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Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2015, 03:45:22 pm »
hmmm...well, if you like it, that's all that matters. :)

But if you are looking for comments/critiques, please take mine with a grain of salt:

Personally I'm one of those purists when it comes to these fiberglass Sega cabinets, and while I commend you for breathing life back into this cab, this mainly reminds me of Dr.Frankenstein taking what was meant for the grave, and instead of making it beautiful again...well, you get the gist. People always say "well, it was meant for the dump, purists back off", but I'm sorry, you had an opportunity here to restore this cabinet tastefully and still retain the essence of the original.

I normally give a balance of good and bad comments, but I'm hard-pressed to find one good thing I like about this renovation. Maybe, the cleaned-up white parts?...but then you're going to paint it all black, so there goes that.  :-\

I've seen this cabinet restored and modernized tastefully before, by Psykick from Arcade Otaku/Shmups forums, and he started off in even worse shape than yours (rusted, busted, and missing a lot of parts).

This might give you an idea on what I mean about doing this tastefully and retaining the originality:


Video of it running here:


And here's how he mounted the LCD (not sure how stable it is, but with the smaller sized screen, it looks pretty solid):


If you have an AO account, you can check out his restoration thread that shows the breakdown and repainting of the old rusted beast.

I really like how he restored the base to it's original colour w/ new decals. I also like his LCD panel, being no wider than the cabinet base itself, easier to mount given it's size. Also having a panel with a white frame and Sega logo to go with the cab is a nice touch, plus his dedication to a fighting game set-up on his CP. (I know you're making yours a one-cab-fits-all set-up, but I say even that could have been done more in line with the style of this cab).

Again, take this with a grain of salt as this is my opinion, other's my vary.
But for me, if I acquired this cabinet and meant to restore it, I would go the Psykick route.

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2015, 04:04:27 pm »
The seat was super uncomfortable, so I added some nice thick padding and put some fabric over it. I found some Spiderman fabric and really liked it so used it. I don't really think it fits and it annoys me evertime I look at it. A couple of others have mentioned they don't like the seat so its due for a change. Any opinions/suggestions appreciated.

This dude in Manhattan used TMNT bedsheets from Target. You could probably do that.


Naw, black vinyl all the way.

Again, take this with a grain of salt as this is my opinion, other's my vary.
But for me, if I acquired this cabinet and meant to restore it, I would go the Psykick route.

I hope the OP appreciates your honest comments and doesn't go all Chris Kooliris on you.  :cheers:
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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Again, take this with a grain of salt as this is my opinion, other's my vary.
But for me, if I acquired this cabinet and meant to restore it, I would go the Psykick route.
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 04:04:58 am »
After reading what the OP just posted I was on the floor laughing my butt off. :laugh2:

Dude, myself and many other people here can see why you're not pleased with your work being criticized, but what did you post it here for? So we can praise everything you do and not give any of our own opinions? The way you've gone about handling the project is just fine. I personally think it looks sweet.

However, I have to agree with Opt2Not on this one. I do think that the Psykick cabinet looks better due to it looking like something that you'd actually see in an arcade.

Regardless of what we think, that doesn't justify you flying off the handle and getting defensive when nothing intentionally offensive was said.

No one here is telling you what to do with YOUR cabinet. We're just critiquing and giving our opinions. Don't like opinions that conflict yours? Don't post your project here. I guarantee every project on these boards has someone who doesn't agree with a design choice by the builder. Should that stop them? No, not at all. It should enable them to look at their project from different viewpoints and try to understand other's thoughts.

Hey, but what do I know right?

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 07:43:51 am »
I love the sf art you choose. The Spider-Man seatcover looks like a child's pair of pajamas. Fix that and you'll be in a much better place. :cheers:

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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I love the sf art you choose. The Spider-Man seatcover looks like a child's pair of pajamas. Fix that and you'll be in a much better place. :cheers:
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2015, 09:52:18 am »
Yet you managed to say it with out completely sh.ting on everything I did and making a first time poster feel like they aren't welcome here.

While his comments were strong, I think he prefaced with enough information to show you where he was coming from - that of someone who loves these types of cabs and has a strong opinion on how they are handled. I never felt like he was attacking you (in fact, if you look at it closely he never says anything negative about you), and he even provided an alternative to show you why he felt the way he did.

