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Build your own Coke machine??
« on: July 26, 2004, 04:31:22 pm »
i'm sure someone has thought about this before, but i did a search and couldnt find anything.  there are lots of links on the net about building a keg-erator but nothing about a coke machine, or dispenser, or vending machine or whatever.  there is one link but the guy just kinda tells you what to buy, and leaves the rest up to you.  has anyone here thought about this?  or maybe purchased one cheap from an auction?

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2004, 04:38:08 pm »
I dont think that Ive ever seen the inside of one before

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2004, 04:39:54 pm »
A friend of mine bought one from Home Depot.

I don't know anything about it, he bought it two days ago, and I haven't seen it yet.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2004, 05:00:54 pm »
bought a coke machine at home depot???  was it like 30000000 bucks or something?

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2004, 05:26:07 pm »
Do you want a can dispenser or a soda fountain-coke dispenser?

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2004, 05:37:30 pm »
i dont know, which one would be easiest?...im thinking can dispenser...that would be better for me probably.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2004, 05:54:21 pm »
Can dispenser.. let's see, you could take a minifridge and put it on top of something like a wooden box to start with so it is about the right height.  Then you just need to figure out a way to hold the cans vertically in the fridge for dispension.  Then you would just need some sort of can dispenser.  It really depends on your goal.  You could go with a tray or door you pull out and a can will be in it or you could try to make a button activated trapdoor... but that might be hard.  

My thought on the fridge would be to either buy or create racks for the soda or create a one-soda deep funnel in the mini-fridge so one can would be on the bottom and that can would be dispensed.  When that can was pulled out, the other cans would roll into place.  Hmm... the cans might get stuck... new thought.

I think the easiest way to make a dispenser of cans would be to make a couple pull doors like a book or video return door at a rental place. These doors would be in the door of the minifridge.  On the inside you could have a rack leading from the top of the minifridge to the door so gravity will do most of the dispensing.  When you open the little door, one can will be inside and the remaining cans will be held in place by the back of the little door.  When you push the door back in, another can will drop into the door.  This will also keep your cold air in the fridge.  Once you got one setup to work, you could make a number of dispenser doors for different soda can racks.  Additionally, you  could replace the door with a mechanical gear looking device. In each of the gear insets, a can would fit.  THe gear would spin and drop a can while reloading from the top.   What would be cool is if you powered the gear by a big old hand crank on the side of the fridge... but that's just me...

Anyway, those are a couple thougts....

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2004, 05:56:36 pm »
Additionally, a soda-fountain style setup would be much easier to build.  You just need the C02, syrup, and carbonated water in a fridge and a hose going either to your tap or bar-style hose nozzle.  The nice thing about this setup is you can set your syrup to water level yourself for ideal sode flavor and the sode would be cheaper to buy.  The hard part would be finding a place to buy the cartons of syrup and water.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2004, 06:12:55 pm »
bought a coke machine at home depot???  was it like 30000000 bucks or something?

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2004, 06:22:00 pm »
I've seen ads for the Skybox.  Seems cool if you don't mind spending $500 on it.  I guess if you had a game room it might be worth it...

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2004, 06:24:12 pm »
yeah ive seen those too....$500!!!!  geez....ill just get them out of the fridge i guess.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2004, 06:26:47 pm »
This brings up a good point, what do you need a coke machine for?

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2004, 06:39:13 pm »
what do i need a huge showcase cab for?  i really dont need either one, but i want both  ;D

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2004, 06:45:47 pm »
Check for something in your area on ebay.  You can buy a full blown Soda Machine for less then the skybox..  
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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2004, 06:45:51 pm »
What about just buying a real soda machine?  I mean, how much could a used maybe even non-working (cooling part) one and just replace that part?

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2004, 08:19:32 pm »
Fair warning on real coke machines, they're really,really heavy. I have a Dixie-Narco can vending machine and it easily weighs twice what a typical arcade cab weighs.

On the fountain despensers, the ingredents don't need refridgeration, though you'll likely need ice to cool the mix as it flows to the fountains. Typically there's a bin on top that both cools the mix and feeds the ice chute for adding ice to the drinks. Fancy versions have a ice machine on top that automatically fills the bin. Otherwise you do it manually with a bucket.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2004, 01:02:26 am »
i saw an ebay link for a local guy that was auctioning a coke machine...It was an old style one from the 70's.  I almost bought it.  It would have cost 299.  The only hang up was that it 700 pounds.  I'd only be able to move that once :(

Unfortunately, even if it was free, I might have to pass on it.  

