3D Projectors

[Xiaou2]

If you watch a 13" tv, a 60" tv, LED, LCD, Plasma, projector, 3d, 2d... etc etc. After a few minutes, the novelty is lost and your vision narrows to whatever it is you are looking at.

3d does nothing for me but give me a headache after a few minutes. And it really doesn't help save a crappy story (AVATAR - a horrible mishmash of Fern Gully, Halo, Dances with Wolves, Pocahontas...)

 Ed, its certainly NOT like this for everyone, I can assure you of this.

 The 3d  DID in fact save Avatar for me.    It wasnt ok as it was.. but a bit rough around the edges.  Certainly seen much worse stories.   And yeah... anything can be claimed to be part this and part that.  When your working off a base of millions of creative works already existing... spanning thousands of years, from beyond the Egyptians...   what do you expect?

[Malenko]

X2 I have some sage advice for you. Now it comes from a rather less than reputable source but in this case its pretty accurate and I think *MAYBE* you might listen to the guy:

its certainly NOT like this for everyone

[ChadTower]

A movie includes the dimension of time.

Yeah and what does that have to do with X2 not knowing there is a 4th dimension?

stop being a Debbie downer.

There isn't anything even slightly Debbie Downer about what I said.  Try to stay civil.  This has been a decent conversation.

[RandyT]

I know what Steroscopic 3d  and  Volumetric  3d  means.

Not sure you do.  Volumetric displays "see" and can reproduce a solid object's reflected or generated light, from any angle visible to the optics, based on the position of the viewer.  Two individuals standing in front of the display are presented with two different views, based on their position in relation to the object.

Do you call your Stereo speakers,  "3d audio illusion devices" ?   Or  "2.5d Audio"  ?   As true volumetric sound cant exist from two speakers... even if it seems like it.

Not sure how stereo can be considered "3D" at all.  But technically, it is close to 2.5D.  It can be heard at different elevations (though not controlled) and can pan left and right.  The Z-axis would be the change in volume.

In a Stereoscopic film, you have x,y, & z.   You can tell the distances of objects.   But more so.. you actually see more of the actual object in this format.

I have a CNC router.  It has X, Y and Z control.  It is considered 2.5D machining.

Rurthermore.. its not like a bunch of paper cut outs..  all in various depths.   If your looking at a curved Jar from two different perspectives ..  you realize that you are also getting that surface of the jar to be presented in 3d space / depth, in a volumetric manor.

Except for the fact that a lot of the 3D content is not shot in 3D, but is converted because it's easier and costs less.  Also, your physical position relative to the object matters when your brain has to merge this data.  When presented on a flat screen, from an incorrect perspective, the entire situation is presented to your brain out of context.  It becomes a jumbled mess which your brain tries very hard to reconcile.  This is why it is an illusion, as it tricks your brain into processing information in a very unnatural way.  I'd go as far as to state that I have concerns about exposing young children in their formative years to too much of this stuff.  Not only because it could lead to building abnormal synaptic pathways, but their eyes are closer together than an adults, which could cause divergence and severe eyestrain with some content.

If you want to see the power of your brain to reconcile what it sees, watch a 2D trailer for your favorite 3D movie, with only your dominant eye.  After about 10 seconds, it'll look 3D.  This is because the thing which tells your brain that you are looking at a flat plane (your second eye) is removed from the equation, and your brain goes into overdrive to compensate.  It will also work with a static image.  Watch an entire 2+ hour film this way, and see how your head feels afterward.

Finally...  Even Stereocopic HMD's are static 3d images, piped in accordance with your tracking hardware.  Its also an Illusion.   And its also a pair of glasses.  Even worse so.

They are exponentially better, just by virtue of being able to dynamically generate content within the context of the individual.  With calibration and tracking, it is possible to create very natural effect, not possible by other means.
 

[Malenko]

There isn't anything even slightly Debbie Downer about what I said.  Try to stay civil.  This has been a decent conversation.

No it hasn't. Its been incoherent walls of texts and an attempt to educate that person in vain.  For a prime example, look at Randy's post above this one.

[ChadTower]

There isn't anything even slightly Debbie Downer about what I said.  Try to stay civil.  This has been a decent conversation.

No it hasn't. Its been incoherent walls of texts and an attempt to educate that person in vain.  For a prime example, look at Randy's post above this one.

Okay, let's lower the bar. 

This conversation was in English.

[lamprey]

Although, not quite what we would consider a (front) projector. I came across this video of a tech demo of a glassless projector:



Kinda cool, but not sure how practical it is considering the front projectors are what people are using in order to have a large screen. But, I'm sure someone will find a way.

[Xiaou2]

Not sure you do.  Volumetric displays "see" and can reproduce a solid object's reflected or generated light, from any angle visible to the optics, based on the position of the viewer.  Two individuals standing in front of the display are presented with two different views, based on their position in relation to the object.

 If there isnt actual depth the to light projection.. its not volumetric, and most of the time.. not even in 3d.   Its a set of various images of a flat plane. (lenticular style.. and or tracked lenticular)

 If your talking something like a spinning loop of LEDs, with an additional set of diagonal cross beams that are also Led lit..  then you can create an actual volumetric picture.   I believe another means some have used..  is a spinning offset disc, and projecting the images onto the disc at various points in its revolution.. for different depths.

 The problem is that these displays are impractical scaled up.   And the images are very limited.  Mostly, they are a novelty.

 The Lenticular and spinning media displays will never create an optimal format for stereocopic film.   The effect just cant even come close to a full sized screen projection with glasses.



    In a Stereoscopic film, you have x,y, & z.   You can tell the distances of objects.   But more so.. you actually see more of the actual object in this format.

I have a CNC router.  It has X, Y and Z control.  It is considered 2.5D machining.

