My civic is more UB3R than YOURS!!!

[screaming]

Hey all,

  My girlfriend got in a minor accident a while ago and is looking to get her hood replaced.  We found a decent hood for her '99 Honda Civic for around $100, but people want $300 to paint it the same color as her car, Hunter Green!! I can't believe it's that expensive!

  What's a reasonable price for this?  Am I off the wall thinking that's too expensive?

-sab

edit:  Just changed the title to match the thread

[Sephroth57]

thats basicly what youre gonna pay, id say no less then 200$ if you get lucky

[screaming]

Yikes.. I wonder if it's worth it to trade it in as it is instead of spending $400 to replace to hood and hope it raises the value of the car $400, at least!

[GGKoul]

I agree thats high.

If you don't want to pay for getting it painted.  Then I would look for a civic hood that matches the colour of your girlfriends civic.

And no it won't raise the value $400.

[screaming]

Thanks for the info!  I'm just going to tell her to just get the hood and not worry about the color.

-sab

[GGKoul]

Thanks for the info!

[Stingray]

This is a used hood, I assume? If so $300 sounds about right for a good job. If it were new it would be somewhat less as there is less prep work involved.

-S

[screaming]

Thanks for the info!  I'm just going to tell her to just get the hood and not worry about the color.

-sab

What would be the colour combination?

  Green car, black hood...?

[screaming]

This is a used hood, I assume? If so $300 sounds about right for a good job. If it were new it would be somewhat less as there is less prep work involved.

  Yeah, used hood.  $300 is just too much to spend on a car she's just going to trade in anyway.. Unless she were to get a significant return on it.. which it doesn't seem like will happen.

-sab

[tommy]

Thanks for the info!

[pointdablame]

Thanks for the info!  I'm just going to tell her to just get the hood and not worry about the color.

-sab

What would be the colour combination?

  Green car, black hood...?

Just leave the black hood on it, thats how some of the honda racers leave there hoods when the buy a new one to reduce weight.

That only works if it's a carbon fiber hood though.

[paigeoliver]

How much is the carbon fiber hood? Just buy that.

Or, really if you are trading it in then don't buy anything, they are gonna rip you a new one on the trade in anyway, no reason to invest.

[SOAPboy]

How much is the carbon fiber hood? Just buy that.

Or, really if you are trading it in then don't buy anything, they are gonna rip you a new one on the trade in anyway, no reason to invest.

why so she looks like a dirty ricer?

Keep looking around.. you can get your hood painted for about 150 if you look hard enough.. and tehres always mom and pop places that do stuff cheaper.. just keep looking..

[SOAPboy]

Thanks for the info!

[Stingray]

Keep looking around.. you can get your hood painted for about 150 if you look hard enough.. and tehres always mom and pop places that do stuff cheaper.. just keep looking..

If you want a cheap, crappy job you can always find someone willing to accomidate you. As I said, $300 sounds right for quality workmanship.

Oh and you could very easily expect to pay more than the cost of a steel hood plus the cost of having it painted for a carbon fiber hood. Those things are not cheap.

-S

[pointdablame]

yeah whatever hood you got used for $100 is NOT carbon fiber.  I was just saying that the black hood/painted car looks is the "cool" thing to do for ricers.  That cool looking hood and 15lb weight reduction turns your Civic into a 10 second car... duh!!!   

[GGKoul]

Look at it this way.  If you don't fix the hood and place a different colour hood on the car.  The car will be worth much less then a similar civic during trade in. 

[Stingray]

  That cool looking hood and 15lb weight reduction turns your Civic into a 10 second car... duh!!!   

And of course if you stick a four foot tall spoiler and an exhaust pipe the size of a coffee can on there you instantly transform any car into a race car.  Add 10 HP for every decal you apply to the exterior. 15 HP if they are in Japanese.

-S

[pointdablame]

  That cool looking hood and 15lb weight reduction turns your Civic into a 10 second car... duh!!!   

And of course if you stick a four foot tall spoiler and an exhaust pipe the size of a coffee can on there you instantly transform any car into a race car.  Add 10 HP for every decal you apply to the exterior. 15 HP if they are in Japanese.

