so.. where's the plane?

[Nephus]

Dunno if this one has been posted before around here, but it popped up in one of my other forums for the first time.

http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html#Main

I think it speaks for itself.

[menace]

very interesting... i had no idea there was any controversy surrounding the pentagon crash--makes me wonder how many other things i accept without question...

[SirPeale]

...wow...

[GGKoul]

American Media at it's best.  Reports what the Government tells them to reports.

Regardless, something hit the pentagon and many people died on 9/11.   Never forget that.

[Dartful Dodger]

You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

[GGKoul]

"You can't handle the truth..." Right?

So it's better to not speak about it and leave people in the dark, then dealing with the peoples reactions to the truth.  

Which is better?

Because eventually, people learn the Truth and then backlash against the people that withheld the truth.

[Dartful Dodger]

Tomorrow that site and all of that went to that site are going to disappear.

Thanks Nephus

[daeven]

No offense to anyone who believes that site, but what a load of BS.  The wings, tail, and all parts of the airplane that hit the Pentagon were moving at the same speed when they hit it.  Do you really think a many-thousand pound wing (loaded with fuel I might add) travelling at hundreds of miles per hour is not going to penetrate a brick-and glass wall?  The wreckage of the plane would be INSIDE the building, not on the ground outside the building.  For the wreckage to be outside, it would have had to bounce off the building - not likely even on the Pentagon.

Also, I remember initial reports of the World Trade Center planes were small commuter jets.  People aren't used to seeing planes fly into buildings - I imagine their perception gets thrown off when they actually see it happen.

Furthermore, I expect that the sound of a plane descending into a building to be quite different than the usual racket that most of us associate with large aircraft.  How can a typical person claim it sounded like a missile?  Have they ever heard a missile?  I haven't, but I'm guessing they are pretty f'ing loud.

[GameDork]

Holy Cow!! I never thought about the absence of a plane there!!

But, I wonder, there was a Flight 77 wasn't there? What happened to it?

[menace]

The wings, tail, and all parts of the airplane that hit the Pentagon were moving at the same speed when they hit it

that's precisely the point--that building should have been devastated as well as the surrounding lawn--there were second story windows with glass (assuming the photo wasn't retouched)  that much metal fuel etc should have obliterated that end of the building and by saying it crashed ahead of the building so as to minimize impact is crap as well
the area is clearly in too good of condition 9again assuming the photos weren't retouched)

Furthermore, I expect that the sound of a plane descending into a building to be quite different than the usual racket that most of us associate with large aircraft.  How can a typical person claim it sounded like a missile?  Have they ever heard a missile?  I haven't, but I'm guessing they are pretty f'ing loud.

I've stood at the end of a runway when a 747 was coming down--the scream is DEAFENING even at 1200 ft from the threshold--it made me curious as to why noone noticed that noise--its unmistakable--I assume a missile (being of considerably less mass and having much less thrust and weight) would be considerably quieter and could be missed --just a thought...

[GGKoul]

If it was a shouder missile... why didnt they fire another one at the White House or the Capital Building?

It was probably a small commuter plane.  Not a 747.

[whammoed]

good point, i would think there would be some, if not many, non-government people that would know if that flight existed and its fate.

[GGKoul]

Maybe Miltary Jets shot down Flight 77... and the pentagon crash is a cover up???  

[GGKoul]

Here's another site asking when Flight 77 is?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm


http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm  - This one give you an idea what kind of plane could have hit the pentagon.

[GameDork]

I was think too, if you watch the videos of the Trade Center being hit by the planes, you see the explosion ALL the way through the entire building. It (the explosion)  actually comes out the other side!! (all 4 sides for that matter)

Why did this "757" manage to damage so little??

[whammoed]

I was think too, if you watch the videos of the Trade Center being hit by the planes, you see the explosion ALL the way through the entire building. It (the explosion)  actually comes out the other side!! (all 4 sides for that matter)

Why did this "757" manage to damage so little??

Well, it is different construction.  The pentagon is built like a brick #$%*house while a skyscraper actually has to be constructed so it sways with the wind.

[GGKoul]

I was think too, if you watch the videos of the Trade Center being hit by the planes, you see the explosion ALL the way through the entire building. It (the explosion)  actually comes out the other side!! (all 4 sides for that matter)

Why did this "757" manage to damage so little??

