Plz Suggest me [hardware]

[ahmer]

Hello Friends...

I am trying to Make 4 Individual Cabs,each of them including Only specific games...

I will Configure it with WidowsXp and MameWah...

1)Cab 1 [Super Pang, Pang 3 ]
2)Cab 2 [Metal Slug all Series]
3)Cab 3 [Streat Fighter all series] Only Classic series...
4)Cab 4 [Aero Fighter 2 , Phisilic Isle 2, Spin Master]

I have 4 PC's with 400 Mhz Processor and 128 MB Ram...

Is it Enough Hardware Specs for those games???

Please Suggest me about Hardware Specs and the accurate MAME version for Them....

Thanks in Advance...

[ahmer]

Help me Guys....

Hurry up ...

[phantax]

I don't think that hardware with XP and the limited ram will pull off the Metal Slugs or Street Fighter. I get regular slowdowns on Metal Slug X when a lot of characters are on the screen with a 1.4ghz with 512 ram.

[ahmer]

I don't think that hardware with XP and the limited ram will pull off the Metal Slugs or Street Fighter. I get regular slowdowns on Metal Slug X when a lot of characters are on the screen with a 1.4ghz with 512 ram.

If you stick with a Latest version of Mame,In this case u are right...
I almost did a Perfect setup with WinXp[Tweak]a 700 Mhz with 128 Mb Ram...

I have several choices to Pick an Old version of Mame for Particular Cab...
Can any one justify the answer...

[Howard_Casto]

Hello Friends...

I am trying to Make 4 Individual Cabs,each of them including Only specific games...

I will Configure it with WidowsXp and MameWah...

1)Cab 1 [Super Pang, Pang 3 ]
2)Cab 2 [Metal Slug all Series]
3)Cab 3 [Streat Fighter all series] Only Classic series...
4)Cab 4 [Aero Fighter 2 , Phisilic Isle 2, Spin Master]

I have 4 PC's with 400 Mhz Processor and 128 MB Ram...

Is it Enough Hardware Specs for those games???

Please Suggest me about Hardware Specs and the accurate MAME version for Them....

Thanks in Advance...

What the others said about the hardware.  But I think the reason no one has really replied is because your plan doesn't make any sense. 

The metal slug series aero fighter, spin master and pre isle 2 all ran on a mvs cabinet.  An IDENTICAL mvs cabinet. 

Pang, and Street Fighter Also can on identical dynamo cabs, the only difference being that operators would remove the top row of buttons for pang. 


The whole idea of mame is that you don't waste space by having a cab for each game and can run several games on each cab.  You could run all of those games on the same cab, and if you don't wish to do that, well most of those pcbs can be purchased fairly cheapely.  Considering you'd have to upgade each pc for nearly every one of those games to run you might come off to the good just buying the real hardware.  The exception being the metal slugs of course, those are expensive.

[ahmer]

Thanks for Highlighting the good Points...

I have Compile MameV0.73 Including Latest Neogeo + (Decrypted) Roms sets.
I know [Decrypted]Roms Loads very quickly and Runs a bit faster...

So what do you think if I put a long List of games just in a single CAB.

How much Processor Speed + Ram should be Fine...

I have seen many Neogeo games on a 500 MHZ + 128 MB Ram on my Cousins computer...
Unfortunately I can't beat him because he knows very well about LINUX setup with AdvanceMenu and AdvanceMame....

[Howard_Casto]

You've seen many early neogeo games that run on 128 megs. 

Here's the deal.  When mame (or any other emu for that matter) loads a rom, the entire rom is put into memory.  Some of the metal slug roms are 70-80 megs.  You only have 128 megs of ram in these computers and xp takes a considerable amount that it uses all the time.  Plus mame itself takes around 15 megs of memory.  That leaves a puny 30 megs for xp to run on.  What'll happen is either it'll either run ungodly slow, or mame will give you an out of memory error (or just plain lock up) and it won't run at all. 

The latter is usually what happens. 

