Can groovymame display Galaxian how I want it > sharp and integer scaled.

[jimmer]

Following previous advice:
I've created mame.ini
and set "monitor lcd" and the "aspect 16:10"

Galaxian fills the screen, probably as you'd expect, but that's not what I want.

Can I get it to use just a central column of screen? I'm not too fussy anything around 3:4 would be good. And I'd prefer black borders top and bottom to non-integer scaling.


Note: my actual arcade machines will either be 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 or 1920x1080.  I'm assuming I'll be able to adapt any advice to those.

[Calamity]

Hi jimmer,

By reading your post I understand that the picture just fills the screen without respecting the aspect ratio. That's not what you'd expect unless your setup is wrong.

This is what I get here (2560x1600):

[jimmer]

That's what I'm after !

Something seems to have gone wrong then.

It's a windows7 64bit compilation.
I downloaded the files fresh, mame0153 and 0153_groovymame_015b.diff and hi_153.diff

did the patches
patch -p0 -E <hi_153.diff
patch -p0 -E <0153_groovymame_015b.diff

then compiled as usual.

my mame64.exe is 97560064 bytes. Anyone confirm that's correct?



edit:
my 32bit exe is 84060160 bytes

it gives same result (fills screen) on winXP / Dell dual core / 1920x1080

[Calamity]

Did you create mame.ini as it is supposed to:

groovymame.exe -cc

[jimmer]

Yes.
here is my mame.ini

[jimmer]

PS.
My executable is not called groovymame.exe   
Just mame.exe or mame64.exe 
That doesn't indicate a problem does it?

[Calamity]

Your mame.ini is fine.

What about other vertical games?

Have you tried deleting all .cfg files?

[jimmer]

config files deleted.

same result (filled screen) with DonkeyKong, Pengo.

[Calamity]

Post a log please:

groovymame.exe romname -v >romname.txt

[jimmer]

This is the 32bit version run from windows7

[machyavel]

hello, try this

lcd_range                 49-61

I need it even though my lcd is 60Hz only, else I get full stretch.

edit: hum strange, this seems not true anymore. 

[Calamity]

It looks like GM is not able to access your mame.ini for some reason, so it's not reading your "monitor lcd" option. Try to figure out what the reason for this can be. What folder have you placed groovymame.exe and its ini in? Anyway, GM must be run with ADMIN RIGHTS.

[jimmer]

Calamity.   ooops that log was from a version that was missing the mame.ini   

Machyavel,  49-61 produces the correct shape.  But it runs chronically slow. It says 33% but feels slower.

here is the log and  mame.ini

[jimmer]

PC is i3 3.3GHz with old video card: GEForce 7300LE  SLI Disabled.


just going to try it on my Dell dual core arcade machine

[Calamity]

My advice is to set the desktop to 60 Hz instead of 59 as you have it now.

Apart from that, the card might be slow for prescaling, which is quite odd, try forcing a lower prescale value from command line (-prescale 2) to see if it makes any difference.

[jimmer]

Just back from the garage. It runs full speed on the Dell dual core.

It's fuzzy though.
Is it  integer scaling I want to cure that ?

[jimmer]

My advice is to set the desktop to 60 Hz instead of 59 as you have it now.

Apart from that, the card might be slow for prescaling, which is quite odd, try forcing a lower prescale value from command line (-prescale 2) to see if it makes any difference.

For some reason 60Hz won't stick, it changes back to 59 right away.

prescale 2 doubles the speed. 49% instaed of 26%

I'm not bothered about my win7 desktop. If it's a different problem then let's not worry about it. The arcade machine is the important one.

[Calamity]

Just back from the garage. It runs full speed on the Dell dual core.

It's fuzzy though.
Is it  integer scaling I want to cure that ?

Is that an LCD? Depending on the LCD's native resolution compared to the game GM may decide to use integer scaling or not. Post a log so I see what's going on.

[machyavel]

My dell u2312 1920x1200 is actually set (and stuck) @59Hz as well.

Noted your win7 doesnt bother you much anyway it seems like prescale 1 would give something about 98-99%, meaning correct speed since galaxian runs @60.6. Just give it a try for the record...

[jimmer]

My dell u2312 1920x1200 is actually set (and stuck) @59Hz as well.

Noted your win7 doesnt bother you much anyway it seems like prescale 1 would give something about 98-99%, meaning correct speed since galaxian runs @60.6. Just give it a try for the record...

