMahon storyline has been dropped.

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Associated Press writers Debbie Newby and Jason Bronis contributed to this report.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #64 on: June 27, 2007, 08:47:32 am »

There are more details on the son now... reports say the Benoits were hiding that the boy had fragile X syndrome and other reports say they had found old injection scars on his arm.  Theories are that they had given him HGH in the past to try and help him over his disabilities.  No reports yet that that had anything to do with his death but there is a theory that the wife was an act of rage and/or passion but the son was to prevent him from having to be raised by strangers, having had his parents die violently, and with a spiraling disability the strangers very likely would never understand.

All rationalization, of course, but it's the first theory that makes any sort of sense.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #65 on: June 27, 2007, 09:07:04 am »

There are more details on the son now... reports say the Benoits were hiding that the boy had fragile X syndrome and other reports say they had found old injection scars on his arm.  Theories are that they had given him HGH in the past to try and help him over his disabilities.  No reports yet that that had anything to do with his death but there is a theory that the wife was an act of rage and/or passion but the son was to prevent him from having to be raised by strangers, having had his parents die violently, and with a spiraling disability the strangers very likely would never understand.

All rationalization, of course, but it's the first theory that makes any sort of sense.

If that was the case with his son, then there would likely have been a suicide note.

Odds are that the investigation will eventually uncover some clues, maybe from computer records in the house or something.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #66 on: June 27, 2007, 09:12:22 am »

There wouldn't be a note if he didn't want anyone to know about the boy's condition.  And he did send all those text messages to coworkers giving out his physical address for no specified reason and informing one of them that the patio doors were unlocked and the dogs had been fed.

I'm betting the true motives will never really be understood.  So many various drugs over the years can really eff with someone's mind, especially a full out balls to the wall intensity person like Benoit.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2007, 10:05:16 am »
I would just like to say as a fan I admired and enjoyed Chris' wrestling. As a father I am deeply disturbed that any man would take the life of his own child. The true facts about this case and the mental condition of Chris many never be known. It is easy to down play the good one has done in the past when faced with such horrible acts. I remember the good Chris was and will mourn those lives he has taken. I can only feel a deep sadness for Nancy and Daniel as well as Chris's other two children. I also feel very sad for all the fans who worshiped people like Chris, what do we do when our heroes fail us?

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« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2007, 10:18:36 am »

Don't confuse entertainment with good.  He was well paid to do something he enjoyed.  That's not the same as something to be admired as "good work".

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #69 on: June 27, 2007, 12:35:17 pm »

Here's another thought... untreated concussions.  Dude did a LOT of things with his head that were ill advised... especially that diving head butt and the way he used to take chair shots to the back of the head.

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« Reply #70 on: June 28, 2007, 12:06:49 am »
I just heard a report on CNN that police have confirmed that they found TRACK MARKS and sighs of RECENT INJECTIONS on the son.  It is speculated that he was injecting human growth hormones and/or steroids in to the kid!  Evidently the kid is small for his age and ole Chris wasn't about to have any of that...

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« Reply #71 on: June 28, 2007, 01:13:27 am »
I just heard a report on CNN that police have confirmed that they found TRACK MARKS and sighs of RECENT INJECTIONS on the son. 

Chad mentioned this a few posts up.  More info here:

Report: Benoit’s Son Had Fragile X Syndrome
Reported by Brian Cantor on June 26th, 2007

Canadian female Pam Winthrope told News 1130 in Canada that Chris Benoit’s son had a genetic condition called Fragile X syndrome.

According to WebMD, “Fragile X Syndrome is a defect of the X chromosome which causes mild mental retardation. The disorder occurs more frequently and severely among males than females. This condition is the leading known familial cause of mental retardation in the United States. Language delays, behavioral problems, autism or autistic-like behavior (including poor eye contact and hand-flapping), enlarged external genitalia (macroorchidism), large or prominent ears, hyperactivity, delayed motor development and/or poor sensory skills are among the wide range of symptoms associated with this disorder.”

Winthrope, whose son also suffers from the condition, told the Canadian news outlet that her husband reached out to Benoit five years ago in an attempt to increase awareness about Fragile X.

She told News 1130, “We talked to him because I was trying to set up a support group in BC and in Canada, we only have a couple of them. My husband was struggling when we got diagnosed with our son, and Chris was struggling with his. They talked for a few minutes and then he said he didn’t want to be a public face for Fragile X, he just wanted to keep it really, really quiet.”

Winthrope noted that the lack of support for those affected by the disorder can tear families apart. Nonetheless, “she couldn’t believe the news that Benoit had taken his life along with his wife and 7-year-old son,” wrote News 1130.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #72 on: June 28, 2007, 09:16:13 am »

It is also possible they are the result of doctor ordered injections... don't know if they do it anymore but I do know in the past kids suspected to be dwarfs were given HGH and there are a couple of other conditions they did that with too.  That doesn't rule out the possibility Benoit injected the kid on his own but the marks alone don't prove that.

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« Reply #73 on: June 28, 2007, 09:23:25 am »
If the guy was having problems at home that warranted this incident, why didn't he just say something. They could have written him an injury storyline and he could've went home for a few months.

