I finally got my Glock 17C

[M3talhead]

After about 6 months of waiting, my paperwork came back for my new Glock. It normally doesnt take that long, but because I'm overseas, there are a few extra hurdles to jump through. Either way, its here.....

[crashwg]

A couple questions from the gun-ignorant...

What's the do-hicky above the clip in the case and what's up with that trigger?  The only thing's I've ever shot where the 2 BB and 1 Pelet gun I've owned.

[screaming]

A cover for the clip?

http://www.fidelisfirearms.com/images/firearms/Glock20_1.jpg

-sab

[SirPoonga]

what's up with that trigger?

[monkeybomb]

I'm not being anti-gun, I just don't get it.  A lot of people don't get why we love arcade games and why we would need more than one.  So take these questions like you would dumb arcade questions.

What do you plan on shooting?  Was it expensive?  Could you have gotten another arcade game instead?  It seems like any gun that shoots would be enough for the protection purpose, so why all the fuss?  Why would anyone want more than one?

[SirPoonga]

monkey, that's like asking someone why would they want more than one arcade cabinet, he/she already has one, why another?
Because you can.

Why the fuss, because you want a quality machine that will perform when needed.  Glocks are well known for their quality.  It's what many law enforcement uses.

Sometimes it is fun to just target shoot.  It's what I do most of the time.

It's like why would someone want a 140hp 2300cc motorcycle (see my triumph rocket iii thread), because it is fun

[monkeybomb]

monkey, that's like asking someone why would they want more than one arcade cabinet, he/she already has one, why another?
Because you can.

Why the fuss, because you want a quality machine that will perform when needed.  Glocks are well known for their quality.  It's what many law enforcement uses.

Sometimes it is fun to just target shoot.  It's what I do most of the time.

It's like why would someone want a 140hp 2300cc motorcycle (see my triumph rocket iii thread), because it is fun

Now I want to try one.  My uncle is a Harley riding type in rural Okahoma and he took me shooting when I was 12.  It was fun then but I haven't done it since.   

[tommy]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.  Why did you go with the weaker 9mm opposed to the 40 or 45?

Whats wrong with people haveing a gun MB, just to have a gun for protection is reason enough besides many other reasons and fun things gun owners are into.

[monkeybomb]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.

Whats wrong with people haveing a gun MB, just to have a gun for protection is reason enough besides many other reasons and fun things gun owners are into.

Nothing for most, I've got a friend in the Coast Guard and maybe I'll try with her sometime. But we do need to look out for the crazies who rotate guns on their avitar.

[tommy]

Thats a good one MB, if you look at the avatar very closely you will see it stops and points just for a second. 

[TOK]

M3talhead, is this your first Glock?
I had a Glock 26 and had a lot of trouble getting used to the trigger. First shot is a real long double action style pull, subsequent pulls are short and crisp if you don't let the trigger fully return to its forward position. I always had the first "long pull" shot go left on me.

I knew the 26 was accurate, it was just something I couldn't get used to. I also didn't like the thickness of a double stack for carry in the summer. I sold the 26 and got a Kahr PM-9. It's a much smaller single stack, but only holds 6 or 7 rounds depending on the mag you use. Trigger is double action only, so it has a long pull compared to the Glock, but it is much smoother and I'm more accurate with it despite it being considerably smaller. You might not have the problems with the 17 that I had with the 26 since you have a full sized grip.

[Zakk]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.

[DYNAGOD]

im so jealous, by law we cant have new Glocks in masschusetts becuase they dont meet donkey dick Bill O'Reilly's draconian notion of what a safe gun is.
we have to buy old,reconditioned pre-ban glocks.
 
so jealous
hows the compensator in low light conditions?

[TOK]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.  Why did you go with the weaker 9mm opposed to the 40 or 45?

Hehe that reminds me of Hans and Franz.  "Lookit his poony moscles and his poony 9 milaaameetor.  You need to pomp up your poony gon"

(BTW nice Glock MH.  FYI the spring on the slide and the clip shows up on airport xray )

Classic Glock myth perpetuated by Die Hard (the ceramic Glock). The whole slide and barrel are metal. Only the grip and frame is polymer (and the frame has metal insterts for the slide to move on).

