Sony KV27 FS100

[steved61]

Ok was able to find one of these TV's close to the for $30.00. I will be putting it to a cabinet for Mame. Just how do I connect the Computer to the TV for best results? I will be building a new Computer just for the build. Can I use a cable like this, VGA to Component Video TV-Out Cable 0.1M ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4DN1P62814&cm_re=component_out-_-9SIA4DN1P62814-_-Product
By the way if anyone is using this TV uncased could you tell me  the width uncased.
Thanks for any help.
Steved1961

[rCadeGaming]

That cable won't work.  See here for what you need to know about using TV's:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1288832.html#msg1288832

[steved61]

Thanks but I already read that thread and if this was 2009 I know exactly what to do. But it being 6/2014 what do I need to buy to make this work. Cable , video card etc...
Steved1961.

[rCadeGaming]

 

[Dawgz Rule]

Umm.....do the same thing you would do in 2009.  Despite the age of the original thread, the instructions apply just as much today as they did then. 

[steved61]

So The only way to make this TV work in a cab is to buy a $200.00 adapter ? I have had no luck finding a modern video card with component out. It seems my options are:
TV and adapter $230.00
Arcade monitor CRT with Bezel $600.00
Arcade monitor LCD with Bezel and Bracket $600.00
Vizio LCD 28" TV make a Bezel $229.00
Does this sum up my current options or am I missing something?
Thanks for any help.
SteveD1961

[Dungeonsdeep]

Thanks but I already read that thread and if this was 2009 I know exactly what to do. But it being 6/2014 what do I need to buy to make this work. Cable , video card etc...
Steved1961.

The technology being used in that 2009 thread was "outdated" in terms of hardware anyway (most sane humans had moved onto LED TVs, SLI graphics cards, and HDMI signals)

So I am pretty sure that thread will hold true forever.

Oh, and further on in that post they discuss a cheaper option for the transcoder. $48: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YPbPr-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/370695549217?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item564f2d3121

[steved61]

Thanks guys, but I'm still confused.Right now the cheapest way to go is the LCD TV. Are there any cheaper options to connect the Sony? The 2 Arcade monitors at $600.00 are just plain nuts. So my choices are, LCD TV $229.00 or Sony Tv and adapter $230.00 I'd love to have the CRT but an 11 year old Tv for the same  price as the LCD is really no choice at all.
SteveD1961

[Dawgz Rule]

It really depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  If you simply want a display, you can go with an LCD and be done with it.  Or, you could use the LCD with a SLG to simulate scan lines.  You could also install a video card with an S-Video out and simply use that with the Sony TV. 

The benefit of the TV you have is that it can display native resolutions, similar to that of an arcade monitor.  So, for about a third of the price of the arcade monitors you identified, you can have the same look and feel.  The transcoder identified in the original thread is unique in that it will pass through the original arcade resolution whereas others will scale it up.   That isn't to say that other transcoders won't do the same but you will need to do your homework.

I am in the process of building a cab using a Sony TV.  I ended up purchasing a TC1600 simply because it has been tested and confirmed to work as expected.  I did look at alternative transcoders but I was unable to find one that didn't scale up the image as part of the conversion. 

[steved61]

Thanks now I understand. Still not sure what I'm going to do, but I'm glad I got the TV.
Steved1961

[rCadeGaming]

Don't overlook the CVS287 (or its clones on eBay) which is what Dungeonsdeep is referring to.  It doesn't do any scaling either.  As far as what can be seen on a 15kHz tube, the video quality is almost the same as the TC1600.  The downside is that you have to build your own VGA to SCART adapter to use it, which requires soldering or crimping, and might cost you another $20 for parts.

In addition to being plug and play, the TC1600 does have some other advantages.  The person selling them also designed and builds them, and he gives top-notch support.  The TC1600 also has adjustable gamma, h sync width, v sync width, and h sync delay (horizontal position control).  Those last features aren't strictly necessary with MAME though, as things can be controlled from the PC anyhow, but they're useful with consoles.  There is a slightly cheaper TC1500 which lacks those features.