I know sometimes it's hard to hear opinions that go contrary to your own, but trust me, 99% of the suggestions you get from people here come from experience (the other %1 is either PBJ being PBJ or X2 being X2).  :cheers:
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2015, 06:30:48 pm »
I guess you ran out of salt.   :laugh:

While his comments were strong, I think he prefaced with enough information to show you where he was coming from - that of someone who loves these types of cabs and has a strong opinion on how they are handled.
This is exactly it. Strong, but completely comes from a place of passion. And let me point out the first few lines of my post. Grain of Salt, and If you like it that's all that matters, and If you're looking for critique...yadda yadda.

If you read my original post I apologise it was uncalled for. If I had the skills, resources and funds I would do things better.
I took it with a grain of salt. This isn't my first rodeo. ;)

But to be frank, you obviously do have the skills given how far you've come with this. You just need to hone them towards making good design choices. This hobby requires both a design sense, construction ability, and at least the basics of wiring.

Resources? Well, this forum is a great resource. 

Funds, well that's something you gotta work out yourself.

And I didnt post it here to get praise, was just hoping to join a community of people that can help me learn, didn't expect the first comment I received to make me feel like I am just some hack that isn't worthy of posting here
Well I don't know. The thing that throws me off is that you posted the entire progress log in one day, without even waiting for comments that could have gave you more guidance in certain areas of the project. That leads me to believe you don't really want any input, since you already went ahead without hearing anyone's opinion. Does that not look like fishing for approval? And being a part of this "community" doesn't mean dropping in and expecting everyone to like everything you post.

But you say you're here to learn, well you just learned how a faithful restore like Psykicks could be something you could do. I didn't call you a hack, but if you feel that way, then that's a personal thing. We all have our opinions, and I gave you mine in the most delicate way that I was comfortable with. I only pointed out that it's not my cup-o-tea, and I've seen this cabinet done a different way that is pleases the essence of that cabinets design.

People are much worse in giving their opinion than I am.  I'm a pussycat in comparison to some of the more, acidic members here ;)

You and the other guy basically said the same thing, you both prefer a proper restore and would've done it different from me. Yet you managed to say it with out completely sh.ting on everything I did and making a first time poster feel like they aren't welcome here.
Well I guess my 40 mins of writing you a thoughtful, objective post, as well as hunting down photos and a video example for you to refer to counts for nothing...
Hey, I didn't write all that to make you leave this forum. I wrote it to help you see what the potential this cabinet has. It breaks my heart when I see cabinets restored or converted in a way that does a disservice to their original glory.

Also, please don't work around the profanity filter. (it's one of the forum rules)  It's there for a reason. If you want to cuss, then ---smurfing--- go for it. The profanity filter gives the option to those who don't want to see curse words.

I found the "not a good thing I can say'' and just let Frankenstein's monster die implication rather harsh.
Perhaps my Frankenstein statement was misconstrued. I meant that, instead of making it look beautiful again, restoring its former glory, you ended up with a mismatched cabinet, only just to get this thing to live again.  It has much more potential than that, which is why I gave you an example of Psykicks beauty.

Like I said, I like the clean-up, but if you're going to paint the whole thing black (which is a Japanese arcade cabinet crime) then that totally negates the one thing I liked about it. And your plans for all the gun and guitar mounts...well, I'll leave my opinion about that out of this.

One area I will not concede is my second screen. I don't care what anyone says, what I did with the instruction leaflet insert area of a stock Sega Super Megalo 2 cab is bad ass. Psykicks cab is 95% better than mine but when it comes to that I got him. He put a printed out plain Marvel v Capcom move list in there, and I put a LED panel that displays  move lists of whatever game you choose and changes each time you select a new game and is viewable at ANY angle. And I integrated it into panel without having to alter the stock cab in any way, but if there isn't a 'single positive' thing one can say about my build I guess that's fair. Right?
Fair enough. Given that you're going full mame and all-games-every-created in one cabinet, it makes sense to have a update-able instruction space via an additional screen. But please, at least round out the corners of that plexi covering the instruction space. This can easily be achieved by either using a router or dremel, or if you don't have those tools, a simple File and some elbow grease can be used. It'll fit cleaner into that space, as well as look more pro.

Personally, I don't normally enjoy having another brightly lit screen glaring at me when I'm concentrating on the main display. It mucks up the main focus, and adds an additional complexity to setting up the hardware. Power, heat, space, etc...
This is just my preference. But most people would probably agree with you. 

As for the artwork, I in all honesty cannot give you that one. You didn't create the art, you only arranged it. This is the trouble with artwork on the net. People grab it willy-nilly, then throw it together in a way that fits their needs, then call it their own. When in fact, you are not the original artist. As an artist myself, I know the pains of being on the other end of having my work being claimed as someone else's.
But you did a good job piecing them together in that arrangement in Photoshop, or Gimp, or whatever art software you're using. 