[danny_galaga]

i dunno, as soon as everyone has one i lose interest. all the cops have them, many armed guards, i THINK they use em in our army. boring!

gimme an M1 carbine and a steel helmet any day (",)

[danny_galaga]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.

[tommy]

i dunno, as soon as everyone has one i lose interest. all the cops have them, many armed guards, i THINK they use em in our army. boring!

gimme an M1 carbine and a steel helmet any day (",)

I dont understand that logic, because many people use a certain gun means you dont like it anymore, if anything you should want it more because its been proven a fine pistol and deemed fit for law enforcement.

[Zakk]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.

[tommy]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.

[Zakk]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.

[sc1103]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.  Why did you go with the weaker 9mm opposed to the 40 or 45?

Whats wrong with people haveing a gun MB, just to have a gun for protection is reason enough besides many other reasons and fun things gun owners are into.

since its for protection (and even for target practice) why isn't a 9mm enough? shouldn't that harm/incapacitate someone? or do you need something extra hefty in your pants 

You would be surprised, say a doped up guy breakes into the house a 9mm is NOT enough to stop him.

Wouldn't that depend on where you hit him? Or is that just dumb im-not-a-gun-enthusist logic? Don't get me wrong. I eventually plan on getting one for safety, but not right now cuz the cabinet costs all the $$$ 

[SirPoonga]

I was joking.  I know the bullets can be made out of ice though, so that they melt in the victim and leave no sign... or are you going to tell me THAT'S a myth of the movies too! 

You didn't see mythbusters, did you.

[TOK]

I was joking.  I know the bullets can be made out of ice though, so that they melt in the victim and leave no sign... or are you going to tell me THAT'S a myth of the movies too! 

Well, you called a magazine a clip, which made me question your firearm knowledge. There are a lot of people that believe that crap. Sorry, didn't mean to offend.

[Zakk]

I was joking.

[Tailgunner]

I dont understand that logic, because many people use a certain gun means you dont like it anymore, if anything you should want it more because its been proven a fine pistol and deemed fit for law enforcement.

Personally I don't think "fit for law enforcement" is much of a selling point. To most cops, their sidearm is just another tool on their belt, and they might shoot it once or twice a year when they qualify.

Cases in point:

SAN ANTONIO (AP) - This is one story they'll be telling around the San Antonio Police Department for a long time. An off-duty officer was at a San Antonio auto auction house yesterday when nature called, a police spokesman said.

Officer Craig Clancy strolled to the appropriate facility and was lowering his trousers when his pistol fell from his waistband. When Clancy fumbled for the falling firearm, it went off, twice.

One of the bullets nicked a bit of floor tile into the leg of a man who was washing his hands nearby. That man was taken to a nearby hospital for treatment.

Police internal affairs is investigating.


GARDEN CITY, Idaho (AP) - After officers fired 22 shots at a fleeing man without hitting him, Boise and Garden City police departments say they'll pay nearly $7,000 to repair bullet holes in homes that were hit during the wild confrontation.

According to insurance claims filed with both departments by residents, shots fired by four officers in pursuit of 39-year-old Harlan Hale hit doors, windows, window moldings, garage doors, an all-terrain-vehicle and a clothes dryer. No one was injured in the March 9 chase.

Garden City is a town of about 11,000 residents surrounded by the city of Boise.

The shots came as police tried to apprehend Hale, who had been the target of a manhunt after he was accused of shooting at two Boise police officers during a traffic stop on Feb. 28.

He was arrested March 9 less than a mile from the neighborhood. After a short car chase, Hale drove through a back yard and over a shed before crashing his car into an irrigation canal.


http://www.big-boys.com/articles/firstdayon.html

[M3talhead]

what's up with that trigger?

[Bones]

It's like why would someone want a 140hp 2300cc motorcycle

I know this one! It's because they can't afford a 180hp Ducati!!! 

[SirPoonga]

It looks funny because its actually a "trigger inside a trigger". You need to squeeze the smaller trigger first in order to release the lock on the firing trigger.

