Bush: U.S.-Mexico 'Border' Renamed 'Junction'

[DrewKaree]

And to follow up on "Back to my other madness in a day or so, but was catching up on some stuff.", this:

www.scrappleface.com

(2005-06-30) -- In an effort to reframe the national security debate in a way that could placate critics within his own party, President George Bush today announced that the U.S.-Mexico border has been renamed the 'U.S.-Mexico junction'.

The executive order changing the terminology follows the president's meeting with linguistic consultant George Lakoff, who recently helped the Democrat party realize that Americans don't oppose their liberal ideology, just the words they use to talk about key issues.

"Folks get concerned when illegal aliens, of unknown origin and motivations pour across the border by the thousands each day," said Mr. Bush. "But I now understand that the real issue is the word 'border' itself. It's so forbidding and sounds like a barrier rather than place of coming together."

The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) immediately hired a consultant from Wal-Mart to retrain border guards for their new junction function, which closely mirrors the role of a Wal-Mart 'People Greeter'.

"There's a security element to the job," the president said. "But for the most part, it's about making folks feel welcome in our free and open society, and not discriminating against those who violate our laws. After all, most of them have never been arrested or convicted, and in America you're innocent until proven guilty."

"closely mirrors the role of a Wal-Mart 'People Greeter'."

I don't care who y'are, that's funny raht thar!

[Sephroth57]

wow... thats hillarious.. and still wrong. we dont need to welcome more immigrants in this country so they can take our jobs and money and then go back to their countrys

[Goz]

wow... thats hillarious.. and still wrong. we dont need to welcome more immigrants in this country so they can take our jobs and money and then go back to their countrys

Problem is that they don't go back to their perspective countries only the money they make does. The continue to stay here with illegal status and chew up our resources.

-Goz

[monkeybomb]

take our jobs

They don't take jobs.  They are given jobs.  It is small minded to blame the immigrant and think that will get you somewhere.  They are simply filling the demand for cheap labor?  If there was no demand the supply would go away.  Why not go after those who hire?  The employers actually have money and could be hurt by large fines.

Most of these people are not on welfare.  They are working and without a job being offered to them, they would not have come.  Illegal immigration is an easy problem to solve, but there are folks with big wallets that don't want it that way.  Either vote against people who take money form these businesses or stop complaining, because these illegal immigrants are currently being invited.

[Sephroth57]

well theres 2 main points that youre missing here, you say they fill the demand for "cheap" labor. so say theres a contractor been in the buisness 15 years hes awesome, and charges for the fact that hes experienced and knows what hes doin. now some builder can hire this guy for 30$ an hour, or hire 2 immigrants for 15$ each. Now this guy isnt getting the money he deserves, should he work for 15 an hour after being in the buisness for 15 years just cause now the market is flooded with these immigrants?

also you know how many of these people are here illegally, taking cash payments not paying any taxes. and then sending money back to their own country, how is this helping our economy at all

[monkeybomb]

Then the problem is the builder who is demanding the cheap labor and the person paying cash instead of keeping everything on the books.  Fines for them should be outrageous.  Then fewer and fewer would be like those you mentioned providing work to illegals.

They are here for jobs.  Stop the flow of the jobs - stop the flow of illegals.

[Crazy Cooter]

Stop the flow of the jobs - stop the flow of illegals.

Agreed.  What's works?  Reprimanding employers or reprimanding the illegal worker that we didn't even know was here much less who they are or where they are now?

[DrewKaree]

take our jobs

They don't take jobs.  They are given jobs.

Excellent point!  I'll also point out that if the job weren't available, it wouldn't be there for the "taking". 

It is small minded to blame the immigrant and think that will get you somewhere.  They are simply filling the demand for cheap labor?  If there was no demand the supply would go away.  Why not go after those who hire?  The employers actually have money and could be hurt by large fines.

Most of these people are not on welfare.  They are working and without a job being offered to them, they would not have come.  Illegal immigration is an easy problem to solve, but there are folks with big wallets that don't want it that way.  Either vote against people who take money form these businesses or stop complaining, because these illegal immigrants are currently being invited.

Excellent points all the way around, monkeybomb.  Kudos!

well theres 2 main points that youre missing here, you say they fill the demand for "cheap" labor. so say theres a contractor been in the buisness 15 years hes awesome, and charges for the fact that hes experienced and knows what hes doin. now some builder can hire this guy for 30$ an hour, or hire 2 immigrants for 15$ each.

I'd like to separate this from your "point".

