Custom Mame Marquee Design

[The 414]

For any one who is interested. i am offering up my services for custom marquee design work. I personally have been tired of looking at the same style of marquees w/ the same characters. I am offering up a fresher approach with new artwork.  These 2 are just examples that i have designed. I am willing to work with the characters you would need. If you need to contact me or you are interested in having you marquee designed you can reach me dws4144evr@insightbb.com . Let me know what you want and we can work somthing out.  Thanks




I am currently working on a new web site that will feature all of my work.


Mock up design for my side art. Not yet complete. Opinions? yes i know felicias head is cut off. lol

New DL Space Ace Side art i did for a Friend.

[whatzcrackn]

Looks good.  Email, sent.  What about sideart and control panels?   

[The 414]

I would like to do side work and control panels but i do not have blank templates for them. If any one could send me a blank photoshop template of the 2 i could try to get something going.  Whatzcrackin i am not on my home computer so i will get your email later on in the day.

[Pixelhugger]

These 2 are just examples that i have designed.

Errr... umm... almost.  The "atomic" mame logo you are using is my design. I created that to be shared free of charge. I'd prefer it not be used in work you are charging for. 

[The 414]

The marquee in question (the green one) is the one i designed for myself. Yes i did use the logo. Great work by the way.  Also when i specify design i am strictly talking about layout and all ORIGINAL work. For instance any item that is not already available in the local arcade board. If you look at alot of the character design none of it is available for dl in that board. i had to do the work myself. sorry if i was not clear before.

[Pixelhugger]

 

[Lord Hiryu]

It's OK making designs for people, but I prefer the designs made by one-self.
One thing. is to do "collage" with elements taken from  the net and a very different other is to make designs, compositions and all the work of vectorization.
I also work doing designs of art for Arcade Cabs in Spain. Here I send to you some pictures of the last works that I worked in. It's integrally vectorized and made in Freehand MX.







http://www.forumcommunity.net/?t=1991809

Cheers.

[The 414]

that is some great work but unfortunatly you probably know as well as i do. doing that work takes ALOT of time. Time is money and alot of people do  not want to pay what that time is worth. there for not making it profitable. Expecially when you do this on the side and time is limited. I applaud you if you can do it but i would perfer to offer a quicker and cheeper waywhile still offering artwork that you can not find in any vectoring site. My way also does take alot of time, photoshoping images to clean them up is very time consuming as well as vectoring.  Keep up the great work.

also i have to ask with that much skill in vectoring why dont you have more work in the local arcade forum it would be an asset to the arcade community.

[terabit]

Your intentions may be good dc414, but the bottom line is you trying to make money off of other peoples artwork. Wether it is the original artists artwork from the arcade machines or some one like Pixelhuggers logo. You are really just cutting and pasting other people originals and then trying to sell them. It is OK if you do this for someone as a favor, as many people do in this community, but the second you start to make money off of it, that's when things change. If you want to make money, then all the content should be original, and that means nothing in your top marquees would fly. And if doing your own originals is to time consuming, you may be in the wrong field.

[The 414]

let me clear something up. it seems like everyone is making me out to be the bad guy that is selling other peoples work. That is not the case i am mearly getting paid for my time and time only. Not for the Artwork!! Time it takes to clean up images and time it takes to put togeather an idea. This is somthing anyone can do with patience and time as well as the programs . but unfortunatly not everyone has the time and patience to do it. Convience has a cost and it is not free. i am doing the dirty work of what any other person can do but choose not to. they pay me to do it.

[miles2912]

Your intentions may be good dc414, but the bottom line is you trying to make money off of other peoples artwork. Wether it is the original artists artwork from the arcade machines or some one like Pixelhuggers logo. You are really just cutting and pasting other people originals and then trying to sell them. It is OK if you do this for someone as a favor, as many people do in this community, but the second you start to make money off of it, that's when things change. If you want to make money, then all the content should be original, and that means nothing in your top marquees would fly. And if doing your own originals is to time consuming, you may be in the wrong field.

I agree 100%  If the images are original artwork then I would be interested in the service.  The characters can be found on other sites and they are just layered in.   

I don't think you are a bad guy DC for trying to make a few dollars, but using other peoples work without giving them a piece is not right.