You can call it whatever you want... even if thats not the accepted terminology.   I could care less really.  I find it amusing that you do insist however.   OCD?   How about you start a campaign to change all the titles to:  2.5d

    Furthermore.. its not like a bunch of paper cut outs..  all in various depths.   If your looking at a curved Jar from two different perspectives ..  you realize that you are also getting that surface of the jar to be presented in 3d space / depth, in a volumetric manor.


Except for the fact that a lot of the 3D content is not shot in 3D, but is converted because it's easier and costs less. 

 Doesnt matter.  The conversion takes the images as seen, and is able to generate both perspectives, giving both viewpoints.  Dont ask me how it does it so well...  but I can tell you that the 3d Predator flick was Flawless.  You would never know it wasnt shot with stereo cameras.  Earlier attempts were horrendous..  but they have improved the process to a state of shear perfection.

Also, your physical position relative to the object matters when your brain has to merge this data.  When presented on a flat screen, from an incorrect perspective, the entire situation is presented to your brain out of context.  It becomes a jumbled mess which your brain tries very hard to reconcile.  This is why it is an illusion, as it tricks your brain into processing information in a very unnatural way.  I'd go as far as to state that I have concerns about exposing young children in their formative years to too much of this stuff.  Not only because it could lead to building abnormal synaptic pathways, but their eyes are closer together than an adults, which could cause divergence and severe eyestrain with some content.

If you want to see the power of your brain to reconcile what it sees, watch a 2D trailer for your favorite 3D movie, with only your dominant eye.  After about 10 seconds, it'll look 3D.  This is because the thing which tells your brain that you are looking at a flat plane (your second eye) is removed from the equation, and your brain goes into overdrive to compensate.  It will also work with a static image.  Watch an entire 2+ hour film this way, and see how your head feels afterward.

 Ive always sat in the middle, pretty much..  but very rarely had any issues with images not looking right.  Its a value point..  but seemingly not much of an issue... and well worth the ride.  As of yet, Ive never gotten a headache, nor any kind of strain, from a 3d film.

 As for the children issue... couldnt tell you.   Its probably as bad as people whom cross their eyes.  IE: not as issue.  If they get headaches, they probably wont even want to watch them.   My buddies children had no such complaints.. and loved it.   One of the more critical ones, pointing out moments she thought was not 3d...  due to certain shots being shallower than others.

 As for the growing brain... the more challenges you give it, tends to make it stronger.  Which as far as Ive seen, is why children learning two languages, seems to have an edge over those whom do not.  Similarly, Chinese is much more complicated a languages... with a very complex written character set.   Children in China, Japan..etc..  are often far more advanced than students in a country like USA.  Not talking about individuals.. but rather, in general mass comparison.

 The brain also maintains adaptability well late in life... with people able to learn to use their feet to eat & draw... when they lose their arms..   Able to connect to artificial limbs and devices,  and make them move.   Able to continue to learn and develop...

 Its far more damaging to expose children to the Propaganda thats on the TV, new movies, radio, and news... than a visual stimulation.  And or to abuse and or neglect them.

 
 As for your little 2d experiment..  it doesnt work for me... nor would I want to keep one eye closed for a film..  nor block one ear.   You can tell depth by relative distances of objects as well as if there is motion to show the differences in speeds of passing objects.   But its not on the same level of effectiveness.  There are also limitations... such as when you are not moving... and or to do some tasks involving distances.  In these cases, you find out very quickly the level of losses of that missing information.

They are exponentially better, just by virtue of being able to dynamically generate content within the context of the individual.  With calibration and tracking, it is possible to create very natural effect, not possible by other means.

 But, a movie isnt filmed in every persepctive possible..   so you will be limited to realtime content / games.

 Movies will still be far better in Stereoscopic 3d, for many years to come.

 4k 3d... is probably next up..    so those 1080p  Rift glasses will pale in comparison.   Though, Im not dissing HMD tech, as Id be happy to try one out.. being the 3d buff I am.  I just know their limits, especially in the current technology & economic state.


 Finally.. that tech demo was useless garbage.


 I do have to say, Im surprised to see there is a possibility to capture mega amounts of light data..  as seen in the
Lytro  camera.   After the shot, you can change the focus.. because it captures from 11 million light rays.. upwards of 40million.. in the newer models.   Will be interesting to see 3d stereoscopic versions...

[Malenko]

Tl; dr

[pbj]

Would it be possible for a 3D projection to retain so much chi that it could do the dim mak?

[Xiaou2]

Would it be possible for a 3D projection to retain so much chi that it could do the dim mak?

 Ask Mal.  He has the Cheese you are looking for.


 Seriously though..  Chi is a simplified term for complex biological and physical things that were beyond explanation of the time...  and or Short-Form,  for certain long winded descriptions and explanations.   Mal would appreciate that!  As text walls are the bane of his existence.


 IE:  If you had conditioned yourself very well, able to take a very hard hit... they might say,  "He has good Chi".  Rather than.. his tissue and bone density, is excellent.


 Dim Mak, is the ability to hit with whole body power, with release of full mass, at a fraction of second time unit. 

 Most often causing the non-compressible blood, to burst through its containing vessels... causing internal bleeding.   Easy knock outs.  And in conjunction with specific points of the internal anatomy,  cause bloodflow issues such as severe inflammation - thus swelling and clots.  Its the highest level of striking technology ever invented... lethal in even the hands of a lightweight woman.

 Its my speculation that people had seen elder masters be provoked..  and then what appeared to them as the master 'touching'  the Op...  with the op either immediately passing away.. or passing away a short while later..  becoming what people refer to as the "Death Touch".

 However, it wasnt a touch.  It was a finger strike to a critical area... with Fajin (explosive power / dim mak) release.

