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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #200 on: September 01, 2005, 03:37:19 pm »
latest I heard ****

They have haulted evacuating people becaus of gunfire........

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #201 on: September 01, 2005, 03:40:39 pm »
CLINTON WON...GET OVER IT ;)

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #202 on: September 01, 2005, 03:44:51 pm »

Yep, you betcha.  Going to go eat some now.  :laugh:

Thankfully we have to agree on. is the great uniter. Vote in 2008!

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #203 on: September 01, 2005, 03:50:31 pm »
Just heard a report on UK television that 50,000 body bags have been ordered by the authorities. Hopefully somebody got their wires crossed :'(

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #204 on: September 01, 2005, 03:51:55 pm »
Thankfully we have bacon to agree on. Bacon is the great uniter. Vote Bacon in 2008!

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #205 on: September 01, 2005, 03:56:44 pm »
Did anyone else know "Fats" Domino was missing?

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #207 on: September 01, 2005, 04:00:14 pm »
oops... I hadn't got that far down yet.. lol
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« Reply #208 on: September 01, 2005, 04:07:14 pm »
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #209 on: September 01, 2005, 04:08:21 pm »
Oh god! its even worse than brussels sprouts.

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Re: Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
« Reply #210 on: September 01, 2005, 04:09:14 pm »
And why should the govt fund people who choose to live in a danger zone?  Would you be for the govt funding to rebuild Malibu, CA beach homes because they fell in the ocean?

Thats what I've always wondered.

I feel little sympathy for people that intentionally put themselves in harms way.

That includes:

People who live on fault lines.
People who live on/under hills prone to mudslides.
People who own oceanfront property.
People who, if entropy has its way, will be underwater.
People who live under mountains prone to avalanche.
People who live near active volcanoes.

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Re: Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
« Reply #211 on: September 01, 2005, 04:22:07 pm »
People who live near active volcanoes.


When I was a kid we lived right near St. Helens when it erupted......

it was awesome....

but then again I was only 7.....

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Re: Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
« Reply #212 on: September 01, 2005, 04:27:56 pm »
People who live near active volcanoes.


When I was a kid we lived right near St. Helens when it erupted......

it was awesome....

but then again I was only 7.....

Young punk! I was a world seasoned 12. ;)

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Re: Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
« Reply #213 on: September 01, 2005, 04:32:25 pm »
People who live near active volcanoes.


When I was a kid we lived right near St. Helens when it erupted......

it was awesome....

but then again I was only 7.....

Young punk! I was a world seasoned 12. ;)

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well actually I was 7 and 3/4

it happened in May and my birthday is August

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Re: Martial Law Declared in New Orleans
« Reply #214 on: September 01, 2005, 04:52:52 pm »
People who live near active volcanoes.


When I was a kid we lived right near St. Helens when it erupted......

it was awesome....

but then again I was only 7.....

Me too.  I was even younger, though.  6 at the oldest  (moved at of WA at 6).  I remember the scouts going and getting huge lava rocks afterward, though.

What year did it erupt?  I was born in '78
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #215 on: September 01, 2005, 04:58:21 pm »
It was '82 wasn't it?

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #216 on: September 01, 2005, 05:01:07 pm »
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #217 on: September 01, 2005, 05:04:43 pm »
In that case I was 10. MissionC is clearly telling a fib about his age, since it's already been established he and I are twins who were separated a birth. ;)

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #218 on: September 01, 2005, 07:56:59 pm »
People in new orleans are shooting at the rescue helicopters...yeap thats gonna make them land
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #219 on: September 01, 2005, 11:58:06 pm »
Living all then way over here it really takes some time for the impact of these things to settle in.... but wow.

I seen some stuff on TV this morning in the work cafeteria, that place is a mess. This is a pretty big event for your nation to overcome.

Shame about all the ratbags.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #220 on: September 02, 2005, 12:28:59 am »
Here's something that suprised even me, the curmudgeon that I am:

The big story today and yesterday was the horrorshow happening at the convention center (not the Superdome). I've heard anywhere between 5,000 to 10,000 people were being sent there by authorities, where they were left with no direction, food, water, or information. People were dying out in front of the building, young children had been raped, lord of the flies type-stuff in the face of complete social breakdown and lack of sustenance...living walking among the dead.

...and the director of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff said *TODAY* that he didn't even know there were people there. Then when the commentator on NPR informed him that journalists were serving as eye-witnesses, Chertoff preceeded to call it a "rumor."

Doesn't this guy, or anyone in his department watch CNN?? It's been ON THE NEWS for the past two days!

Furthermore, how safe, exactly, is America, given that this guy is heading the dept. tasked with saving our @sses in the event of a catastrophic attack?

