Author Topic: Wii games to stay away from (Read 14062 times)

tommy · « **on:** December 21, 2006, 08:30:48 pm »

I bought Need for Speed Carbon the other day, what a horrible controlling game. I'm not new to the NFS series and believe me when i say it doesn't control worth a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. The game seems like it was half-assed ported to the Wii from the 360, stay away from it!!

After that i traded it for Excite Truck and the difference was night and day.

shmokes · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2006, 01:14:21 am »

I've played quite a bit of ExciteTruck. It's not very good. Please do not take Tommy's advice. Comparing an absolute piece of mediocrity with a piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- doesn't elevate the mediocrity at all. Compare ExciteTruck with truly good racing games and the difference is going to be just as stark as that between NFS Carbon. It's barely worth a rental, and only then if there are no better games to rent that you aren't already bored with.

tommy · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2006, 01:59:25 am »

Maybe you did not read the thread title and my post

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Quote from: tommy link=topic=61358.msg607818#msg607818

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Need for Speed Carbon, what a horrible controlling game.believe me when i say it doesn't control worth a ---Cleveland steamer---.

After that i traded it for Excite Truck and the difference was night and day.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2006, 12:14:23 am »

I've played the demo for Excite Truck and I thought it was one of the better driving games. I'm not a big fan of the ultra-realistic racers, though. I like the whole boosting/jumps/points thing. Any other racing game (in my mind) is just going in a circle. Excite Truck is a very different kind of game in my mind. I find it hard to compare it with other racers (for better or for worse).

tommy · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2006, 11:10:54 pm »

Quote from: AlanS17 on December 23, 2006, 12:14:23 am

I find it hard to compare it with other racers (for better or for worse).

I was comparing one car game to the other, i know they are two different kinds of games but after playing both, the common thing is easy to see... one controles spot on and the other does not.

ClubNinja · « **Reply #5 on:** December 24, 2006, 09:33:22 am »

For a second opinion:

- Excite Truck is a ton of fun. If you're looking for realistic racing, it's not your game. If you're looking for a good time, it's wonderful.

- NFS: Carbon on the Wii sucks. It's the only Wii game that I've bought so far that I packed and got rid of after one play.

RTSDaddy2 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 29, 2006, 05:47:45 pm »

I've heard many good things about "Trauma Center: Second Opinion", but I found it rather stressful so far (rented a copy). Frustration surrounds myself and Elebits right now...I can't decide if I like it or not. The critters are cute, but that time limit thing, and an inability to open certain doors at critical times, makes me wonder if it's past my tolerance level also.

somunny · « **Reply #7 on:** December 29, 2006, 11:15:58 pm »

Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on December 29, 2006, 05:47:45 pm

I've heard many good things about "Trauma Center: Second Opinion", but I found it rather stressful so far (rented a copy). Frustration surrounds myself and Elebits right now...I can't decide if I like it or not. The critters are cute, but that time limit thing, and an inability to open certain doors at critical times, makes me wonder if it's past my tolerance level also.

One thing to mention about Trauma Center; It's basically a rehash of the DS game. If you have that version, you may want to think twice about purchasing the Wii version.

I try to be practical like RTS and do my research before buying a game but I still manage to pick up a loser once in a while. Blazing Angels for the 360 is a good example.

tommy · « **Reply #8 on:** December 29, 2006, 11:22:05 pm »

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I try to be practical like RTS and do my research before buying a game but I still manage to pick up a loser once in a while. Blazing Angels for the 360 is a good example.

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Aw, i was looking to pickup BA for the Wii, there just are not very many good fighter pilot games around anymore.

I had a good time playing Ace Combat 4 for the PS2, after that i really have not found another good game in that area.

Hopfully Blazing Angels will be a fun game for the Wii atleast, not likely though after you say it was bad for the 360 and it will be just a port to the Wii.

tommy · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2006, 02:52:50 am »

Quote from: RTSDaddy2 on December 29, 2006, 05:47:45 pm

I've heard many good things about "Trauma Center: Second Opinion", but I found it rather stressful so far (rented a copy). Frustration surrounds myself and Elebits right now...I can't decide if I like it or not. The critters are cute, but that time limit thing, and an inability to open certain doors at critical times, makes me wonder if it's past my tolerance level also.