Don

[The 414]

this place seems like such a double bladed sword. You say its not ok to use other people work but yet the reason i started this is becasue a friend of mine had 2 people. YES i stated 2 people do marquee and side art for him from THIS site he got charged $125 a person only to have the same cookie cutter crap from every Local arcade file used with no orignality on there part at all. But yet i do it using differnt artwork and i get slammed by not cutting anyone in . Yet these 2 people are well respected people on this board and they get no hassel for doing bad work. I think then if people did better work at a more reasonable price then there would be no need for this. So in my opinion if places like mame marqueemarquees and other places  can use the artwork from other people and  give no credit and still charge i think i should be able to do the same.on top of keeping the template and using it multiple times for more cash. Only doing it slightly different then everyone else. So because i dont conform i am condemed?

sorry if it seems im jumping out of line, but it looks as though i am a newbie in the world of what other people here already do and they dont want me cutting into the action. But the truth is competition is good for the market. And damn i will force people to make better quality by undercutting anyone on this sites price to make cookie cutter molds. Forcing people to be better in order to stay a float.

[KDOG]

I am going to side with dc on this. He is really doing no diffrent then what other people have done on this board like snaake, felsir, or others. I have understood it that you give them an idea, some characters use and you pay them for the time it takes them to do it. He just put an example that used pixel's art  and he is getting some what chastized for it.

[Lord Hiryu]

I understand the position of Dc414
And yes, it is certain that looking for, crop, clean and to compose designs with imagenes of the network consumes a lot of time.
But it has a disadvantage.
Images of the net don't match the necesary resolution for the sides or for a god print.
I don't see bad your work, but would be ethical and correct by your part... to warn the author of the arts at least of which you are going them to use.

Sorry for my english guys, I don't practice it so much....

Cheers.

[SNAAKE]

People stop bashing the newguy lol. I dont see anything wrong with the service. You are not paying for the pictures you are paying for the time to put all the stuff together FOR you.

 

[terabit]

Let me start by saying I don't make any money off of this or any other site like it. It is a hobby for me. I got into it about a 1 1/2 ago and was blown away by all the help I received from people with no cost involved. There are some people like Andy at ultimarc, RandyT and others that make money off of this hobby, but they actually sell a product. Some very needed products. Selling a service using other peoples artwork or designs in my eyes is not what this hobby is all about. Just because you do it better and cheaper than others does not make it right in my eyes. Like I said I think you intentions are good, but when you try to sell a service based on others designs, I think it is wrong. And all the others that are doing it I think are wrong. If you want to talk about time and money, just think of the guys that put the thousands upon thousands of hours into creating MAME and did not charge a thing for it. None of us would be here in this forum if it was not for them. Call me a purist, but that just my opinion. That's what make this forum great. No hard feelings, none of the art work you are using is mine. 
Later
Glenn

[walls83]

It's OK making designs for people, but I prefer the designs made by one-self.
One thing. is to do "collage" with elements taken from  the net and a very different other is to make designs, compositions and all the work of vectorization.
I also work doing designs of art for Arcade Cabs in Spain. Here I send to you some pictures of the last works that I worked in. It's integrally vectorized and made in Freehand MX.







http://www.forumcommunity.net/?t=1991809

Cheers.

Let me just say something.  That ghost and Ghouls(if its vecorted) is freaking amazing.  All three are good but ghost and ghouls holds a special place in my heart.  That sideart is top notch.

[Cornchip]

   That artwork is simply amazing...you have a real gift. 

     

[The 414]

First let me say thank you to those who understand my position. I was not trying to step on others feet here. Also a couple of comments were made about using images on the net. I use some but not most. In order to use any image from the net it has to be a picture that i am not going to use at a large size and it has to be a very LARGE picture. Most of my art comes from Art books and are scanned at 300 dpi i have purchased every capcom, namco and square artbook you can think of so i do have alot of material i can use that can be scanned at a very high quality. So yes some of the art i use is not vector but it is still of quality. I do also use vector images as well but not for all. 

As for using images from local arcade i dont think it is bad, but lately there has been no newer submissions of quality as well as no newer style of art from these files they all seem to be the same old thing.

Designs like Lord Hiryu. that is simply amazing and he is a true artist at his craft. I am even going to order form him just cause i like his style and it is so differnt from every thing else. There seems like there is no variety and that everything is the same. People at least have to agree with the fact that a newer batch of art is needed.

[Comp1demon]

Im am going to lay this out once.  Dc414 is a friend of mine.  I have known the guy for years.  He has always been a talented artist.  He has ton's of original work that I have seen and he is also an artist in other areas of art such as music. 