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« Reply #74 on: June 28, 2007, 09:53:58 am »

He just was home for a few months.  It's not an industry where you can keep doing that, especially at the tail end of your career, when the money making clock is ticking loudly.  He had only been back in the loop for a short while.

I've been doing a little reading on the toll Fragile X takes on the family... it's really, really, really hard on them.  I think this is where the trigger lies more than anything else.  That's what they had been fighting about, the boy and his care, cost related to potentially putting him in a home for these kids, just general stress over it.  I'm seeing a really really high divorce rate for Fragile X parents and a high abandonment rate for Fragile X kids.  This also wouldn't be the first murder-suicide, by a long shot, of a desperate Fragile X family.  Last year a women in England jumped off a bridge with her 12 year old Fragile X son.

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« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2007, 09:58:25 am »
I have done a little research into it to. Maybe some kind of public awareness about this can have a positive effect on other families dealing with this.

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« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2007, 10:08:55 am »

Public awareness would really, really, really help.  WWE is going to distance itself as far as possible, though, and they are the ones who would have to lead the awareness efforts.  Can't even really blame the WWE for doing that, either, since their primary responsibility as a publicly traded company is to protect stock value.  That's just the law.

Having thought this through with some of the info I have now after doing this reading... I think I have a couple basic theories.  I suspect he may have thought the boy was better off passing now before his condition deteriorated too far and had to live a long life of suffering.  Like putting a dog to sleep.  He comes to this conclusion after being home for several months and after several months of hard fighting with the wife over the yearly cost of hundreds of thousands to care for him or put him in a home... with no end in sight, after having busted ass literally for decades to build a retirement.  He figures he's going to have to tie up the wife to keep her away while he does it to ensure the boy passes peacefully.  When he goes to tie up the wife, something goes wrong, she gets hurt.  Now there's no turning back, the wife ends up dead, he does what he intended with the boy.  It all worked out wrong, it was different in his head, and now he's a double murderer, of his family no less.  He has to take his own life now, the future is toast and frankly he deserves it.

Can't say any of that is justified, rational, or sane, but at least it gives potential answers to a couple of the "why" questions.  I'm sure the drug use over the years was a major factor in his state of mind through the whole thing as well.

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« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2007, 10:19:01 am »

 When he goes to tie up the wife, something goes wrong, she gets hurt.  Now there's no turning back, the wife ends up dead, he does what he intended with the boy.  It all worked out wrong, it was different in his head, and now he's a double murderer, of his family no less.  He has to take his own life now, the future is toast and frankly he deserves it.


So if he wouldn't have accidently killed his wife and succesfully killed his kid, everything would have been ok?  His future wouldn't have been toast if he just killed his kid, and not his wife??  WTF??

I think you're completely reaching on the whole thing considering you don't know the Benoits and weren't in their house for the last few moths.

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« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2007, 10:22:54 am »

Hey, I never said it was a good plan.  Maybe he planned to pin the boy's death on the wife.

If you think I'm reaching so hard, do you have a better theory? 

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« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2007, 10:24:46 am »
With all the "my wife's sick and throwing up ...so is my kid" phone calls etc,  sounds to me like he was plotting a way to get away with this ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Once he determined he was screwed,  he took the cowards way out and offed himself.
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« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2007, 10:27:44 am »

It's possible he was trying to find a way to pin the boy's death on his wife.  Or maybe he was just so panicked that he was trying to buy himself time, aware that if he didn't tell the WWE something they would come looking for him that much sooner.

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« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2007, 10:41:15 am »

So if he wouldn't have accidently killed his wife and succesfully killed his kid, everything would have been ok?  His future wouldn't have been toast if he just killed his kid, and not his wife??  WTF??

I think you're completely reaching on the whole thing considering you don't know the Benoits and weren't in their house for the last few moths.

It is a very plausible theory. When people get into an altered state of mind, their sense of reality is very skewed. He could very easily believed he would have been looked at as a compassionate man, and that his wife just didn't understand quite yet but if he tied her up for a while she would come around. Once reality starts conflicting with their altered dream of reality, things get worse.

My dad is bi-polar, and when he quits taking his psychiatric medicine because he "doesn't think he needs it", he has a mental breakdown along with psychotic episodes. Without going into details, I have looked a crazy person in the eyes and can tell you for a fact that they TRULY BELIEVE without a doubt what they are thinking - no matter how implausible the thought or how much proof you show them.

The reason I bring this up is that it is becoming apparent that Benoit was under ALOT of stress, depression was setting in, he was being treated for low testosterone levels. All it takes is one of these psychotic episodes to destroy everything in a family. Earlier this year, the husband in a couple whom I went to High school with had an "episode" and shot his wife in the head. He tried to kill his 1 year old son too as a police officer ran into the house to grab the child. He then shot himself. This Benoit story is very similar. Cases like this are the main reasons I keep my family away from my dad.

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« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2007, 11:04:02 am »

Hey, I never said it was a good plan.  Maybe he planned to pin the boy's death on the wife.

If you think I'm reaching so hard, do you have a better theory? 

No I don't have a better theory, I didn't know Chris Benoit or his wife, I'm not an investigator, and I haven't been to the crime scene.