I didn't want this thread to be about frustrating games or games that maybe were too hard for some players (not that i know that as i have never played the games you are talking about).

I was just talking about games such as Carbon that controls like crap and was rushed and barely took into consideration making the game take full advantage of the Wii-mote.

Having a game already made for a last gen console and then throwing it together quickly just to have a game on the Wii just for the sake of being able to say they have a title on the Wii is not my idea of a game worth buying, not my idea of a devs game i would consider buying in the future.

The game should really be pulled from shelves as it is a complete waste of time and money.

shmokes · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2006, 10:14:35 am »

Quote from: tommy on December 30, 2006, 02:52:50 am

I didn't want this thread to be about frustrating games or games that maybe were too hard for some players (not that i know that as i have never played the games you are talking about).

Hmm . . . perhaps we could PM you with our posts ahead of time for approval.

Quote from: tommy on December 30, 2006, 02:52:50 am

Having a game already made for a last gen console and then throwing it together quickly just to have a game on the Wii just for the sake of being able to say they have a title on the Wii is not my idea of a game worth buying, not my idea of a devs game i would consider buying in the future.

The game should really be pulled from shelves as it is a complete waste of time and money.

*cough* Legend of Zelda *cough* LMAO

AlanS17 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2006, 03:56:07 pm »

I just bought Super Monkey Ball, and some of the mini games play much better than others. Some are perfect while some are almost completely unplayable. I feel that it relies way to much on the non-precise gyroscopic movements when a lot of the same things could have been accomplished through the infrared sensors. Even menu navigation takes some getting used to.

With 50 mini-games to choose from, I guess they couldn't all be winners. Even still some are virtually unplayable. I don't know why they bothered.

Is Rayman Raving Rabbids any better? I'm not above trading this one in.

Daniel270 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2006, 04:38:47 pm »

I've got Rayman Raving Rabbids and it's pretty popular here..... the various mini-games seem to keep the neighbors' kids occupied when they come by....lol.

tommy · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2006, 06:09:52 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on December 30, 2006, 10:14:35 am

Quote from: tommy on December 30, 2006, 02:52:50 am

I didn't want this thread to be about frustrating games or games that maybe were too hard for some players (not that i know that as i have never played the games you are talking about).

Hmm . . . perhaps we could PM you with our posts ahead of time for approval.

Quote from: tommy on December 30, 2006, 02:52:50 am

Having a game already made for a last gen console and then throwing it together quickly just to have a game on the Wii just for the sake of being able to say they have a title on the Wii is not my idea of a game worth buying, not my idea of a devs game i would consider buying in the future.

The game should really be pulled from shelves as it is a complete waste of time and money.

*cough* Legend of Zelda *cough* LMAO

I have no problem with you PMing me before each post so i can verify that it is worthy of being seen by others.

Zelda controls good is the difference.

RTSDaddy2 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2006, 07:31:32 pm »

Shmokes took the words out of my mouth (thank god for people like him who keep me from coming across as a total

).

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Howard_Casto · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2006, 08:29:01 pm »

Excite Truck is the best racing game I've played in ages. That is if you understand that it is NOT a sim game and is styled after excite bike. Controls are excellent, it is easy to pick up but you can do a lot with it once you practice. The fact that it is not very complicated is what makes it fun. You can drift, but the tracks aren't designed so that you don't have to. You can do tricks, but they aren't necessary to enjoy the game. The game looks really good too. I don't know why everyone gives the graphics on this game such a hard time. Mind you they aren't being pumped out at 1080i but the environments have been given a fairly realistic look. This is more impressive given teh fact that they are outdoor envionments. Most of these "next gen" racers are on city scapes, and even the good old classic xbox can do city scapes well, outdoor environments are infinately harder to pull off.

As for those of you who DO like racing sims... here's an idea, go drive a car... just like driving a real car, racing sims are only fun if you are 16 and just got your liscense.