We both decided to build our cabinets at the same time and the mass amounts of FREE resources including this forum as well as other areas on the net that are invaluable to me as well as the rest of you have been great.

I read his whole post so far and the (2) people I want to jump on, first is the guy that made the comment about people from MAME spend 1000's of hours for a free emulator.

I hate to say it but MAMES support base has well over 1 million users who do not have the right to play what they do on MAME, Including myself, 414 and the rest of you.  How many of you really fall into the legit circumstances of the EULA to RUN ROMS on MAME.? 

I will agree that over the years I feel the amount of cash I've spent on buying Pacman, q'bert, Galaga and countless other ARCADE games that were ported over to Consoles and the PC (some multiple times), I feel gives me the right to run them on mame (in truth it does not but to me it does {my strange logic to myself} - even though I never owned some of these games as ARCADE BOARDS in a CABINET)

My arcade cabinet is supposed to help me keep the nostaliga of my youth and also be have a really cool piece of technology and furniture to impress myself, my parents, wife, friends and Hopefully you people who are into the hobby yourself.  Also it's been a fun poroject to keep me busy.

The second Guy I want to jump on is the person who implied Knowing photoshop is not an art.. Ill get to you later in this post.

When I started my project, I saved and wanted to spend as much as I could to make my project Professional looking and quite unique. I didn't have the wood skillz so I bought a UA2 Kit and assembled it.  Other than that the rest of my project is MY CUSTOM WORK AND MONEY.

414 like I said is a great artist.  I asked him to design art for me (or put together art for me) and he TAKES FOREVER - unless you pay him.  To be honest, I helped him make money so he could finacially keep up and build the cabinet step by step with me, I wanted a partner that i could compare notes with and bounce ideas off of.  I wasn't going to take money I made with him and Pay him to do artwork for me.  He best be doing it for free....... LOL!

Anyways, I decided to go a different route.  Instead of going to MAMEMARQUEES and buying the same cookie cutter stuff avalable (it's great stuff but I want originality on MY CABINET), I decided to explore the options of hiring a artist to design me what I wanted and I WAS WILLING TO PAY. 

SNAAKE seemed like a great guy with great skillz...  I tried to hire others like MR. Van horn of the Frostillus project, but he was too busy, Snaake was my second choice.

He designed my side art (both sides) My marquee and kickplates for $125.00  It was a steep price and I'll admit some of the art was not up to my standards but the sideart he did was AMAZING and Original, Granted he wanted to work with me to make me happy, but after seeing what his limmits were I deicided to take my side art WHICH I WAS GOING TO USE, and take the Kickplate and marquee (not up to par), just give in NOT TO PISS HIM OFF with frustration from me not being satisfied.  Thanked him for his great work and Took what I wanted out of the art he designed and sent it over to mamemarquees and had scott print it up.  SNAAKE like everyone else took the Vectorised art avalable and made due with it to design me a Unique peice (I will post the sides in a few days on my site - so you can all see the great unique work).  I deiced to keep the marquee and kickplate art he designed and just put it in storage (I did pay for it so it's mine), eventually the Files will be freely avalable for anyone to download when I get to uploading the massive files to my webserver. (NO I WILL NOT CHARGE FOR IT)

Well after My side art I needed a Marquee... (SEE THE RIDE THE LIGHTNING MARQUEE UP TOP), I asked my Friend DC414 to design it for me after I saw what he designed himself.  He was working with SOME IMAGES that are avalable to everyone (Mame logo, Dirk, turtles, and others) as well as newly released art and private art that not everyone has access to YET.  He designed my Marquee for me and sent it over to scott so he could print it up and send it over.  The marquee is BEAUTIFUL IN MY opinion.

The time and effort put into it was truely worthy of monitary compensation for his time. (so I sent him as a thank you, since he is my friend and did it for free, a shirt and game for his xbox and some other stuff).

I told him that his Unique Eye and style of putting together stuff could get him some business here on the Forums, just like other people are doing. 

You complain that he is using YOUR ART for profit... So is everyone else, the moment you make the art Freely avalable for people to use, you also make it avalable for profit.... WHY DO YOU THINK MAME HAD TO TRADEMARK THEIR NAME, TO AVOID LEGAL TROUBLE, AND TO STOP PEOPLE FROM PROFIFTING FROM IT, AND LASTLY TO KEEP ALL US USERS HAPPY THAT MAME WOULD NOT GO AWAY!!!!!.  Yet there will always be people out there tring to make a buck off of someone elses work, weather it be art, music, games, technology, ect..... 