All I'm saying is that we can all sit here and pull theories out of our asses, but the truth is we will probably never know what he was thinking or what made him snap.

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« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2007, 11:14:05 am »
Might want to alter the thread title a bit.

All I can say is this , and I still hold true to my original post. RIP Rabid Wolverine & Family.  :'(

I have for you all , what about the old saying of walking a mile in a man's shoes before he is judged? Have any of you even the slightest idea as to the stresses of being a performer? What about living out of a suitcase for 300 days out of the year? Top that with constantly being in pain over the "fake" moves you were hit with the night before. We all know it's predetermined , but the slams and falls are real, and they hurt like a S.O.B.!

This is usually where the drug addiction and steroids come into play. Pain killers to numb aches , and steroids to maintain your physique. Your body is your wallet ,and the better you look in this business now, the more you'll make. It's not like the older days of having guys like Bundy, Kamala, or any other larger man, this all about "build".

Still , while I don't condone what Benoit did , it certainly is understandable. Stack that with family problems, and it's a total recipe for bad things to come.

We'll miss you Chris. May God have mercy on your soul!

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« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2007, 11:29:33 am »
All I'm saying is that we can all sit here and pull theories out of our asses, but the truth is we will probably never know what he was thinking or what made him snap.

These theories aren't being pulled out of asses.  The theories being presented here by multiple people are the result of following the story, critical thought, and independent research.  What part of that process comes out of one's ass?   Maybe you don't want to be bothered to think but there are people here who do.

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« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2007, 11:37:15 am »
If you want theories pulled out of asses, go to P&R. There are plenty to spare there. ;) ;D

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« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2007, 11:39:32 am »
Speaking of steroids. I can say with certainty that Steroids isn't good for you mental health. I once saw a guy at the gym, who I new for a fact took steroids, (because he bragged about it and was abnormally huge) throw a 45 pound plate through the air in a sudden fit of rage. I was about 20 feet away from the guy using another bench press and just about to do another set of 10 with 500+ pounds. Ok so I exagerate and try to embellish my stories. Anyways the plate flew through the air and in my professional opinion would have killed somebody quite easily had it struck them in the head. I was appalled by the moron's complete stupidy. I had to figure out what had gone wrong and caused him such aggravation and realized that it was something as simple as a pinched finger. You can just imagine if it was something a little more serious.  ::)
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2007, 11:48:01 am »
Speaking of steroids. I can say with certainty that Steroids isn't good for you mental health. I once saw a guy at the gym, who I new for a fact took steroids, (because he bragged about it and was abnormally huge) throw a 45 pound plate through the air in a sudden fit of rage. I was about 20 feet away from the guy using another bench press and just about to do another set of 10 with 500+ pounds. Ok so I exagerate and try to embellish my stories. Anyways the plate flew through the air and in my professional opinion would have killed somebody quite easily had it struck them in the head. I was appalled by the moron's complete stupidy. I had to figure out what had gone wrong and caused him such aggravation and realized that it was something as simple as a pinched finger. You can just imagine if it was something a little more serious.  ::)

That's nothing! I was once walking home from the store and this guy drove past me like a bat out of hell , I mean superfast. Turns out he hit the telephone pole a few miles up , and he was drunk off his @ss.

Point being , alcohol can make someone an @ss just as much as steroids. Steroids in moderation , I see no problem with. Comparable to those who find no problem with just one beer!

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2007, 11:58:39 am »
That's nothing! I was once walking home from the store and this guy drove past me like a bat out of hell , I mean superfast. Turns out he hit the telephone pole a few miles up , and he was drunk off his @ss.

Point being , alcohol can make someone an @ss just as much as steroids. Steroids in moderation , I see no problem with. Comparable to those who find no problem with just one beer!

Alcohol is a depressant that lowers your inhibitions - it doesn't alter your perception of reality. However, alcohol in combination with any drug is a bad, bad, combination. Odds are a few were knocked back over that weekend.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2007, 12:09:35 pm »
Steroids certainly can have all sorts of negative effects on the mind.  I've known a lot of guys on them over the years.  I wouldn't say the mental effects are any more severe than any other drug, just more immediately hard to deal with, because they make someone stronger and in your face. 

I will say, as to roid rage, I've never seen an episode of roid rage from a guy who wasn't already an ---uvula--- prone to temper problems.  Steroids don't create rage, they magnify it.  Regular even keeled guys don't go around putting fists through walls on steroids.

sharidan - alcohol seriously inhibits judgment - that can be a form of altered perception.  Drunk people think they can drive, right? 

I can almost guarantee you Benoit didn't drink.  Guys with long term 4% bodyfat don't drink.  Ever.  They can't be both.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2007, 12:17:21 pm »
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If I remember reading correctly , somewhere on BYOAC , some time ago you were actually in the business. Either that , or you have contacts, friends , or whatever that in are in the know.

My point is , and I'm reading all of yours(post) with interest , is that many of the members here just have no idea the lifestyle a wrestler has , or the daily obstacles they face. And unlike other sports where off seasons come and go , wrestlers subject themselves to abuse ALL YEAR LONG!