-S

and the spoiler makes sure you car stays on the ground... since it's so powerful thanks to your decals that you're likely to just take off the ground at any moment.

[Sephroth57]

hey im all for rice bashing, but us true racers actually use CF hoods for weight reduction..   i have no gay stickers, and i race at the track... so there =P

[missioncontrol]

just get a couple cans of spray paint for a few bucks and problem solved   

[pointdablame]

hey im all for rice bashing, but us true racers actually use CF hoods for weight reduction..   i have no gay stickers, and i race at the track... so there =P

CF hoods should be one of the last things that you do though... there is no need to scrape a few pounds of weight reduction the day you get your car.  I'm not saying you did mind you.. I'm just going with what I see near me.

- Kid buys bone stock Civic
- Kid adds 200lbs of stereo equipment
- Kid adds 80-100lbs of fugly body kit (often unpainted, which makes them even fuglier)
- Kid gets CF hood and brags how it saves him 50lbs... not noting that the car is effectively 150lbs heavier than stock... and still bone stock performance-wise
- Kid tries to race anything he sees, and comes up with excuses when he gets his @$$ handed to him.


I love those kids though.... the faces they make when I spank them with a 92 Cadillac that weighs roughly 9million pounds is wonderful.

[Sephroth57]

oh yeah i agree, well id be lieing if i said i got it strictly for weight reduction but i was pushing more than 300HP before i got it so.. just wanted somethin nice for the outside without getting a ridiculous bodykit or something

[Stingray]

hey im all for rice bashing, but us true racers actually use CF hoods for weight reduction..   i have no gay stickers, and i race at the track... so there =P

Wow, you're into rhythm games and you're into racing Japanese cars? I think I've lost any shred of respect I had for you.

J/K, my car is probably making all of about 35 HP, I'm sure you'd make me look like a complete idiot if I were dumb enough to go out on the track with you.

-S

[SOAPboy]

hey im all for rice bashing, but us true racers actually use CF hoods for weight reduction..

[Sephroth57]

hey im all for rice bashing, but us true racers actually use CF hoods for weight reduction..

[SOAPboy]

hey im all for rice bashing, but us true racers actually use CF hoods for weight reduction..

[tommy]

I for one am not into those 4 banger lawmower engines, but just like any motor done up they are fast, to say 4 bangers are slow is not true.

As for the hood problem in my original post i wasnt saying he should buy a CF hood, i was just getting at that they come painted black and to solve the paint problem ,leave it black so it looks like it was done on purpose for racing.

Mustangs Rule.     

[SOAPboy]

I for one am not into those 4 banger lawmower engines, but just like any motor done up they are fast, to say 4 bangers are slow is not true.

As for the hood problem in my original post i wasnt saying he should buy a CF hood, i was just getting at that they come painted black and to solve the paint problem ,leave it black so it looks like it was done on purpose for racing.

Mustangs Rule.

[paigeoliver]

I think the 4-banger race thing became so popular because Detroit stopped putting out affordable rear drive V8 cars. No cheap ones at all, and assuming you avoided the ULTRA-HEAVY ones that left you with 2 choices, Camaros and Mustangs.

It IS sort of silly though to buy a $17,000 car and then spend $15,000 more to make it almost on par with a $25,000 car.

I do like suspension and handling mods though, if I was into that scene then that is all I would do, suspension, handling, and brakes. Juicing up the engine just to lose to stock camaros is just silly, and its only useful on the street if you want to drive like a moron, which you cans till do cheaper with a stock Camaro or Mustang.

[SOAPboy]

I think the 4-banger race thing became so popular because Detroit stopped putting out affordable rear drive V8 cars. No cheap ones at all, and assuming you avoided the ULTRA-HEAVY ones that left you with 2 choices, Camaros and Mustangs.

It IS sort of silly though to buy a $17,000 car and then spend $15,000 more to make it almost on par with a $25,000 car.

