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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #240 on: September 27, 2004, 08:00:14 pm »
(though, almost comically refrains from using the "quote" feature of the message board)
listen, STOP YELLING AT ME!  ;)  

I TOLD him and showed him this before, so stop getting on my case....MAN....can't a guy catch a break?  

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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #241 on: September 27, 2004, 08:40:31 pm »
said the Brit commenting on U.S. weapons pollicies.  

i've not been commenting on US weapons policies, ive been commenting on ownership of weapons in general. It could have been any country
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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #242 on: September 27, 2004, 09:28:27 pm »

TA, I SOOOO can't believe you passed over that comment FIRST!  You are slipping, man!  That rationale invalidates any of his comments!

Sorry, man.
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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #243 on: September 27, 2004, 09:34:07 pm »
i've not been commenting on US weapons policies, ive been commenting on ownership of weapons in general. It could have been any country

Actually, you've been trying to convince yourself that kids dont need to know how to safely deal with guns - and no matter what the reality of the situation might be, you're doing a darn good job of it.

I especially like the analogies w/ the blue whales.  

But, again, what it comes down to is that when you find your kid with his brains all over the ceiling, the first words through you rmind will be "oh, no....  he was right".




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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #244 on: September 27, 2004, 09:41:48 pm »
But, again, what it comes down to is that when you find your kid with his brains all over the ceiling, the first words through you rmind will be "oh, no....  he was right".

omg WHEN will you learn that that doesnt... happen... in Britain

sheesh

you're going round in circles now and not even listening to what im saying. and i wasnt saying that kids shouldnt be taught guns at an early age. i wasnt that specific.

i said that any people not in the active military or armed services of any kind should not have acccess to guns.

not just kids, but thats what it went down to.

depsite me trying to calm it down by saying in your country you need them, in our country we dont.

we're diffferent.

but still you couldnt accept that and kept saying about my kids getting their brains blown out.....

....with WHAT exactly????

an action man gun??? Mr Potato head??? a piece of chalk perhaps!!

cos thats the worsst they're going to get their hands on in this country.

people from britain, back me up please? this guys doing my head in, lol

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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #245 on: September 27, 2004, 09:49:09 pm »
WHEN will you learn that that doesnt... happen... in Britain

Bullshi'ite.  Where there are guns, there are gun accidents.
There are guns in the UK.  Thus, there are gun accidents in the UK.



're going round in circles now and not even listening to what im saying. and i wasnt saying that kids shouldnt be taught guns at an early age. i wasnt that specific.

And yet, thats been my argument over the last, what, 20 posts.   If you havent been arguing against my argument, what -have- you been arguing against?



I said that any people not in the active military or armed services of any kind should not have acccess to guns.

And that little gem is based on....?



but still you couldnt accept that and kept saying about my kids getting their brains blown out...with WHAT exactly????

Seems to me I posted a source from your government that shows how many guns you have in your country.

One of those.




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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #246 on: September 27, 2004, 09:52:37 pm »
meh...  ::)
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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #247 on: September 27, 2004, 10:25:54 pm »
i've not been commenting on US weapons policies, ive been commenting on ownership of weapons in general. It could have been any country
Well this reply is going to frustrate you then, but if you give a few good shoves....I think you've got most of your foot in there...one or two more and I think you can get the heel in there too.

You say "...in general.  It could have been any country", and yet, your words betray you, and it's not in my nature to let you casually brush off something when, clearly you should account for your words!
(and don't give me that 'it's so we can defend ourselves and our country,and take our country back from an opressive government' crap... you have that now and i dont see any of you taking to the streets)
see, THAT could be construed as "could have been any country".

... so if that's true you shouldn't have any higher a percentage of murders in your country than anywhere else, right?

how come The States then has more murders per year for the population, than most countries out there?

and I'm including countries that have guns,  not just the ones that dont.
OOPS!  There goes the pinky toe!

South Africa has been independant for  a loooong time.

And yes, we have strict gun control laws, and yes, we have less gun murders than you do.
SHUCKS!  There goes the next toe!

don't be so sure, when we ruled three quarters of the planet we thought the same (and have you seen how many countries are still part of the commonwealth? look for the british flags in other country's flags for just some of them)


So, in a way the USA isn't just protecting the world's supreme government, but it's protecting the world's supreme being.