Even if by some miracle you were to tweak xp to overcome those obstacles, it'd require heavy use of virtual memory, which means you can literally go get a sandwich and watch tv while metal slug is loading and come back and still have time to stare at the screen a little. 



I'm not saying you can't run the mslug games on a computer with 128 megs of ram, you just probably can't do it while running xp on that computer. 

[NightGod]

I personally wouldn't even load XP on a machine with less than 256 MB of RAM (in fact, I have actually refused to do so in the past, despite it being a paying customer who asked). Ideally I wouldn't use XP on anything less than 512MB of RAM.

That said...you could take all 4 of those 128MB sticks of memory and make one machine with 512 or two with 256, either of which would be ALOT better than trying to run on 128MB.

[ahmer]

You've seen many early neogeo games that run on 128 megs. 

Here's the deal.  When mame (or any other emu for that matter) loads a rom, the entire rom is put into memory.  Some of the metal slug roms are 70-80 megs.  You only have 128 megs of ram in these computers and xp takes a considerable amount that it uses all the time.  Plus mame itself takes around 15 megs of memory.  That leaves a puny 30 megs for xp to run on.  What'll happen is either it'll either run ungodly slow, or mame will give you an out of memory error (or just plain lock up) and it won't run at all. 

The latter is usually what happens. 

Even if by some miracle you were to tweak xp to overcome those obstacles, it'd require heavy use of virtual memory, which means you can literally go get a sandwich and watch tv while metal slug is loading and come back and still have time to stare at the screen a little. 

I'm not saying you can't run the mslug games on a computer with 128 megs of ram, you just probably can't do it while running xp on that computer. 

Very Nice Reply as I expected...

Should I Stick with Windows98 on that limeted Hardware specs?
Minwah told me that Mamewah Runs better On Xp thats why I was thinking about it...
There is a great way to Disable Unwanted XP services for Super Tweak Mame and Mamwah...

Don't you think that Tweak WinXp is More Better than Win98?

Can I make Mamewah as Windows98 Shell ?

[gamecreature]

Can I make Mamewah as Windows98 Shell ?

You can make any executable a Windows Shell.

[gonzo90017]

It's more than enough. Stick with xp unless you can find 98 drivers for you're stuff which shouldn't be to hard. They should all run full speed or close to it with little to no frameskip. You're are just using the wrong emulator.

SUPER PANG = RAINE  PANG3 = WINKAWAKS OR RAINE
METAL SLUG = WINKAWAKS
STREET FIGHTER = WINKAWAKS
AERO FIGHTERS 2, PREISLE 2, SPIN MASTER = DID I MENTION WINKAWAKS?

And if you're looking to compile something start with NMAME XII http://www.zophar.net/mame.html this is the only special version of mame which I found could run neogeo games at full speed or close to it with that type of hardware. The reason you would need to compile it is because it only goes up to metal slug X.

[ahmer]

It's more than enough. Stick with xp unless you can find 98 drivers for you're stuff which shouldn't be to hard.

I know it is not Enough...I don't have any Problem with win98 drivers...

They should all run full speed or close to it with little to no frameskip. You're are just using the wrong emulator.
SUPER PANG = RAINE  PANG3 = WINKAWAKS OR RAINE
METAL SLUG = WINKAWAKS
STREET FIGHTER = WINKAWAKS
AERO FIGHTERS 2, PREISLE 2, SPIN MASTER = DID I MENTION WINKAWAKS?

And if you're looking to compile something start with NMAME XII http://www.zophar.net/mame.html this is the only special version of mame which I found could run neogeo games at full speed or close to it with that type of hardware. The reason you would need to compile it is because it only goes up to metal slug X.

Thanks for this suggestion...
One thing I want to tell you that [Raine,Winkawaks,Nebula]all of them used Decrypted Roms for neogeo games....
Decrypted Drivers almost Half of the Original Rom size....You Can't afford Kof2000 Rom to Play with Mame on a slower Computer...But the Same Game On different emulator Runs fine on it...This is just becoz Mame uses the Original Board Setup for Neogeo Emulation and Other Emulator uses the Decrypted short size Rom,which Loads and Runs a bit faster....