Well, it is different construction.  The pentagon is built like a brick #$%*house while a skyscraper actually has to be constructed so it sways with the wind.

Regardless.. how would you explain this??

[whammoed]

Oh, i admit it is odd.  I would think there would be more video captured too.  There has to more surveilance than those crummy pics of the explosion.  Then again there are eyewitness accounts of the event too that say it was a plane.

[GGKoul]

Yes a plane.. but what size of plane?

[Zakk]

Wow, that's really weird.  There really is no way that a plane that big went in where the damage is.  Add to the fact that most of that damage was caused in the collapse after.  Look at the inside rings, it didn't even knock down satellite dishes or anything.  A quick google search resulted in a pile of these pages.  I wonder why it is that when something like this comes to light, it so rarely is properly investigated?  Is the government THAT powerful?  I mean, they can't find bin laden, but they can make the whole world beleive that a 757 made a hole the size of a hugo in the pentagon.  
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_photo.htm  (big photo, but look at the lack of damage to the inside rings).  WTF??  Well built that building may be, but not THAT well built.

 Wait, there's someone at the door...oh they just came right on in...nice black suits they have on HEY WHAT ARE YOU DO.......

[Darkstalker]

"I mean, they can't find bin laden, but they can make the whole world beleive that a 757 made a hole the size of a hugo in the pentagon. "

It's too far from the election date to "find" him.

[MasTequila]

I took a tour of the Pentagon once (circa 2000) and it is like a fortress, but the ground outside is the true teller on this.  530 mph and 2 feet off the ground and all the grass is undisturbed.

My real question is the fact that the government is fudging what hit the Pentagon as bad as not knowing what happened to flight 77?

~Mas

[GGKoul]

"I mean, they can't find bin laden, but they can make the whole world beleive that a 757 made a hole the size of a hugo in the pentagon. "

It's too far from the election date to "find" him.

I completely agree... Bin Laden will be "caught" sometime near the end of October.  He's GW's Trump card.

[itismejs]

Any one who belives this should get help...

[Zakk]

Enlighten us.

[RacerX]

 Those wings must have disintegrated on impact.  Notice the most damage is where the fusilage hit the building.  I'm sure there were tiny bits of the airplane all over the inside where it went in.

I'm not saying believe everything you see or hear on the news.  Far from it.  But come on folks, there is no conspiracy here.  

The urban legends web site has some good information on the whole "controversy".

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

[Dartful Dodger]

Enlighten us.

An aluminum plane build so that it could be light enough to fly carrying full fuel cells, hits a concrete building build so that it can fend off an attack.  I'm sure the engineers who designed it have been fired for even letting a "Hugo" sized hole happen.

I didn't see any pictures of the planes after they hit the world trade center either.  And there were no skid marks leading up to the towers.

If it wasn't for all the video footage, you'd believe a webpage claiming aliens had fired lasers at all the targets.

also

Bush doesn't need a trump card, he's running against Kerry.

So Bin Laden's head would just be the cherry on top of his re-election sundae.

[fredster]

I cannot believe that we have forgotten 9/11.

Where are the passengers?  I guess the bodies they pulled out were not there.  I guess the parts of the plane they pulled out didn't exist either.

I guess we call all call the victim's wives, husbands, and children and ask them if they are fake.  Anybody here want to do that?

Anybody see the wreck in PA?

Now, let's discuss the Moon Landing - How about the Grassy Knoll?

Anybody see Elvis?

I can't believe how short a memory people have.

[Zakk]

Hey, don't get me wrong, it was a horrible tragedy, and yes I do beleive that a lot of innocent people lost their lives.  It just looks pretty strange.

However, since it seems that any kind of conversation in here is going to turn into a "Bush rules, don't question the government!!!!!!" bit of tripe, I think I'll just skip this forum until after the election.  It's too bad that even a friendly forum  has to turn into a flame-bait mess.  Hey, I don't give a rats hind end who wins your election.  Good luck to both candidates, may the best man win and all that.    caio.

[Dartful Dodger]

Bush rules, don't question the government!!!!!!

[Valence]

Furthermore, I expect that the sound of a plane descending into a building to be quite different than the usual racket that most of us associate with large aircraft.  How can a typical person claim it sounded like a missile?  Have they ever heard a missile?  I haven't, but I'm guessing they are pretty f'ing loud.

I believe that if there is any place in the world where people would be able to distinguish between an Air liner and a missle,  it would be at the Petagon.  