 The finger being of less surface area, allows deeper penetration into the body/organs..  able to deliver more power into a smaller area - without heavy surface dissipation losses.   

 Of course, the tech doesnt just have to be applied with a finger.  About 2yrs ago, a Krav Maga guy tried to punch me in the Gut with full force, full speed... A simple and very limited "tap" from my arm, nearly broke his wrists...causing him great pains.. and his wrist joint swelling up nearly twice its size by the next day.   Guy went from.. "rolling eyes" at the inquiry of him seeing a Kungfu demo..   to full on excitement, disbelief,  shaking my hand, and showering me in complements, with deep respect.


 Stuff sounds crazy, and most people will never believe such a thing exists, (let alone me able to do it    ).   Which has made it the best kept secret of the Chinese arts.    Yet, its secrets have been realized to many in more recent years, due to various teachers and with the aid of the internet.  Its no longer a rarity, about to become forgotten knowledge, that it once was.

[pbj]

Do you have any fight videos online?

[Xiaou2]

Back when I was doing it hardcore, video cams were a kinda rare.. very expensive, and horrid video quality to boot.

 I was filmed by a Jujitsu school... Knocking their top students out, due to their disrespectful attitudes..   However, its doubtful that the teacher would ever release them.   heh

 My goal was to learn to protect myself, and my loved ones.. not to beat people up.. nor win trophies to pad an ego.
So often, Id hit very lightly, and stop-kicks barely connecting.  IE:  Target practice.   The problem with this, is that it doesnt always stop a serious artists.. especially if hes much larger and stronger than you.

 I used to spar a guy about twice my mass frequently.  I was barely 150# at 6'.  You could see all of my ribs.  You could fit 2 or 3 of my limbs into one of his.   heh    So when he would enter... Id tap him, stop kick..etc.. but because I didnt KO... he would grab me and drive me into the ground... repeatedly.   Which I didnt mind so much... because I knew Id really won.   But it was a little annoying.  Id tell him that the punch would have KO'd..  and the kick would have dropped him.   He laughed.. and kept doing the same.

 One day, he told me  "Steve..  Wing Chun sucks.  And so do you."   as he walked away from our session.

 At that time, my blood started to boil.  I decided to give him a small taste of what I could output, next time we sparred.

 So there we are.. renting a small space out for sparring in a local indoor sports arena.   Me, him, and another artists friend.   We get in position.  Friend says  "Fight!"   Im in a rear weighted stance, with my lead barely touching the ground... ready at the blink of an eye, for motion.   He takes a good step in towards me, starting a punch motion.  As his lead foot goes flat to the floor..   I use my weightless lead leg to stomp kick his knee cap... which at this point.. holds all of his weight.

 Id only dropped about 15% power maximum into it,  as I didnt want to cripple him.   But that was far too much...  as he, the proud owner of a room full of 1st place trophies in full contact bouts,  went down like a sack of potatoes.

 The round was over, in less than 2 seconds.   He lay there crying in tears... and of course, I felt horrible, and regretted what Id done immediately.   He rolled back and forth, crying for about 6min solid... before being helped up to hobble away.    Id later find out, it took him a full month to recover fully from that kick.

 Funny enough...  one day I was mentioning how Id mastered inch power... and that even I was scared of my output capability.  He immediately went into hard head mode.. and wanted to challenge me over it.  After numberous persistent egging..  I finally got ticked off.   I told him that if he wanted to try his luck against it, he fill out his last Will, say goodbye to his wife and children, sign a waiver,  and call an ambulance right before the event.   He quieted down quickly, and decided against it.   I never would have went through with it mind you... but thats just how stubborn he was.

 That event kind of changed things for me.  I didnt want to portray myself as being of poor skill.  On the other hand, I also didnt want to go around crippling people, or worse.  So, from then on, I rarely sparred, unless it was someone close, and or with students.  Nothing public.

 Many of these guys just dont understand the difference in technique and training methods.   I used to stomp kick trees, concrete parking lot posts, and steel poles..   at full power, full speed.. with flat hard bottom dress shoes... for about 30 min each leg... often.   I did the same to a local concrete wall, hitting with a flat foot.   The foot stings with burning pain each impact.  But eventually, impact force multiplies by magnitudes.

 Because too many artists have get too amped and reckless... thinking sparring is a fight..  then trying to turn sparring into a real fight...  you have to be very careful whom you play with.  Not that Im fearful of taking a hit / beating ... as Im well conditioned...   but more fearful of hurting them seriously... due to their lack of self control and thus dangerous level of power & fully harmful intended commitment.

 Even my simple demo, where I used my single hand against the Krav Maga guys two hands,  almost put the kid in the ER, from a tiny tap.   I apologized..  but fact is, he tried to use full power, full speed..  and ran right into the tech..  effectively amplifying its power by magnitudes... thus damaging himself.

 So, the best I could do now... is put up some training vids and examples.   Which I may do at a later time.  I believe I may write a book as well... or make a video series.

 I may get some local MMA guys to 'compare'  their responses on video..  to show the differences and weaknesses of Sport -vs- reality.

 As wearing a 6" diameter pillow on each hand.. is far from reality.   So is thinking your can roll around the floor for 10min..   as in real life, someone is going to come out of nowhere, and stab, kick, punch..etc..  you, while your down there trying to get the lock/choke.

[Malenko]

Say what you want about him, but I am ---smurfing--- impressed.












































PBJ got the OP to derail his own thread. That's talent!

[pbj]

I've watched a couple martial arts tournaments and I think the whole thing is hampered by the fact that nobody really wants to hurt each other.  They all agree to certain equipment, allowed moves, and they all walk away at the end of it (barring freak accidents).  I mean, I can get behind we're here to show our mastery of glorified dancing, but what's the ultimate purpose?  Be interesting to see some actual skilled fighting without a referee blowing a whistle every 10 seconds.  The MMA fad completely eludes me as well.