I never understood how this was a safety.  It isn't that safe.  You can pull the trigger and it fires.  Unlike other gun safeties where you pull the trigger and nothing happens.

[M3talhead]

It looks funny because its actually a "trigger inside a trigger". You need to squeeze the smaller trigger first in order to release the lock on the firing trigger.

I never understood how this was a safety.  It isn't that safe.  You can pull the trigger and it fires.  Unlike other gun safeties where you pull the trigger and nothing happens.

Firearms were never meant to be in the hands of incompetent people. Yes, it is unfortunate that it happens, but in the case of Glock, their primary customers are law enforcement (worldwide), military, and government agencies. By signing your ownership license, you are acknowledging that you are a responsible individual and that you will always maintain complete control over your weapon. Period. There can be no interpretation whatsoever.

On the otherhand, I've seen a Beretta 92 (standard military issue) discharge after being dropped, with the safety on. It is mechanicaly impossible for a Glock to discharge when dropped due to its triple safety system. The only way it can ever fire, is by squeezing the trigger with 5.5 lbs of pressure (or 3.5 with the upgrade).

Period.

[SirPoonga]

Firearms were never meant to be in the hands of incompetent people. Yes, it is unfortunate that it happens, but in the case of Glock, their primary customers are law enforcement (worldwide), military, and government agencies. By signing your ownership license, you are acknowledging that you are a responsible individual and that you will always maintain complete control over your weapon. Period. There can be no interpretation whatsoever.

Right right, a responsible person will not have his/her finger on the trigger unless he/she is actually going to shoot it.

I've been getting into this airsoft stuff.  I like it better than paintball since the guns are more realistic (and you can actually be accurate with them).  I've been looking at getting a full replica of a glock 19 that uses gas, and part of the gas is used to create a realistic blowback, the slide slides back like it was actually ejecting a shell.

[Dartful Dodger]

Congrats M3talhead

What's the do-hicky above the clip in the case

It

[tommy]

Thats the point stopping power.

[M3talhead]

Thats the point stopping power.

Again, I'll revert to what I said a few posts above. Stopping power does no good if it doesnt hit its target. At 2 am, you're still sleepy, uncoordinated, and adreneline is coarsing through your veins. That .40 or .45 is going to be a lot harder to control since it has more kick and nore weight.

To get a good feeling of what this is like, next time you go shooting, set up a target about 5 yards away, and turn around so you're facing away from it. Place your weapon on the ground and do 10-15 pushups as fast as you can, then get up, turn around, and squeeze off 2 rounds. I guarantee your "hit" percentage will be higher with a 9mm, than with .40 or .45. if repeated.

[tommy]

What you're saying is skill not caliber,if i had one shot to shoot i want more punch to my shot.


I shot many guns and the kick isnt much difference to make me miss if you're experienced.

[danny_galaga]

i dunno, as soon as everyone has one i lose interest. all the cops have them, many armed guards, i THINK they use em in our army. boring!

gimme an M1 carbine and a steel helmet any day (",)

I dont understand that logic, because many people use a certain gun means you dont like it anymore, if anything you should want it more because its been proven a fine pistol and deemed fit for law enforcement.

because nothing you say will convince me owning a glock is anything more than a fashion statement  and you are more the sheep type who follows the crowd when it comes to it and im more the herder who leads you 

[danny_galaga]

Nice Glock, as they all are, there real easy to clean and take apart, that model is similar to my Glock 23.

[tommy]

You're going alittle overboard with your comparisons, please explain your sheep/herder comment.

[danny_galaga]

well, a sheep follows the latest fashions, a herder creates them. i thought it would have been self-explanatory. coming from such a christian country i would have thought it obvious 

yes, i am jesus! amen.

[tommy]

The Glock pistol as well as many guns are reliable, just like a certain method of cab building, that dosent mean i follow, it means i like to do things the best way that we (as a people) know how, if thats what you're referring to.

One day in your life (i hope it never happends) you will need a gun for protection and you will be helpless.

[danny_galaga]

The Glock pistol as well as many guns are reliable, just like a certain method of cab building, that dosent mean i follow, it means i like to do things the best way that we (as a people) know how, if thats what you're referring to.

