New Intel G3220 Socket 1150 Haswell Processor Mame

[nimda79]

This is more of an informational message than anything.

Quick background. I built a custom stand-up arcade machine on a tight budget, but didn't want to sacrifice quality. I utilized a SDTV made in 2007 (RCA brand) for my monitor, went with Ultimarc controls (8/4 way switchable), goldleaf buttons, and I-pac2 along with a mouse spinner hack and a 3" USB "happ" trackball for my setup. I had an old AM2 X2 Dell lying around so I initially used it to run my emulation w/ Maximus Arcade frontend, since I do MAME, NES, SNES, ATARI, Sega Genesis and Daphne. I've been lurking the forums for a long time and realized very quickly that AMD processors, especially old ones like that wouldn't cut it for games like MK4 in MAME. I have several 775 processors lying around, including the famous Intel e8400 but I have one problem, motherboards. I quickly found out that if I wanted to use that processor, OC it and keep it going for a long time, it wasn't going to happen since most boards I found were $80 and liquid filled caps, not to mention the idea of OC'ing something, while doesn't bother me if I am replacing it every 3 years, doesn't sound like a long term plan.

So after looking around and researching I decided on getting the Intel G3220 3.0Ghz dual core Pentium processor with a motherboard, and boy am I happy that I did.
Based on what I have seen, cores don't really matter, it's single thread performance that makes or breaks MAME. Based on this Mini Review (http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/385/Intel_Core_2_Duo_E8400_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html) you can see that the G3220 is 1.3X's faster than stock e8400. If you OC an e8400 to the 4Ghz range they are practically identical in terms of speed only now you get a board you can support and upgrade processors on if needed (and cheaply!)
Games like Gauntlet legends run at 99% to 100% almost all the time. MK4 is always at 100%. I have yet to see any slowdowns at all. Config wise I am running MAME64 with hi-score and no-nag compiled for my system with 22khz audio vs the default 48khz at 640x480@29Hz (interlaced)

Note: if you want me to run a bench on a specific game, let me know and I will do it.

Parts and cost below:
Intel Pentium G3220 (Amazon had it for $62) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116950
GIGABYTE GA-H81M-S2PH (has ESD protection! $61) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128657
GIGABYTE GeForce 8400 GS 512MB (Card from old MAME PC and Fanless) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125242
4GB DDR3 1333 (had laying around but costs $45) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231179
1TB Hard Drive (Any 7200rpm drive will do $60) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
Case and powersupply (I have spare supplies and cases lying around but you can get one for $50-60)

Total build cost: ~$300

[ABACABB]

very interesting.... Thanks for posting

[ark_ader]

The G3220 is a bag of crap.  Fine for light office and desktop use, but not for anything intensive.  You get what you pay for, and it is highly doubtful that it is faster than the E8400.  Even the review said it was for light computing uses.  I would say this is a perfect example of what not to buy, unless you are a noob.

[stripe4]

The G3220 is a bag of crap.  Fine for light office and desktop use, but not for anything intensive.  You get what you pay for, and it is highly doubtful that it is faster than the E8400.  Even the review said it was for light computing uses.  I would say this is a perfect example of what not to buy, unless you are a noob.

Thanks for the advice! I'll go with i5 for Donkey Kong then.

[nimda79]

The G3220 is a bag of crap.  Fine for light office and desktop use, but not for anything intensive.  You get what you pay for, and it is highly doubtful that it is faster than the E8400.  Even the review said it was for light computing uses.  I would say this is a perfect example of what not to buy, unless you are a noob.

While I appreciate your views:
A) Check the mini review http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/385/Intel_Core_2_Duo_E8400_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html (This is real world comparison)
B) E8400 technology wise is 5 generations behind Haswell based processors, the proof is in the pudding ^. I have an e8400 and I am willing to prove that stock E8400 is slower than G3220 (beyond the chipset limitations of socket 775 and the power and heat produced by a 45mn processor vs a 22mn processor.
C) I've been building computers since I was 14 (20 years now) and have been in IT since I was 19 (15 years). Definitely not a noob to computers and how they function.  (Though I do not blame you if you thought so because you don't know me)
 
D) If you like burning all your money for overkill, that's your business. I offered to bench any game requested. Back your critique with facts not speculation.