 

[lilshawn]

Say what you want about him, but I am ---smurfing--- impressed.

uh oh.



also: didn't we cover the "1 inch" fighting thing in another thread??...yeah i'm pretty sure we did.

I've watched a couple martial arts tournaments and I think the whole thing is hampered by the fact that nobody really wants to hurt each other.  They all agree to certain equipment, allowed moves, and they all walk away at the end of it (barring freak accidents).  I mean, I can get behind we're here to show our mastery of glorified dancing, but what's the ultimate purpose?  Be interesting to see some actual skilled fighting without a referee blowing a whistle every 10 seconds.  The MMA fad completely eludes me as well.

 

(POSSIBLY NSFW (if you work in one of "those" places))

[ChadTower]

I've watched a couple martial arts tournaments and I think the whole thing is hampered by the fact that nobody really wants to hurt each other.  They all agree to certain equipment, allowed moves, and they all walk away at the end of it (barring freak accidents).  I mean, I can get behind we're here to show our mastery of glorified dancing, but what's the ultimate purpose?  Be interesting to see some actual skilled fighting without a referee blowing a whistle every 10 seconds.  The MMA fad completely eludes me as well.

 

Really, that's the difference between sport and real life.  Any sport has rules to protect people.  The NFL adds new rules every year.  If you took away all those rules nobody would walk away from the first quarter of an NFL game.  Same with martial arts tournaments and especially MMA.  There are reasons why there are maybe 4 disciplines that dominate MMA and it isn't because they are the most effective.  It's because they fit the MMA ruleset best.  You can't succeed in an MMA context using a fighting art based on soft tissue strikes because they are against the rules.  Seeing as how most older fighting arts were developed for real fighting against trained soldiers you can't use them full out and have everyone come out uninjured.

[yotsuya]

One day, he told me  "Steve..  Wing Chun sucks.  And so do you."   as he walked away from our session.

---fudgesicle--- that dude. Wang Chung was awesome. I hope you kicked his ass while humming "Everybody Have Fun Tonight". 

[lilshawn]

da na na na... everybody get punched tonight....

[pbj]

You know, I've discussed it with someone that literally wrote a textbook on brain injury.  He says football is more dangerous than boxing.  Some of it is the constant jostling and some of it is nobody examines a player after a game unless they start acting like Troy aikman.
 

[Xiaou2]

PBJ got the OP to derail his own thread. That's talent!

 Uhh.. no.  Unlike you, Im not anal about whats said in a forum.   When you have a conversation in real life, do you pipe up and say  "Stay on topic!"      Conversation goes wherever it may, and thats fine.   Its really not MY thread either.  I cant police it.  Cant tell people what and what not to post.  I cant even ban people from it.   I can only ignore people, if I so chose...   But people still can post anyways.. and others will reply & quote.   But IMO, I just dont care.  Its called freedom of speech.   If I cared about a pristine thread all of my own... Id make my own website / blog..   

 I think you place WAY too much value in things that have no real value at all.   I think you need to re-evaluate what life is all about...  and where you SHOULD be putting you time, energy, and value.

I've watched a couple martial arts tournaments and I think the whole thing is hampered by the fact that nobody really wants to hurt each other.  They all agree to certain equipment, allowed moves, and they all walk away at the end of it (barring freak accidents).  I mean, I can get behind we're here to show our mastery of glorified dancing, but what's the ultimate purpose?  Be interesting to see some actual skilled fighting without a referee blowing a whistle every 10 seconds.  The MMA fad completely eludes me as well.

 

 As Chad said.

 To add a little to that... 

 The real arts were developed to protect ones life, from invading attackers, and even to fend off wild animals.  (such as use of spears, swords... )     The arts really came to life, when an monk came to Shaolin in China.. and saw that the other monks were weak and feeble.. from praying all day, but no exercise.   He shared and developed an exercise routine, and helped created a combat system as well...  probably due to the many thieves and bandit gangs, whom stole precious artworks and religious artifacts.    As the years passed on... it would become a martial arts 'factory'.  Where Monks would train non stop, and developed some of the most deadly skills,  as well as acrobatics, healing lineaments, and much more.    These spread outside of Shaolin, probably several times when it was attacked by various leaders of power.   This would later help to form countless styles, all over China...  Of which most share common principles and techniques.   In fact, Karate actually came from some Japanese travelers passing by.. seeing monks practicing.  They learned some very basics of hard style kung fu...  and took that back to Japan.   Originally called Chi-Hand  or  China Hand..  they changed it to Empty Hand, which is the translation of Karate.


 Back then, the Arts  were a way of life.   But after a few leaders banned the arts for spans of 50 to 100yrs..  as well as the industrial revolution happening..  the arts almost vanished completely.   Many of the greatest schools and masters.. were killed in mass soldier raids.  Many went into hiding..  some practicing in secret... to private students.. in the late hours of the night.

 Wing Chun was one such art..  Created over 300yrs ago, by some of the top minds and masters of the arts.  It was designed to be a killing art, used by rebels, to take out the current govt. leadership.   Unlike many Chinese systems, WC didnt have 20yrs to create fighters.  So it cut out a lot of material... and reduced it to the most important and effective techniques.   It was made to be learned and mastered in 3 to 5yrs, depending on the practitioner, & the kind of teaching.  (These days, it would take you 10 to 20yrs in most schools...  due to the material being spread out way too thin, less intensity, less quality, ... and merely to make the Sifu more money)

 It was also known, that a bunch of young rebels would not easily best warriors that had 20+ yrs of experience.. and were larger & much stronger.   Not only that.. but the fact stands.. that there is always someone stronger and or faster than you... so then what do you do?    Because of this, WC uses techniques based on leverage and position.. and does not require great strength, nor even blinding speed, to attain victory.