On the other hand, I've never considered any of the NFS games to be anything more than a rather average (read forgettable) arcade style racer. Anyone who buys a NFS game on any system threw their money away just by buying a game with NFS in the title.

The only disappointment I've ran into on the wii so far is super monkey ball. The game is good, but the way you hold the controller like a remote makes it akward to tilt for steering. The game would have been three times as good if you held the wiimote in a racing configuration, which makes it much easier to steer left and right.

And of course any of the liscensed games (games based off of a movie or tv) those are always crap. It's a simple rule of thumb.... if nintendo has a game in your genre and there are other choices, go with the one nintendo made. So ignore 4x4 NFS and the others on the wii and just get excite truck.

tommy · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2006, 09:30:05 pm »

I agree Excite Truck is a good fun game, the only knock is that it could have had more extra details to make the game last alot longer to give it more depth.

I'm sure ET 2 will have alot more to offer. Still a good game to pickup.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2006, 09:44:56 pm »

one more thing... i just noticed schmokes zelda comment.....

If you prefer zelda on the gamecube in 3:4 aspect with the primative analog sticks for doing precise aiming then I have ~~some swamp land in florida~~ ... err ~~a copy of red steel~~ ... err a ps3 complete with gundam to sell you.

My only complaint about zelda is that there is no left-handed option... they flipped the whole game so righties would be happy. I find this ironic considering the father of zelda is now going to have difficulty playing zelda. (Miyamoto is a leftie)

hypernova · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2006, 10:56:12 pm »

Link himself would have trouble, as he's a lefty too.

Thank goodness I'm not a lefty.

SithMaster · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2006, 11:07:12 pm »

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It's a simple rule of thumb

hold on the star wars license has had some good games. though i guess if the release so many a few would have to be good.

it has been a few weeks and now the joysticks have become primitive? what about gamers that play for hours wouldnt their arms get tired? of course your supposed to take breaks while playing for a certain number of hours but who really follows this idea.

the lefty thing is just stupid. wasnt it designed to appeal to everyone.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #20 on:** December 31, 2006, 03:23:20 am »

Yeah but that isn't exactly what I meant.

Let's say you want to buy a racing game and you have one by nintendo, one by sega and one by ubisoft. The nintendo one is almost always going to be a safe choice because in-house games rarely suck on a nintendo console. The only exception I can think of is the mario party games, but some people sware by them so it might just be me. Of course if you look at the other party games available, mario party is always the best choice. (Muppets is the only other party game I can think of and it sucked.)

If you meant my crack at the liscensed games though if you'll notice there aren't any star wars games on the wii lineup, it is all obscure anime or kids shows/movies. While some of them are actually very well done, the gameplay doesn't exactly appeal to someone our age, which is why they are crap to me (and probably you).

Once you get ahold of the wii controller you realize how stupid you've been for using dual analog sticks all these years. I have a real hard time playing traditional games now, not because I've forgotten how, but because it kinda feels like going back and playing a game on a nes controller, playable but akward and outdated. Remember nothing impresses me either, I hate everything.

I haven't really had any trouble with my arms getting tired. The only game that really needs big "stand up" movements is wii sports, and it isn't designed to be played hours on end.

I've played zelda in 8 hour sittings and haven't been the least bit tired. It takes very little to slash the sword in zelda and that isn't even used that often. Most of the weapons use the wiimote as a cursor so it isn't hard on the arms at all.

I agree, the lefty thing is stupid, but since gaming consoles have NEVER been accomidating to us lefties, I am used to it. On the other hand, this could have easily been fixed since now the controller is split into two hand-held parts. All that would have been required was a option in the settings that mirrored all of link's animations.

SithMaster · « **Reply #21 on:** December 31, 2006, 03:37:00 pm »

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Remember nothing impresses me either, I hate everything.

alright i get you now and as far as i can tell your right nintendo games are the safe bet i cant really think of a bad nintendo game except for the mario party games. and kids movie games are all the same. its like there is a movie game engine and all the companies use it when they make the games.

it seems it would be nice for an fps to come out for it (a decent one) it could be the new console keyboard.

does the wii have patches? maybe something can be released to allow the mirrior function. wait the sensor bar requires you to hold it as if you were a righty?

versapak · « **Reply #22 on:** December 31, 2006, 03:49:37 pm »

Quote from: SithMaster on December 31, 2006, 03:37:00 pm

does the wii have patches? maybe something can be released to allow the mirrior function. wait the sensor bar requires you to hold it as if you were a righty?