But, that side of the building had just finished being renovated. The main goal of renovation was hardening the building. While all the walls of the petagon were strong, that side was significantly stonger.  

[namzep]

It's an interesting idea, to say the least.  It'll be nice when Kerry is elected in November, by the way.  Don't think much will change but at least we won't have an idiot for president.

[Floyd10]

With the whole "The wings should have made impact" bit, Ever stop to think that the plane might have swerved, and ONLY the wing hit it? Maybe just my imagination...

[RayB]

UGH. All these months I avoided coming into the "Everything Else" forum, and today i venture in for the first time only to find this kind of nonense. It really changes my impression of the kind of guys who frequent this board.  

All I have to say is that it's too damn easy to come up with alternative interpretations, especially based on media only available on the web. How about talking to actual investigators who were on the scene, about the facts of a situation? People who rely on facts rather than so-called "common sense". No. It's easier to look at low resolution JPEGS on the internet and extrapolate from there. And somehow the government is so well organized that they can't cover up a simple intern/president blow-job affair, yet they can somehow manage to "shut up" hundreds of people who ended up on the scene to deal with the Pentagon emergency, and shut up the entire crew and passengers of an airliner that supposedly went missing but didn't crash. Wow. Not one person escaped "the government". Amazing. They must be using some sort of alien technology based on the crashed remains of an alien craft.

There's other sites on the net that make other conspiracy claims such as the Berg beheading taking place in Abu Graib prison by Americans. How do they come to this conclusion? Oh the hooded guys in bullet proof vests look too fat to be Iraqis(oh ok), and there's a white plastic lawn chair in the video! OH DEAR! It's obvious then. White chair in Berg video. White chairs in Abu Graib prison photos. It all makes sense now... Until you f'ing do a little research and find out that white plastic chairs are ALL OVER Iraq, and the rest of the middle east, and south-east asia (and hey, you can even find them in Amerika). Why? They're CHEAP. And my point is, it's easy to draw "common sense" conclusions when you're missing the knowledge that would show you the conclusions are a stretch.

Yet another example: Moon landings are fake! The photos of the moon show no stars! Well there you go. Anyone with "common sense" would know that the moon has no atmosphere and you should be able to see thousands more stars than we can see here on earth. Except the "common sense" people who believe this are ignorant of how cameras and photographic film work. You can't set the exposure of film to BOTH capture low light and bright light. You have to compensate for one or the other.

And case in point here... NASA has recently been re-scanning old negatives, since we now have much better quality digital scanners. They've posted some fabulous moon landing shots on their website. Anyone can go download them right now. I did. And wow. No stars! Oh my god! The conspiracists are right! But I loaded the image into Photoshop and tweaked the brightness/contrast and what do you know. There ARE stars. They are just so faint because the camera aperture was set to capture foreground images being illuminated by a VERY bright sun.

What will the conspiracists say? Oh NASA drew the stars in. OH WHATEVER!  

Wake up people. If you're going to believe something because it "sounds plausible" and you want to think you're being open-minded by thinking maybe it's possible, how about stopping for a second and asking yourself if maybe you're just being gullible?

~Ray B.

[Setabs]

I like this picture

And notice how the section doesn't even look the same in the picture it was croped from



Until they prove otherwise I beleave that a plane crashed into the pentagon. I still wouldn't put it past some members of the gov. to do something like this especialy since a few people tried to do similar things beforehttp://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

[DrewKaree]

so stuff like this couldn't possibly be a concocted farce, even though
"in a country this divided and partisan it's silly to suggest that it would be difficult to find a group of people like this to lie."

Oh, and wouldn't it benefit Bush to let it out that we had a missile dropped on the Pentagon?  Something about WMD's and all    

If this is to be believed by some, you guys should all see Mel Gibson's "Conspiracy Theory".  AWESOME movie, and you'll probably find it to be a documentary, rather than entertainment.

Be careful how you reply;  Big Brother is reading!

[GGKoul]

Bush rules, don't question the government!!!!!!

Nothing landed in Roswell and Area 51 is fake.

[Nephus]

And there were no skid marks leading up to the towers.

If you can't figure out why there wouldn't be marks on the ground from a plane that hit the top of a sky-scraper (one of the tallest buildings in NY as a matter of fact) vs. how strange it is that a plane which was 25' off the ground didn't leave any... then you really don't need to be insulting anyone's intelligence.