 After years of study, Ive come to see that it contains knowledge from the Internal systems, such as Tai Chi, Bagua, Xingyi...etc.  Sadly, many western teachers of WC, do not know this... and kind of have made it more of a hard style karate-like system.   This fails easily, when the Op is larger and stronger than you...  whereas the internal way of WC, can easily handle much larger and stronger ops with little trouble.

 WC rebels put up a good fight, but due to the shear numbers of the troops they were up against..  eventually they had to return back into hiding.  The art was kept alive in underground training in private classes... only to fully become public in recent years, by Ip Man.   Bruce Lee took Ip Mans classes...  before being shipped to usa, due to a fight with a kid of a Triad gang.

 
 So, as the need for martial arts dwindled... so often did the quality.   Even so much as 120 yrs ago... the arts were far different than those much deeper in history.  Each year, degrading further.  Some systems being lost due to low number of dedicated students to continue them.

 Then came the Sport fighting...   The thing that would degrade all combat arts into near oblivion.

 Its my speculation, these Tournaments were created on purpose... to make sure that the general masses were no longer capable of real combat effectivity.    As once rules like  "You cant hit the head",  or  "Kick below the belt"... as well as the point-taps... vs... a real solid hit,   then the arts changed to suit the Comps... and lost all the hardcore abilities.

 That.. and because most people dont want to stand there and punch a sand bag till their skin is ripped off their hands... or Kick a wooden posts for 1hr spans, at full power, full speed.

 
 I believe the 'kings of power',  have realized that they cant shut down the drive for certain people to practice hard-core arts...  and so this time, they have decided to use the grappling tactic, as a ruse.   The grapplers chose very poor standup fighters, many of which were sport based in nature...  and easily feinted them, taking them down... and posting the results on video.   Yet, when well known hardcore fighters asked for a bout.. they politely declined.

 They started UFC, to capitalize on this... because people believe everything they see on TV media.  Its hilarious, and sad, at the same time.  They put a bunch of horrible 'fighters' into a ring, up against a bunch of highly skilled grapplers... in a grappler slanted event.   Easy to know what would happen..   and equally easy to see a bunch of new fanboys born into this, thinking that this was the best 'real' combat available.   Far superior to the OLD arts?   Not even close   

 The problem with the good traditional arts.. is time & work.  Nobody wants to put in the required time and work.  They will do the stuff in class... 3 days a week... maybe...    and even then, are not stressing that hard, with low intensity.  They get cocky, because they are good at drills... and know the material...  but they have never mastered any of it.  Most especially, the very basics.  So it all falls apart, in high speed, heavy force, combat...

 The problem with MMA, is that they stick to a few certain sport based arts, and train these even worse than the watered down equivalent.   They place most all the emphasis on grappling..  due to the rules and ring play advantages..  but are tying to learn too many things too quickly... and are good at none of it.   Their foundations are often even worse than the former... but at least they are in better shape, and semi-conditioned.   Yet when confronted by more than one attacker...  they would almost never survive that situation.   As their hobbled together sport art.. just isnt suited to it.   Let alone, they punch anyone barefist, without taped wrists.  Most of them would break their wrists and fingers on the first hit.

 
 As for the Way many of these people fight in a tournament..  its completely different than in a real situation.   So PBJ, you are correct.    In a real fight... the person isnt going to hunt and peck at a distance.  Hes charging at you with reckless abandon... and hes not fearful of taking a hit.   He's so blinded with rage, he doenst care about being careful. He wont hit once or twice than back off.  He will keep hammering you, until you look like roadkill.   Most sport fighters cant deal with anything like that.  They dont really train for it.

 And the gear itself..  its a HUGE factor in how things pan out.   Even the MMA gloves are quite thick.. and the padding is high density foam, that absorbs a LOT of the impact force.  This mostly leaves push force as the only means for a smaller Op... because their normal hits are no longer sharp enough with the gloves on.  Take the gloves off... and that same 140lb guy, with KO the biggest and best of them.

 The diameter of the gloves, is a big factor too.   At about 7" in diameter,  times 2...  and you realize just how much more protection you have with them on.  You can form a two handed shield for goodness sake.  lol     It slows down your strikes, makes them easier too see & intercept,  makes it harder to slip through defensive holes... due to the volume of space they take up...  and since your moving slower, and being cushion slowed.. it makes it all the more easy for a person to grab onto you...

   Especially when they dont have to worry about close range kill strikes...   Eye pokes, ribcage grabs, nerve strikes, and groin attacks (you wont see the 69 happen in real life combat!  But you will see it often in MMA bouts  >.<  )

 They also dont have to worry about the environment.  For example... broken glass on the ground, hard pavement and rocks to fall and or roll over / on.   Uneven ground,  getting bashed into a sidewalk edge,  kicked in the face,  and or having a knife come out on you...


 So yeah...  sport play is ok.. if thats your game.   But if you want to protect your life without padded gloves, a ref., taped wrists, etc..   you are better off seeking a school that teaches actual combat.   These schools usually do not participate in sport competitions.   Some of the best, are probably going to be 'closed door'  teachers...Being taught in private, or small private groups...   Because the motivation isnt about mere money, with small private classes.  Its about the love of the art, love of teaching and passing the material down to a good student..  having them develop real workable combat skills in a timely manor.

da na na na... everybody get punched tonight....

   Love it!   

[Malenko]

Its time for X2 translations, powered by Malenkosoft®

In addition to not knowing how to carry a conversation in on a forum, I dont know how to carry one in real life either. I also dont know that when a person starts a thread its considered theirs in the sense they started it, not that they own the actual thread. You should put your time , energy, and value into writing super long posts on forums about Ki. I agree with Chad, its the only way I know of to make him look worse than he already does.

