suitable 29" hi res monitor replacement

[DYNAGOD]

Hello all,
 I have a Taito Egret 29" , which comes with a rotateable,standard/medium res 29" monitor.  However i want to play naomi and atomiswave games in my cab which are hi res.
does anyone know of a suitable replacement 29" monitor that can display low/med/hi res and can safely be rotated?

Thanks all!

[zakk23]

Wells-Gardner D9200 or perhaps the Betson Imperial that was recently reviewed at Retroblast would work.

I have a D9200 in my Egret; you're not looking at a quick drop in replacement, you have to do a bit of work to mount the chassis and then make sure you can rotate the monitor without snagging cables. Some of the cables are pretty short too. Unfortunately you can't  use the monitor frame, as it won't fit in the egret.

[DYNAGOD]

but its possible..thats good to know.
whats size 9200 did you place in it?did you make a custom bezel to compensate for the smaller monitor?
id love to see some pics of your mod as im definelty going to be going that route to have a true all in one cab.

thats a great review on the betson! i might go against convention and give that a shot. plus its not vga which i find appealing.
as isnt it true though that digital monitors like the D9200 arent true arcade monitors and their appearance is as poor as a standard pc monitor?
as i plan on running true arcade hardware on this monitor in addition to mame, this is important.

[zakk23]

but its possible..thats good to know.
whats size 9200 did you place in it?did you make a custom bezel to compensate for the smaller monitor?

Ahh, you're confused just like I was! The D9200 27" is the exact same size as the monitor you have in your egret (assuming you have the 29" egret, I dont' think they made another type anyways). The mounting holes and such will line up exactly. The D9200 is a 29" monitor with 27" of _viewable_ screen,  just like the Nanao in the egret. The biggest challenge is  positioning the chassis so you can actually rotate the monitor. There's lots of cables to take into account and some of them are pretty short. I still haven't finished that aspect of things.

[DYNAGOD]

ahhh, i see said the blindman,
 im glad you pointed this out, i was looking at a kortec 29" dynaflat, which if im reading you correctly would have been 2 inches too large.  
thanks for setting me straight.

im planning on gutting all the wiriing out of the cab, placing a fresh 2 player,6 button jamma harness and replacing the Power components with fresh westrern 100v ones.
the monitor is the only real component that is 100V from japan, nothing else in the cab isnt powered really,besides the service plug but thats hard wired direct before the main power switch,so it doesnt really count.. i didnt see any electrical components besides the monitor that need replacing to make for full western electrical compatibility, short of the noise filter.
ive been studying the wiring schematics for the egret and it doesnt appear to be that much work. ive even begun color coding the schematic for 5v, 12v ground, player1, and player 2 wiring routing..

[shadowdrak]

Actually I think the kortek 29" has a 27" screen, the WG 27" has a 27" screen.  Why don't they keep these things standard? I don't know.

[zakk23]

You best bet to determine fitment is to see if you can find some measurement specs of the monitor. The Kortec may very well be 27" viewable also, and fit just fine. Wells-Gardner had a good page with all the dimensions of hte monitor+frame up, I determined it was ok to buy based on that page plus use of my tape measure. Might want to see if you can find some Kortec page with that info.

[DYNAGOD]

yea, this is dangerous territory, especially at 460.00$.
im definetly going to need some clarification.
so the egret is 29" 27" viewable.
whatever mu;tisync monitor whether it be kortec or WG is going to need to be of equal screen proportions..
29",27" viewable

next as you stated zakk, the cage, which is another potential can of worms.
retocades review stated he used the kortec/betson as a direct replacement for his D9200 which leads me to believe that the dims for the cage and monitor must be similar..i wish i knoew how large of a D9200 he was replacing. IE a ortec/betson 27 for a WG 29
but i want to know for sure.
im definelty leaning twords the betson/kortec over the D9200 ,if not just for the native supported 800x600

[AlanS17]

Does the monitor in there currently work? Are you just replacing it for better resolution or is that one broken?

[Dave_K.]

Any new information in this thread?  Did anyone actually replace a 29" Nanao with the Beston?  And were there any problems with rotation?

[DYNAGOD]

until i have the cash its an on hold situation../
i personally cant even see how to remove the original monitor assembly to get the nanao out..

the betson is all digital and the controls are internal.the nanao has that giant analog control pod next to it. so if anything i think the betson will fit better.

[Dave_K.]

Just updating this thread.  I just got a Betson 27" and the frame does not line up with the holes on my 29" jap sit at cab.  See this thread for more detail:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,27221.msg233146.html#msg233146

Could be because I bought the IT model version and not RT.  I'm hoping someone with an RT can clear up what the mounting hole spacing is (just to be sure).  For all I know, jap cabs might not comply with US cab specs for monitor mounting.

Anyway, the tube is a standard size, so I'm going to try swapping the mounting hardware with the original monitor (I'd need to do this anyway as it has a special bolt in the back that locks into a groove to enable manual rotation easily (ok somewhat easily...its still a freakin heavy for a single person to do). 

[Dave_K.]

Thanks go to Kevin Steele for emailing me the D9200 dimensions, which are supposed to be a drop in replacement for the Betson monitor frame.

It turns out that the D9200 mounting points of 20.6" are the same as the frame that came with my IT model Betson.  So its this japanese Namco sit-at cab that has the non-standard mounting points of 21" exactly.  I'm wondering if the Egret, Neo 29, and Astro City have the same non-standard mounting points?  Anyway, this should be a warning that you will have to transplant the original frame of your japanese sit-at cab if you want to replace it with a D9200 or Betson.

[DYNAGOD]

hmmm.thats possibly bad news..
i will have to open up my cab and see if i can pull some measurements off the frame.
the more i learn the more i wish i had spent the money on bulding a cab from scratch..
i dont like the prospect of potentially having to work within the limitations of a flawed design..


could you also share those dimensions, i would like to use them for some cad design work for another cab project.
 
thanks

[grueinthebox]

Mounting bolt holes are exactly 21" center to center on my Super Neo 29.  I'm planning on putting a Betson in there, but I don't think it'll be a problem in my case as I should be able to just drill a couple of new holes in the mounting brackets on the new monitor - don't have to deal with the complex rotation mechanism of the Egret.

Or am I missing something here?

EDIT: Here's a post from awhile back with the layout/measurements of my monitor mounting setup: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,26293.msg217106.html#msg217106

[DYNAGOD]

im curious if a betson can even be rotated safely.

[Dave_K.]

grueinthebox, if you are going to redrill or widen the holes on a Betson frame, make sure you get the RT model.  The IT model has a slightly different design where the frame ends right next to the holes.  The RT model (as shown on retroblast) angles down towards the monitor, giving you more space to drill.

Dynagod, I was able to successfully replace the betson frame with my original rotateable frame.  It was a major operation dismanteling both tubes completely, but thankfully 2 of the PCB mounting plate holes from the betson frame lined up with holes on the original frame.  I then used oversized wahsers to secure the other side (since it didn't line up.   So I now have the betson inside my cab, and have it rotating just fine.  Ikaruga looks awsome on it at hires!! 

[paigeoliver]

What did you do with your old monitor?

[Dave_K.]

What did you do with your old monitor?

I put the old monitor into the new betson frame (it also fit), and will probably sell it.

[paigeoliver]

What did you do with your old monitor?

I put the old monitor into the new betson frame (it also fit), and will probably sell it.

$50!