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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2007, 12:23:01 pm »

Yes, very tangentially, and my participation was years back.  But I have known a lot of guys that live that life.  The demands at the WWE level are off the charts and most people could never handle it.  It makes pretty much anything else look like cake in comparison. 

Personally, I don't really care, though, as it is a chosen lifestyle with the demands and toll known beforehand.  That's the mindset most of these guys have... sure, it's beyond comprehension for most people, but it's a choice to do this and a guy can leave at any point.  Wrestlers are big on personal accountability because their ethic and their rep is everything in their profession.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2007, 12:35:56 pm »
From the WWE homepage, there's currently a link with McMahon on this morning's TODAY show.

I love how the media is so persistent on harping the steroid abuse. They pick one little speck from the tragedy, and try building a mountain from it. Gotta love the news.

 :cheers: To McMahon for keeping his composure during the bashing. I was hoping he would turn it around and do a Bob Costas on her.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2007, 12:40:16 pm »

It wouldn't be very smart to respond to "so did steroids make him kill" with being aggressive and in her face.  That would just prove her point to most people. 

What I'm not surprised by is the complete lack of peers coming out and making excuses for him the way the fans are... no wrestlers are saying "it's the schedule, it's the stress, it's the lifestyle".  That right there should tell you how they feel about it.  He did it and they hold him accountable, not the lifestyle.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2007, 12:53:46 pm »
Steroids certainly can have all sorts of negative effects on the mind.  I've known a lot of guys on them over the years.  I wouldn't say the mental effects are any more severe than any other drug, just more immediately hard to deal with, because they make someone stronger and in your face. 

I will say, as to roid rage, I've never seen an episode of roid rage from a guy who wasn't already an ---uvula--- prone to temper problems.  Steroids don't create rage, they magnify it.  Regular even keeled guys don't go around putting fists through walls on steroids.

sharidan - alcohol seriously inhibits judgment - that can be a form of altered perception.  Drunk people think they can drive, right? 

I can almost guarantee you Benoit didn't drink.  Guys with long term 4% bodyfat don't drink.  Ever.  They can't be both.

When your body is overloaded with testosterone, you BECOME a temperamental ---uvula---. If you haven't seen an even keeled guy have a roid rage, then he isn't far enough into it.

People who drink and drive think they can drive drunk whether they are lit, or chatting at the lunch table. Their decision has NOTHING to do with being drunk - it comes from trying it one time scared crapless, then realizing "it wasn't that bad-I can handle it" You can handle anything...until something goes wrong.

As to Benoit, I thought he was one of the good guys in wrestling. For a long time, I honestly believed him when he described his workout and diet regimin that he was not a steroid user. Guess that was wrong. And WTF about not drinking because he has "long term 4% body fat". I know lots of skinny people who put 'em back with the best of them. I know girls who are 100lbs that can drink men under the table.
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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2007, 01:01:41 pm »

I can almost guarantee you Benoit didn't drink.  Guys with long term 4% bodyfat don't drink.  Ever.  They can't be both.

Benoit had been arrested for DUI.... 

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #96 on: June 28, 2007, 01:03:22 pm »
If drunk people could make proper decisions you wouldn't see so many alcohol related accidents.  On the road, in the home, boats, trees, they happen constantly.

Being temperamental is not a rage.  Roid rage is a specific thing - complete loss of control to the point that you will hurt and destroy anything in your vicinity.  It's not being a dick because you don't feel good that day.  I've seen it happen many times.  All were guys that were already prone to temper problems.  I've seen many nice regular type guys juiced that had never had a roid rage episode. 

Those 100lb people you mention with high metabolisms?  They're not built like Chris Benoit.  Their metabolisms would never allow it.  Can't be both, man.  Can't be 4% bodyfat, traps to the ears, and a drinker.  Doesn't happen.  Guys like that live off steamed chicken and plain baked potatoes for every meal.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #97 on: June 28, 2007, 01:05:43 pm »
Benoit had been arrested for DUI.... 

Source?  That would be pretty out of character for someone with that build over long period of time.  Unless it wasn't alcohol, I guess.  DUI isn't always alcohol.

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« Reply #98 on: June 28, 2007, 01:06:15 pm »
There are reports that there was an empty wine bottle found in the room where Benoit hung himself.  I'm not saying he was an alcoholic or drank all the time, but with the DUI and wine bottle, he definitely did some drinking...

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #99 on: June 28, 2007, 01:08:32 pm »
Benoit had been arrested for DUI.... 

Source?  That would be pretty out of character for someone with that build over long period of time.  Unless it wasn't alcohol, I guess.  DUI isn't always alcohol.


Chris Benoit's only other known brush with the legal system occurred in September 1998, when Peachtree City police arrested him on a DUI charge.

here's the full article..