I already Added winKawaks Rom Collection in Mame...Mame by default does not support Decrypted Neogeo Drivers any More....
So it is easy for Me to Compile any specific Version of Mame which Included all Neogeo Drivers...
I have Three self Builts...[mameV0.73 , mameV0.84 , mameV0.95]

One Problem Still Come in my mind is choose the appropriate Operating System...

Some People says that WindowXp with [BlackViper]Power Tweaks will runs more Smooth while the Others are telling about Windows98...

Please tell me that Does a Super Tweak WindowsXp runs uses Limited Cpu and Ram resources as Compared with Win98...?

[gonzo90017]

It's more than enough. I stand by my statement.

First Raine isn't a neogeo emulator.
Secont Nebula won't run games full speed with that setup. Winkawaks is the only way to go. It'll run those games at full speed. You can compile all you wan't but winkawaks will still run faster. Believe me i've tried running them on a 400mhz celeron, went back as far as .55 and .37 if i'm not mistaken? No dice.

As for the OS part. I would go with 98. It uses less resources. And with hardware that old and it's easy to find drivers. But it crashes alot. If you wan't to go with xp like I did I would use Nlite http://www.nliteos.com/ to strip all the unnecessary stuff. The reason I went with xp and not 98 is because I couldn't get joytokey or joytomouse working within mamewah or was it gamelauncher?

[ahmer]

It's more than enough. I stand by my statement.

First Raine isn't a neogeo emulator.
Secont Nebula won't run games full speed with that setup. Winkawaks is the only way to go. It'll run those games at full speed. You can compile all you wan't but winkawaks will still run faster. Believe me i've tried running them on a 400mhz celeron, went back as far as .55 and .37 if i'm not mistaken? No dice.

I ill try WinKawaks...Does it supports to Configure with Mamewah...?

As for the OS part. I would go with 98. It uses less resources. And with hardware that old and it's easy to find drivers. But it crashes alot. If you wan't to go with xp like I did I would use Nlite http://www.nliteos.com/ to strip all the unnecessary stuff. The reason I went with xp and not 98 is because I couldn't get joytokey or joytomouse working within mamewah or was it gamelauncher?

Yeah I know the Power of Nlite Utility to CutOff WindowsXP source files...
I triead it 1 year ago...I almost Do the best things to Reduce Xp and when I Burn the ISO then XP setup gave a lot of *.sys files Not found Errors....

Do you have your Project file which you used....If you have then please share it...I will be very thankfull to you...

[gonzo90017]

You need a wrapper for winkawaks. I've attached both the wrapper and my Last Session for Nlite. This is what your ini file should look like in mamewah. You have to install it in the same folder as winkawaks. Now right click on Kawaks.bat and click on edit. Change it to reflect your path. The only problem is you still need to press enter before you exit. It works for me since i'm using a usb pad along with joytokey where you can assing multiple key presses to one button. With nlite you have to install TweakUi to for autologon when setting up xp as a shell. Make sure you rename Winkawaks Wrapper.JPG to Winkawaks Wrappers.zip since that was the only way to upload it. And Last Session.txt to Last Session.ini

### Kawaks.ini (mamewah v1.61) ###

emulator_title                            Kawaks

### List Generation Settings ###
rom_path                                  H:\Winkawaks\NeoGeo
rom_extension                             zip
dat_file                                 
nms_file                                 
catver_ini_file                           
list_generation_method                    rom_folder

### Execution Settings ###
emulator_executable                       H:\Winkawaks\cmd-launch7.exe
commandline_format                        [name]{nodosbox}{safelaunch}
alt_commandline_format_1                  [name]{autodosbox}{nosafelaunch}
alt_commandline_format_2                  [name]{autodosbox}{nosafelaunch}
game_specific_config_path                 

### Artwork Locations ###
artwork_1_image_path                     
artwork_2_image_path                     
artwork_3_image_path                     
artwork_4_image_path                     
artwork_5_image_path                     
artwork_6_image_path                     
artwork_7_image_path                     
artwork_8_image_path                     
artwork_9_image_path                     
artwork_10_image_path                     
movie_preview_path                       
movie_artwork_no                          1