I doubt they would patch it, if the Wii even has that sort of functionality.

I don't get why they didn't have the left/right handed switching in the first place though.

I am right handed, so as it is I am perfectly happy with it, but just the simple fact that there is a completely left handed version of the game out there (in the gamecube version everything is still classic left handed Link)... It just seems silly that they wouldn't have made it an option. Especially given the most obvious ambidextrous nature of the Wii control set up.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #23 on:** December 31, 2006, 04:49:24 pm »

Quote from: SithMaster on December 31, 2006, 03:37:00 pm

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Remember nothing impresses me either, I hate everything.

does the wii have patches? maybe something can be released to allow the mirrior function. wait the sensor bar requires you to hold it as if you were a righty?

The wii does have game patching capability, but I agree with versapak in that they'll never path it.
You can hold the wiimote in either hand, but since link's sword is in his right hand (which is just plain wrong, he's the most famous south-paw in video game history) it makes it akward to slash the sword.

Felsir · « **Reply #24 on:** January 03, 2007, 05:47:34 am »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on December 31, 2006, 03:23:20 am

I agree, the lefty thing is stupid, but since gaming consoles have NEVER been accomidating to us lefties, I am used to it. On the other hand, this could have easily been fixed since now the controller is split into two hand-held parts. All that would have been required was a option in the settings that mirrored all of link's animations.

AFAIK, in the Cube version Link is still left handed and not just the animations but the entire gameworld geometry is mirrored. To quote Miyamoto in an interview: "Although Link is left-handed, at E3 we noticed people seemed to be using the right Wii controller to swing his sword. That's why we decided to make Link right-handed. The interesting this is, on the GameCube Link is still left-handed; because of the mirror mode the game map is reversed."

shmokes · « **Reply #25 on:** January 03, 2007, 03:07:38 pm »

Quote from: Howard_Casto on December 30, 2006, 09:44:56 pm

one more thing... i just noticed schmokes zelda comment.....

No. I'd much prefer Zelda on the Wii, seeing as I have a widescreen TV and aiming weapons such as the boomerang, slingshot, and bow/arrow is much more intuitive with the Wii remote than it would be with an analog stick (though the sword slashing implementation is retarded and should have been mapped to A, just as it was when it was first playable at E3).

I was just pointing out Zelda because it fit Tommy's description to a T of a game that "should really be pulled from shelves as it is a complete waste of time and money." Surely you can see the comedy there.

rampy · « **Reply #26 on:** January 03, 2007, 03:23:14 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on January 03, 2007, 03:07:38 pm

No. I'd much prefer Zelda on the Wii, seeing as I have a widescreen TV and aiming weapons such as the boomerang, slingshot, and bow/arrow is much more intuitive with the Wii remote than it would be with an analog stick (though the sword slashing implementation is retarded and should have been mapped to A, just as it was when it was first playable at E3).

I kinda feel the same way about the sword slashing gestures... since it's not like a realtime mapping of slashes, I'd much rather press "A" than jiggle the wiimote around.

rampy · « **Reply #27 on:** January 03, 2007, 04:11:54 pm »

I think we should stay away from the "I'm rick james wii slapfest game...

tommy · « **Reply #28 on:** January 03, 2007, 05:50:22 pm »

Quote from: shmokes on January 03, 2007, 03:07:38 pm

I was just pointing out Zelda because it fit Tommy's description to a T of a game that "should really be pulled from shelves as it is a complete waste of time and money." Surely you can see the comedy there.