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/26/0627metbenoit.html

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #100 on: June 28, 2007, 01:15:23 pm »

Hrm.  Not really enough on its own, especially with it being the only arrest on record.  Toxicology reports will include blood alcohol level for sure.  If there were a wine bottle there, perhaps he was drinking that weekend and it didn't mix well with anything else.  Definitely not a habit, though, not with that bodyfat and musculature.  Too many calories in alcohol and he wasn't a 280lb guy with calories to spare.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #101 on: June 28, 2007, 01:28:43 pm »
Crash Holly was a pretty small guy and he was an alcoholic.   I believe that Jeff Hardy had alcohol problems and he's not very big.  I read articles that claimed Test was a big abuser of alcohol, admittedly he is much bigger that the others.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #102 on: June 28, 2007, 02:01:58 pm »
In all fairness CCM , the guys you mentioned aren't even close to being in thier 40's , which Benoit had just turned.

Something happens to the body after about 30-35. Things slow down, we don't produce a lot of the chemicals that keep us in shape, and most people end up developing the bulge. This was nowhere to be found on Benoit.

I challenge any of you to look the way Benoit did when you reach 40.  :angry: ;D That body , although talks of steroid abuse run rampant, was a work of total commitment , and self-discipline , to say the very least.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #103 on: June 28, 2007, 02:55:48 pm »
I'm not saying that Benoit was an alcoholic, just that there may be a history of some level of alcohol use.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #104 on: June 28, 2007, 03:44:59 pm »
Crash Holly was a pretty small guy and he was an alcoholic.   I believe that Jeff Hardy had alcohol problems and he's not very big.  I read articles that claimed Test was a big abuser of alcohol, admittedly he is much bigger that the others.

Neither guy had anywhere near the physique that Benoit had.  Not even close.  The alcohol issue is all about Benoit's constant low bodyfat.  Jeff Hardy is a doughboy and always has been.

Here's an interesting twist:

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WK Analysis: PWTorch has received numerous emails about this over the past few days as it has become an Internet conspiracy theory launching point - and rightfully so. But because Wikipedia can be easily updated and changed by anyone, and since a prankster could have posted speculation at that time, it wasn't considered highly newsworthy. However, Fox News has now reported that the post originated from Stamford, Conn. That is just enough to make this a serious reason to wonder who knew what and when.


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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #105 on: June 28, 2007, 03:58:52 pm »
Here's an interesting twist:

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WK Analysis: PWTorch has received numerous emails about this over the past few days as it has become an Internet conspiracy theory launching point - and rightfully so. But because Wikipedia can be easily updated and changed by anyone, and since a prankster could have posted speculation at that time, it wasn't considered highly newsworthy. However, Fox News has now reported that the post originated from Stamford, Conn. That is just enough to make this a serious reason to wonder who knew what and when.



I'd question the integrity of wikipedia's security before I started a conspiracy theory on that. Is it possible for a hacker to fake a timestamp on an entry?

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« Reply #106 on: June 28, 2007, 04:00:02 pm »

I suppose anything is possible and this definitely has enough media attention to be a very viable hacker target.  The reports aren't specifying if anyone actually saw it in that 14 hour window.  Wikipedia get whacked by people with dumb prank info all the time.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #107 on: June 28, 2007, 04:14:11 pm »
Now foxnews is trying to link the death of Sherri Martel to Benoit.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287182,00.html

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« Reply #108 on: June 28, 2007, 04:25:20 pm »

It's about time someone mentioned Kevin Sullivan.

I say the were all killed by Leia Meow.

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« Reply #109 on: June 28, 2007, 04:32:51 pm »

It's about time someone mentioned Kevin Sullivan.


His name has come to mind on more than one occasion since this came out. However, I don't think they had THAT bad of blood. I mean the guy booked his own wife in an affair, ordered her and Benoit to be seen in public holding hands, share a hotel room. The way that went I get the feeling he wanted the divorce to happen and this gave him an excuse to keep from giving her half of everything.

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« Reply #110 on: June 28, 2007, 04:34:19 pm »

Kevin Sullivan isn't man enough to be violent to Chris Benoit. 

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #111 on: June 28, 2007, 05:30:55 pm »

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Also, the IP address used has been linked to previous vile sexual, anti-gay, and racist prank posts on Wikipedia in the past related to Stacy Keibler, The Sopranos, and Ron Artest. That IP address has also been linked to a highly offensive post on Chavo Guerrero's Wikipedia page.

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Although changes traced to this IP address had also been involved in adding graphic anti-black, anti-gay, and other vile posts, this is the only instance where a user from this IP address had actually erased something negative - and it happened to be Chavo Guerrero's page. Because Chavo, sources tell PWTorch, was one of the two people receiving text messages from Benoit before he killed himself, the tie-in becomes more intriguing. It appears that if the person, perhaps from Stamford, knew Chavo and erased bad info at his request could have also been privy to inside info about Nancy's well-being and decided to stir some trouble, as he had on various other subjects such as Ron Artest and The Sopranos.

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« Reply #113 on: June 29, 2007, 05:35:17 pm »
And here I said I was staying out of this....

What still troubles me is the lack of closure to any of this.  I have more or less come to grips with the fact that this was a very troubled person, who either a) went nuts or b) led two entirely different lives.

What I'd love to have now is a reason.  It makes no sense.  A family has lost a son, daughter in law, and a grandson.  Another family has lost a daughter, a son-in-law,  and a grandson.  Several of the WWE superstars apparently lost a friend...at least a co-worker.  And no one really knows why.  This, I suppose, is why I found myself so compassionate at the beginning of the week, when it was unknown it was a murder suicide and even for a while afterward.  Now I'm just numb to it,  especially with people now wondering if all this ties in to Sheri Martel's death.