[Haze]

system with 22khz audio vs the default 48khz a

this hasn't made a performance difference for at least 15 years.... sound is still always rendered at the same resolution, so unless you have a truly awful onboard sound that can't cope with a 48khz stream (and those have been extinct for probably 10 years) all you're doing is making it sound like bottom.

[nimda79]

system with 22khz audio vs the default 48khz a

this hasn't made a performance difference for at least 15 years.... sound is still always rendered at the same resolution, so unless you have a truly awful onboard sound that can't cope with a 48khz stream (and those have been extinct for probably 10 years) all you're doing is making it sound like bottom.

Yea I haven't really tried it at 48Khz, I'll change it back and see if there is really a difference.

[nimda79]

Ark_Ader,

While trolling is fun, please refrain from trying to start a flame war. In case you haven't read the rules lately, check out rule #1 http://arcadecontrols.com/arcade_message_rules.html

You did miss a point of sustainability that I was trying to avoid with the e8400 and the e6400, those sockets are getting harder to support and find "good" motherboard for. There are a few that do support cheaper DDR3 but most are DDR2 which has been phased out as well, so it costs out the wazoo (just like the 775 motherboards). Since 775 was release, there has been 1156, 1155, and now 1150 sockets for lower end systems.

Cpu-world.com is NOT biased an any way. They take benchmarks then you choose which processors to compare them to based on the same benchmarks.
I.E. an E6400 vs G3220 http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/383/Intel_Core_2_Duo_E6400_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html

Based on BENCHMARKS the G3220 is 2x's faster than the E6400 in Single and Multi-Thread operations. Even current AMD low-end FM2's that run at 4Ghz (6790K) run slower in single thread operations.

I would love to see the specs of the setup you used with the G3220 you tried out and what applications you had problems with. I am sure if you thought that a G3220 would satisfy a power user, then yes, I would agree they would be greatly dissatisfied with that choice. MAME however is different than most modern-day programs that multi-thread effectively. Using this processor for a single purpose will yield different results, and since we are only concerned about static horsepower being delivered to a single program, MAME functions rather well, and at a cheap price.

I'll post back this weekend and compare my results based upon these http://www.mameui.info/Bench/Bench.htm and if I eat crow, so be it. 

[s_busby_uk]

Heck I have a E6400 stock that performs better than that G3220.  We got a bunch in and had to return them as they were not fit for function. We opted for the G3240 instead (and they were the same price) which is why I think they are crap.  Go on, amuse us with your comparison, if you want to use a crap processor then you are completely in your right to do so.  If you are such an expert, why are you referring to a biased review? 

Not that these things are bible or anything, but they do provide a fairly useful insight:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G3220-vs-Intel-Core2-Duo-E6400

A lot of this stuff can depend on the rest of your setup, but seems as thought under certain control conditions, the G3220 is better.

Funnily enough it's the CPU I've been looking at myself if I feel flash enough to actually buy new hardware for my build.

Out of interest, how does it handle Hyperspin (that is, if you're even running it!).

[nimda79]

Heck I have a E6400 stock that performs better than that G3220.  We got a bunch in and had to return them as they were not fit for function. We opted for the G3240 instead (and they were the same price) which is why I think they are crap.  Go on, amuse us with your comparison, if you want to use a crap processor then you are completely in your right to do so.  If you are such an expert, why are you referring to a biased review? 

Not that these things are bible or anything, but they do provide a fairly useful insight:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Pentium-G3220-vs-Intel-Core2-Duo-E6400

A lot of this stuff can depend on the rest of your setup, but seems as thought under certain control conditions, the G3220 is better.