I feel safer already!

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #221 on: September 02, 2005, 12:41:37 am »
I heard that interview.  It was surreal.  It sounded like the guy was in denial.  He was like, "Everything's fine.  There's enough food for everyone, it's just that some people are in places that are still difficult to reach."

NPR, "There's not a shortage of food and water?  Does that include the convention center."

Chertoff, "We have plenty of food.  There are daisies growing in my pants.  Be happy."

NPR, "We have a live feed to our correspondents who are physically at the convention center right now.  We are talking to them at this very exact moment.  There are thousands of people there, who have been instructed to go there and to stay there.  And there is no food or water.  zero.  There is also a dead body on the floor of the convention center and another outside the front door in a wheelchair."

Chertoff, "There are also roses and tulips.  I'm serious.  Smell me.  Life is exquisite."


obviously those were not Chertoff's verbatim responses, but I've pretty much nailed them on tone, substance and his level of having no idea what he was talking about.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #222 on: September 02, 2005, 12:46:56 am »

Save your hot-air for later, right now...it's tasteless. You can go about making light of the situation after all the heavy lifting is done. That's what you do best anyhow. I'm sure you'll be copying and pasting full-page wing-nut satire before all the bodies are dry.

What's tasteless is turning this quickly into a political situation.  Let us know what "heavy lifting" you've got planned.  I'm guessing a few protest signs is about all the lifting you're concerned with. 


Cooldown for making jokes about disasters, Was 4 years..

Its now 4 Hours..

Good Times..

Waiting period for using disasters for political purposes?  Used to not be done at all.  Now, just a few hours. 

Good Times ::)

The mainstream media is not prepared to deal with this sort of concept, so they'll focus on vilifying the "looters" and sensationalizing the mass chaos, as borderline racists on the right feign sympathy, while practicing indifference.

Why won't you villify them?  Because they are hungry?  Because most of the ones that are shown on television are black?  Because you can't blame anyone for anything?

It's against the law to steal.  I don't care if you're hungry.  If I had to steal to feed my family, I'd be prepared to deal with the consequences.  I wouldn't, however, be on CNN showing my new Nike's.

Please Mr. C, please hold some accountable for their own actions, just once.

And blaming me doesn't count


Art, I can't let your misstatement go by uncontested, especially since he knows what you mean, and he'll give his pat answer that makes him "feel" better.

Please change your request.  It should read:

"Please, MrC, please hold someone accountable for their own actions, just once.  Someone OTHER than the government."


Was only a matter of time I guess.....

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I think the source for your link pretty much sums it up. 

Hey MrC, did I just "break the ice" for all the one-liners, and that's why it's ok for Dex, or is it just because you agree with him?  It's beautiful.  He thinks it's so funny, he's rolling around on the floor.  Wait, let me get my somber MrC tone down. 

Classy.

People are still dying there and Dexter is throwing his entry in for funniest one-liner?

Real Class.


Evacuation of the Superdome has been suspended due to refugees firing weapons at military helicopters trying to help them.


Mark, unless those reprobates are seeking refuge from helicopters coming to save them, they aren't refugees, they're degenerate thugs.  Hard to believe there's folks there so depraved that they want to continue to fester in that mess because for the time being, they're King Turd of the cesspool.


The only good news is that this disaster might force George Bush to start taking climate change more seriously instead of giving priority to the short term interests of the US economy.


So let me get this straight.  He should be doing something about gas prices.  That's a short term interest.  He's worked to put more tax money back into your pocket.  Long-ish term interest.  He SHOULD HAVE left taxes where they were, but he SHOULD NOT leave gas prices alone, and should fix them right now.  Climate change, which can be better dealt with through MORE FUNDING - isn't that the constant carping?  We need more funding to study blah blah blah, yet we should pass on the economy and focus on the environment? 

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I'm not saying the hurricane was directly linked to global warming (although freak weather is becoming more common all over the world)


Rii-iight.  Hey, this just in:

Link to the gospel of the NY Times about chicken-little thinking like that

"Because hurricanes form over warm ocean water, it is easy to assume that the recent rise in their number and ferocity is because of global warming.

But that is not the case, scientists say. Instead, the severity of hurricane seasons changes with cycles of temperatures of several decades in the Atlantic Ocean. The recent onslaught "is very much natural," said William M. Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University who issues forecasts for the hurricane season."

Oh, and in case you missed it, please explain to us whether we should have been concerned with "short term economy" or "climate changes" during the EIGHT YEAR PERIOD between '95 and '03 when ONLY THREE - T-H-R-E-E!! struck the U.S. at full strength.