[Tailgunner]

"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001


"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001


"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001


"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002


"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle

[Floyd10]

lol. someone forgot to mention... THOSE ARE ALL SLANTED PAPERS!!! D---ED liBERALS!!!

[Zapper]

You would think that a high security building like the Pentegon would have had about 10 cameras record that crash.

[Floyd10]

They're not releasing the videos that captured it, according to that flash site.

[MasTequila]

Yeah I have never seen anything but that lo-res one in the flash site.  Like I said before I took a tour of the Pentagon while the construction was taking place and the place is a fortress but if you think that a plane will shatter like glass or crash like a wave against it then your wrong.  And even if this did happen why was the lawn perfect when it should have been covered in burning air plane reckage that obivously bouced off the impervious skin of the Pentagon.  Comon that is basic physics with conservation of matter and what have you.

~Mas

[fredster]

Danny_Galaga: This was made by twits for twits.

[GGKoul]

fredster: Jack Ruby.

Oswald killed JFK with a single Magic Bullet.

[RacerX]

fredster: Jack Ruby.

Oswald killed JFK with a single Magic Bullet.

The so-called magic bullet is not the one that killed Kennedy.  The one that killed him was the headshot.  The "magic bullet" went through his upper back.

Now there's a conspiracy I can sink my teeth into.  That darn Johnson just wanted to be president sooooooo bad.  

[GGKoul]

fredster: Jack Ruby.

Oswald killed JFK with a single Magic Bullet.

The so-called magic bullet is not the one that killed Kennedy.  The one that killed him was the headshot.  The "magic bullet" went through his upper back.

Now there's a conspiracy I can sink my teeth into.  That darn Johnson just wanted to be president sooooooo bad.  

I agree, Oswald was a patsy.  

[Floyd10]

funny, i never even doubted the validity of the pentagon crash. what i always thought suspicious was the plane that never quite made it to the white house. i recall the very FIRST reports suggesting that it got shot down. that idea dissapeared very quickly. wasn't long before i read a story in the government mouthpiece TIME magazine a really entertaining account of what supposedly happened- you know, several burly men crash-tackling the hijackers thus causing the crash. it was written like a script and as if the reporter was in the plane. i didn't think there were any survivors to tell the tale? THAT is much more interesting than the pentagon crash. 47 years from now when no one cares and we're too old to be angry, they'll probably release the documents.

That story was based on cell conversations with the wives.
BUT, later evidence proved that the hijackers had heard the burly men planning to overthrow them, and sunk the ship, so to speak.


and yes, Oswald was a patsy.

[DrewKaree]

You would think that a high security building like the Pentegon would have had about 10 cameras record that crash.

OR...

you would think that a high security building like the Pentagon would never release the footage from...oh...about 10 cameras that were recording the crash for the sole SANE reason that you....DON'T WANT TO PUBLISH A FRIGGEN TRAINING VIDEO FOR MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO LEARN FROM AND PERFECT THE PROCESS  

Does K-Mart still have "clues" as blue light specials  

btw, does anyone have an emoticon for "complete and total disbelief that someone just said that" ?

cheez and rice man

[DougHillman]

And there were no skid marks leading up to the towers.

If you can't figure out why there wouldn't be marks on the ground from a plane that hit the top of a sky-scraper (one of the tallest buildings in NY as a matter of fact) vs. how strange it is that a plane which was 25' off the ground didn't leave any... then you really don't need to be insulting anyone's intelligence.

If you expect anything that's 25' off the ground to leave marks on the ground, you deserve to have your intelligence insulted.  "off the ground"  OFF  Not on.  Things not ON the ground don't leave marks on the ground.

[fredster]

Danny,

Do you think the Russians did the right or wrong thing?

[maraxle]

just remember to let it go when California, Texas and Hawaii want to secede  

As long as they'll agree to take Florida too, I'll sign the petition.

[fredster]

but i guess its one way of discouraging terrorists

Yep.  Kinda the way President Bush sees it.  Not much else to do huh?

CIA plot. That's original.  You know Danny you know so much about American politics you should come here and be a citizen so you can actually vote and have a dog in this fight.  It must be kinda frustrating to be so far away from America.  I know I'd think that if I weren't a Proud American.

We are so free and such a force that everybody thinks they are part of us.

And maybe you can pursaude Mr. Putin to release those poor people from his country.  Your "brilliant" point of view might override his resistance.