Funnily enough it's the CPU I've been looking at myself if I feel flash enough to actually buy new hardware for my build.

Out of interest, how does it handle Hyperspin (that is, if you're even running it!).

I'm running Maximus Arcade for the frontend actually. I ran it on my old AMD X2 AM2 system for a little bit and it seemed to handle it well. I doubt you would have any problems but I'll load it and check it out for you this weekend if you would like me to.

[s_busby_uk]

Would be amazing if you could - I'd like to be able to run it with all the bells and whistles ideally.

[nimda79]

Here's the benchmark results on my G3220 running at Stock 3.0Ghz vs e8400 running at 3.6Ghz overclock
Game      G3220(@3.0Ghz)      e8400 (@3.6Ghz)
blitz               181                          166
gauntleg       219                          221
gradius4       142                          125
propcycl        135                          135
scud             155                           86
starsldr        100                           58

e8400 benchmarks attained from:
http://www.mameui.info/Bench/Bench.htm

Attached is screenshot of setup with benchmarks (Note: dolphin and radikalb did not run because of bad dump on my box)

s_busby_uk as soon as I have a chance I'll get you a video or something of Hyperspin running.

[stripe4]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

[nimda79]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

You are right, I tested mine on .149
I'll compile up .141 x64 for it and run again to get more "accurate" comparison.
I more wanted to show it can handle the workloads more than anything but I'll get you the results.

Like I said pretty pathetic for a Haswell processor. 

Thank you, Captain Obvious 
Still, this shows that it handles the more demanding games as I stated (and you laughed at).   
I'd be curious how the AMD A8-5500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor compares to this, as you have recommended it to someone back in December.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135997.msg1406224.html#msg1406224

[nimda79]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

Well just as I feared...my .149 rom set is too much different, so .141 won't run. I guess I'll have to install a second drive in my e8400 box and install Windows 7 x64 to give the full comparison. Bonus is that it will be stock clock speeds so it will be a true 1:1 comparison vs the benchmarks I linked to that have an OC'ed e8400.

Ark_Ader, would you like a blood sample or something? Holy crap dude. I proved it runs the games that drown most systems and you still have a hard on for flaming. I'm starting to doubt you are 45 as your profile states, due to the immaturity of your comments. As I see it you have 3 options: (1) Act your age (2) admit defeat (3) stop posting flame-bait comments

By the above comments, I see I am not the only one annoyed by this behavior. I really hope a mod sees this crap and puts you and your attitude where it belongs, post-hell and perma-ban. Add value or GTFO.

[ark_ader]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

Well just as I feared...my .149 rom set is too much different, so .141 won't run. I guess I'll have to install a second drive in my e8400 box and install Windows 7 x64 to give the full comparison. Bonus is that it will be stock clock speeds so it will be a true 1:1 comparison vs the benchmarks I linked to that have an OC'ed e8400.

Ark_Ader, would you like a blood sample or something? Holy crap dude. I proved it runs the games that drown most systems and you still have a hard on for flaming. I'm starting to doubt you are 45 as your profile states, due to the immaturity of your comments. As I see it you have 3 options: (1) Act your age (2) admit defeat (3) stop posting flame-bait comments

By the above comments, I see I am not the only one annoyed by this behavior. I really hope a mod sees this crap and puts you and your attitude where it belongs, post-hell and perma-ban. Add value or GTFO.

Sounds like someone doesn't like criticism.   

I don't think those results are accurate, as I have said before the processor is crap.  Post something from a legitimate (and accurate) source.  But like I said before: If you want to use this crap processor in your build then please do so, but please do not advertise that this chip is beneficial as it is clearly not.  Name calling or ultimatums do not work on me.  Only the truth does. 