There's just no other way to put it - the whole mess is just plain crazy.


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« Reply #114 on: June 29, 2007, 08:28:23 pm »

Closure is the one thing suicide never provides.

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« Reply #115 on: June 30, 2007, 08:33:19 am »
There are also reports that the sons body was found with needle wholes in his arm, a rumor was that he was being a injected with growth hormones, at the age of 7 that is dicked up....Chicago tribune and suntimes posted the soon to be confirmed rumor.

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« Reply #116 on: June 30, 2007, 09:03:18 am »

Read the thread... kids with Fragile X and other growth disorders are given prescriptions of HGH sometimes.  You'd think someone so familiar with steroids and how to take them would have found better injection spots than a kid's forearm.

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« Reply #117 on: June 30, 2007, 07:44:14 pm »

Obviously I'm still closely following this.

I wonder how much Eddie Guerrero's absence had to do with this.  His sudden passing was probably very hard on Benoit... they had been very close for a very long time.

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« Reply #118 on: June 30, 2007, 09:26:21 pm »
By R.I.P., you mean Rot In Pieces when directed at the asshat posing as a man who murdered an innocent child, right Mr.Sunshine?

There is absolutely, ABSOLUTELY, no excuses someone can come up with to justify that.< That is a huge period.


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« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2007, 08:58:29 am »
I find it disgusting of you, Mr.Sunshine, that you did not change the title of this thread.

Oh ya do? Gee , that's  - that's too bad. Really!  :laugh2:

Not that I owe you an explanation , but I'm willing you bet you've been a fan all you're life , you marked out whenever Benoit would walk the aisle , and now that he's committed this horrendous crime , you're willing to turn your back on him. Close?

I told you , I feel for everyone involved in this tragedy, even Chris. I don't expect you to understand that , not someone who's always been on the outside looking in.

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« Reply #120 on: July 01, 2007, 04:35:46 pm »
I agree rot in pieces, he killed his kid not cool.  And if you pay tribute to him then you should deserve the same fate. I don't care what was wrong with him mentally.  Because what ever he did was a result of the stuff that he did to his self. And so as they say he brought it on him self.

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« Reply #121 on: July 01, 2007, 06:58:22 pm »
I don't see anything wrong with the title, theres nothing wrong with hoping someone you once admired finds the peace in death that they did not have in life, even if they did commit such an atrocity.  Besides, if you believe in hell, then you know he won't be finding the peace he was looking for since suicide is the one sin it's impossible to ask forgiveness for.

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« Reply #122 on: July 02, 2007, 05:09:35 pm »
The latest from Atlanta:

US National NewsLawyer: Benoit Doctor Will Be Charged
By HARRY R. WEBER, Associated Press Writer
5 hours ago

ATLANTA - The personal doctor of pro wrestler Chris Benoit will turn himself in Monday to face federal charges in connection with a federal drug probe, the physician's attorney said.

Attorney Manny Arora would not say to say what charges were involved.

Federal drug agents have taken over the probe into whether Dr. Phil Astin improperly prescribed testosterone and other drugs to Benoit before he killed his wife and son and committed suicide in his suburban Atlanta home last month. State prosecutors and sheriff's officials are overseeing the death investigation.

A spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Atlanta, Patrick Crosby, declined to say Monday whether federal prosecutors were planning any criminal charges.

Investigators have conducted two raids at Astin's west Georgia office since last week.

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I just hope they nail the WWE as well.  A local sports spot was saying that 60 wrestlers have died in the last 10 years as a result of steroid related conditions.  That's 6 a year - and whatever the industry is or isn't, that is just unacceptable.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #123 on: July 03, 2007, 09:04:44 am »
Yeah, that was a couple days ago.  They've also raided the guy's mother's house and as of yesterday afternoon the doctor was preparing to turn himself in.

I don't think they'll have anything to nail the WWE on.  Those numbers, while bad, aren't all WWE.  Most of them weren't ever WWE employees and some others were former WWE employees.  They're tossing in guys who died of car accidents and other obvious causes (Yokozuna was 700 freakin pounds).  Not to say the WWE doesn't share actual accountability for the culture but I don't see much they're going to get them on legally.

The latest twist is that they can't find any evidence (outside of the body) that the kid actually had Fragile X.  There is also news that the DEA was investigating Benoit before he died.


EDIT:  just checking today's updates now... wow.  There is no way he was taking this many himself.  He'd be crippled.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #124 on: July 03, 2007, 09:19:20 am »
I wonder if Benoit was supplying other wrestlers?  That would account for the DEA investigation.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2007, 09:31:20 am »
From what I'm seeing at this point, he was tagged as an excessive purchaser, but not (yet?) as a distributor.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if he was giving them out to others.  There are a couple others also IDed as excessive purchasers that could be wrestlers but the names aren't out there yet.


EDIT:  Ooop... one of those two others may be Rey Mysterio.
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« Reply #126 on: July 03, 2007, 10:31:38 am »
EDIT:  Ooop... one of those two others may be Rey Mysterio.

