will this sony TV be able to display native 240p?

[rock145]

Hi, I trying to find a tv that will give 240p resolutions for an arcade built. I found a guy on craigslist that is selling a Sony KV-20FS100 will this tv able to display 240p resolutions with groovymame? I would like a reply so I don't make a mistake in buying it.

Thanks.

[Yeltsew7]

Yes, and as long as it has component input you can use it with MAME/GroovyMAME.  The only thing is that 20 inches only.

This is what I've learned from BYOAC. 

[rock145]

Yes, and as long as it has component input you can use it with MAME/GroovyMAME.  The only thing is that 20 inches only.

This is what I've learned from BYOAC. 

Thanks, I'll ask if it has component input will there be a big difference in using crt tv vs arcade monitor?

[Yeltsew7]

IF it has component YPbPr input it can produce images on par with arcade monitors.  I'm pretty sure it does.
If it DOES NOT have component input it can not properly show arcade resolutions from your computer.

I learned this all from Rob (rCadeGaming).  Talk to him about hooking it up. The TV FAQ is  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1288832.html#msg1288832 .  You might want to read through the whole thread.  There is a lot of good information in there, not just about TVs but also MAME in general.

[adder]

Thanks, I'll ask if it has component input will there be a big difference in using crt tv vs arcade monitor?

in the past i did a side by side test with a crt tv (using rgb via scart) and an arcade monitor (hantarex mtc9000) and did not notice any difference with regards to one looking more 'authentic' than the other. so much so that i got rid of the arcade monitor and stuck with crt tv's (because there are more of them around, often available for free (or if not, very cheap), and usually i find they are in better condition than arcade monitors)

a quote from andy at ultimarc:
...But there is one way we can use a TV very satisfactorily, which is going in via the RGB pins on a SCART connector (US readers look away at this point, SCART is a European standard!). This actually turns the TV into an arcade monitor because it by-passes all the signal-degrading PAL or NTSC decoder, We can even run native resolutions ...

(above quote taken from here:)
http://www.ultimarc.com/monfaq.html

note: you do get different generations of crt tv's;  you get the later digital ones with all service menu adjustments done via the service menu (the older crts often allow adjustments to the picture via adjustable pots on the chassis). the later generation crt's tvs often come with a flatter tube, where you dont lose the corners like you do on the older tubes/arcade monitors. these later generation crt tvs often dont allow as high scan rates/dont allow as many vertical lines to be displayed (beko is a good example.. i couldnt even get 240 lines on that tv). the earlier crts have a more rounded 'goldfish bowl' type picture tube (like you find on the old arcade monitors back in the day). i would say if u are quite fussy to try to find an earlier style crt tv as opposed to one of the later generation 'flat' models, personally i prefer the older style crt tvs, but everyone has their own opinion and i suppose it is no big deal really    in fact some of the very early arcade monitor tubes are so deep in the goldfish bowl effect they actually make me feel dizzy when playing a game (it is almost like 3d some people say)

[rock145]

IF it has component YPbPr input it can produce images on par with arcade monitors.  I'm pretty sure it does.
If it DOES NOT have component input it can not properly show arcade resolutions from your computer.

I learned this all from Rob (rCadeGaming).  Talk to him about hooking it up. The TV FAQ is  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1288832.html#msg1288832 .  You might want to read through the whole thread.  There is a lot of good information in there, not just about TVs but also MAME in general.

This makes me very happy because arcade monitors are hard to find and very expensive. That link is very informative the only thing that scares me is that maybe it wont be as flexible as an arcade monitor in producing custom resolutions.

[rock145]

Thanks, I'll ask if it has component input will there be a big difference in using crt tv vs arcade monitor?

in the past i did a side by side test with a crt tv (using rgb via scart) and an arcade monitor (hantarex mtc9000) and did not notice any difference with regards to one looking more 'authentic' than the other. so much so that i got rid of the arcade monitor and stuck with crt tv's (because there are more of them around, often available for free (or if not, very cheap), and usually i find they are in better condition than arcade monitors)

a quote from andy at ultimarc:
...But there is one way we can use a TV very satisfactorily, which is going in via the RGB pins on a SCART connector (US readers look away at this point, SCART is a European standard!). This actually turns the TV into an arcade monitor because it by-passes all the signal-degrading PAL or NTSC decoder, We can even run native resolutions ...