Do you always take peoples comments out of context to make your comment valid in your own mind?

shmokes · « **Reply #29 on:** January 03, 2007, 07:44:10 pm »

No, not always. For example, earlier, you described EA's behavior with NFS when they took a game made specifically for a last gen console and did nothing but slap on some Wii-centric controlls and pass it off as a Wii game. One instance where I took someone's words at face value and not out of context was when I pointed out that EA's behavior EXACTLY mirrored Nintendo's behavior with Twilight Princess. To a T, so to speak.

The only difference between what EA did and what Nintendo did is that EA took a crappy last-gen game and released it on the Wii, while Nintendo took a fantastic last-gen game and released it on the Wii.

Also . . . don't be a baby. The correct response to the extremely gentle ribbing I gave you back there over your EA reprimand was to chuckle and say, "Heh, oh yeah . . ." and perhaps tack on a smiley of some kind for good measure. You're going to give yourself ulsers.

tommy · « **Reply #30 on:** January 03, 2007, 09:08:30 pm »

I like that comment, very amusing in some parts.

Maybe i can see where you went wrong, although both games were made for last gen consoles... Zelda is worth playing and controls well, NFS is solely controled by the Wii-mote like Excite Truck is, and is not playable what so ever.

Don't confuse two last gen games made for next gen consoles that are so different i could puke up a better driving game for the Wii but could never dream of a better adventure game being made.

Howard_Casto · « **Reply #31 on:** January 04, 2007, 12:08:19 am »

Quote from: rampy on January 03, 2007, 03:23:14 pm

Quote from: shmokes on January 03, 2007, 03:07:38 pm

No. I'd much prefer Zelda on the Wii, seeing as I have a widescreen TV and aiming weapons such as the boomerang, slingshot, and bow/arrow is much more intuitive with the Wii remote than it would be with an analog stick (though the sword slashing implementation is retarded and should have been mapped to A, just as it was when it was first playable at E3).

I kinda feel the same way about the sword slashing gestures... since it's not like a realtime mapping of slashes, I'd much rather press "A" than jiggle the wiimote around.

It is actually... to kill 90% of the monsters you'll encounter just z-lock and press A to do an auto-slash. I think the problem with the slashing system is that you can't adjust the sensitivity. They expect people to be standing up and swining the damn thing with all their might. Zelda has over 60 hours of gameplay, so I don't think so.

Regarding the comparison though, it still isn't a fair one. Zelda started as a gamecube game, but they threw out half of the game and redesigned it from scratch to take advantage of the wii when it became clear that the gamecube would be dead by the time it came out. They kept the gamecube-quality graphics, but that was about it. (Well documented from interviews) So if anything it is a wii game that will also play on the gamecube, not the other way around. I knew you were ribbing the poor guy but that was my point.

I'm interested in seeing what midway does with mk armageddon and the wii controls. That game totally sucks, but a new control scheme might save it. Considering they are waiting 5 months for a launch they might take the time to fix it.

Unrealated note... do you guys think that the nintendo teams are running out of ideas? it seems that gameplay wise zelda, metroid and mario are all slowly becoming the same game. Look at link's boomerang, grappling hook and new targeting system also look at how mario gets around in sunshine. Basically metroid is now "Mario with guns" and Zelda is "Mario without jumps." Not that I'm complaining mind you, but they all used to be very distinct games.

Felsir · « **Reply #32 on:** January 04, 2007, 05:26:34 am »

Possibly they are very similar in many ways, but there are distinct differences that make Metroid a Metroid game. Metroid is about exploring, getting new weapons only serves to get to new places. Zelda is very story driven, while Mario is level driven. These are the core elements of those games.

It is also what players expect nowadays: if Metroid wasn't able to jump, players would moan about how unrealistic/stupid it is for Samus being able to do all these things and not able to cross a small gap. So if a game has a character running in a 3D world it is bound to be able to jump. If a game has creatures in it, most of the times players will have a gun/rocketlauncher/granade/laserbeam/sword to kill it. This are things to be expected, but Zelda, Mario and Metroid are not the same simply because those elements are in those games.