[nimda79]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

Well just as I feared...my .149 rom set is too much different, so .141 won't run. I guess I'll have to install a second drive in my e8400 box and install Windows 7 x64 to give the full comparison. Bonus is that it will be stock clock speeds so it will be a true 1:1 comparison vs the benchmarks I linked to that have an OC'ed e8400.

Ark_Ader, would you like a blood sample or something? Holy crap dude. I proved it runs the games that drown most systems and you still have a hard on for flaming. I'm starting to doubt you are 45 as your profile states, due to the immaturity of your comments. As I see it you have 3 options: (1) Act your age (2) admit defeat (3) stop posting flame-bait comments

By the above comments, I see I am not the only one annoyed by this behavior. I really hope a mod sees this crap and puts you and your attitude where it belongs, post-hell and perma-ban. Add value or GTFO.

Sounds like someone doesn't like criticism.   

I don't think those results are accurate, as I have said before the processor is crap.  Post something from a legitimate (and accurate) source.  But like I said before: If you want to use this crap processor in your build then please do so, but please do not advertise that this chip is beneficial as it is clearly not.  Name calling or ultimatums do not work on me.  Only the truth does. 

It is the truth. I posted a freaking screenshot, posted a standard benchmark from a site, and someone else posted another comparing it to an e8400 as well, yet you still drink from the fountain of ignorance.
How about you do this...tell me the "legit sources" that you speak of, since apparently the 2 shown thus far have not met your "standards"

[ark_ader]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

Well just as I feared...my .149 rom set is too much different, so .141 won't run. I guess I'll have to install a second drive in my e8400 box and install Windows 7 x64 to give the full comparison. Bonus is that it will be stock clock speeds so it will be a true 1:1 comparison vs the benchmarks I linked to that have an OC'ed e8400.

Ark_Ader, would you like a blood sample or something? Holy crap dude. I proved it runs the games that drown most systems and you still have a hard on for flaming. I'm starting to doubt you are 45 as your profile states, due to the immaturity of your comments. As I see it you have 3 options: (1) Act your age (2) admit defeat (3) stop posting flame-bait comments

By the above comments, I see I am not the only one annoyed by this behavior. I really hope a mod sees this crap and puts you and your attitude where it belongs, post-hell and perma-ban. Add value or GTFO.

Sounds like someone doesn't like criticism.   

I don't think those results are accurate, as I have said before the processor is crap.  Post something from a legitimate (and accurate) source.  But like I said before: If you want to use this crap processor in your build then please do so, but please do not advertise that this chip is beneficial as it is clearly not.  Name calling or ultimatums do not work on me.  Only the truth does. 

It is the truth. I posted a freaking screenshot, posted a standard benchmark from a site, and someone else posted another comparing it to an e8400 as well, yet you still drink from the fountain of ignorance.
How about you do this...tell me the "legit sources" that you speak of, since apparently the 2 shown thus far have not met your "standards"

At least let's agree to disagree.   

[nimda79]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

Well just as I feared...my .149 rom set is too much different, so .141 won't run. I guess I'll have to install a second drive in my e8400 box and install Windows 7 x64 to give the full comparison. Bonus is that it will be stock clock speeds so it will be a true 1:1 comparison vs the benchmarks I linked to that have an OC'ed e8400.

Ark_Ader, would you like a blood sample or something? Holy crap dude. I proved it runs the games that drown most systems and you still have a hard on for flaming. I'm starting to doubt you are 45 as your profile states, due to the immaturity of your comments. As I see it you have 3 options: (1) Act your age (2) admit defeat (3) stop posting flame-bait comments

By the above comments, I see I am not the only one annoyed by this behavior. I really hope a mod sees this crap and puts you and your attitude where it belongs, post-hell and perma-ban. Add value or GTFO.

Sounds like someone doesn't like criticism.   

I don't think those results are accurate, as I have said before the processor is crap.  Post something from a legitimate (and accurate) source.  But like I said before: If you want to use this crap processor in your build then please do so, but please do not advertise that this chip is beneficial as it is clearly not.  Name calling or ultimatums do not work on me.  Only the truth does. 