I do like suspension and handling mods though, if I was into that scene then that is all I would do, suspension, handling, and brakes. Juicing up the engine just to lose to stock camaros is just silly, and its only useful on the street if you want to drive like a moron, which you cans till do cheaper with a stock Camaro or Mustang.

hell yeah, auto cross + civics and such is great fun.. but by no means are they FAST cars..

[Sephroth57]

OMG i just typed this decent sized reply and then it said my pic was too big, and i hit back and it was gone. But anyway the basic jist was, I ran 13.5 last time at the track but since then ive gotten a bunch of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. im definately hitting 12s this summer. but im really more into autocross than dragging

btw, 4g63T engine can easily take 400-500HP on stock internals. DSMs are the v8 slayers, 4 bangers can own v8s, just not those crappy SOHC honduh engines.

[Sephroth57]

some action shots

[screaming]

I wear my sunglasses at night.

[Crazy Cooter]

You might be able to score a matching hood with a WTB thread on http://www.honda-tech.com/

[screaming]

You might be able to score a matching hood with a WTB thread on http://www.honda-tech.com/

  Woah, thanks for the tip!  I went over there and signed up for an account, but it says I need to wait 2 weeks before I can post a classified?  Dang.

-sab

[nostrebor]

Buying a bone stock Civic ------------------------------------------- $15,000

Adding plastic bodyparts, coffee can, CF hood, plastic a-pillar pod with Wal Mart guages, chrome plated air box and strut tower braces...etc. -------I don't know, Ummmm --------------------------------------------------------------------- $5,000

Smoking this Civic owner for three lights in a row in a 93 Taurus with a baby seat in the back, an overweight/balding middleage man who likes to wave, and a bubbly wife with no drag skillz in the drivers seat ------------------------------------------------------ priceless

(ricer owners should learn to look for the initials "SHO" prior to making challenges )

[GGKoul]

Ya yes... The classic SHO Yamaha engine....  Nice...

Similar the my buddies SVT Ford Contour, people have no idea how much SVT  horsepower is under my buddies Contour.

[ChadTower]

My brother regularly smokes ricers with his beaten up Crown Vic.  I mean SMOKES them.

I mean, duh, it was a cop car.

[pointdablame]

The problem is ricers will race anything that they THINK they can beat... which usually means they go after regular sedans and the like.  They won't think SHO or SVT, they just say.. contour... I can take that.   And god forbid someone built a sleeper with some power as opposed to a decal-clad, bright purple, high winged, monstrosity....

I've actually had a young(er) kid in my town eye me down and rev his engine while I was driving my mother's baby blue 88 Oldsmobile... I rolled down the window and had to ask him "are you serious... you don't feel embarassed trying to race a 15+ year old OLDSMOBILE"

He wasn't happy with my statement.  I got a laugh out of it though.

[SOAPboy]

OMG i just typed this decent sized reply and then it said my pic was too big, and i hit back and it was gone. But anyway the basic jist was, I ran 13.5 last time at the track but since then ive gotten a bunch of <auto-censored>. im definately hitting 12s this summer. but im really more into autocross than dragging

btw, 4g63T engine can easily take 400-500HP on stock internals. DSMs are the v8 slayers, 4 bangers can own v8s, just not those crappy SOHC honduh engines.

Nice to see your doing Autocross..

and no, they arnt V8 Slayers.. lmfao.. one of the 2 fastest production cars in the world is a v8.. >_<

[Crazy Cooter]

and no, they arnt V8 Slayers.. lmfao.. one of the 2 fastest production cars in the world is a v8.. >_<

That's how a lot of people think... hence the name.

Not all 4-cylinder cars are "rice".  A turbocharged 4-cyl can more than hold it's own against a V8, especially when it's awd.  Torque & horsepower don't know if their coming from 2,4,6,8, or more cylinders.

Now the aluminum wings and body kits... that's a whole different animal.  An ugly, ugly animal.

[tep0583]

Ya yes... The classic SHO Yamaha engine....

[delta88]

ok, well liking both sides.. here are some referance points from our stock honda 4banger, 90 toro 3.6l v6 and 77 olds 403cid 6.6 and some other cars ive meet up with..

gotta 2000 civic EX Vtec SOHC 5spd with roughly 55k on it and its like new still.. like everything.. perfect still... reverse is tricky sometimes.