I shall now make up some really convoluted story about Shaolin Temples with literally no citation or backing by facts (my Google is broke). I saw it in a movie and the Wu Tang raps about it, it must be true.  I have no idea what Red Turban Rebellion was or what the Ming Dynasty was all about it. I'll now regale you with a tale about Wing Chun thats maybe 30% accurate if you round up.  Now, as a well known conspiracy theorist , I must stress how MMA and the UFC was created NOT to make money and appeal to people who want to watch violence, but to degrade martial arts. I will completely gloss over the fact many fighter practice their arts just like a job, because its what they do for a living. Instead I'll pigeon hole all of them baselessly and just assume I'm right, as always.  Also, I think they should allow kill shots and knives in the octagon. I would teach martial arts for free because when you do they don't charge you rent for a dojo. That is, I'd do it if I didn't have brittle bone disease.

[ChadTower]

Sounds like Malenko needs a fully three dimensional demonstration of a "kick below the belt".

[Malenko]

Sounds like Malenko needs a fully three dimensional demonstration of a "kick below the belt".

I cant wear my piss stained semi pro football gear like you, but I suppose if its a regular kick and not a Shoalin testicle toe stab I'll be ok.

[eds1275]

MY EYES HURT FROM ROLLING

[Vigo]

I cant wear my piss stained semi pro football gear like you, but I suppose if its a regular kick and not a Shoalin testicle toe stab I'll be ok.

You know, if you rammed your nuts into concrete parking lot posts and steel poles at full power, full speed, for 30 minutes for each ball every day. You probably wouldn't notice any pain when receiving a shaolin testicle toe stab.

[PL1]

Kick me in the jimmy

. . . and the ever popular . . .



You gotta love Butthead's wrong-way 360 degree sidekick.


Scott

[ChadTower]

It's awesome how quickly Malenko's behavior degenerates the second pbj begins trolling.  It's like Malenko lives for those moments.  Sometimes it's so immediate that it makes me question who pbj is really trolling...   

[Malenko]

It's awesome how quickly Malenko's behavior degenerates the second pbj begins trolling.  It's like Malenko lives for those moments.  Sometimes it's so immediate that it makes me question who pbj is really trolling...   

You must be too busy replacing 72 pin connectors to pay attention, its cool. Much like peanut butter and jammy (not a typo) Im just trolling X2 and you, but mostly him because you get butt hurt too much.

[ChadTower]

I seem to be quite nonbutthurty given how butthurt I must be.  This is confusing.  Are you sure about how butthurt I am? 

[Xiaou2]

It's awesome how quickly Malenko's behavior degenerates the second pbj begins trolling.  It's like Malenko lives for those moments.  Sometimes it's so immediate that it makes me question who pbj is really trolling...   
[/quote]


 


 Funny as this has been getting.. I do actually feel sympathy for Mal.   For Mal lives in another universe, created by himeself.  Partially due to chemical imabalances, and brain timing issues.

 If a car has 4 spark plugs..  its needs to time them fairly precise, to make use of that energy.  But what if there those 4 plugs fired over 8 times as often.. without the alignment being correctly timed?    You would be wasting a ton of energy and heat.. and not really accomplishing anything.

 People with this kind of issue, do actually think faster than the average bear.    A delay of 2 seconds in a verbal response.. is like 10 min  to them.   So they will cut you off before you can even formulate a response..  and in the process... they have incorrectly assumed about 30 different scenario's.  Narrowed it down to what they believe is most likely.. and go full throttle on an extreme response to match.
 
 I know this behavior ohh too well, considering it runs deep on my fathers side of the family.   But along the way, Ive seen it in many others... including a girl I dated for a short time.  Its scary, and sad.

 They believe that because they can predict simple things like TV shows.. that they are in fact Always right, and fully justified to attack, as if it were so.   As well as to make countless assumptions and try to set-up people with all kinds of psychological games to Test... because they cant Stand to "Not Know" the truth of the matter.

 Yet, the main focus is really on them.  Any little thing that bothers them... is like the most cataclysmic event possible.  Such as a simple mistake, turning into a 2hr screaming rant session.  And the idea that a single degree of temperature, was done Intentionally to cause massive damages to them on purpose.    I know you all wont believe this... but thats exactly what happened recently with my Uncle.  Going Bonkers, talking and swearing quite loudly to himself... over 1 degree of temperature.   Because to him, it didnt matter if it was 45 degrees in the spring... Due to the time of year.. the heat should not be on at all.   There is not logic, rhyme or reason.   Only patterns that likes, and has gotten stuck within.   Maybe Mel isnt fully at that level yet.. but its probably just a short matter of time.   No doubt, he cant stand post longer than 20 words... and turns into an attacking beast immediately.   Its pretty much textbook to this behavior.

 The condition?  Bi-polarism.   Of which he at least was able to admit to me... and is better than many of my own family members.. who remain completely clueless to their disease... and completely opposed to the facts, despite a branch of the family, being treated for it.

 It seems that Bi-Polarism often seems to carry other mental issues, such as OCD, Phobias, Irrational & Illogical thoughts and behaviors, as well as completely self destructive behaviors.. such as spending beyond their means, heavy drug and or alcohol abuse, and gambling..  Possibly even binge eating.

 They often can not comunicate civily with others face to face.  Instead, they may bottle things up..  and their things are completely lame to you and I...  but to them..  these things are like the equivalent of putting an assault rifle to their head...  but they will never see it, nor feel it, any other way.     So, they will blow up like a nuclear bomb out of nowhere.  Then 3hrs later, they might be smiling happily, as it nothing ever happened...  nothing mean was ever said.. and they want to be best buddies.  Praise you.. after they prejudged and disrespected you..  Shake your hand after they dissed you.  Etc.