It is the truth. I posted a freaking screenshot, posted a standard benchmark from a site, and someone else posted another comparing it to an e8400 as well, yet you still drink from the fountain of ignorance.
How about you do this...tell me the "legit sources" that you speak of, since apparently the 2 shown thus far have not met your "standards"

At least let's agree to disagree.   

Is this your way of saying, there isn't any sites that meet your standards? I really want you to drink the koolaid  PCMark from FutureMark.com? (http://www.3dmark.com/compare/pcm8wrk/24997/pcm8wrk/8618) There's got to be some synthetic benchmark that you'll trust.
I have both processors e8400 and G3220. I'll run whatever, there's no shame in being wrong. Even I said I would "eat crow" if it came out that way. Hell I'll post a video if it makes you feel better.

[ark_ader]

I'm curious about the MAME version you used to benchmark G3220. Was it also 0.141? I ask you this because performance regressions (and their subsequent fixes) are nothing out of the ordinary in MAME, here's an example:
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=309357&page=16&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

The huge difference in scud and starsldr results was the one that made me suspicious. If MAME versions really do not match, can you please rerun the tests using 0.141?

Well just as I feared...my .149 rom set is too much different, so .141 won't run. I guess I'll have to install a second drive in my e8400 box and install Windows 7 x64 to give the full comparison. Bonus is that it will be stock clock speeds so it will be a true 1:1 comparison vs the benchmarks I linked to that have an OC'ed e8400.

Ark_Ader, would you like a blood sample or something? Holy crap dude. I proved it runs the games that drown most systems and you still have a hard on for flaming. I'm starting to doubt you are 45 as your profile states, due to the immaturity of your comments. As I see it you have 3 options: (1) Act your age (2) admit defeat (3) stop posting flame-bait comments

By the above comments, I see I am not the only one annoyed by this behavior. I really hope a mod sees this crap and puts you and your attitude where it belongs, post-hell and perma-ban. Add value or GTFO.

Sounds like someone doesn't like criticism.   

I don't think those results are accurate, as I have said before the processor is crap.  Post something from a legitimate (and accurate) source.  But like I said before: If you want to use this crap processor in your build then please do so, but please do not advertise that this chip is beneficial as it is clearly not.  Name calling or ultimatums do not work on me.  Only the truth does. 

It is the truth. I posted a freaking screenshot, posted a standard benchmark from a site, and someone else posted another comparing it to an e8400 as well, yet you still drink from the fountain of ignorance.
How about you do this...tell me the "legit sources" that you speak of, since apparently the 2 shown thus far have not met your "standards"

At least let's agree to disagree.   

Is this your way of saying, there isn't any sites that meet your standards? I really want you to drink the koolaid  PCMark from FutureMark.com? (http://www.3dmark.com/compare/pcm8wrk/24997/pcm8wrk/8618) There's got to be some synthetic benchmark that you'll trust.
I have both processors e8400 and G3220. I'll run whatever, there's no shame in being wrong. Even I said I would "eat crow" if it came out that way. Hell I'll post a video if it makes you feel better.

No, when I am wrong I freely admit it, and have done so on this board several times.  I am currently not in the position to perform any tests, but I do not mind revisiting this at a later date, and post scores of the A8 as requested.  I have made my position clear, on both a professional standpoint and personal as indicated.  It is not about blame or credibility.  The processor is crap.  Buy the next series up and you will see a huge performance increase.

I think you are taking my stance as personal slight. That is your problem.     

[saint]

 

[nimda79]

Wow, I love it when people's posts defending my stance get deleted, yet Ark_ader still get's to post flame bait(which obviously was taken). Mod's what gives?!
I don't care if you have 3 posts or 3000 posts. If you piss off a good chunk of the community by being more detrimental than helpful, and yet you still keep allowing people like that to post?