It can take on the freeway going to fast... not from a stop but top end stuff.. outrunnin the other car, playing catch up...
 
1990 3800 stock 170hp
1995 3800 stock 200hp
1995 2.0L Contour well used <--- Skatedetroit

cars I have ran into that I don't know the owners of:

Some Mustang GT last body style before whats out now
99-00 buick century
a few f-150's
some dodge turbo diesl
that fancy Mark 8 with the cool tail light
Some 2dr Acura riced out
sunfires- pick one...
Audi A6 8? one of the two... made a turn and took off leaving them behind.. well never caught up...they were trying...

I mean the can do 130...(done once)

This was all on the freeway and the others were pokin around like "lok at the punks in the honda"

now up against a BMW/Benz or something else with some real go I dunno, ya gotta use some sense.. or your limitations...
 It did keep up with this BMW wagon clippin up to 109....

"besy" is bone stock, But "she" moves on the open road. Corners liek a champ on the 16x7 wheels runnin Toyo proxie FZ4's. shes a daily driver and the Fiances' but don't tell her bout this ... shhhhhhh....


Then again my little 3800 was gonna run down some kid in a svt contour that thought he was slick s#*@..


The civy did take her moms 94 Sho though..

oh yeah..there are stock 4 "bangers" that run lows in the .25

[SOAPboy]

and no, they arnt V8 Slayers.. lmfao.. one of the 2 fastest production cars in the world is a v8.. >_<

That's how a lot of people think... hence the name.

Not all 4-cylinder cars are "rice".

[paigeoliver]

Back in High School (around 1993-94), we used to race our Ford Escorts ALL THE TIME. But that was only because there were like 25 of us at the school that all had pre-89 escorts. Mine was an 88' and usually won, because I was the only one bright enough to run without a passenger!

Although my FIRST car was an 84 Regal Turbo, still the fastest car I have ever driven. Too bad some drunk fool totalled it (ran into it HARD while it was parked in front of my house).

[tommy]

These young kids always rev there engines it dosent matter what there driving or what your driving, there so happy to be in a car and want to be like the fast and the furious.

[pointdablame]

These young kids always rev there engines it dosent matter what there driving or what your driving, there so happy to be in a car and want to be like the fast and the furious.

DANGER TO MANIFOLD!!!1one!

I hope they reinforced the welds on their floor panels

[ChadTower]

I drive a stock Civic, bought it from a kid who wanted to make it a ricer.  Got it with 8k miles on it... guess the kid didn't realize it would cost him 3x the price of the car to make it raceable.  He had gotten as far as mirrors and rims, so it's a little riced out with the 15" rims and m3 mirrors.  I've had kids rev their engines at me because of it.  I bought it that way, though, with no intentions of ricing it.

[RayB]

I feel like I'm driving the last non-modded stock CRX...

[SOAPboy]

I feel like I'm driving the last non-modded stock CRX...

* SOAPboy Bows

im proud to know you

[DrewKaree]

Picture carting around 4 other people in one.....OFTEN.

I don't know if my wife will ever be able to repay me for that sacrifice.  Luckily, I lub her and she has her own personal hell living with me daily

I think I'd like an 88-89 base-model CRX again when the kids get pushed out the door.  Nice little car to take camping and whatnot.

Damn kids will prolly drive the prices of 'em up beyond what's reasonable, tho.

[Sephroth57]

see you guys are talking about hondas, those arent meant for racing.. im talking about like Mitsu Evos, or DSMs (eclipse, talon, laser), 300ZX, etc. those are actually fast 4 cylinders.

you can spend 3000 on a 90-94 AWD eclipse, spend like 1500 on mods, and run 12s all day.  i have nothing against v8s, except all new V8s these days are liek 30K or the old ones are all falling apart since they have carbs and need rebuilds, plus they guzzle gas like hell. Besides the fact you get associated with hicks if you drive a mustang or camaro. I do like 99+ trans ams though

[Stingray]

Besides the fact you get associated with hicks if you drive a mustang or camaro.