You're kidding right? Now you think that the US is protecting GOD?

Jesus, you REALLY ARE up your own arses arent you
Well, I guess when you said it could be any country, what you meant was "I'll comment on the U.S. until it no longer suits my purpose and then I'll hope no one reads what I post.....would you like some (toe)jam with that third toe?

oh.... an American. That explains a lot.  ::)

See, over in the US, you seem to have a lot more NEED to defend yourselves with deadly force.... and therein lies our argument.
Good GOLLY...only one more toe to go!  Are you SURE you meant to say "could have been any country", cuz it sure seems like you refer to the U.S. almost exclusively in this, a U.S. POLICY THREAD.

Let's just agree that in The States guns are needed to feel safe against a more violent criminal aspect which more often than not is armed... and in Europe and elsewhere guns are not needed as more often than not criminals don't have guns for the reasons listed. For your average crime they don't need them.

we'll be here forever otherwise going round in circles.

Americans are happy wanting guns to feel safe and I'm happy not wanting guns to feel safe.

we're all different  :)
MORE U.S. talk?!?!?!?  And you should sound a lot more garbled with all five toes in there!

...when will you get it through your thick head that in Britain.. nobody has guns. Our kids don't come across them... ever.

Do your kids know how to safely operate and maintain, say,  a space shuttle?

no??

why on earth not.

oh, hang on, nobody there has one.... so you DONT NEED TO.

see my point?
He does "get it", but what you're NOT getting is that he's referring to the U.S. POLICY and how it will affect all those for whom (thread topic, please)"The Clinton ban has expired!"  That's why he continues to argue his point.  He views it as applicable in every case IN THE U.S.

I'm going to have to penalize you half an arch for not listening while claiming others aren't listening.  

in all of my travelling and in all the villages, countryside and cities i've been in up and down the length of this country i had NEVER come across ANYBODY who own any kind of firearm.

Nor has anybody I know

I'll modify my original statement. I dont mean nobody has rifles, I mean we as a country dont.

the examples you gave of people with shotguns, are all in the deep countryside, on farms or country estates. .....acres of land with a farmer or estate owner hunting grouse and the like.

the huge majority (and i really do mean majority) of people in this country live in and around cities.... nobody in cities and normal villages has firearms. nobody.

you see why we dont need to teach our kids how to hold guns now?

they're not gonna need it

why can't you accept that no child in normal british existance, apart from those growing up on farms or country estates, needs or ever in their life has access to, a firearm.

when was the last time your kids had access to a blue whale on public land.

oh hang on, thats something you can accept doesn't happen.

accept that this doesnt happen. we live here, you dont
well, seeing as NO ONE in the U.S. has a blue whale, not even the "faraway mythical farmers" you prattle on about, the chances are pretty remote, BUT here in the U.S., I bet with the right permits, we COULD have our kids run across them  ;D  God Bless the United States of America!  

Again, he's speaking based on facts your country spews out.  Now, unless it's all cows, sheep, and goats getting killed by firearms in your country, you'll have to begin acknowledging facts put in front of you rather than "your experience".  The sad truth is that just because your kids "will never run across 'em", it IS highly possible that another kid WILL.  

And so we don't confuse the countries, in the U.S. it MAY be possible, as well.  Of which, this is relating to "The Clinton ban is expired"!  

I penalize you the rest....so far you are up to your metatarsal arch...like I said, one or two more good pushes and you'll have that heel in tootsweet!

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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #248 on: September 27, 2004, 10:50:01 pm »
Seriously Drew,

I have no idea what you just wrote.  Neither does anybody else because nobody in their right mind would be willing to read all that.  What, are you and TaPilot in a competition to see who can write the most mind-numbingly long, boring posts EVER?

And TaPilot,

What the hell?  You'll disect Hunky_Artist point by excruciating point, but you won't give my post a go?  Was it too much for you to handle?  Does my intellect make your eyes hurt?  Huh?  Bring it on?  Go ahead; just try to take on one of my posts.