About the skybox...I almost got one of those too.  I saw the display at home depot two weeks or so before they had them instock.  Seemed like a great idea until I found out the price from the website.  Too much.

Why did I want one?  I drink alot of beer.  I like to have friends over, which happen to drink a lot of beer.  What did we do instead?  Remember those little college/dorm fridges?    I got something like that from Home depot on the clearance rack.  Cool $137 or so.  It has a glass front, so I can see who well I am stocked.  Its working well.  Ideally I would like to have a full sized fridge or vending machine but hey...

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2004, 06:09:42 am »
check out local commercial auctions i'm sure there are many fast food establishments that go out of business.

don't soda fountains require a lot of cleaning and flush the tubes?

think you would need to use it alot on daily basis to make it worth while.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2004, 09:31:30 am »
I've seen the REAL old ones (like..I've never seen one in my life they're so old) where there's a little door and there are bottles in it that are locked in.  Once you put in your money you can take out one bottle.  In a home setting you could put beer in it.  :D



Like that I think..but smaller.  I've seen them for like $400.  I didn't try to lift it, but I don't know....didn't look heavy.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2004, 09:49:35 am »
Another thing about a real Coke/Vending Machine.  They are loud and suck a lot of electricity.

I would either get a Skybox or a bar fridge with a built in keg & tap.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2004, 09:21:09 pm »
I worked in a restaurant that dealt exclusively with Coke products, so I'm rather experienced with their fountains.  You will need some electrical work done, as the dispensers require it to run the metering/dispensing pumps.  

Additionally, a soda-fountain style setup would be much easier to build.  You just need the C02, syrup, and carbonated water in a fridge and a hose going either to your tap or bar-style hose nozzle.  The nice thing about this setup is you can set your syrup to water level yourself for ideal sode flavor and the sode would be cheaper to buy.  The hard part would be finding a place to buy the cartons of syrup and water.
The water doesn't need to be carbonated, that's where the CO2 tank comes in.  

If you have a Sam's club near you, you can easily buy a BIB (Bag In Box) of syrup for ~$40, which should make ~10 gallons of Coke (possibly a bit more, ~2-4 gallons more).  If there's a restaurant near you and they serve Coke, you can probably easily get the manager to buy you a "Brix Kit" for Coke to properly meter the syrup/water ratio.

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check out local commercial auctions i'm sure there are many fast food establishments that go out of business.
actually, check to see if there's a commercial food service supplies store near you.  They usually are the ones who buy the stuff up from auctions or have access to suppliers for this kinda stuff

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don't soda fountains require a lot of cleaning and flush the tubes?
They require that you clean the nozzles periodically (just soak 'em in a 10% bleach solution overnight, good as new)

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think you would need to use it alot on daily basis to make it worth while.
Now that you've got the numbers, (~20 2 Liters) you can see what the cost breakdown is...in the end, I think the taste from a fountain is different enough (and better, IMO) that if you're looking for that taste, the money will be well spent.
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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2004, 12:57:37 pm »
coolness DK

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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2004, 01:07:00 pm »
coolness DK

I see your just trying to build up you post count...

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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2004, 03:22:22 pm »
lol. So are you

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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2004, 03:54:36 pm »
lol. So are you

Not really,  at least I haven't posted 402 "empty" posts.. :D

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2004, 04:25:51 pm »
oh yeah....well i have more posts than both of you!  and my big brother can beat you up, and my dog is bigger than your dog, so im going to take my ball and go home! >:(

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2004, 11:07:31 pm »
i'm sure someone has thought about this before, but i did a search and couldnt find anything.  there are lots of links on the net about building a keg-erator but nothing about a coke machine, or dispenser, or vending machine or whatever.  there is one link but the guy just kinda tells you what to buy, and leaves the rest up to you.  has anyone here thought about this?  or maybe purchased one cheap from an auction?

can you post the links you are referring to?

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2004, 10:17:35 am »
I just got back online after 2 weeks now of being offline....
If your interested in doing a fountain pop setup with a pop dispenser I posted this a while back. Haven't gotten around to ebay'ng them yet:

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=19664;start=msg158148#msg158148

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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2004, 10:19:25 am »
I have a real coke machine, and I'll agree, they suck up the electricity.  I don't even use mine anymore.  it's in the backyard, come and get it for free if you want.

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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2004, 02:01:48 pm »
How nice of you.
Up your count at S,G like DK suggested.