He's been named in the steroids probe a few months ago. I can't believe him of all people would do roids. WTF was he thinking?? I used to be a big fan of his, but when he hit the wwf, I lost interest in him.

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« Reply #127 on: July 03, 2007, 10:45:12 am »

If you look at the size difference between when he was in ECW/WCW and shortly after he hit WWE, it was obvious.  He put on a lot of upper bodyweight very quickly, enough of it that he lost a good amount of the athletic ability that made him the best cruiserweight of his generation.

Plus, a lot of the benefit is healing duration, and Mysterio has been injured a lot.

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« Reply #128 on: July 05, 2007, 04:04:18 pm »
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MSNBC is now reporting on the word within the wrestling industry the past week that Chris Benoit took out a new life insurance policy, found by Nancy, with listed his ex-wife and oldest two children as beneficiaries, and Chris refused to change it when confronted.

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EDIT:  Mark Jindrak's name has surfaced as possibly being in the Doctor's records as well.  That dude was juiced like a grapefruit.
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« Reply #129 on: July 09, 2007, 11:37:50 am »

Now there are reports that the doctor may have been overprescribing for Johnny Grunge... who died last year.

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« Reply #130 on: July 12, 2007, 01:32:40 pm »
any new info out there  :dunno
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« Reply #131 on: July 12, 2007, 01:37:22 pm »

The story really slowed down.  Mostly just the media going on and on about steroids in wrestling and ignoring the ridiculously Ozzy level of recreational drug use, which is what is really killing these guys.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #132 on: July 12, 2007, 03:26:48 pm »

New reported customers of Benoit's doctor:

Lex Luger
Buff Bagwell
Bob Holly

Three BIG guys.

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« Reply #133 on: July 13, 2007, 07:08:24 pm »
The one photo I saw of the doctors office early on showed a pretty dingy nasty office complex ... not the type of place you would expect a Doctor's office.

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« Reply #134 on: July 14, 2007, 04:48:46 am »
I'll agree with Frizzle on that 100 percent....if I made an appointment with this "doctor" and got there to find that....I'd be running the other way, and I'd dare  ANY of you to try and catch me.

To quote Lewis Grizzard, "If that man's a doctor, my dog's a Ph damn D."

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« Reply #135 on: July 16, 2007, 09:01:15 am »
I'll agree with Frizzle on that 100 percent....if I made an appointment with this "doctor" and got there to find that....I'd be running the other way, and I'd dare  ANY of you to try and catch me.

To quote Lewis Grizzard, "If that man's a doctor, my dog's a Ph damn D."

I would bet that the wrestlers in question never actually visited his office. 

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« Reply #136 on: July 16, 2007, 10:12:34 am »

Benoit was there the day before he killed his wife.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #138 on: July 17, 2007, 03:44:09 pm »

What a crappy story.  It leaves out statements made such as "An elevation of that ratio doesn't translate into something abnormal in their behavior" and "the drug levels were at normal therapeutic levels for someone in pain".

What is far more important, IMO, is that they also said that they cannot test for Fragile X post-mortem.  That means we'll never know for sure if the kid had Fragile X.

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« Reply #139 on: July 17, 2007, 04:05:45 pm »
So, after going through reports a bit more, this is what I take out of it as key:

Daniel was sedated when killed with a drug that would never be given a child (Xanax).

Chris was found to have hydrocodone at therapeutic levels.  As a pro wrestler, a standard painkiller is expected.  He was found to have Xanax (antidepressant) at standard levels.  That is to be expected of a man with low testosterone levels.  He was found to have a high enough test-epitest ratio that he had to have been injecting testosterone.  That goes hand in hand with depression and is the expected pattern for someone who had used anabolic steroids over the long haul.  When not taking them, testosterone levels are very low, and injected testosterone is the solution.  Plus he had a prescription for injectable testosterone.  No evidence of "other" steroids or GHB in his urine.

Sounds like he had been off the juice for a while and was dealing with low testosterone, physical pain, and depression.  To me, what this says, is that while the long term use of steroids was a contributory factor, it would be no more of a factor than stress, untreated concussions, exhaustion, possibly Daniel's condition, marital problems, etc... the guy just lost his mind.  Maybe the media will pick that up and go with it but I suspect that they will ignore the story now that they can't spin a sexy steroids bowtie onto it.

There is a secondary issue, though, that may not be as easy to see.  He was getting a ten month supply every 4 weeks... if that wasn't in his body, and wasn't in his house, who was he giving them to?

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« Reply #140 on: July 17, 2007, 09:22:36 pm »
Sounds like he had been off the juice for a while and was dealing with low testosterone, physical pain, and depression.  To me, what this says, is that while the long term use of steroids was a contributory factor, it would be no more of a factor than stress, untreated concussions, exhaustion, possibly Daniel's condition, marital problems, etc... the guy just lost his mind.  Maybe the media will pick that up and go with it but I suspect that they will ignore the story now that they can't spin a sexy steroids bowtie onto it.
Investigators said Tuesday they found steroids and other drugs in the body of pro wrestler Chris Benoit, who killed his wife and young son last month before hanging himself in the family's home.