I don't feel that taking freely avalable art images and putting it all together into a unique arrangement with a program such as photoshop or illustrator and charging money for it is wrong.  There are people out there whos KNOWLEDGE TO PROPERLY USE SOFTWARE to create marquees, sideart and other things is worthy of compensation, just for the time and mental power they put into it.  Granted, there are people out there like dc414, snaake and others who would do this for free!!!, and thats great but they don't always have the time for you, they might not always be able to visualize your ideas and artisticly express them for you in a custom piece of art that you may want, and lastly since they do it for free you don't have the right to complain and make sure they get it right.

When I paid Snaake for my stuff, I sent him back to the drawing board quite a few times.  The money I gave him, HE could not properly express my ideas, I made sure he got as close as he could to my IDEA of what I wanted.  When He did I got my work and the job ended for him.  I also endorse him as well as DC414 and others who seem to have good art reputations, their style is quite good and he can yeald some original pieces for you and your cabinet.

Don't say that Photoshop, illustrator and other programms are not ART SKILL and easy to use with time and patience.  If they were I would have done it all myself. 
I have TIME, Patience and Cash (to buy the software) but I lack the skills to use them properly to have an end result of what I want. 
I also feel that the amount of time it would take to properly use those tools would have been worth it for me and my side art would have taken a year +. 

I chose to farm out my ideas and get results in weeks instead.

Snaake did great side art for me - The cost $80 + $40 for the art i ended up not using.

DC414 Did my marquee - The Cost, his time and some Thankyou gifts from me.

MAMEMARQUEES, - This man make the killing from ALL OF YOU, he is the dude that charges you to atually sticker and display your art work, to the guy that dont want anyone making money with YOUR design, why not tell Mr Scott to stop printing art then...... He is plagerising then too isn't he.  The cost for Scott to print my stuff and ship it all to me $200+ Side art, CP overlay, Marquees, Plexi and more.. AND WAS WELL WORTH IT, HE PROVIDES A KICK ASS SERVICE AND GREAT WORK.

The fact that you can pick on DC414 for tring to make a buck and help people visualize his ideas here on this board and get the artwork they want on their cabinet, it makes me sick...  Everyone has been so nice to me here.  They helped me with Configuations, Ideas, SOLD ME INTRO MOVIES FOR MAMEWAH (whick i gladly paid for - The disk, the time and shipping $10. more than fair).

I also got my artwork done here.  This board is all about HELP, ideas and YES making money.  Alot of people profit from this Forum and from otherthings besides art.   

I will say that every artist skill and style can only go so far, there might be someone or many that do not like the Familiar style that each artist has when making sideart, marquees, and other stuff.  So either do it yourself, or find an artist who fits your ideas or just go with the pre done cookie cutter stuff and have a plain jane ME TOO cabinet as well.

Everyone wants a slice of the Pie. Just don't complain when you swallow it and it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth becuase not all the Pie is Fresh and Clean.

DC414 your a good friend

A Great artist

A Skilled user of PC and MAC Art Programs

A good business man

A Fair Person

and a Professional....

I give my endorsement to DC414 Im sure he can help your ideas come to life.

Chris

[whatzcrackn]

 

Hold on..............I'm still reading.

Wow..... I think you forgot to mention something, Comp1demon. 

Well I meant you were too brief.

[walls83]

Look just because a few people disagree with you DC414 doesn't mean the whole board is jumping on your back.  There are plenty of people on this board that charge money to do peoples art work and they don't use original pieces.   Its the nature of the beast people who know nothing about vectoring or using photoshop don't realize the time that goes into making marquees and side art.  Ive done a couple for free in the past for people but not anymore.  Its a ton of work, going back and fourth with the customer changing stuff.  Don't let anybody fool you a final piece of art just getting the composition right takes hours. 


If your work is good enough people will pay.  Snaake is a prime example.  Don't let the haters standing on their pedestal who claim your stealing other peoples art to do you work get you down while they are playing there 5000 Mame games. 


If your good and your prices are reasonable people will pay. 