 Many of these people seem fun and interesting when you dont know them on a deeper level.   Then you catch them in one of their Jeckle & Hyde  moments.. and HOLT CRAP!    The Girl I was seeing... started cursing at her Radio because of the commercials.  Making negative comment after negative comment about them... non stop.   This happened at every break.  Then I realize the depths of her insanity, lack of logic and reason, complete irrationality,  and lack of any real self control... as well as being completely self-absorbed.   Because to them... the entire world is against them... ruining their lives.

Only if you are a very shallow aquaintence, will they get along well with you... because once they know you on a personal level... they will judge you like the Supreme Court.   They will hold that judgement forever..  even if its completely wrong..   and will never forgive, apologize for their negativity when proven wrong,  as well as will hold any mistake you have made against you... always making sure to keep bringing it up over and over... every chance they get.

  As you can see...  I know this game all too well..   As sadly, Ive had to live in a house of Madness for far too long.  The abuses Ive had to endure as a result, are beyond  comprehension.

 But I guess at least I only have trace instances of these things, compared to them and others Ive met.  In this respect, I guess Im lucky.    Which is why I truly feel sympathy for my dear friend and enemy, Malenko.

[Xiaou2]

But regardless, I will respond to the insaniity:

Its time for X2 translations, powered by Malenkosoft®

 Maleksoft PCB is Broken.  Its full of bugs and static assumption stress cracks.  Its Ram is completely corrupt, and its Hard Drive is failing.   Please remove bad CPU, and replace with known working good CPU.

In addition to not knowing how to carry a conversation in on a forum, I dont know how to carry one in real life either. I also dont know that when a person starts a thread its considered theirs in the sense they started it, not that they own the actual thread. You should put your time , energy, and value into writing super long posts on forums about Ki. I agree with Chad, its the only way I know of to make him look worse than he already does.

 I really have to shake my head at this in utter amazement.  How anyone could even think of something to whacked out.. it beyond me.   I have a hard time even knowing where to begin..   as disecting this mere few sentences could literally take about 50 pages of deciphered lunacy.

 Which is my exactly the point.   You dont comprehend reality like the majority.  Not even 1% close.   We are talking something like the distance to Urauns..  rather than the Corner Cafe.

 Heres a thought... If you dont like to read a post, dont read a post.   Remarkable ehh?    Ohh, thats right... I post with great length and detail, because my goal in life is to burn you up inside.   Its my Only real Joy in life.. and Damnit, Im good at it!!!

 Ohh wait.. Id better tell you that was Sarcasm..  or you will show up with a note from your mother right?

 Maybe what you really need, is a change of Meds.

 I post as I please, with length and detail that match my passion, knowledge and experience.  While I may not reveal every Textbook answer to a TEE..  I put down the generalities.   Sadly, I dont have a photograhic memory like you.  In fact, my memory is very bad with short term stuff.   We all have our strengths and weaknesses.  I know you wont accept that... much like Howard.. who thinks Anyone can just learn and do programming.   Yup.. its ignorant.   But thats what kind of mindset a mentally Ill person has.  Its pretty much Black and White...  With very little range of in-betweens.

 But how could you of all people be wrong?!   Inconceivable.  Even for someone with a mental condition.  Because you believe, it makes you Smarter than others.  When in fact.. it actually detracts,  due to the constant negative output and reactions... and completely baseless and outright wrong assumptions.

 Heres one to check off your list:  I dont hate you.  And I dont really care about anything you post.  I find most of it sad and tradgic, with the occasional facepalm and chuckle.  But overall..  I just find it sad.. for you.   For me, nothing you say can really bother me much.  Ive taken abuse from people 1000x more screwed up than you... for all of my life.  Ive got the physical abuse side of it.. with scars on my back from the metal coat hangers on bare skin from age 5..  to the mental abuse and neglect.   And Ive done one heck of a job surviving that crap.   Trust me, nothing you can do or say, could EVER top what my mother, father, uncle or aunt, has done and said.

 This is where I now say:    If you have a problem, rotate on your Pole Position Shifter, until it goes away.

I shall now make up some really convoluted story about Shaolin Temples with literally no citation or backing by facts (my Google is broke). I saw it in a movie and the Wu Tang raps about it, it must be true.  I have no idea what Red Turban Rebellion was or what the Ming Dynasty was all about it. I'll now regale you with a tale about Wing Chun thats maybe 30% accurate if you round up.  Now, as a well known conspiracy theorist , I must stress how MMA and the UFC was created NOT to make money and appeal to people who want to watch violence, but to degrade martial arts. I will completely gloss over the fact many fighter practice their arts just like a job, because its what they do for a living. Instead I'll pigeon hole all of them baselessly and just assume I'm right, as always.  Also, I think they should allow kill shots and knives in the octagon. I would teach martial arts for free because when you do they don't charge you rent for a dojo. That is, I'd do it if I didn't have brittle bone disease.

As for the WC story.. Ive trained briefly under the lineage that claims it has ties to the history of its inception.
They didnt call it anything in relation to the Turban Rebellion.  Something like blah moon society.  Whatever.  I didnt care.
 
 Furthermore, there is a good deal of evidence that has been found.  But I just dont really care enough to dig and recite it.  Others are welcome to do so.   And anyone is free to believe whatever they wish.   But regardless of the Actual word for word details you so desire and cant live without...  Well, its easy for anyone to go and see the proven Historical Bans on martial arts over the course of China's history... as well as find information on rebel underground movements.   Theres no 30% in that at all.  Its 100% fact.

 Although, for the sake of my own feelings about the organization I recognized..  I wasnt impressed with the Elder form of WC.  Id go into a rant about it.. but Im not in the mood for it.