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Bbut it does illustrate that when it comes to dealing with the forces of nature simply crossing your fingers and hoping for the best is not an option.  It's about time he started listening to the scientists. They warned that New Orleans was becoming increasingly vulnerable to serious flooding many years ago.


On these points, I wholeheartedly agree with you.  But wait, there's more!  This same area had an identical disaster befall them in the 60's.  Now, Zakk even realized that area is a friggen bathtub, and is ill suited to keeping water away from it at its current location.  We've been crossing our fingers for FORTY YEARS!  You're correct, it wasn't an option, and shouldn't ever be again.  It IS about time we start listening to the scientists who tell us that the Mississippi cannot be shut off from this area unless we want it to sink year after year after year after year.  How long ago did they warn about this?  60's minus 2005....carry the naught.....yeah, they've been saying this was a problem for FORTY YEARS, and somehow you are trying to tell us that Bush should be thinking about climate change NOW?  pssst....there's decades of history you just walked past.  This didn't happen because of problems in the last few years, it's ALWAYS been happening, and everything finally came to fruition yet again.  Are we gonna wait another 40 years before someone says "stop building"?  And clearly this should qualify as a wetland area.  Wont' someone think about the spotted frog?  Won't someone care?

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Also, a dose of high oil prices might be the wake up call that America needs to recognise that its dependence on vast quantities of oil (much of it from the turbulent middle east) is extremely unhealthy for political, environmental, and (in the long term) economic reasons.


The oil prices aren't high, it's the gas price, and the stock price.  The price for the oil used has stayed relatively stable.  Stop confusing options prices and pump prices with the cost per barrel.  Make a solar powered car that can haul things like a truck, and people will use it, and it won't increase prices like crazy.  Make a hybrid that actually saves you money and isn't just for making people feel good, and people will use it, in spades.  All these things will be brought about by market forces, and it seems the push for these things are only being advanced by government mandates, which have demonstrably proven to be utterly useless.  Forcing someone to produce something that no one wants for a myriad of reasons equates to a losing proposition allthe way around, but I guess as long as it makes a few folks feel good.......

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Maybe it could be argued that the hurricane was a sign from god. I'm an atheist but it seems you sometimes have to couch your arguments in religious terms for people like Bush to understand.


I'd have to agree with you again.  I'd go with it was a sign from God, but you're working from the wrong translation book.  You've got your philosophy book out when you should have your Spanish book.  Either way it requires several readings before the light comes on.
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« Reply #223 on: September 02, 2005, 01:27:38 am »
Now, Zakk even realized that area is a friggen bathtub, and is ill suited to keeping water away from it at its current location.

Hey, whoa  heynow. I had to read that whole post to get that gem out.
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« Reply #224 on: September 02, 2005, 01:44:06 am »
I heard that interview.  It was surreal.  It sounded like the guy was in denial.  He was like, "Everything's fine.  There's enough food for everyone, it's just that some people are in places that are still difficult to reach."

Also from that NPR interview, and this is a verbatim quote:

Chertoff: "There is a more than adequate law enforcement presence in New Orleans"

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« Reply #225 on: September 02, 2005, 01:50:24 am »
Now, Zakk even realized that area is a friggen bathtub, and is ill suited to keeping water away from it at its current location.

Hey, whoa  heynow. I had to read that whole post to get that gem out.  Notice how easy my heckles were to pick out of my posts.  C'mon, I'm a busy man over here, no time for "where's Waldo?"!!!  >:(

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I just wanted to see HOW hard you have to work.  I've gotta say, if you could pick that nugget out of all that.... ::)

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« Reply #226 on: September 02, 2005, 01:50:46 am »
Whoa......Drew.  I'm not kidding here.  We've been through this before and I thought you understood me.  Posts like that will not be tolerated.  Hire an editor.

And oil topped $70/barrel in response to Katrina.  Remember back in the good old days of $45 a barrel.  Oh wait, that was less than a year ago.  Oh yeah, and those days sucked because a $45 barrel of oil represented skyrocketing oil prices. 
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #227 on: September 02, 2005, 02:03:35 am »
Also, a dose of high oil prices might be the wake up call that America needs to recognise that its dependence on vast quantities of oil (much of it from the turbulent middle east) is extremely unhealthy for political, environmental, and (in the long term) economic reasons.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #228 on: September 02, 2005, 02:11:49 am »
Whoa......Drew.  I'm not kidding here.  We've been through this before and I thought you understood me.  Posts like that will not be tolerated.  Hire an editor.

And oil topped $70/barrel in response to Katrina.  Remember back in the good old days of $45 a barrel.  Oh wait, that was less than a year ago.  Oh yeah, and those days sucked because a $45 barrel of oil represented skyrocketing oil prices. 

That's the options price, not what it's sold for.