Oh and welcome to the boards. Looking forward to seeing your work

But be careful on using original art from the people here.  Alot of the art, logos and things of that nature are free to use so you had better get permission to use it.  Maybe you can cut a deal evertime you use atomics logo you give 3%(or something) of the final cost to Haze so he can buy new boards.

[The 414]

i dont think every one was jumping on my back and i was not implying that. actually some pople came to my defense and i thank them. I wont let it get me down, i am just doing this on my free time , i dont need to be doing it i just wanted to to help others out.  Also i glad you agree and understand walls83 that photoshop does infact take alot of time up to and sometimes more time then vectoring the images themself. As for logos and such i plan to use all origional work i do my self the "atomic logo" i used for my own personal cabinet becasue 1. i like the way it fit my cabinet and 2. it was of quality work.

As i have more work i will post it. hope you like them .

[The 414]

added new side art to the top post

[walls83]

I really like the dark stalkers.  Rival schools looks good also Im just not a fan of the game.  Are you vectoring these images.?   Do you have a Street fighter side art in that style.?

Keep up the good work

[Felsir]

Great work, I really like the Newzealand Story artwork! Probably because it reminds me of the NZS cabinet in the canteen of a sportshall near my house. I think we all have a thing for nostalgia here...

I got to agree, creating sideart like that costs time, no matter where the source image is from. The Frankenstein artwork? It's from Scott J. Campbell, I merely vectorised it. Customers pay indeed for time and not the artwork. I do make some 'real own' designs, but most of the customers seem to want specific artwork theme for their cabs (superman theme, transformers, capcom fighters, you-name-it).
Thing do try to avoid is to use 'original' designs by fellow BYOACers, sort of code of honour thing I guess.

[The 414]

New DL space ace Art i did for a friend.

[Lord Hiryu]

dc414, good job.
It's impressive.
The last one you post is entire done by you? (draw by hand)
Men, in that case you got a gift!!!

Cheers

[odysseyroc]

The DL art is from the comic book. I'm assuming dc vectorized it though, which is pretty impressive.

[The 414]

Wow some one found that artwork relly quick. Yes it is from that comic book. I did a scan of the cover at 300dpi, then had to do some clean up and retouching to get rid of titles and lettering Some of it is Vectoring such as the title but the actual artwork is pure photoshop clean up and retouching. The actual side art is UA2 cabinet size at 300dpi.  Alot of work went into this. The space as is from the comic as well. Thanks for the complements.

Dc

[odysseyroc]

I think that if you are scanning and cleaning art like that, you should be clear about it up front. I work as a colorist in the comic industry and I wouldn't be too happy if you posted something that I worked on and said it was art you worked on for a friend. The guys who colored those covers (Tony Washington and Pat Duke) have styles that are pretty labor intesive and put tons of work into them. I respect the work that you put in to it, I just think you should give something up to the creators.

[The 414]

my bad what i should have said is new DL space ace Side art i did for a friend. Yes the origional artwork was a comic but do you know how much work goes into making an object 8.5 x 11 into somthing the size of a Cabinet and still keep the image as good as the origional?  That is "pretty labor intesive"

I think that if you are scanning and cleaning art like that, you should be clear about it up front. I work as a colorist in the comic industry and I wouldn't be too happy if you posted something that I worked on and said it was art you worked on for a friend. The guys who colored those covers (Tony Washington and Pat Duke) have styles that are pretty labor intesive and put tons of work into them. I respect the work that you put in to it, I just think you should give something up to the creators.

Cleaning it and doing some touchups is a art form in its own. Also as for giving credit to the origional creators, that cool in all but if every one here did that for every piece they did it would look like. "i would like to give credit to (list 400 people) at the capcom staff for there drawings, creative design as well as the idea. with out them i could not have scanned or vectorized my masterpiece." i understand that may be overdoing it but.... every one who does replica artwork does not infact give reference to the origional designer. IT would be nice but it is an impossible task.

[odysseyroc]

Production work and creating are 2 totally different things. I think if you scanned and cleaned the art up you should say just that, if you vectorized it, then say that. Felsir didn't seem to have a problem giving it up for Campbell, or even posting the original Joe Mad art on the Red Monika piece. I really don't care whether you give full credit to the original artists or not, I just think you should be clear about what your doing. "New DL space ace Art i did for a friend." makes it sound like you actually created something, when you didn't.