Now this guy isnt getting the money he deserves,

What makes him "deserving" of getting paid $30/hr?  If your scenario is correct, then he should still be able to get paid that amount, shouldn't he?  I mean, if his skills and experience are worth that, then he should have NO PROBLEM getting paid that.  What you look at as "deserving" isn't jiving with reality.

also you know how many of these people are here illegally, taking cash payments not paying any taxes. and then sending money back to their own country, how is this helping our economy at all

As was already pointed out to you, that problem isn't the fault of the immigrant, and it isn't the fault of the "deserving" employee.  That problem is the direct result of lax enforcement of our labor laws, weak punishments when it IS enforced, and as the jokestory implies, the "revolving-door" policy regarding illegal immigration.

Also, the "taking cash and not paying any taxes" is such a staggeringly small proportion of the illegal immigration problem, I'm surprised you are buying into it.  I've been on the "record-keeping" end of this, and it isn't a "cash" problem.  ID's, Social Security numbers, INS cards....all of these can be found/bought/faked quite easily by someone who knows how our "system" works and is willing to sell it to people.  Look online somewhere for an I-9 form.  When the wording "to the best of my knowledge" is taken off of these forms because document education is a requirement, and prosecution of those scammers willing to fall back on that little piece of "how could I possibly know?" is harsh and swift, the immigration problem will start to take care of itself, and your "deserving" employees will be back in demand.

Your aim is quite poor.  You've targeted the end result, rather than the process/procedures/rules leading up to it.  To put it in clearer, more understandable terms for you:

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

[DrewKaree]

Stop the flow of the jobs - stop the flow of illegals.

Agreed.  What's works?  Reprimanding employers or reprimanding the illegal worker that we didn't even know was here much less who they are or where they are now?

Coming down hard on employers AND sending their illegal workers back....in fact, every time an illegal immigrant is found in our country in violation of the law, they should be shuttled to the next cargo plane flying them back to their country.  If their country doesn't happen to have a cargo plane flight scheduled, hold 'em and send 'em back via ship.  There's a reason it's a problem, and tying the hands of immigration officials is only the start of it (prosecution or enforcement of the laws removing them from our shores). 

BOTH need to be done, but making it EXTREMELY hard on employers would lead to opportunities drying up for illegal immigrants so they'd stop looking at this as a lottery - buy your ticket (sneak over the border) for a chance for riches (comparitively, to the chances you leave behind).  It'd also stop guys like Seph from looking at any furriner as someone "taking" jobs, since the odds of those furriners being LEGAL would increase, meaning they are here learning how to be $30/hr contractors....perhaps boosting Joe ThirtyBucksAnHour to do more for his money, or to learn to be more productive with his hours.

[GameOver]

(2005-06-30) -- ... President George Bush today announced that the U.S.-Mexico border has been renamed the 'U.S.-Mexico junction'.

Is this fer real?

The executive order changing the terminology...

Oh lordy...

... said Mr. Bush. "But I now understand that the real issue is the word 'border' itself. It's so forbidding and sounds like a barrier rather than place of coming together."

idiot...

... to retrain border guards for their new junction function, which closely mirrors the role of a Wal-Mart 'People Greeter'.

'junciton function' - I like that! [School House Rock] Conjunction junction, what's your function! [/School House Rock]

I guess Bush needed something else to grab on to since his Social Security legacy wannabe is over.

[monkeybomb]

Stop the flow of the jobs - stop the flow of illegals.

Agreed.  What's works?  Reprimanding employers or reprimanding the illegal worker that we didn't even know was here much less who they are or where they are now?

Coming down hard on employers AND sending their illegal workers back....in fact, every time an illegal immigrant is found in our country in violation of the law, they should be shuttled to the next cargo plane flying them back to their country.  If their country doesn't happen to have a cargo plane flight scheduled, hold 'em and send 'em back via ship.  There's a reason it's a problem, and tying the hands of immigration officials is only the start of it (prosecution or enforcement of the laws removing them from our shores). 

BOTH need to be done, but making it EXTREMELY hard on employers would lead to opportunities drying up for illegal immigrants so they'd stop looking at this as a lottery - buy your ticket (sneak over the border) for a chance for riches (comparitively, to the chances you leave behind).  It'd also stop guys like Seph from looking at any furriner as someone "taking" jobs, since the odds of those furriners being LEGAL would increase, meaning they are here learning how to be $30/hr contractors....perhaps boosting Joe ThirtyBucksAnHour to do more for his money, or to learn to be more productive with his hours.

I genuinely think the entire problem would go away without the cargo ships and just hitting the employers, but if I'm wrong, I'm all for cargo ships too.

[DrewKaree]

(2005-06-30) -- ... President George Bush today announced that the U.S.-Mexico border has been renamed the 'U.S.-Mexico junction'.

Is this fer real?

You sure do know how to make folks laugh!  Check out the link this was pulled from.

I think the site is entertaining for everyone, unless you're looking for a reason to be offended, in which case, those folks should go there too, so we can point and laugh

[GameOver]

Whew...I was ready to believe it tho.  I guess the 3 daiquiris I just drank haven't helped...GameOver goes red in the face...