I don't own either of these but I think you're making a pretty broad generalization there.

Besides, you get assosciated with brainless ricer teenagers if you drive a modded Japanese car.

You also get associated with snobbish weinerheads if you drive a British car.

-S

[GGKoul]

I'll take a Nissan Skyline any day...

BTW:  My other car is a 5 cyl Volvo S70. 

[ChadTower]

Get a giant pickup with a Hemi, fill the bed with people to yell at the ricer, and STILL smoke them.

[SOAPboy]

see you guys are talking about hondas, those arent meant for racing.. im talking about like Mitsu Evos, or DSMs (eclipse, talon, laser), 300ZX, etc. those are actually fast 4 cylinders.

you can spend 3000 on a 90-94 AWD eclipse, spend like 1500 on mods, and run 12s all day.

[Buddabing]

PMFJI,

I know nothing about cars.

Please explain to me what a "ricer" is. To me, rice is a grain or a university.

Also, how much horsepower is good? Wouldn't a lighter car need less horsepower to get the same acceleration as a heavier car with more horsepower?

I saw an ad for a large truck that had "300 horsepower". Is that a lot? Is Sephroth's 450+ horsepower a lot?

I looked up my car and it has a 277 horsepower engine. But it is a V8. Do engines with 8 cylinders have more horsepower than an engine with fewer cylinders, barring exotic superchargers and other additions?

Do hybrid engines really have the same power as pure gasoline engines? I have trouble believing that.

Buddabing

[DrewKaree]

Do hybrid engines really have the same power as pure gasoline engines? I have trouble believing that.

You shouldn't have any trouble believing that.  They are capable of moving a large mass quite a distance.  The trouble comes in believing that a hybrid engine can deliver the same performance, horsepower/torque wise, as a gasoline engine. 

I always get a kick out of seeing people piss money away in tricking out their car to the Nth degree....then you see them head into their apartment they compromised on living in since they want to spend as much money as possible on even MORE improvements on their car.

Hey Stingray, I had a friend with a Triumph, and he wasn't a snobbish wienerhead....are you sure it's just not you?   That was another car I enjoyed using Mag lights for headlights in a friggen electrical emergency one night!

[tommy]

I think its obvious that a smaller car needs less engine to move it, but you never have enough horse power if your a car guy, i do think 300 horse is better then average for a production car.

[Crazy Cooter]

The trouble comes in believing that a hybrid engine can deliver the same performance, horsepower/torque wise, as a gasoline engine.

Half-truths! (I've been waiting to use that term)

Actually a hybrid can deliver in the torque category, but not the horspower:
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/New/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/38254/Act/Specs/
2005 Toyota Prius
Size, liters/cu. in  1.5/91 
Horsepower @ rpm  76 @ 4500 
Torque (lb-ft) @ rpm  82 @ 4200 
Availability  Standard1 
EPA city / highway mpg 
CVT automatic  60/51 
Notes: 1. Gas engine; electric motor has 67 hp @ 1200 rpm and 295 lb-ft @ 0-1200 rpm. 
 
Not that I'd ever be caught dead in a Prius.

[pointdablame]

PMFJI,

I know nothing about cars.

Please explain to me what a "ricer" is. To me, rice is a grain or a university.

Also, how much horsepower is good? Wouldn't a lighter car need less horsepower to get the same acceleration as a heavier car with more horsepower?

I saw an ad for a large truck that had "300 horsepower". Is that a lot? Is Sephroth's 450+ horsepower a lot?

I looked up my car and it has a 277 horsepower engine. But it is a V8. Do engines with 8 cylinders have more horsepower than an engine with fewer cylinders, barring exotic superchargers and other additions?

Do hybrid engines really have the same power as pure gasoline engines? I have trouble believing that.

Buddabing

Ricer has some different meaning for different people, but in general, a "ricer" is a person who mods an Import car either 1) just for looks ie. "all show, no go", or 2) mods it mechanically or cosmetically, but has some outrageous parts (huge unnecessary wings, 832 stickers on the car, etc etc.   You would call a car "rice" if it has these massive wings, body kits, etc etc.   Again though, some people think one thing is "rice" while others dont...

