New Intel G3220 Socket 1150 Haswell Processor Mame

[BobA]

We all have to live together, so we might as well live together happily.

Dalai Lama

[JMB]

We all have to live together, so we might as well live together happily.

Dalai Lama

Big hitter, the Lama.

[nimda79]

We all have to live together, so we might as well live together happily.

Dalai Lama

In Real Life --> That's why we have jails
Internet life --> That's why we ban

I hear the song, "Why can't we be friends" playing in my head now

[nimda79]

If a boss acts like a jerk, you report to HR. Enough people report to HR, then it's more likely an issue with the boss, not the employees.
So then HR talks to the boss and says, stop being a jerk (creating a hostile work environment is the technical term).
Boss keeps doing it, then they fire/demote him in most situations.

Psychologically it's understandable to deal with grief with lack of tolerance and anger. You can always see grief counseling, I know it's hard to talk about it, but honestly man, I would go. You need to vent, to get it out, but in a constructive way. Bringing it out on others who have no idea what's going on in your life doesn't make it right nor is healthy for you. Honestly, you should step back from places that cause you to act out, console in your spouse or children, if you have any, otherwise I am sure you have friends there locally for you.

I've been in the IT field myself for over 15 years, and grew up on DOS 3.0 (20 years ago). I have been semi-active with MAME for over 12 years and finally got to the point where I build a full cabinet. I constantly keep up with new hardware and software, read tons of review sites for the past 15 years, build gaming rigs for myself and others. It's bad enough that I can almost quote prices from newegg from memory or identify video cards just by looking at them (without seeing the model #).

While I am not going to keep beating my head against a wall with you, I just want to explain that I am overly knowledgeable in what I say and that I am not a noob as you consider me to be. 

[nimda79]

Great, now you are trolling me. 

Troll, no.

First part gave real world example of how management and human resources deal with "jerks" (As I am currently getting my degree in HR and Management) since I have more of an understanding of this topic.
Second part was me extending an olive branch to you as hopefully helpful information to deal with your loss.
Third part was to clarify the term noob (you labeled me as) in relation to my actual knowledge/skill level.

Please, stop posting and deal with your problems, as you already have more than enough to deal with on the passing of your father than dealing with newbies to the forum.

[nimda79]

Finally got around to showing off this processor's ability. Did have a few random dips below 100% but nothing that was noticeable or effected game play.

This is going after the first boss.
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[starwarsfan54321]

Finally got around to showing off this processor's ability. Did have a few random dips below 100% but nothing that was noticeable or effected game play.

This is going after the first boss.
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Awesome I want to build a cheap build to replace my p4 and this seems good

Can you test the model 2 emu, model 3 (supermodel) and Naomi (demul)?

[Warborg]

Sorry ark, it's all very well saying "we're all different", "know me know me ways" etc... but this "new guy" isn't the only person who thought some of your comments - or at least the way you were delivering them - were childish and unhelpful. Certainly, putting an animation at the end with a smiley rolling around in fits of laughter doesn't help as it implies - in my eyes - that you're laughing at someone's stupidity. Maybe you didn't mean it to come across like that, maybe you did - we'll never know - but the whole thing reeked of misplaced superiority to me and it's not hard to take sides against someone displaying that sort of behaviour.

It's not just you...  His posts always come off as needlessly (and misplaced, as you pointed out) superior. 

Yes Ark, if someone does or says something that doesn't line up with what you "know", you treat them like dirt.

[Warborg]

OK I'm a --cream-filled twinkie-- for telling this guy the processor is crap, and suggesting the next one up, which is the G3420.  Which now it appears a better buy.   

Sucks to be right.

No, your a "--cream-filled twinkie--" because you act like one toward others on this board.  You seem to always be so assured that you are correct no matter what (this thread being evidence to that, even when the OP posted his findings directly you basically dismissed him as a noob that had just no idea what he was talking about)...  You seem to ALWAYS have something negative to add to just about any subject/thread no matter what it's about, and then tell us how your view is the correct one regardless of any counter-point, personal account, etc. (See above, "Sucks to be right.").  You pointed out in another post that it was the OP that was just taking your post personal when you were just offering up what you knew to be correct, but you were the one that came off very aggressively right from the get-go and calling him a noob (assuming that he had no idea what he was talking about because he didn't agree with you).

Saint:  You said that you get a disproportionate amount of complaints directed at "certain people", well this is a +1...  Perhaps Ark has something positive to contribute to the forums, I don't really know...  But I've definitely seen him add a LOT of negativity whenever possible and I think the negatives outweigh any positives.  Just my .02 worth, so I'm sure it can be taken with a grain of salt.  I don't think you have a bias just because of post count or anything else and I know that running a site like this is a mini-job on it's own that you juggle alongside all your real-world responsibilities and I appreciate that you do it at all.  I don't post a lot (I prefer to read unless I really have something to add) but I have been here for like 12 years now and I actually do care what goes on as it's a community of like-minded people (at least, mostly) with a generally great group of people, and it's disappointing to have it dragged down by someone that I question if he has a positive bone in his body.

[ark_ader]

Does your post have anything constructive about processors and mame, or is this another rant?

If you are passionate about positive contribution then join the debate about that crap processor, otherwise you are just bashing me.  If you disagree with my comments then say so, just please don't whine about something you didn't have chance to get the last word in.