One day in your life (i hope it never happends) you will need a gun for protection and you will be helpless.

ho hum. even in america 99.9 % of people live their whole lives without ever needing to have used a gun. in five years youll buy the new latest gun even though people wont actually be any harder to shoot- that is a good indicator of fashion.

 ill leave it at that because this has all been gone over before here. there was a guy named T_A_pilot (i think) who ONLY talked about guns. he had no interest in cabs. anyway, for the record BECAUSE of these forums i am a little LESS anti-gun than i used to be.

to summarise, there are two points i raised.

surely a 9mm is enough to incapacitate someone? (if it doesnt the first time, shoot him again! dont you train every week for this? surely you have more than one bullet in there?).

and my other point is that owning a glock seems to be the latest fashion. surely there are other guns that are just as good? it's not a racing car. you just need to stop an intruder with it. i dont know a lot about the world of guns i admit but the first example that comes to mind is the australian army. they stopped using M16s maybe 15- 20 years ago in favour of steyrs (which are licence built here). obviously we adopted them because we thought they were superior. so that should mean that all armies will adopt them (including the US) because they are better.

anyway, for more of the same look up t a pilots threads...

[dmsuchy]

9MM is a junk round and has been proven to NOT stop a person, it is a great round for target shooting and still is a fine weapon for home protection. The Chicago police force has just changed from issueing 9mm to 40 mm because of the stopping power of the 40mm. I carry a 40mm and feel it is an ideal round, but thats just my opinion. Nice gun by the way, I remember when they first came out and advertised the gun with a "space age polymer".

[Santoro]

Guns scare me to death to have at home, but I love rifle target shooting (I did it in Boy Scout camp 22 years ago) 

If I bought a handgun for target shooting, do firing ranges provide secure storage if I wanted to leave it there?

[tommy]

Ranges dont hold your guns and you shouldnt want them to, if you buy a gun you store it, you dont want someone else having access to your weapon.

DG Whats all this fashion talk, i own one gun i dont need an arsenal, why are you telling me what im going to be buying and why.

Like you said "you dont know much about guns" i can tell.

[Zakk]

Hmm, I'm sensing a lot of pent up hostility here... there's only one way to settle this...

A drunken barn dance/shootout!


yeeeeeehawwwwww!

(Sorry, go on about your moon shine and 'gater wrasslin')

 

[tommy]

<<Forgets he ever got involved in a gun thread and calmly steps away from the post button. 

[DrewKaree]

Hmm, I'm sensing a lot of pent up hostility here... there's only one way to settle this...

A drunken barn dance/shootout!


yeeeeeehawwwwww!

(Sorry, go on about your moon shine and 'gater wrasslin')

 

Moonshine is one word, and I believe you also want to throw a ho down in there.  And I spelled the version correctly....at least the kind I was referring to.

[DarkKobold]

Just remember: God didn't create all men equal -
 
Smith and Wesson did.

[Zakk]

Well really, we all need to throw a ho down once in a while, I mean that IS what they're for, after all.

[M3talhead]

Well, this thread turned to crap overnight. Here are my final thoughts:

• People have been getting into the "skill vs caliber" debate for years, and neither party is right. It takes a certain amount of both to be effective.
• Guns are not "fashionable". Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a serious lesson in life.
• Glocks have been around for 20 odd years and are the choice weapon for many government agencies and military organizations all over the world. There's probably a reason.
Don't let this thread get into a "why this gun is better", or "why guns suck" thread. If you have something to contribute, feel free. Otherwise, let it go! 

[DrewKaree]

HO DOWN!

[TOK]

Well, this thread turned to crap overnight. Here are my final thoughts:

• People have been getting into the "skill vs caliber" debate for years, and neither party is right. It takes a certain amount of both to be effective.
• Guns are not "fashionable". Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a serious lesson in life.
• Glocks have been around for 20 odd years and are the choice weapon for many government agencies and military organizations all over the world. There's probably a reason.
Don't let this thread get into a "why this gun is better", or "why guns suck" thread. If you have something to contribute, feel free. Otherwise, let it go! 