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« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2004, 08:41:21 pm »
I have a real coke machine, and I'll agree, they suck up the electricity.  I don't even use mine anymore.  it's in the backyard, come and get it for free if you want.

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« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2004, 09:28:53 pm »
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« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2004, 07:29:37 am »
Where do you live?  I'll come get it.
I don't pay for electricity!  ;D

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I don't pay for electricity!  ;D
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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2004, 06:58:05 pm »
I worked in a restaurant that dealt exclusively with Coke products, so I'm rather experienced with their fountains.  You will need some electrical work done, as the dispensers require it to run the metering/dispensing pumps.  

Hmm, I have a 5 head in my kitchen (don't ask).  The only electrical it needs is a 15amp service to run the compressor (the thing that freezes the block of ice that the syrup and carbonated water run through to chill it) and the solenoids for the heads.   There's also the actual carbonator (pump and holding tank).  This may need another 5 amps or so, depending on the size.  The syrup pumps run off CO2.

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The water doesn't need to be carbonated, that's where the CO2 tank comes in.  

You'll also need the carbonator.  It's a pretty pricey piece, but it's hard to get fizzy water without one.  It can be done, but you need a stainless syrup tank (2-5 gallons) and a CO2 tank w/ regulator.  Chill the tank and the water, pressurize it with the CO2 (I forget how many psi at the moment, but there is plenty of info on "forced carbonation" out there) shake it vigorously for about 5mins and put the whole thing in a cold fridge for about 24 hours.

As I said, you'll want a carbonator. :)

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If you have a Sam's club near you, you can easily buy a BIB (Bag In Box) of syrup for ~$40, which should make ~10 gallons of Coke (possibly a bit more, ~2-4 gallons more).

Actually, the mix is 1:5, so a 5 gallon BIB should get you around 30 gallons of soda :)

Sam's has restrictions on who they can sell syrup to.  They are imposed by the CocaCola people and supposedly it's only to business and there are forms to fill out.  But it can't be worse than dealing with CocalCola themselves (who understandably aren't too concerned about selling to individuals)

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If there's a restaurant near you and they serve Coke, you can probably easily get the manager to buy you a "Brix Kit" for Coke to properly meter the syrup/water ratio.

If you are on city water or some other reasonably regulated source of water pressure, a brixer usually isn't necessary.  There are mix controls on the fountains for this.

But, what is very necessary is a backflow preventer for the carbonated water if you are using copper pipes.  Without one of these in place, the CO2 will have a nasty interaction with the copper causing you to become very familiar with the term "projectile vomiting"  :o  You also want to make very sure that any and all components that come into contact with the carbonated liquids are made of FDA approved stainless steel or plastic.

Oh, and a filter that gets rid of chlorine and other nasty stuff is a good idea too, unless you like that flavor in your soda.  :P

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Now that you've got the numbers, (~20 2 Liters) you can see what the cost breakdown is...in the end, I think the taste from a fountain is different enough (and better, IMO) that if you're looking for that taste, the money will be well spent.

Again, more like 60 2-litre bottles, and you need to factor in the constant running of the compressors, the investment in equipment, the cost and hassle of getting the syrup and the CO2, etc....  If anyone is considering doing this to save money, forget it.  It's not going to happen, especially nowadays with 99cent 2-litre bottles of anything you like.

But you do have more control over the flavor of the soda and the amount of carbonation and that's enough to make it worthwhile to some.  Just look at the ebay competition on this stuff sometimes ;)

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2004, 07:48:14 pm »
Quote from: RandyT link=board=6;threadidActually, the mix is 1:5, so a 5 gallon BIB should get you around 30 gallons of soda :)[quote
ah!  I just read the thing wrong!  thanks for clearing that up!

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Sam's has restrictions on who they can sell syrup to.  They are imposed by the CocaCola people and supposedly it's only to business and there are forms to fill out.  But it can't be worse than dealing with CocalCola themselves (who understandably aren't too concerned about selling to individuals)
I betcha you can find a restaurant to buy from if there's one close by that isn't "franchised".  Talk to the manager, and I betcha they let you buy a bib or twelve for cash!  

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If you are on city water or some other reasonably regulated source of water pressure, a brixer usually isn't necessary.  There are mix controls on the fountains for this.
I don't follow you on this, can you clear that one up?  The brix kit is to make it easy to measure the ratio, and sure you can do it by hand, but how does the city water factor into the equation?  I'm not following that part.