Got 88% like that, but doesn't look so good. I need me some integer scaling

[jimmer]

Just back from the garage. It runs full speed on the Dell dual core.

It's fuzzy though.
Is it  integer scaling I want to cure that ?

Is that an LCD? Depending on the LCD's native resolution compared to the game GM may decide to use integer scaling or not. Post a log so I see what's going on.

1920x1080 LCD. Just off to get a log. 

here is the log:

[Calamity]

It looks like you have the desktop set at a wrong resolution (1280x1024), you should be using the native one (1920x1080).

[jimmer]

I just spotted that in the log myself.  Doh!  I was in a rush when I put the arcade cab together.

Just corrected the resolution. Mame runs OK, using ddr option Galaxian is too small (my original problem).

groovymame doesn't work. I can hear the game running, but I get a few jagged white triangles only on screen.
log for that:
 

[Calamity]

What if you force -prescale 1 or 2?

[jimmer]

What if you force -prescale 1 or 2?

No difference, just white triangles on black.

[Calamity]

What if you force -prescale 1 or 2?

No difference, just white triangles on black.

Did you try it from command line? (I mean not from mame.ini)

[jimmer]

yeah, I only tried it command line.

I'm going to set up some more machines to see what they do:

Dell optiplex745 core2 duo, winXP, Asus 1920x1080 (this is what I'm using at the moment)
Dell optiplex745 core2 duo, winXP, Dell 1600x1200
Dell optiplex745 core2 duo, winXP, Dell 1280x1024

Would it help if I added the optional video cards?  256MB ATI Radeon™ X1300 Pro

[jimmer]

update:

It isn't a groovymame problem.  mame0153 just doesn't work at 1920x1080 on my Dell for some reason.
mame0148 does work. 

[Calamity]

Hi jimmer, sorry for the late answer. I read about problems with MAME and Intel cards, this was some time ago in the mameworld forums, maybe you'll find more information there.

[jimmer]

I'm about to compile groovymame0148 and then I'll be back with more questions.

regular mame:
Since last post I have discovered d3d -nofilter. That gives me the crisp picture I like in normal mame. So with Galaxian it fills the screen vertically. But I still have this urge for integer scaling, knowing there are extra lines in there just bugs me. I want Galaxian to be 256x4 = 1024 high on my 1920x1080 lcd.


groovymame:
I discovered when rotating my 1280x1024 lcd that vertically groovymame gives a switchres warning and then displays a crisp image. but horizontally gives no error popup and a fuzzy image.

So, how do I force a crisp image in groovymame?

And I think you said before that I couldn't choose my own integer scale factors? But can I force integer scaling and keep aspect ratio?

[ZeroPoint]

Hi,

Have you tried this:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,113151.msg1413508.html#msg1413508

If you merge hlslpath, hlsl, resolution and aspect ratio settings from vertical.ini into your galaxian.ini it may work. Also copy the folders and artwork.

I will try this myself later. 

[jimmer]

Calamity:
I'm ready for help   groovymame0148 up and running.
It's doing the same as before, filling the screen vertically(1080), correct aspect, fuzzy.
I'd like either a) 1080high crisp  or preferably b) 4x256=1024high and crisp.

ZeroPoint:
Im on groovymame0148. Are you saying that I'll be able to get what I want using that vertical_mod ? I can see it does all sorts of things I don't want, and it looks like overkill, but if it will work I'll have a go at understanding it all.

[ZeroPoint]

I tried groovymame 0.153 on my Dell 1920x1200 monitor and have no problem getting a crisp image.

From the default installation the only changes I made in mame.ini was :

keepaspect 1
modeline_generation 0
monitor lcd
resolution 1920x1200@60

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If you want to try the mod, I have attached the files (only a test for galaxian) for 0.153 and made it simple to use.

Just copy "hlslgalaxian" to your mame folder and copy galaxian.ini and galaxian.cfg to their respective folders.

This mod is for 1920 x 1200 resolution. (Can't get "switchres 1" to work for some reason, so you should set your desktop resolution to this first.)

I made this mod to get a larger image on horizontal LCDs. (Just like an arcade monitor tilted back.)