Naturally, reliability is one of the reasons that Glock's are chosen by many police forces, and I'm not contending that they're great guns, but there is another "real world" reason that isn't discussed as much... Glock offers HUGE discounts to law enforcement. It sounds silly, but think of the cost to a city of outfitting hundreds of officers with guns. If a city can save $20,000 by choosing Glock over Beretta or S&W to outfit a few hundred officers, you know they're gonna be all over it.

[SirPoonga]

[li]Guns are not "fashionable". Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a serious lesson in life.[/li]

Wrong, you haven't been to gun shows or seen antique guns.  Some of the engravings are very elaborate.  You don't put fancy engravings on unless you want to look good

[chasmosis]

I carry a 40mm and feel it is an ideal round, but thats just my opinion.

Isn't it a little hard to carry around??

What about the kick?

.40 caliber maybe?

[Dartful Dodger]

so following THAT reasoning, wouldnt you rather have one 'o' those .50 calibre deer hunting pistols? !!)

I'd rather have a high caliber rifle, but the people at my local grocery store frown on me when I'm shopping with an AR-15 over my shoulder.

There is an old saying, never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.  Hand guns are only used because you can

[Zakk]

There is an old saying, never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

[M3talhead]

[li]Guns are not "fashionable". Anyone who thinks otherwise needs a serious lesson in life.[/li]

Wrong, you haven't been to gun shows or seen antique guns.  Some of the engravings are very elaborate.  You don't put fancy engravings on unless you want to look good

Sorry, I forgot about "those" people.  When I said that, it was the military in me that was talking. I see guns as tools. Some I can see as art, but pieces like those 1911s that have intricate engravings on 'em are a little much. Anyways, I have yet to see someone take one of those fancy pieces and use it as their CCW.

There is an old saying, never bring a pistol to a rifle fight. 

I thought it was "never bring a knife to a gunfight?" 

You're both wrong.

Never bring a gun to a Glock fight....

[SirPoonga]

Sorry, I forgot about "those" people.

[Dire Radiant]

Very nice M3talhead. Now just don't shoot yourself in the teeth ok?

[Stingray]

9MM is a junk round and has been proven to NOT stop a person

Well of course I'm only speaking for myself here, but I feel very confident in saying that if you shoot me with a 9mm, I'll stop.

-S

[M3talhead]

Very nice M3talhead. Now just don't shoot yourself in the teeth ok?

Damn. And here I was thinking that would even things out! 

[DrewKaree]

What's the weight of all of these differently-sized rounds?  I'm gonna have to see which one is lightest, because throwing one will definitely be easier if they're lighter, and I'll prolly need several, although for Stingray, I can prolly find a big rock instead and save all my ducats for someone fearsome......ish.

[DrewKaree]

9MM is a junk round and has been proven to NOT stop a person, it is a great round for target shooting and still is a fine weapon for home protection.

Tell that to the guy who's had several of those "junk rounds" inserted into him.  Speak loudly.  He may be dead and thus have a hard time hearing you.

[danny_galaga]

and I believe you also want to throw a ho down in there.

[danny_galaga]

Naturally, reliability is one of the reasons that Glock's are chosen by many police forces, and I'm not contending that they're great guns, but there is another "real world" reason that isn't discussed as much... Glock offers HUGE discounts to law enforcement. It sounds silly, but think of the cost to a city of outfitting hundreds of officers with guns. If a city can save $20,000 by choosing Glock over Beretta or S&W to outfit a few hundred officers, you know they're gonna be all over it.

that explains a lot for me. thanks TOK (",)

[danny_galaga]

so following THAT reasoning, wouldnt you rather have one 'o' those .50 calibre deer hunting pistols? !!)

I'd rather have a high caliber rifle, but the people at my local grocery store frown on me when I'm shopping with an AR-15 over my shoulder.

There is an old saying, never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

[DrewKaree]

After searching high and low, hither and yon, over hill AND dale, I believe I've finally found a gun even the staunchest anti-gun person is willing to allow gun-loving people to own and use.  I present to you:

[tommy]

I can always count on drew for a good chuckle.