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« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2007, 09:18:11 am »

Bad reporting.  Read the actual press conference and not summarized reports.

Other drugs:  Xanax and hydrocodone.

Steroids:  no. 
Injected testosterone:  yes.

The two are not the same.

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Re: R.I.P. Rabid Wolverine & Family
« Reply #142 on: September 05, 2007, 12:22:12 pm »

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3560015&page=1

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Bailes and his research team say that this damage was the result of a lifetime of chronic concussions and head trauma suffered while Benoit was in the wrestling ring.

This is what was always my first instinct on this... dude was brain damaged.  It was always obvious his wrestling style was going to kill him eventually... way way way too much self inflicted head and neck trauma.  No one saw coming what actually happened, though.


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« Reply #143 on: September 05, 2007, 12:39:35 pm »
Mental Note:  Stop delivering flying headbutts off the top rope.


An interesting twist on a case that will likely never get the media attention it should. 
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« Reply #144 on: September 05, 2007, 12:42:55 pm »
An interesting twist on a case that will likely never get the media attention it should. 

Do you want more coverage or less?  This latest news has already made it through the cable news channels this morning.

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« Reply #145 on: September 05, 2007, 12:44:10 pm »

I think at least as much as that diving headbutt, the is the result of the fact that he used to take chairshots to the back of the head.  Few wrestlers will allow that.  The Germans didn't help, either, as he slammed the back of his own head down with serious force on every one of them.

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« Reply #146 on: September 05, 2007, 04:34:23 pm »
An interesting twist on a case that will likely never get the media attention it should. 

Do you want more coverage or less?  This latest news has already made it through the cable news channels this morning.


My point exactly.  One readthrough and they're done with it.  Meanwhile, we'll continue to see stories from his "doctor" and the other athletes he's been prescribing various substances to for the next few months.  The real issues of repeated concussions and what they do to the brain will continue to linger on the back burner.  Steroids are the media darling, not concussions.







Unless, of course, Troy Aikman ends up with dementia and kills someone, too.
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« Reply #147 on: September 05, 2007, 05:07:29 pm »
An interesting twist on a case that will likely never get the media attention it should. 

Do you want more coverage or less?  This latest news has already made it through the cable news channels this morning.


My point exactly.  One readthrough and they're done with it.  Meanwhile, we'll continue to see stories from his "doctor" and the other athletes he's been prescribing various substances to for the next few months.  The real issues of repeated concussions and what they do to the brain will continue to linger on the back burner.  Steroids are the media darling, not concussions.







Unless, of course, Troy Aikman ends up with dementia and kills someone, too.

Not the reports I saw today.  They didn't stick with only the steroids issue completely.  There were actually some in depth reports about the concussions and bruising of the brain over a period of time.  So I don't think, at least at this point, that it is all steriods and only steriods.

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« Reply #148 on: September 05, 2007, 05:38:11 pm »

Given the number of guys I've known that were heavily juiced over long periods, and how zero of them have done something like this, I'm still thoroughly convinced it was mostly a product of brain damage combined with the fact that his two best friends died suddenly within a very short span.  He couldn't cope and didn't have the brain capacity to deal.

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« Reply #149 on: September 05, 2007, 07:28:35 pm »
Slowly but surely, concussion syndrome is coming to the forefront of discussion topics in contact sports. The NFL has tried to downplay it for years, but people are paying attention now.

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« Reply #150 on: September 06, 2007, 06:10:12 am »
I believe it is stated above, but while I didn't find it surprising knowing his wrestling style, it stunned me when I heard his brain looked like that of an 85 year old man (I am not a scientist nor a doctor, had no idea that would happen over time). 

That he killed his kid, and Nancy, I do not condone....but knowing this now, how badly destroyed the man's mind was, I will go back to what I said earlier in these posts.  I do feel sorry for the guy at the same time. 

I bring this up again here due to the fact that they say Chris' brain looked like an Alzheimer's patient as well.  I am watching Alzheimer's and Parkinson's eat away at my own father's brain and body as I've said on here, and it's hard.  In addition to this, he lost his middle brother to cancer back in the Spring - Dad is now the last living member of his family and that's got to suck.  Mom is physically unable to take care of him; he just sits and stares out the window of the nursing home when we visit, never calls Mom, my wife, my sister or myself by name....talks about his fear of the kudzu outside his window getting into the building...the only thing that seems to light him up is when we take our daughter to see him (he can recall her name still, it's recent history).  Problem there is I don't want her last memories of her Poppi to be frightful ones.

An example - now our little girl did not notice this, but Dad was going to be helpful and help her blow her balloon back up the other day...and his mouth was trembling so he could not even blow air into the balloon.

I didn't mean to go off thread to that extent, nor imply that we're the only family to ever go through this.  Just been a hard year around here.

So to wrap it up and try to bring it back on course, for those of you who condemned him to hell without knowing the amount of brain damage, I don't resent what you said - he did kill his child.  Knowing, however, that dementia had set in - in all probability - I will say again while I don't condone what he did  I do feel sorry for him in a way....because in all likelihood, at that moment in time, he did not have the mental capacity to even realize what he was doing....he just snapped.