1. Be nice to each other. We're serious about this one. Disagree, debate, argue at will - but please be respectful. Messages that are flame-bait, hateful, racist, or otherwise pointlessly antagonistic will likely be sent to post-hell, and repeat offenders banned from posting.

Glad I wasted my time posting to this site, because apparently the rules don't matter when you have a high post count.
Judging by the amount of people coming to my defense I can only assume this isn't the first time he's started a flame war.

Yes I am talking to you JustMichael, NIVO, OSCAR, SirPoonga, SirPeale, HaRuMaN, DeLuSioNal29 and whomever else has power on this site.

I expect a post from one of you as to your reasoning as to why you allow his behavior to continue because this is CRAP.

[saint]

*Sigh*

I work for a living. I work full time. I have 3 kids. I have an ailing father. I occasionally like to have a personal life. I have run this web site for something like 15 years.

Don't yell at anyone else if you don' t like the moderating, it's all me. I stole 30 seconds from my job to try to trim out this thread while still keeping usable bits. I think Ark's a --cream-filled twinkie-- half the time. Maybe more than half. I've yelled at him more times than I can count. I also think he contributes something to the forum despite his negative personality. I am always going to err on the side of leaving content up and letting folks push the envelope of the rules, I try to keep a light hand. I think it makes for a better forum.

Specifically here, I deleted *four* of Ark's posts that I thought were needlessly inflammatory, and five other posts from other folks that were also inflammatory or made no sense without the context of the posts I pulled. All in the 30 seconds I was able to steal from my job. As usual I regret if my efforts failed to live up to expectations.

[nimda79]

*Sigh*

I work for a living. I work full time. I have 3 kids. I have an ailing father. I occasionally like to have a personal life. I have run this web site for something like 15 years.

Don't yell at anyone else if you don' t like the moderating, it's all me. I stole 30 seconds from my job to try to trim out this thread while still keeping usable bits. I think Ark's a --cream-filled twinkie-- half the time. Maybe more than half. I've yelled at him more times than I can count. I also think he contributes something to the forum despite his negative personality. I am always going to err on the side of leaving content up and letting folks push the envelope of the rules, I try to keep a light hand. I think it makes for a better forum.

Specifically here, I deleted *four* of Ark's posts that I thought were needlessly inflammatory, and five other posts from other folks that were also inflammatory or made no sense without the context of the posts I pulled. All in the 30 seconds I was able to steal from my job. As usual I regret if my efforts failed to live up to expectations.

Actually you fail to live up to your own RULES. How can you have a rules when you don't follow through on them?

Yes I have 5 kids, a full time manager job, and go to school full time as well. I fully get where you are coming from. Perhaps if you did what your rules said, you wouldn't have to "trim up" posts like these.
That's parenting 101, punish when needed but the second you don't punish when you say you will, that's when they bend you over and break the rules because there is no consequences (since you let them get away it over and over).

After all this is YOUR site, and I am not telling you how to handle your hobby site that tons of users come together and contribute on, I am suggesting you rethink your parenting style or risk having more people turned away because you allow this behavior of 1 person.

[saint]

I think I adequately cleaned up this thread, but if you see parts you'd recommend I clean up further I'm all ears.

Ark, stop being a --cream-filled twinkie--.

[pbj]

So can this processor run Gauntlet Legends 100% or not?  That's all I care about.

 

[nimda79]

I think I adequately cleaned up this thread, but if you see parts you'd recommend I clean up further I'm all ears.

Ark, stop being a --cream-filled twinkie--.

You did clean it up fully, and sorry for yelling at JustMichael, NIVO, OSCAR, SirPoonga, SirPeale, HaRuMaN, and DeLuSioNal29. 

I hope you make the right choice in future matters. Being a father of 3, I am sure you are fully aware that the internet turns grown men into children (with bigger pocket books).

And I am sure you don't hear it much but thank you for making sites like this one, as I have been using it over the course of my build.