If you don't like the curviness, just set "pincushion" to 0 in galaxian.ini

[Calamity]

Calamity:
I'm ready for help   groovymame0148 up and running.
It's doing the same as before, filling the screen vertically(1080), correct aspect, fuzzy.
I'd like either a) 1080high crisp  or preferably b) 4x256=1024high and crisp.

a) GM forces -filter on when fractional stretching is applied. All you need to do is forcing -filter off, but you can't do this from mame.ini as the SwitchRes patch has higher priority. Either use a game specific ini file or the vertical.ini file for that.

b) GM is already doing that, at least here

Ok, I've downloaded GroovyUME 0.148u2 Windows 64bit from here. I've created ume.ini and edited the roms path, "monitor lcd", and "aspect ratio 16:9". I've set my monitor resolution at 1920x1080 to match yours. Now when I launch galaxian I get two nice borders up and down and a crisp picture. I've attached my ume.ini, log, and a picture

The important bit is here:

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SwitchRes: [galaxian] (1) vertical (224x256@60.61)->(1920x1080@60.00)
   rng(0): 1920 x1080_60.000p 67.080 [integ] scale(4, 4, 1) diff(0.17, 5.10, -0.6061) ratio(8.571, 4.219)
As you see [integ] means integer scaling, 4 is the scaling factor, etc.

[jimmer]

If you want to try the mod, I have attached the files (only a test for galaxian) for 0.153 and made it simple to use.

Just copy "hlslgalaxian" to your mame folder and copy galaxian.ini and galaxian.cfg to their respective folders.

This mod is for 1920 x 1200 resolution. (Can't get "switchres 1" to work for some reason, so you should set your desktop resolution to this first.)

I made this mod to get a larger image on horizontal LCDs. (Just like an arcade monitor tilted back.)

If you don't like the curviness, just set "pincushion" to 0 in galaxian.ini

Well I got this working straight off. On my desktop PC video card combo it runs at 20% speed though. I'll keep this in the back of my mind, but it's not what I'm after at the moment.

[jimmer]

I'd like either a) 1080high crisp  or.......

a) GM forces -filter on when fractional stretching is applied. All you need to do is forcing -filter off, but you can't do this from mame.ini as the SwitchRes patch has higher priority. Either use a game specific ini file or the vertical.ini file for that.

Got this working by the vertical.ini method.

[Calamity]

Got this working by the vertical.ini method.

The idea was to get it working without that (method B)

In other words: I need no special setup to achieve that in my system. It's the default behaviour.

[ZeroPoint]

Well I got this working straight off. On my desktop PC video card combo it runs at 20% speed though. I'll keep this in the back of my mind, but it's not what I'm after at the moment.

Yes. HLSL needs some GPU-power. (Nice to see you reached your goal on integer scaling.)

If you want, you can try to lower the hlsl_prescale_x and hlsl_prescale_y in galaxian.ini to 2 or 0 (auto).

Not sure it will help you much because I can run a prescale value of 10 at 100% speed on my six year old computer.

And about the resolution: I found that SwitchRes does a good job selecting this, so it should be no problem using 1080 and 1024 lines also. Just change the resolution to "auto" and aspect ratio to whatever works best.

[jimmer]

The idea was to get it working without that (method B)

In other words: I need no special setup to achieve that in my system. It's the default behaviour.

I'm working on it

I've managed to compile groovymame0148u2 now.

Using your ume.ini  renamed to mame.ini :

This gives me x4 integer scaling on my arcade rig  (dell 745 / 1920x1080).    But it's fuzzy. 

If I copy it and name it vertical.ini  I'm back to crisp but full screen (even after putting in lcd_range 49-61).

I'll check everything and try again from scratch, then post a log if I can't work it out.


Note: these are the only differences I could see in the ini file to what I was using already. Is that the integer scaling bit? or is that just coincidence (the 4)
#
# VECTOR POST-PROCESSING OPTIONS
#
vector_time_scale         0.0
vector_time_period        0.1
vector_length_scale       0.9
vector_length_ratio       4.0

[Calamity]

I've managed to compile groovymame0148u2 now.

May I ask why are you compiling your own binaries? Maybe something you need to add?

This gives me x4 integer scaling on my arcade rig  (dell 745 / 1920x1080).    But it's fuzzy. 

It shouldn't be fuzzy. Maybe it's related to the Intel drivers. ATI drivers won't produce a fuzzy picture when integer scaling is used. Please post a log with the exact situation so I can see if we're missing something.

If I copy it and name it vertical.ini  I'm back to crisp but full screen (even after putting in lcd_range 49-61).

Oops, you can't do that. In vertical.ini you must only add the options you want to modify. If you place the whole set of options then GM won't be able to adjust the configuration properly.