Just because you cannot change my point of view, doesn't mean you can bully.

It sounds childish.  Let us please get back on topic.

[rpgposer]

I did a little addition for the out-of-pocket cost of your G3220 setup and it comes to $220.00.  This assumes $40 (best guess) for the video card.  Memory, case and power supply were already on hand.
I am not going to dispute the performance claims because I recently upgraded from a 7 year old e8500 based system.  My mame cabinet has an old shuttle SFF P4 that runs most 2D games perfectly well. 
What I will say is that I believe less money could have been spent by purchasing used or refurbished equipment.  This is not meant to be an insult or flame, my wife would NEVER approve $220.00 for anything related to video games.  Your mileage may vary.
For those of you having trouble other forum members responses, there is an ignore feature.

[DarakuTenshi]

Hey Ark, I thought you said you were going to stop responding?

Nimda79 - I hope this experience does not drive you away from the forums. Stick around and stop feeding the troll. If he responds anymore just ignore him... Easier said than done, I know.

The best thing to do right now is to let this thread die. honestly, this thread should have been locked long ago. I'm sorry that your first experience here had to go down like this.

I didn't realize that Saint was the sole moderator here... Think it might be time to try and find some assistance.

[pbj]

Finally got around to showing off this processor's ability. Did have a few random dips below 100% but nothing that was noticeable or effected game play.

This is going after the first boss.
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Which version of MAME was that?  Did you try 152?

[Warborg]

Hey Ark, I thought you said you were going to stop responding?

Nimda79 - I hope this experience does not drive you away from the forums. Stick around and stop feeding the troll. If he responds anymore just ignore him... Easier said than done, I know.

The best thing to do right now is to let this thread die. honestly, this thread should have been locked long ago. I'm sorry that your first experience here had to go down like this.

I didn't realize that Saint was the sole moderator here... Think it might be time to try and find some assistance.

I was originally going to reply to he who lords himself over all, but I decided you are probably right and at least this part of the conversation needs to die off...  Besides, the irony of his last post about made my head explode...   

[lamprey]

This isn't G3220 specific, but about performance in general..

I admit I'm a bit ignorant in this area. However, I heard that MAME changed to discrete sound recently (to avoid playing samples?). So, 1) Is that true? 2) If it is true, what version did that start with? I was wondering if this might be the explanation for the performance difference I'm seeing between 0145 (or 0149? I forget which version I was messing with at home) and 0152? Specifically, on the 3D games, like Gauntlet DL, I notice about a 20% slow down going from 0145 to 0152 keeping all the settings the same.

Cheers!

[ark_ader]

I have some time off this week and I have some resources to test the A-10 with the latest mame. 

[pbj]

I just want the cheapest machine possible that will play Gauntlet 100%.  Do the leg work on that, ark, and get back to me.

 

[Warborg]

You did miss a point of sustainability that I was trying to avoid with the e8400 and the e6400, those sockets are getting harder to support and find "good" motherboard for. There are a few that do support cheaper DDR3 but most are DDR2 which has been phased out as well, so it costs out the wazoo (just like the 775 motherboards). Since 775 was release, there has been 1156, 1155, and now 1150 sockets for lower end systems.

Cpu-world.com is NOT biased an any way. They take benchmarks then you choose which processors to compare them to based on the same benchmarks.
I.E. an E6400 vs G3220 http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/383/Intel_Core_2_Duo_E6400_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html

Based on BENCHMARKS the G3220 is 2x's faster than the E6400 in Single and Multi-Thread operations. Even current AMD low-end FM2's that run at 4Ghz (6790K) run slower in single thread operations.

I little while ago I found myself in the same boat several months back, through an odd confluence of events my GF managed to "water" my media PC along with some flowers, thereby killing the mobo.  I knew for a fact after some testing that the mobo was gone, not 100% certain about the CPU (or RAM as far as that goes)...  It was an E6600 w/2GB DDR2.  I had some extra DDR2 sitting around and the option to fishing out another E6600 or E8400 if need be, but I was at the same crossroad as far as the mobo, 775 is outdated and at least as expensive as a cheap modern board (plus if I wanted additional RAM, as you pointed out DDR2 is more than DDR3 due to it's being phased out).  So after looking at the Frys add plus doing a little reading, I found that they had a G2120 on sale for like $60 and a mobo for another $45 (and a friend of mine had 8GB of 1600Mhz Viper RAM sitting around from an upgrade that he donated to me to revive my media PC...    ).  So would I use this CPU for a gaming rig?  Of course not...  That's not really what it's meant for, but for the price I found it for it ran my media center very smoothly (better than the E6600) plus the EMUs I've thrown at it (PCSX2, Dolphin, MAME, SNES9x) plus a few middle of the road PC games (oh, and added a GTX 550 Ti to it, a leftover from my GF's PC upgrade).  I can't say how it runs things such as Gauntlet Legends as I really haven't tried...

So yeah, I know a lot of people like to floor it when shopping for hardware regardless of the application, but if your goals for the build are modest and the budget low, there isn't anything wrong with going with configs like this...  And by using a more modern platform you also open the door to some easier upgrades if you find that is what you need.  With my current Media PC, if I felt I needed more juice down the road, I could just drop another CPU in it.  If I had just rebuilt the system as it was it would have cost me more and any further upgrade would have been a complete rebuild.