I also never had to worry about a compressor to keep the mix cold.  The fountains I dealt with ran the lines under the ice bin (they were all-in-ones that had the drain rack and ice bin as part of the fountain) which cooled the soda sufficiently, although this would PROBABLY be out of the scope of the home fountain, as it took up almost as much space as a dishwasher.

Where did you get a five head from?  I'd be interested in how long it took you to set up, and also interested in the "long story" as to how you got to set it up in the kitchen!  What flavors do you run, and where do you get replacement parts?

And lastly, I bet you don't regret installing it, do ya?!  ;D
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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2004, 10:33:57 pm »

I betcha you can find a restaurant to buy from if there's one close by that isn't "franchised".  Talk to the manager, and I betcha they let you buy a bib or twelve for cash!  

Probably, but there goes your "bang for buck".  If he sells it to you, he'll want to make a profit on it.  And if CocaCola catches him, he might have to switch to Pepsi ;)

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If you are on city water or some other reasonably regulated source of water pressure, a brixer usually isn't necessary.  There are mix controls on the fountains for this.
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I don't follow you on this, can you clear that one up?  The brix kit is to make it easy to measure the ratio, and sure you can do it by hand, but how does the city water factor into the equation?  I'm not following that part.

Usually the fountains have individual adjustments for water and syrup flow at each head.  These are just small screw valves.  If the water pressure remains constant, so does your mix.  Depending on where you live, city water is usually regulated pretty well by a gigantic pump, and further regulated by the size of the pipe coming into your house.  As long as all that remains constant (and it usually does pretty well) you don't really need a brixer.  But if you live someplace with a well and your own small water pump, or your incoming line is shared with the rest of an apartment building, the variations in pressure caused by people showering, washing clothes, etc. will  translate into varying amounts of water going into your mix at any given time.  In that case, you will need an extra piece of equipment to make sure the ratios are consistant.

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I also never had to worry about a compressor to keep the mix cold.  The fountains I dealt with ran the lines under the ice bin (they were all-in-ones that had the drain rack and ice bin as part of the fountain) which cooled the soda sufficiently, although this would PROBABLY be out of the scope of the home fountain, as it took up almost as much space as a dishwasher.

As you state, these are very impractical for a home fountain.  Size, energy, water usage, etc....  A compressor system is pretty much your only option.

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Where did you get a five head from?  I'd be interested in how long it took you to set up, and also interested in the "long story" as to how you got to set it up in the kitchen!  What flavors do you run, and where do you get replacement parts?

Ebay...got the fountain, carbonator, regulators and syrup pumps as package deal.  The syrup pumps were bad, and had no BIB connectors.  Absolutely horrible time trying to get parts.  Gave up and replaced the CO2 driven syrup pumps with the old fashioned syrup kegs (also from ebay).  Pressurize them with the CO2, which forces syrup to the heads.  The only PITA is the washing of the kegs and transferring of the syrup from the BIB.  But the benefit is that you can experiment with your own concoctions.  I keep thinking about getting some tonic water syrup and throwing a gallon of Gin in with it for gin and tonics on tap!  But I don't have enough free time for the AA meetings, so I better not ;).

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And lastly, I bet you don't regret installing it, do ya?!  ;D

Absolutely not.  BUT.....I haven't had syrup in it for almost a year now.  Too much hassle and lately, too little time to deal with it.  Hopefully soon though.....Oh, and when it was up and running last, we had MinuteMaid Orange, Mr. Pibb, Barq's, Mellow Yellow, and Coke.  For anyone counting, that represents 90 gallons of soda and $120.00, which is a good chunk of change when you think about what it's for.

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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2004, 11:04:19 pm »
Oh, and when it was up and running last, we had MinuteMaid Orange, Mr. Pibb, Barq's, Mellow Yellow, and Coke.  For anyone counting, that represents 90 gallons of soda and $120.00, which is a good chunk of change when you think about what it's for.
reading that, I just remembered (for some reason, that spelling looks way off right now, man I need some sleep!)  something - we had Mr Pibb because Dr Pepper used a different bib connection - and depending on what part of town we got it from, it might have the CORRECT fitting we needed!  Just another thing to remember when considering giving this a go.

For the record, I'd be ok with the cost just for soda...the Barq's and Coke alone would justify it for me!  The cans or bottles that can be bought taste SO different after getting used to fountain tastes.
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Re:Build your own Coke machine??
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2004, 10:28:34 pm »
www.barmonkey.net
some college guys made their own vending machine that serves mixed drinks. thrn other people modified the idea... it's all there.