And you think it was a "brilliant" plan by the Al-Queda group.  I'm sure they would be impressed with your approval.

Why don't you tell the people who buried their fathers how "brilliant" it was. Tell them you think we are not appreciating the "brilliance" of the act.  Who, that are civilized, god fearing people could have imagined the simplicity of just cutting those stewardess's throats with a little box cutter.  

Maybe Danny, you could be on a plane, to say America, and you could experience that first hand too.

Then you could tell them before they crashed just how "Brilliant" their plan was.  I'm sure they'd appreciate the compliment. You could say "bravo mate" and everybody would smile at the "brilliance" of the plan.

As for the pentagon and this twisted joke video: While there wasn't much done to the grass that didn't burn, but there was plenty done to the people in the planes.

Danny, as you can see, the word "brilliant" and these terrorist acts don't belong in the same paragraph with each other.

Just because it wasn't you and yours doesn't mean you can be so cold.  It wasn't a TV movie. It wasn't an internet joke. It was men women and children who didn't want to die.  

If anybody could believe that any of these acts could be faked by the US government for any reason at any time for even a minute, they have lost what little sense they had.

[fredster]

Danny,

Hannibal lost, didn't he?

We still have peace keeping troops in Bosnia. We didn't supervise that breakdown, but we helped people from dying when the wall fell. We in the US do that.  I belive your wonderful people helped.

Rupert Murdock balances Ted Turner.  You should be proud of him.  You don't get that much power and influence in the world without making something that works.  Ted made CNN and Rupert made Fox.  

If you want to impress us, make your own network.

there are many non-americans who know more about your politics than you do. you're too close to see...

I think there are a lot of non-americans who think they do. My point is it's our business. Our country, and our decision.

If you don't like it, then complain to your government and they can register it with the UN.  Then we can talk about it.

As for Russia, I just asked. I could care less how they handle their internal political issues. I don't care how they work it out, as long as they don't kill one another doing it.  I think their military should have set it up a little tighter, maybe a litte more time for recon before they went in.  

The Russians are really direct. They don't discuss it with the outside, and why should they?  I think they did the right thing.  These people knew they were going to die, so they were not going to come out alive.  They were the judge of the situation, I wasn't there.  They have delt with this before, last year.

It's a shame that some of the terrorists got away.  The russians are going to as Putin for payback. This may change the world opinion.  

But you haven't said - Right thing or wrong thing?  do you have a problem with answering a simple question?

I just hope it doesn't spread to your country. Of any land, I have always wanted to travel to Austraila.  It appears to be a beautiful country.  Maybe one day I can afford it and you and I can sit down over a pint and discuss this face to face.

[tep0583]

funny, i never even doubted the validity of the pentagon crash. what i always thought suspicious was the plane that never quite made it to the white house. i recall the very FIRST reports suggesting that it got shot down. that idea dissapeared very quickly. wasn't long before i read a story in the government mouthpiece TIME magazine a really entertaining account of what supposedly happened- you know, several burly men crash-tackling the hijackers thus causing the crash. it was written like a script and as if the reporter was in the plane. i didn't think there were any survivors to tell the tale? THAT is much more interesting than the pentagon crash. 47 years from now when no one cares and we're too old to be angry, they'll probably release the documents.

The F-16s that were on intercept to the plane that crashed in PA flew out of Toledo's Air National Guard base (the first in the area to get birds in the air) The airliner was also being tracked by a controller whom I know and a friend of mine knows better (and has discussed this with him). No fighter ever got close enough to that flight to effect an intercept. It went down on its own.

Any talk that it was shot down is absolute bunk.

[tep0583]

Oh, and the Pentagon......

This says it better than I ever could.....

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

And before anyone accuses them of being a Conservative site defending the administration. They've quashed stories from both sides of the political spectrum.

[Floyd10]

brilliant. Ty

[DougHillman]

oh, and at least australia PAYS for its membership to the united nations...

What does the UN pay the U.S. to supply its only real forces for peacekeeping duties?

Count the number of US lives lost in service of the UN vs. those of other countries.  Then you can talk about "paying."

 

[DrewKaree]

Concise Oxford dictionary.

That's the second joke regarding the Oxford Dictionary I've heard this week, both of which were comedy gems.  Now remove your tongue from your cheek and stop spamming   the boards with your countless tripe-filled posts and get your tail into anothers.