### Screen-Saver Settings ###
enable_music_in_screensaver               1
saver_type                                slideshow
movie_path                               
movie_fullscreen                          1
quit_delay                                30
wrapper_executable                       
wrapper_commandline_format                [name]{nodosbox}{nosafelaunch}
scr_file                                 

### External Application Settings ###
ipc_file_or_path                         
app_1_executable                         
app_1_commandline_format                 
app_2_executable                         
app_2_commandline_format                 
app_3_executable                         
app_3_commandline_format                 
auto_launch_apps                         

### Additional Settings ###
music_path                               
lcd_display_file_path                     
lcd_fe_text                               

### Settings used by MAMEWAH ###
current_list                              0
 

[ahmer]

Thanks You Very Much...gonzo...

This is the very first time i have seen people themselves helping other people...Here every One just provide a Link or Pass his comments....

btw...what will be the size of ISO file?One thing I would like to ask you about the WindowsXP SERVICES....Nlite provide a Nice way to DISABLE all unwanted services...According to BLACKVIPER.COM there are Only 8 essential Services in windowsXP is called Power Tweak...
The Last session.ini file Configure with POWER TWEAK...?

I don't need to Install TweakUi for AutoLogin Mamewah as a Shell...
I already did all Menually ....

thanks again...

[gonzo90017]

You're welcome. I know what you mean.

Anyways, I got mine down to 250mb because it was the SP2 version. Without it you might be able to get it down to 150mb.

I'm not familiar with power tweak. All the disable services were from years of research.

[ahmer]

You're welcome. I know what you mean.

Anyways, I got mine down to 250mb because it was the SP2 version. Without it you might be able to get it down to 150mb.

I'm not familiar with power tweak. All the disable services were from years of research.

Power Tweak is just nothing but DISABLING Most Unwanted XP services....
Black viper.com defines it as [Bare Bones Configuration]...
Thats why i asked you...
http://web.archive.org/web/20050401044922/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm
I think that setup will be fine for Using XP in a Cab...

One More quesion i would like to ask...

Do I need Step 5 , Step 10 and Step 11 after nlite xp...
I am giving u link...plz check it..
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=53467.0

Kawaks Wrapper did nt extract when i Rename that file into a ZIP...

[gonzo90017]

You should do #11 it really decreases boot time.

For the wrapper open up My documents folder go to Tools>Folder Options>View and uncheck Hide extensions for known file types. Now go to Winkawas Wrapper and you'll see the .JPG extension just replace it with .zip
Make sure you put the check back on Hide extensions for known file types when you are done.

EDIT: I fixed the wrapper link it's now working. Here's another just in case. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HKA7SIPV

[ahmer]

Thanks Gonzo...

Now I Made a Super Tweak WindowsXP with an ISO 230 MB...
I Install it ....It seems to be very Fast...

Now I am Looking for a Registry Patch for changing Xp shell to Mamewah...+ all other Registry Hacks...

I found One Small Utility for that...But it Require Dotnet frame work to install...Do you know any other similer Utility or REGISTRY PATCH...

I am surprise becoz evey One Just Do all Registry Hacks Manually...No one made a single Click PATCH to avoid it...
Non of any FrontEnd have Builtinn Support for Hiding Windows Invironment...

Thank you Man...
You are very much Helpful to me...

[gonzo90017]

You shouldn't be afraid to try it. It's very simple once you get the hang of it. Here's a small tutorial http://www.akadia.com/services/windows_registry_tutorial.html

[torez]

Don't forget to disable all the "eyecandy" in XP, so it will look like Windows 2000.
Yes, minimum 256 MB of ram for WinXP for playability.  96 MB was enough for internet browsing, word processing and some small games.

I ran many NeoGeo games on NeoRageX back in a day.  Had Win98 or ME at the time with like 48 MB Ram and 8 MB video (PCI Starfighter).