(above quote taken from here:)
http://www.ultimarc.com/monfaq.html

note: you do get different generations of crt tv's;  you get the later digital ones with all service menu adjustments done via the service menu (the older crts often allow adjustments to the picture via adjustable pots on the chassis). the later generation crt's tvs often come with a flatter tube, where you dont lose the corners like you do on the older tubes/arcade monitors. these later generation crt tvs often dont allow as high scan rates/dont allow as many vertical lines to be displayed (beko is a good example.. i couldnt even get 240 lines on that tv). the earlier crts have a more rounded 'goldfish bowl' type picture tube (like you find on the old arcade monitors back in the day). i would say if u are quite fussy to try to find an earlier style crt tv as opposed to one of the later generation 'flat' models, personally i prefer the older style crt tvs, but everyone has their own opinion and i suppose it is no big deal really    in fact some of the very early arcade monitor tubes are so deep in the goldfish bowl effect they actually make me feel dizzy when playing a game (it is almost like 3d some people say)

I would also prefer round tube but for 20 inch crt tvs mostly flat tubes have component input. I guess it would not matter if it was a pal tv but I need an ntsc tv.

[rCadeGaming]

Yeah, curved tubes with SCART inputs are a lot easier to find in PAL territories than curved tubes with component inputs in the US.

I actually prefer flat tubes for a lot of reasons, not to mention easier bezels, but the one typical problem most of them have is the way the lines in the bottom half of the screen tend to bend up in the middle of the screen.  It can be adjusted by repositioning the deflection yoke, but you have to be able to fix the convergence after that.

[rock145]

Finally got the tv. Now I want to buy a 4 port component switcher because this tv only has 1 component input. I want to connect via component
ps2,wii,groovymame and Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex TV. I found two but cannot decide some reviewers say the quality is bad and other say its good.

Dynex™ - Component Video Switch

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/dynex-component-video-switch/9239424.p?id=1218065984315&skuId=9239424

Monoprice 103027 4-Port Component Video Switch with IR Learning

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-103027-4-Port-Component-Learning/dp/B001TK9SEE

does someone have experience with these component input switches.

Will the the component switch work with TC1600 VGA to YPrPb Transcoder?

[rCadeGaming]

Given the fact that it is switchable by remote and the bad reviews, it's a digital switch box and could be doing some funky things.  I prefer these:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10106&cs_id=1010601&p_id=55&seq=1&format=2

I use those to run all my game consoles in RGB and run the output through the TC1600.  See my a/v setup in my signature.

[rock145]

Given the fact that it is switchable by remote and the bad reviews, it's a digital switch box and could be doing some funky things.  I prefer these:

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10106&cs_id=1010601&p_id=55&seq=1&format=2

I use those to run all my game consoles in RGB and run the output through the TC1600.  See my a/v setup in my signature.

Thanks. I google manual component switch box but could not find anything. So I guess most are digital. I like your setup but the switch is for vga inputs and I need component inputs for :ps2,wii,groovymame,tv box. The only way would be to buy what you suggested and add in components inputs but I am not good at that.

[rCadeGaming]

Did you take a look at the link in my sig?  You can run all those systems in RGB and use the VGA switch box without modification.  Run the output of the box through the TC1600.  It is a bit of work for custom cabling though.  Just a suggestion.

[rock145]

Did you take a look at the link in my sig?  You can run all those systems in RGB and use the VGA switch box without modification.  Run the output of the box through the TC1600.  It is a bit of work for custom cabling though.  Just a suggestion.

Finish reading your link in your sig. Its very informative but I am not that savvy  to understand most of it. What I got from it is that the vga input in the middle needs to be converted to component so it would work with TC1600. The others vga input don't need modification I would just need to convert the console component cables to vga. Something like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VGA-Monitor-PC-Display-HDTV-Cable-Lead-for-PlayStation-3-PS2-PS3-Nintendo-Wii-/390828616876?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item5aff336cac

[rCadeGaming]

What I got from it is that the vga input in the middle needs to be converted to component so it would work with TC1600.

No, that component output is an alternate output for component signals that I don't use.  Again, you would not need to modify the switch box, only the cabling.

Game system or PC -> custom VGA cable that includes audio -> Switch Box -> VGA cable with audio breakout -> video to TC1600, audio to TV/stereo/whatever

[rock145]

What I got from it is that the vga input in the middle needs to be converted to component so it would work with TC1600.

No, that component output is an alternate output for component signals that I don't use.  Again, you would not need to modify the switch box, only the cabling.