 
 As for the Degredation of the arts, Its pretty much documented history.  China, after abolising the arts for over 50yrs.. decided to let people do the arts again.  But this time, they made their Own form of art, and made it the national standard... called "Wushu".    Wushu being an acrobatic performance, with NONE of the applicable training aspects needed to actually Protect oneself.

 This has happened in the past with other arts, and is continuing to happen to this very date.  You can believe whatever your little Whacked out Pattern following mind forces you to.  But hey?   NO Conspiracies have EVER taken place in History or mankind...  Right?!          Yup.. Im the nutcase!     

 Btw - you do know your camera phone, laptop, and Kinnect, can all be turned on to watch you by big bruta right?   I, and many others have said it for years.   Its also came out, from people in the game.. they were monitoring the elder tech as well.. such as the old patch-cord phone swichboards.  Ive had people I know personally tell me about proofs of this, as well as the many others written, and even Admitted, in declassidied documents.

 But again.. Conspiracies dont exist.   Yes, I know, Im upsetting your My Little Pony fantasy land... where Unicorns poop rainbow skittles...   Ohh Glorious Unicorns, rain your Majesty into my open mouth...

 Is that going too far?

 A little exercise in Reality.   Fighters do not make the conspiracy.  They are the Grunts.  Much like the Soldiers, that take the bullets, or the experimental Vaccines...

 But our Govt. would NEVER do anything to harm its great Citizens !   Absurd!    Yet somehow Clinton was appointed to apologize for a project in which secretly dosed Thousands of Americans with Radiation, at a local hospital, for their entire lives...  to see what would happen.   Ruining their, and their families lives...  because they Could.   That Apology makes it all better now right?   Now go and take your Flu Shots & Mercury Packed Vaccinations everyone!   Whee...

 (Its no wonder why everyone is going "Mental")

[Malenko]

I'm not actually bi-polar, I was just using the joke "its not all bad it has its ups and downs" you are the one that took it to heart. Did you get your doctorate in Psychology from the school of Chad®? I cant really reply to any of your bi-polar rant, since it doesn't apply to me at all, sorry Bro Montana.  Sucks that you suffered abuse, I had a rough childhood too and can relate, but it does sound like you had it worse.

" If a car has 4 spark plugs..  its needs to time them fairly precise, to make use of that energy.  But what if there those 4 plugs fired over 8 times as often.. without the alignment being correctly timed?    You would be wasting a ton of energy and heat.. and not really accomplishing anything."

If your spark plugs fired 8 times faster than normal you would have engine knock, and at that rate you'd prolly ping or blow the motor. However you wouldn't adjust the alignment. An alignment is adjusting the angles of the wheels so that they are set to spec usually done after suspension modifications or new tires; in this instance you would want to adjust the timing / timing belt /timing gear. Citation: I worked at Chrysler's Newark Assembly Plant for almost a decade, though most of my time was spend in trim and bodyshop, not chassis/drive train.

I don't really have an issue with you, just poking fun that you cant seem to get your point across in a succinct manner. My translations were just truncating your posts while glossing over the points you made. They are hilariously accurate and the fact they are considerably smaller with all the same info just makes it funnier to me. Id love to make fun of your way off analogies, but they are funny enough on their own. Its like bringing a slingshot to a gun fight! Check the other areas of the forum if you think I'm negative, the results may actually surprise you.

If you have a problem, rotate on your Pole Position Shifter, until it goes away.

1 pole position fell off the truck
1 pole position was given away (along with all the extra wheels and shifters)
1 pole position was cut up with a circular saw

[ChadTower]

I just realized that all this time I have been hearing Xiaou2's posts in my head as narrated by the Ultimate Warrior.

Now I need to find someone to voice Malenko's posts.  I'm thinking maybe Sensational Sherri.

[Malenko]

I just realized that all this time I have been hearing Xiaou2's posts in my head as narrated by the Ultimate Warrior.

Now I need to find someone to voice Malenko's posts.  I'm thinking maybe Sensational Sherri.

Totally worth bumping this thread for that. Little uncouth to choose two deceased people. Kudos to you for admitting you have voices in your head. Admittance is the first step to getting better.

[ChadTower]

Totally worth bumping this thread for that. Little uncouth to choose two deceased people. Kudos to you for admitting you have voices in your head. Admittance is the first step to getting better.

You do realize there is a difference between referring to fictional characters and referring to the people who portrayed them?  Those two people were not really the Ultimate Warrior and Sensational Sherri...

[spoot]

I just realized that all this time I have been hearing Xiaou2's posts in my head as narrated by the Ultimate Warrior.

Holy crap........it all makes sense now.   

[Malenko]

Totally worth bumping this thread for that. Little uncouth to choose two deceased people. Kudos to you for admitting you have voices in your head. Admittance is the first step to getting better.

You do realize there is a difference between referring to fictional characters and referring to the people who portrayed them?  Those two people were not really the Ultimate Warrior and Sensational Sherri...

It is who they were known as, don't argue semantics. If I say the Macho Man Randy Savage died , you know who it was who died even if you don't know his real name was Randy Poffo. Doesnt make it any less ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up, and doesnt make the bump any less pointless.

[lilshawn]

Totally worth bumping this thread for that. Little uncouth to choose two deceased people. Kudos to you for admitting you have voices in your head. Admittance is the first step to getting better.

You do realize there is a difference between referring to fictional characters and referring to the people who portrayed them?  Those two people were not really the Ultimate Warrior and Sensational Sherri...

It is who they were known as, don't argue semantics. If I say the Macho Man Randy Savage died , you know who it was who died even if you don't know his real name was Randy Poffo. Doesnt make it any less ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up, and doesnt make the bump any less pointless.

James Hellwig and Sherri Russell are turning over in their respective graves.

[Malenko]

He did legally change his name to Warrior.