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p.s.  I hope he at least goes for "What the Hell, this time?"

p.p.s.  You guys seriously ought to try to sum up what you have to say in a nice, essay form.  A couple of well-written paragraphs can go a lot way into tricking people into thinking you aren't both full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---  ;)
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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #249 on: September 28, 2004, 04:45:28 am »
What the hell?  You'll disect Hunky_Artist point by excruciating point, but you won't give my post a go?
Ha, at least he responded to some of my dumb automated Eliza responses  :P I guess you are just too clever for him to even dare to respond.
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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #250 on: September 28, 2004, 06:23:20 am »
What the hell?  You'll disect Hunky_Artist point by excruciating point, but you won't give my post a go?
Ha, at least he responded to some of my dumb automated Eliza responses  :P I guess you are just too clever for him to even dare to respond.

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« Reply #251 on: September 28, 2004, 07:54:37 am »
You'll disect Hunky_Artist point by excruciating point, but you won't give my post a go?  Was it too much for you to handle?  Does my intellect make your eyes hurt?  Huh?  Bring it on?  Go ahead; just try to take on one of my posts.

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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #252 on: September 28, 2004, 09:20:39 am »
You say "...in general.  It could have been any country", and yet, your words betray you

When people from other countries join in, then I'll debate with them too

As it stands the only people saying they need/want guns are from The States, who else would you like me to talk to?


...however I'll go back to a quote from one of my much earlier posts, because I'm honestly getting bored of going round in circles, and I have better things to do... all I wanted to do was state some opinions

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Let's just agree that in The States guns are needed to feel safe against a more violent criminal aspect which more often than not is armed... and in Europe and elsewhere guns are not needed as more often than not criminals don't have guns for the reasons listed. For your average crime they don't need them.

we'll be here forever otherwise going round in circles.

Americans are happy wanting guns to feel safe and I'm happy not wanting guns to feel safe.

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« Reply #253 on: September 28, 2004, 01:52:35 pm »
Seriously Drew.....You guys seriously ought to try to sum up what you have to say in a nice, essay form.  A couple of well-written paragraphs can go a lot way into tricking people into thinking you aren't both full of <auto-censored>  ;)
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« Reply #254 on: September 28, 2004, 01:53:58 pm »
Seriously Drew.....You guys seriously ought to try to sum up what you have to say in a nice, essay form.  A couple of well-written paragraphs can go a lot way into tricking people into thinking you aren't both full of <auto-censored>  ;)
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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #255 on: September 28, 2004, 03:07:25 pm »
What the hell?  You'll disect Hunky_Artist point by excruciating point, but you won't give my post a go?
Ha, at least he responded to some of my dumb automated Eliza responses  :P I guess you are just too clever for him to even dare to respond.

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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #256 on: September 28, 2004, 05:15:48 pm »
STOP IT WOULDJA?!?  GG's working on something here.

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Re:The Clinton gun ban has expired!
« Reply #257 on: September 28, 2004, 09:33:18 pm »
ok seeing as how this thread has gone wild in everyway, its over.  :-X

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« Reply #258 on: September 28, 2004, 09:51:13 pm »
Since I haven't had a say, here is mine:

Does banning or making something illegal stop people from obtaining it?

No.  You just make the item more profitable for people to sell/smuggle.  A prime example would be "prohibition".  There were more places to drink alcohol during prohibition than before or after because of the profitability.
Take a look at the "war on drugs".  The higher they make the penalties, the more people make/sell/smuggle them.  It is the law of supply and demand.  The less supply, the more you can charge because of the demand..  I would rather see many of the drugs now called "illegal" be regulated by the government.  Have "free" treatment centers for those who wish to quit.  The treatment centers could be paid for with taxes on the drugs.  Make it illegal to operate machinery/moving vehicles/etc. while using the drugs.  People who have "accidents" while under the influence of said drugs should be "nailed to the wall" as an example to others.

Put very simply, if you take the profitability out of the illegal item by making it legal and regulating it then people aren't going to be selling/smuggling it because there isn't the high profitability any more. It is the profit that drives people, not whether the item is legal or not.