Sorry, I was watching a movie and typing.  It slipped....got away from me.  Wave your magic wand and "Reader's Digest" all that.  It'll prolly look something like "blah blah blah sucks blah blah".
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #229 on: September 02, 2005, 06:46:48 am »
WHAT THE ---I'm attempting to get around the autocensor and should re-read the rules!--- IS GOING ON?!? Theres offers of aid coming in from foreign countries left, right and centre and bush just crones on about how america will take care of it themselves.

Bush told ABC-TV:

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #230 on: September 02, 2005, 07:14:35 am »
Foreign aid dollars wouldn't save any lives. What is needed is pure vehicles and manpower, over the next few days to evacuate people. I could send them a billion dollars right now, and it wouldn't do a thing for saving lives, now if they starting sending over troop carrying helicopters with pilots and staff TODAY, then that would be useful.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #231 on: September 02, 2005, 07:24:31 am »
http://www.sitepunch.com/hurricane_aid_090105_0023.php

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/235829/261

Canada are stranding by NOW with food, water and medicine. But they're NOT BEING ALLOWED to help.

The tsunami victims had aid faster than this. America is a first world nation being offered aid NOW by other first world nations and is refusing it. WTF!

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #232 on: September 02, 2005, 07:30:02 am »
http://www.sitepunch.com/hurricane_aid_090105_0023.php

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/235829/261

Canada are stranding by NOW with food, water and medicine. But they're NOT BEING ALLOWED to help.

The tsunami victims had aid faster than this. America is a first world nation being offered aid NOW by other first world nations and is refusing it. WTF!

Ok, that is just stupid, if Canada has troops ready to deploy then it is just totally stupid of us to refuse them, they are actually close enough to be usefull.

But money, that won't really help all that much.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #233 on: September 02, 2005, 08:26:55 am »
But money, that won't really help all that much.

Yep, theres only one reason for the whitehouse to refuse actual aid but accept money. They can distribute the money as they see fit to their 'haves and have mores' base contributors who own companies that could provide aid relief. Haliburton anybody?

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How about this report:
http://wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68732,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

This is the new weapon they've been itching to test for ages. A good reason for not sending in the army and allowing anarchy to reign?? Why do that when theres a new toy to field test. They never miss an opportunity this regieme, not one.


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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #234 on: September 02, 2005, 08:36:28 am »
Worth a read if you have some time spare....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10050.htm

"A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late."

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #235 on: September 02, 2005, 09:10:05 am »

"A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late."



I heard about this on NPR after work yesterday. Just amazing. This exact scanario had been predicted, and they had even started trying to develop a plan for dealing with the terrible aftermath that NO is experincing right now, but funding to the project got cut off.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #236 on: September 02, 2005, 09:30:51 am »
Also, a dose of high oil prices might be the wake up call that America needs to recognise that its dependence on vast quantities of oil (much of it from the turbulent middle east) is extremely unhealthy for political, environmental, and (in the long term) economic reasons.
Fun fact #1: Half of all oil used by the US comes FROM the US.
Fun fact #2: Half of all oil imported by the US comes from that singular disgusting haven of alternating lawless anarchy and opressive regimes known as CANADA.

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#1: In 2003 the US produced an average of 5.7 million barrels of crude oil per day. That's 2080.5 million barrels for the year, or 2080500 thousand barrels. Crude oil production was lower in 2004 due to Hurricane Ivan. The percentage of crude oil imports is approximately 64%, not 50%.
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#2: In 2004 the US imported a total of 3692063 thousand barrels of crude oil. 591489 came from Canada. That's 16%, not half.
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #237 on: September 02, 2005, 09:33:40 am »
What we are seeing in New Orleans is the culmination of 35 years of GOVERNMENT planning.  Ever since the last major Hurricane hit New Orleans Plans were apparently carefully crafted to make sure everything would be taken care of.

I hope we all have warm fuzzies that our government will help us if disaster hits.  And no, we don't need any stinking gun control.  After all, it looks like we can count on the authorities to know what to do and protect us.

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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
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Re: Katrina Thread / New Orleans
« Reply #239 on: September 02, 2005, 10:06:52 am »
I certainly can't imagine that ordianry NO citizens are behind the whole shooting at the helicopters thing. On the contrary, they're probably even more horrified by it than the rest of us are. My personal theory is that the people shooting at the helicopters must be crazy street people and hard drug addicts who cannot get their fix and are just flipping out because of the withdrawals. Please do not take this theory as me trying to coddle those nuts. We need to get the choppers back in the air, but we need to have a couple of Marines with  M-16s in each one to just blow the head off any psycho who shoots at a helicopter. That kind of crap needs to be taken out of the gene pool asap.

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