Dawgz Rule, I apologize if you bought the TC1600 on my recommendation only to find out later that I'm recommending the CVS-287 as a cheaper, acceptable option.  I'm fairly sure you got your TC1600 before I thought to try the CVS-287 with MAME by making the adapter.  If it gives you any reassurance, I still use TC1600's for all my projects.

[Dawgz Rule]

 

[rCadeGaming]

'nuff said.

[Dawgz Rule]

Although I am pretty good with the soldering iron, I went with the TC1600 for convenience.  Time is at a premium in the spring and summer so I went with convenience over cost.

[Malenko]

So The only way to make this TV work in a cab is to buy a $200.00 adapter ? I have had no luck finding a modern video card with component out. It seems my options are:

nVidia GTX6800 to 9800 line (not cutting edge, but enough for MAME) had component and composite out. Need an older driver to push non HD resolutions over component.

You DO NOT need a $200 adapter, but be prepared to hear how you cant enjoy playing cause there's .00000000000001 millisecond more delay

[rCadeGaming]

Malenko, do you mean that those card could actually do custom 15kHz progressive resolutions over component?

[Dungeonsdeep]

Malenko, do you mean that those card could actually do custom 15kHz progressive resolutions over component?

Would like to know this, as I have a few of these cards.

[steved61]

Once I remove the case the Sony KV27 FS100 will mount to the original brackets or will I have to make a bracket?
Steved61

[steved61]

Found a  EVGA GTX285 video card in my parts pile. I was able to buy the component cable on Ebay for $6.00. Ok decase the Sony, mount the Sony in the cabinet and use the EVGA GTX285 for component output. Am I missing any thing?
Steved61

[theillest]

are there other alternatives for transcoders for component.  I also have a sony tv without SCART though as i'm in the US.   I tried http://www.crescendo-systems.com/transcoder.html but it appears to no longer be a valid site.  Any other VGA to component? I have an HD4350 card.   Thanks in advance.

[Loafmeister]

I'm looking to explore the Sony KV27 FS100 route.   I was looking at an SVGA new monitor as a preferred solution for my Virtua Fighter mame cab but at $700 plus tax Canadian, that's an insane option (and reviews don't appear to be stellar)

so the question is, right now I've got a 27" TV via svideo.  is the Component solution that much better?  I know it was a very decent pic on my LCD but no idea how that will look on a CRT.  Has anyone ever taken any screenshots via camera to show the difference in clarity between both options?  If the present TV was 4 feet away, I probably wouldn't complain but it's just a tad too blurry at close range so definitely want a better solution but I just can't justify the brand new SVGA solution.

Appreciate the advice,

Loaf

[Saneless]

My 27" TV is not that far from my face, hooked up with S-Video, and looks great to me.  Granted, I haven't spent too much time up close with an actual arcade monitor, but I know I can't stand the look of LCDs with MAME and I have no complaints with my setup.

MY TV doesn't have Component so I can't talk about that improvement, but for now I'm good.

[Dawgz Rule]

I don't have screen shots that I can share but I did start the preliminary build on a new cabinet and hooked up to the S-Video in order to test my setup.  The TV is the same chassis that you have.   My other cab is an arcade monitor with an arcadevga card.  Without question, the arcade monitor was superior as compared to the S-Video.  It wasn't even close.   I have not had the opportunity to test the transcoder I purchased yet.

[rCadeGaming]

You can't run native res from an s-video out.  At least no one has ever been able to confirm they've found a video card that's capable of it.  Everything will be interlaced, meaning motion feathering, and no scan lines.  Also, without being able to match the native refresh rate, you'll either have sound and game speed problems, or extra lag caused by the necessary workarounds.

See the third link in my signature for pictures of native res on a KV-27FS120 (which should look the same as a 100).  Some people think the scan lines look to strong, but I like them, and you have to keep in mind that they don't look quite as pronounced in person as they do in the close up shots.  The picture of the Blazing Lazers title screen is a good indication of what it really looks like.