On the topic of Wii and GC graphics. The Wii is basically a beefed up GC. When they said they redesigned Zelda for the Wii they meant "we took the GC Zelda and made it to take full advantage of the Wii (redesigning parts where nessecary)".
Nintendo didn't design a new console, they looked how they can attract a new player base and only slightly improve the GC. They had different priorities than Sony and Microsoft. I guess Nintendo figured they can't win from Sony and Microsoft based on hardware so they looked for a new target audience. I think they succeeded. Based on console power and hardcore game audience they were in 3rd place for a long time. They couldn't win the console war so they decided not to take part in it.
The Wii will have similar graphics to GC games, which are IMHO quite nice if the designers/programmers take advantage of it. FF Crystal Chronicles looks breathtaking, Metroid Prime looks great even Starfox Adventures has great scenary. It's just not HDTV resolution stuff.

mahuti · « **Reply #33 on:** January 04, 2007, 02:53:06 pm »

Just to add my 2¢. I bought monster 4x4. It was mildly fun, and the controls worked well... probably too well, since I beat it in 45 minutes flat. It felt like driving my car around town.... when I was 16.

Excite truck handles very well, but I still have a tough time getting the trucks to spin more than once in the air... I do it sometimes, but not very consistently. I also have some real problems getting strait up some of the ramps sometimes. All in all though, not TOO frustrating. Mostly fun.

Rayman Raving Rabbids is perfect. EXCEPT for the lack of lefty control. In almost every game it doesn't matter whether you use Left or Right hand, except for the dance-dance "shake your booty" type games. Most of the time, I hold the wiimote in my left hand, and when I get to the dance games, I forget and screw up for the first few beats until I switch.

Some of the monkeyball mini games are great and some suck. On the whole, for mini-games, Rayman is MUCH better, though.

Samstag · « **Reply #34 on:** January 04, 2007, 04:07:40 pm »

Quote from: mahuti on January 04, 2007, 02:53:06 pm

Some of the monkeyball mini games are great and some suck. On the whole, for mini-games, Rayman is MUCH better, though.

At the risk of bringing this discussion back on topic (sorry for not checking with you first, Tommy!), I'd like to add Super Monkey Ball to the list of games to avoid. I'm pretty disappointed in it even as a rental. While a couple of the mini games are very cool (darts, 3D lunar lander, uh..... etc?) most of them really stink. While many of them are playable if you put the effort in to master the wonky controls, for the most part you can't just sit down and play any random game without a lot of frustration for anyone who hasn't mastered it.

And unfortunately, the few games I really like are all so easy there's little challenge (it usually takes me exactly 7 darts to get to 301).

The single-player main game is so-so. If you like the previous versions, this one is improved but very short. It's the only thing worth playing more than an hour or two.

rampy · « **Reply #35 on:** January 04, 2007, 04:31:57 pm »

wii Darts?! they should have come up with and put that in the upcoming wiiplay (darn!)

Samstag · « **Reply #36 on:** January 04, 2007, 05:28:08 pm »

Quote from: rampy on January 04, 2007, 04:31:57 pm

wii Darts?! they should have come up with and put that in the upcoming wiiplay (darn!)

Yeah when I first played it I thought "this is what the Wii was made for!"

I really hope someone comes along with a better implementation. Throwing endless bullseyes is only fun the first 10 or so times.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 04, 2007, 07:39:12 pm »

Quote from: Samstag on January 04, 2007, 05:28:08 pm

I really hope someone comes along with a better implementation. Throwing endless bullseyes is only fun the first 10 or so times.

I only did it once and I was so proud of myself.

SithMaster · « **Reply #38 on:** January 04, 2007, 09:15:39 pm »

has anyone here read the gamers manifesto? it would be nice for something really innovative rather than the same kind of games over and over. really how many times did we have to save peach from bowser or another enemy?

Samstag · « **Reply #39 on:** January 04, 2007, 09:42:27 pm »

Quote from: AlanS17 on January 04, 2007, 07:39:12 pm

Quote from: Samstag on January 04, 2007, 05:28:08 pm

I really hope someone comes along with a better implementation. Throwing endless bullseyes is only fun the first 10 or so times.

I only did it once and I was so proud of myself.

Really? I suck at real darts, so I figured if I can do it, it's too easy. Maybe I'll see if I can record a long bullseye run and post it.


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