Game system or PC -> custom VGA cable that includes audio -> Switch Box -> VGA cable with audio breakout -> video to TC1600, audio to TV/stereo/whatever

Thanks for clearing things. Would this cable work with the Switch Box for wii and ps2?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VGA-Monitor-PC-Display-HDTV-Cable-Lead-for-PlayStation-3-PS2-PS3-Nintendo-Wii-/390828616876?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item5aff336cac

and would this work with tv media player

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3ft-VGA-to-HD-TV-Component-Adapter-Cable-For-Computer-/201082047760?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2ed16c8d10

[rCadeGaming]

The first cable for PS2/Wii, I can't guarantee without testing it myself, but yes, it might work.  Based on the resolutions it's claiming for PS3 and the fact that it has a "black and white video" output (that's probably just the luminance) it looks like it's taking the component output from those systems and transcoding it to RGB.

The second cable, I doubt that would work.  It doesn't look like it has space anywhere for a transcoder circuit.  You can't just change connector types, the colorspace has to be transcoded and sync pulled from the luminance. 

With either of those you'd have to switch audio seperately.  You'd need some custom cabling (DIY) to get the audio carried inside the VGA cables. 

Just thinking this over, I think you'll be better off trying to find a passive component+audio switch if you're not up to making your own cabling.  Also, while I could tell you how to handle the cabling for the PC and game systems, I don't have any experience with your media player so you'd be on your own for that.

[rock145]

I am going to hold off on buying  passive component+audio switch until I get a bigger tv. I saw this one on craigslist KV-27FS100  should I get that for groovymame or wait until I find a KV-27FS120.

thanks.

[Yeltsew7]

KV-27FS100 is only chassis model different.  It should be good.  How much are they asking?

[rCadeGaming]

It should be nearly identical to a 120.  I think a few people have picked them up around here.  Maybe try and find them and ask for feedback.

[rock145]

KV-27FS100 is only chassis model different.  It should be good.  How much are they asking?

they are asking $50.

[rock145]

It should be nearly identical to a 120.  I think a few people have picked them up around here.  Maybe try and find them and ask for feedback.

Thanks, I think I am gonna get it because it looks brand new and its in very good condition.  He took a picture of the back and it says
KV-27FS100L , chassis BA6 manufactured October 2003

[Yeltsew7]

Like Rob said, I haven't seen many people around here with KV-27FS100's, so if you do end up getting one, report back here and tell us how it goes.

[rock145]

Like Rob said, I haven't seen many people around here with KV-27FS100's, so if you do end up getting one, report back here and tell us how it goes.

ok.

[rock145]

I could not get the kv27fs100 and I am tire of waiting on craigslist for someone to have it. I am just gonna stick to what I have for now kv-20fs100. I was originally gonna get the TC1600 but I wanna try something cheaper first then somewhere in the future get it. Looking at one of the threads I found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YPbPr-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/370695549217?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item564f2d3121 . Is this good or there something better but not as expensive as TC1600. Will I need this cable to connect it http://www.selby.com.au/3m-scart-component-yuv-audio-cable-for-foxtel-sc95285r-3m.html or do I need this cable
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Video-Adapter-cable-SCART-output-to-VGA-SVGA-D-sub-15-pin-input-2m-Dsub-lead-/161009476636?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item257ce9a41c

[rCadeGaming]

That transcoder in your first link is exactly what I recommend as a cheap alternative to a TC1600.  To connect the graphics card to that transcoder you'll need a VGA to SCART cable or adapter that combines the horizontal and vertical sync correctly though (unlike the TC1600, which is plug and play).  VGA uses seperate h and v sync whereas SCART uses combined composite sync. 

The cable in that second link isn't what you're looking for.  I can't tell you if the one in the third link will work without more information on how it handles sync.  It says it's designed for connecting a SCART output to a VGA input, which is the opposite of what you need, so it probably wouldn't work.  The best way to guarantee it will work is to make your own adapter.  See here:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1392896.html#msg1392896

[rock145]

That transcoder in your first link is exactly what I recommend as a cheap alternative to a TC1600.  To connect the graphics card to that transcoder you'll need a VGA to SCART cable or adapter that combines the horizontal and vertical sync correctly though (unlike the TC1600, which is plug and play).  VGA uses seperate h and v sync whereas SCART uses combined composite sync. 

The cable in that second link isn't what you're looking for.  I can't tell you if the one in the third link will work without more information on how it handles sync.  It says it's designed for connecting a SCART output to a VGA input, which is the opposite of what you need, so it probably wouldn't work.  The best way to guarantee it will work is to make your own adapter.  See here:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,121491.msg1392896.html#msg1392896

Thanks, I appreciate your help.