GO DANNY!  You kon doo eet!

  *edited for spelling - I'm an ijit*

[fredster]

Danny,

I guess I do have to clarify some points:

When the "wall fell" the European communist block broke down.  It was the event that triggered the disolution to Bosnia and ethnic cleansing. It was the "key" to what happened in Romania and what's happening now in Russia.  The US didn't ask the UN for help there either, we went in on our own.

As far as your "brilliant" Sketch, at what velocity is that paper plane flying? How long does it take for those wings to fall off? 1 second? two seconds?  How much Kinetic energy does it contain at that velocity?  

Those wings were traveling at just about 1800 - 2000 meters/sec when they hit.  Even if they came off they would have still went through the wall on their own in a millisecond. Muzzle velocity of a 155mm HE howitzer rounds were in the range of 900 m/s and they don't leave anything in a wall when they hit. This was twice that.  A chicken traveling at that velocity would have made a hole and left no feathers.  The force it would have would be in tons (metric or english).

i guess the grieving parents of your dead soldiers can take consolation in the fact that their children were forfeit for UN fees...

Here again, you should really think about what you wrote before you hit that enter key.  Your countrymen have bravely served for the causes of freedom in the world too. The US gives more money than any other country to the world for humanitarian efforts, aids, and just about everything else.

BTW, the UN's headquarters is on the US soil.  The UN came to the US asking for a 50 or 100 million dollar loan not too long ago.  I hope we said no, but I doubt it.  I think they could scratch that up from the oil for food money saddam paid the honchos for a blind eye to his military programs.

If the UN is such a great/wonderful/useful organization, I guess we can count on them to take care of this situation in the Sudan right now. What should happen there Danny?  

This article in CNN bothers you?  Generals have been known to say off the wall remarks. He said what he believed. Now his entire military record is crap?  Just because he said those things doesn't make him a "fundamentalist".  He didn't strap bombs on himself and blow himself up. I believe the powers that be did pull him off and let others take up the cause that are more politically savy.

i have been celibate since january

I kinda figured that.

[menace]

Those wings were traveling at just about 1800 - 2000 meters/sec when they hit

ummm 74,564 miles/hr:o--i don't think so.  if that was the case all my flights would be on American and it wouldn't take me 1.5hrs to get to chicago, only a few seconds

 

what an interesting thread this is...

Why don't we all just admit that IT WAS ALIENS, and be done with it...

[MasTequila]

Even though the bombs strapped to chest defintion was colorful the real one could fit that general.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=fundamentalist

[Edgedamage]

This whole thread is like picking a scab from a healing wound.

[Alucard90]

Its not real.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm

It was made by a french man who is part of a political party that is verry antiamerican. more on the link

[Floyd10]

Thats been posted --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type--. and he's not anti-american, just a conspiracy theorist like all of the ppl on this board .

anyway, yes it is a good link.

[tep0583]

what an interesting thread this is...

Why don't we all just admit that IT WAS ALIENS, and be done with it...

I was GOING to, but then I thought, "Why, oh why, would I open that can of worms?"

Besides, if it did, I'd probably be setting myself up for another "visit" from the Greys or Men in Black. (maybe both <shutter>)
 

[fredster]

Danny, you are right, I was too fast there.  I don't do metric very well.  Here in the US we  do imperial.  It was traveling around 200 m/s when it hit. Less than mach speed.

So the tonnage was only enough to ram it through the middle along with it's wings.

I stand by the analogy of the wall.  That event was when the carnage started there.  We went into Bosnia followed by UN troops later.  

And:

will be voting AGAINST bush, rather than FOR kerry.

Shows that his support isn't for Kerry. That type of support can erode quickly.

[Dartful Dodger]

'the wall' is much less significant to bosnia, since that was a symbol of the really represive east-german/soviet regime.

My barber is from Bosnia. He only charges 12 bucks and he does a pretty good job.

[fredster]

Danny, Why do we have to change? why don't you go back to imperial?  

And another note Danny related to the Russian incident:
"Interfax said the alleged leader of the hostage-takers, an ethnic Ingush named Magomed Yevloyev, had not been found among the dead. Yevloyev is believed to be the leader of the strict Wahhabi sect of Muslims in Ingushetia.

Two U.S. transport planes delivered aid Monday, following a flight from Italy that landed Sunday, bringing antibiotics, bandages and other medical supplies."