[Comp1demon]

I think that if you are scanning and cleaning art like that, you should be clear about it up front. I work as a colorist in the comic industry and I wouldn't be too happy if you posted something that I worked on and said it was art you worked on for a friend. The guys who colored those covers (Tony Washington and Pat Duke) have styles that are pretty labor intesive and put tons of work into them. I respect the work that you put in to it, I just think you should give something up to the creators.

I have to agree with DC414 here.

All he said was "HERE IS SOME DL and SA ART HE DID FOR A FRIEND" 

and he shows it as Side art..

He wasn't impling he drew it, the next guy assumed it..and the guy after that pointed out the source.  DC414 came back and explained the process of getting it from Source to Side art. 

The vectorising and other processes he had to endure and labor through makes it a CUSTOM piece of ARCADE ART.. Thats it. He never implied he drew anything.  Even early on the discussion of art sources came up, and the thread died and everyone agreed that scanning art FOR THIS HOBBY OF SIDE ART AND ARCADE ART FOR A CABINET you don't need a million disclaimers and Thank yous.  I hate to say it, but you people jump on DC414 and tell him he needs to credit everything and everyone..

OK well if some BYOAC member post art and other turns it into something else for their cabinet... SUre send a shout out and thank them..

But lets be reasonable..

SHould he list everyone on that first pageg of the comic book and thank them and say these are the people that did that and then scanned, vectorised and made side art or something...
NO THATS REDICULAS..

Lets be realistic here..

Extereme home makeover is the best example.....

In their credits they thank Appliance manufacures, the staff and major coporations..

DO you see thanks yous to EVERY NITCH MANUFACTURE FOR EVERY LITTLE THING..

IF what your telling DC 414 to do with his Credits and thankyous and shoutouts..

then Exterem home makeover better start putting every manuafacture for every product..

Nail company
The metal company that made the nail
the guys who work at the metal company to make the nail
ect...

Every fabric or material should then be credited to those small companys and the people that work there to make those materials.

You get my drift....

We all know that not many people (OTHER THAN LORD HIRYU - Great work man!!) Have the time to draw Arcade art from scratch, then scan it and vectorize it and so on.....

95% of the side art come from Pre-drawn sources such as Comics, Flyers, and the art that game company came up with.

It's implied most of the time where the art came from.. and many of you know where its from
we dont need POST's full of "I would like to thank this person or that person..."

We know.!!!

I just like that people are starting to really push original ideas and uses of art that have been recycled for the same thing over and over again and they are bing used for something totally new.!!!

DC414 You rock buddy!

C1D

[odysseyroc]

I don't have any beef with scanning and enlarging the art. If somebody here wanted to do that with something from one of the thundercats comics, I would probably send them whatever original files I still have. I don't even care that he's making money doing it. I'm just saying that some kind of acknowledgment should be made for the original source of the art. I don't see what's so difficult about saying "here's some art I scanned from CGE's Dragons Lair" or the Art of Capcom or whatever. Especially if you're making money off of it.

I understand the hard work that it takes to clean that stuff up and I think the guys on this board do a great job at recreating stuff. The side art that dc has shown in this thread looks great and I hope he gets lots of work from it.

As far as the Extreme Home Makeover thing goes, a marquee and side art are pretty major parts of an arcade cab. It's not the same thing as giving it up for the people who made the wires and button nuts.

[walls83]

I think they look great. I just want to see how well they print out.  Get some close ups of the final print outs. 

[The 414]

thanks to everyone who thinks the art looks great. I would like to point out 1 thing . All of the pieces you see in this thread i have not charged anyone for. just so you dont think i did. Right now i am making pieces for people so i can get my art style more out there, so people  know what to expect if they did hire me. as for the final print out. I have not seen it yet but i can get a pretty good idea from a small piece test run i did and it actually looks pretty good. I was suprised. On top of that scott at mame marquees does an awesome job im sure he will not dissapoint.

[The 414]

Just to show i have some vectoring skills.  Here is dark Ryu. not completely finished yet but i am getting close have to fix some lines.



Close up shot. Any opinions or suggestions?

[odysseyroc]

Pretty good, couple of things though. The line weight gets a little wonky around the his jaw-line and the shadows on his gi and arm are rough looking. The cast shadow from his ragged sleeve is bothering me the most.

I really like the ear, that's one of the easiest parts to mess up and you did a great job.

[The 414]

 i hope that looks better. to be honest i think it is the .jpg format becasue when i went back into illustrator it didnt look half as bad as it did with compression