You'll never get a "right" answer on how much horsepower is good.  Depends on the car, the person, and what you're trying to do.  If you are going to get some groceries, your 115hp civic (or whatever) is just fine.  If you are a car guy... there is never enough. NEVER

That being said, I PERSONALLY think that anything over 300hp (for cars) is respectable.. but again... 300hp in a civic is a lot different than 300hp in a Cadillac sedan. 

In general, it's not a stretch to say that a stock V8 will have more horsepower than a 4banger or V6.  Again though, its far from a rule.  There are imports that are tuned for performance from the factory that make more power than a common sedan, just as there are 100hp Hondas and 500HP V8 sportscars.  There is no rule.

I don't know much about Hybrids, so I can't really speak about that.

[paigeoliver]

Isn't the cheapest route to a nasty fast car still the same as it has always been? Buy 2 cars, a good running (but junky rusted out turd of a car) big block equipped 4 door beast, and a lighter rear drive 70s V6 car and swap the engines between the 2?

I remember them doing that in the car magazines all the time and getting cars that run 12s for like $1000 or less total.

[SOAPboy]

Isn't the cheapest route to a nasty fast car still the same as it has always been? Buy 2 cars, a good running (but junky rusted out turd of a car) big block equipped 4 door beast, and a lighter rear drive 70s V6 car and swap the engines between the 2?

I remember them doing that in the car magazines all the time and getting cars that run 12s for like $1000 or less total.

Yeah its pretty much the same now.. just harder to get bug 8s into smaller cars now due to size..

[grueinthebox]

Yeah its pretty much the same now.. just harder to get bug 8s into smaller cars now due to size..

http://www.cardomain.com/id/jb3452

Not my car.  Not an original idea, but probably the nicest implementation I've seen.

[Crazy Cooter]

Those miata conversions aren't cheap though.

[DrewKaree]

The trouble comes in believing that a hybrid engine can deliver the same performance, horsepower/torque wise, as a gasoline engine.

Half-truths! (I've been waiting to use that term)

Actually a hybrid can deliver in the torque category, but not the horspower:

MORE HALF TRUTHS FROM THE OPPOSITION!  (btw, don't wait to throw about claims like that.  It may be silly, but it feels good once in a while to throw stuff like that out there for no reason other than to incite debate....really!  Even if it's just joke-debate

From your link, (and I fixed it for ya)  we find the following:
http://auto.consumerguide.com - Cooter's Link
2005 Toyota Prius
Size, liters/cu. in  1.5/91 
Horsepower @ rpm  76 @ 4500 
Torque (lb-ft) @ rpm  82 @ 4200 
Availability  Standard1 
EPA city / highway mpg 
CVT automatic  60/51 

And from the same website, we find my results demonstrating a hybrid isn't even in the ballpark:

http://auto.consumerguide.com - Drew's SuperCool awesome "you're so wrong Cooter" link
Horsepower @ rpm  160-200 
Torque (lb-ft) @ rpm  235-255 
Availability  Standard or auto 
EPA city / highway mpg  5/7 blowing oil and other asorted stuff out the tailpipe 

I've looked for hybrids that can serve the purpose my comparison vehicle serves, but they just don't stand up....I think it'd be funny to see what a hybrid looked like when I tried to use it for my purposes just because Cooter said it would work based on his stats.

Not that I'd ever be caught dead in a Prius.

I ain't ashamed to be seen in my vehicle, heck, throw that Prius on the back of my vehicle, and I've got a "told ya so" grin on my face a mile wide!

I WOULD consider driving the Honda Insight, if they weren't so ungodly expensive. 

Those car manufacturers aren't retarded.  They know if they make the price too attractive, they'll siphon more sales away from their easier-to-make gas-engine models, but if they price them low enough that the local dirt-eating sandal-wearing frog-licking tree-hugging wanna be's (or the ACTUAL "lol models" they want to be) think they're reasonably priced, they'll make some money from the green-friendly bunches too.

The animal/vegetable oil converted diesels are running around now, push for that to be worked on and improved, and you'll have REAL improvements.