It looks like they're split into 5 different prints? I know not everyone can afford a full-length print job, but could you have cut them along the black lines, rather than having the seams in the middle of character images? (Ryu's is down the middle, Guile's at his shoulder)  Having the seams down the edges of the black lines would help make it look better IMO.

Alright, I'm tired of typing.
Please don't leave the forum. Grain of salt, man...grain of salt...
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2015, 07:11:27 pm »
I love the sf art you choose. The Spider-Man seatcover looks like a child's pair of pajamas. Fix that and you'll be in a much better place. :cheers:

I thought Spiderman would fit with SF in a Marvel vs Capcom kinda way but it just looks like a kids bean bag. It has always bothered me. Next day off work I will go pick up some plain fabric/vinyl and re-do it.

Woohoo! Looking forward to seeing it after! :)

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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I guess you ran out of salt.   :laugh:



 
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2015, 12:17:12 pm »
I like the black, but agree it needs something to tie it in with the base especially from the side view as it appears to be floating or stuck on there.  Maybe pull some of the other colors from the base and do an accent stripe or pinstripe on the black with it, the blue and green would be my pick (if that's what it is I'm a little chromatically challenged).
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2015, 07:41:23 am »
I like the black, but agree it needs something to tie it in with the base especially from the side view as it appears to be floating or stuck on there.  Maybe pull some of the other colors from the base and do an accent stripe or pinstripe on the black with it, the blue and green would be my pick (if that's what it is I'm a little chromatically challenged).
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2015, 09:51:27 am »
Something that isn't mentioned here a lot is how ranty responses will run off other users who don't want to hassle with providing any feedback good bad or indifferent to what might be becoming an internet slapfight.  That can immediately reduce traffic to your thread - people won't spend as much time on the build as they spend on the argument - and then you miss out on what could be great feedback. 

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Something that isn't mentioned here a lot is how ranty responses will run off other users who don't want to hassle with providing any feedback good bad or indifferent to what might be becoming an internet slapfight.  That can immediately reduce traffic to your thread - people won't spend as much time on the build as they spend on the argument - and then you miss out on what could be great feedback.
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2015, 02:47:15 pm »
I'm not going to add to the salty mood on this thread. I just clicked on it cause I love SEGA and I really wanted to see what you were going to do with this form factor.

Well I don't know. The thing that throws me off is that you posted the entire progress log in one day, without even waiting for comments that could have gave you more guidance in certain areas of the project.
I think opt2not hit the nail on the head here. The purpose of the project announcement thread is to announce that your working on a project, and let the community help you figure things out as you go. When guys like opt2not, DeLuSioNal,  PL1, dudes with over 3,000 posts!!!  pop onto your thread you should probably take what they say with a little bit of thought. That many posts over many years means they have valuable experience to draw upon. Negative feedback always seems harsh until you digest it and come to terms with the fact that it may be better.

If you are not a purist, then don't worry about what someone says. Take it as a suggestion, even if they say it sucks, and move along. People told me my artwork was garbage in the beginning and i should remove the gradients and all of this other stuff. Know what happened? I surpassed what I thought I could do in the end. Don't modify what you have just because someone on the forum tells you to, only do it if you agree that it's a better suggestion than what you had in mind.

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2015, 03:54:02 pm »
Also, never use the number of posts to validate what anyone says.  Good advice and feedback can come from anywhere, as can asshatery and some asshats post more than others.  Just look at me ;)

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2015, 04:14:03 pm »
I blame your Spider-man seat cushion.  :cheers:
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2015, 04:20:45 pm »
I blame your Spider-man seat cushion.  :cheers:

I don't have Spider-man seat cushions.  So there!

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2015, 04:23:47 pm »
I blame your Spider-man seat cushion.  :cheers:

I don't have Spider-man seat cushions.  So there!

I was blaming the OPs Spidey seat cushion. I blame your white sandals and jeans.
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2015, 04:28:37 pm »
I blame your Spider-man seat cushion.  :cheers:

I don't have Spider-man seat cushions.  So there!

I was blaming the OPs Spidey seat cushion. I blame your white sandals and jeans.

I just kaneda'd in my mouth.  Thanks. 

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2015, 01:12:46 pm »
Also, never use the number of posts to validate what anyone says.
Yea your right. For every PL1 and Delusional, there is a Le Chuck or PBJ.  :laugh2: Look at me, my comments are awe inspiring and I only have 130 some posts.

I mostly come here to partake in the asshatery myself so...

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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2015, 02:33:37 pm »
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Re: Sega Super Megalo 2 conversion
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