[saint]

[nimda79]

So can this processor run Gauntlet Legends 100% or not?  That's all I care about.

 

From the little I played it was constantly at 98-100% run speed but I am using .149 and there may be more performance tweaks, as shown above, with the newer .152 release. I've heard that it really taxes the game when there is a boss fight.
I'll try to get on it tomorrow, since I have class tonight and see what happens when I make it that far.

I know it's hard to justify $140 processor over an $70 processor for 500Mhz. You could get the G3420 or G3430 which gives you more memory bandwidth, since you can use DDR3-1600 vs only DDR3-1333 of the G3220, and slightly higher clock speed (200-300Mhz). If it dogs down, I'll see if I can get the .152 update running for that game and see how it goes.

[ark_ader]

So can this processor run Gauntlet Legends 100% or not?  That's all I care about.

 

From the little I played it was constantly at 98-100% run speed but I am using .149 and there may be more performance tweaks, as shown above, with the newer .152 release. I've heard that it really taxes the game when there is a boss fight.
I'll try to get on it tomorrow, since I have class tonight and see what happens when I make it that far.

I know it's hard to justify $140 processor over an $70 processor for 500Mhz. You could get the G3420 or G3430 which gives you more memory bandwidth, since you can use DDR3-1600 vs only DDR3-1333 of the G3220, and slightly higher clock speed (200-300Mhz). If it dogs down, I'll see if I can get the .152 update running for that game and see how it goes.

OK I'm a --cream-filled twinkie-- for telling this guy the processor is crap, and suggesting the next one up, which is the G3420.  Which now it appears a better buy.   

Sucks to be right.

[nimda79]

OK I'm a --cream-filled twinkie-- for telling this guy the processor is crap, and suggesting the next one up, which is the G3420.  Which now it appears a better buy.   

Sucks to be right.

Nowhere in here have you even said to use that processor. Let you LIES be your comfort...

[ark_ader]

OK I'm a --cream-filled twinkie-- for telling this guy the processor is crap, and suggesting the next one up, which is the G3420.  Which now it appears a better buy.   

Sucks to be right.

Nowhere in here have you even said to use that processor. Let you LIES be your comfort...

We opted for the G3240 instead (and they were the same price) which is why I think they are crap.

I also had said the same thing when Saint Deleted my posts.  What is wrong with people today?  Can they not read the posts properly?

[nimda79]

Sure sure...blame it on Saint... LOL

[ark_ader]

*Sigh*

I work for a living. I work full time. I have 3 kids. I have an ailing father. I occasionally like to have a personal life. I have run this web site for something like 15 years.

Don't yell at anyone else if you don' t like the moderating, it's all me. I stole 30 seconds from my job to try to trim out this thread while still keeping usable bits. I think Ark's a --cream-filled twinkie-- half the time. Maybe more than half. I've yelled at him more times than I can count. I also think he contributes something to the forum despite his negative personality. I am always going to err on the side of leaving content up and letting folks push the envelope of the rules, I try to keep a light hand. I think it makes for a better forum.

Specifically here, I deleted *four* of Ark's posts that I thought were needlessly inflammatory, and five other posts from other folks that were also inflammatory or made no sense without the context of the posts I pulled. All in the 30 seconds I was able to steal from my job. As usual I regret if my efforts failed to live up to expectations.

--cream-filled twinkie--?  Thanks for that.

Needlessly inflammatory?  Probably.  I should stop responding to those childish taunts.  Point taken.

I would never admin my site at work.  You are lucky.

[saint]

*Sigh*

I work for a living. I work full time. I have 3 kids. I have an ailing father. I occasionally like to have a personal life. I have run this web site for something like 15 years.

Don't yell at anyone else if you don' t like the moderating, it's all me. I stole 30 seconds from my job to try to trim out this thread while still keeping usable bits. I think Ark's a --cream-filled twinkie-- half the time. Maybe more than half. I've yelled at him more times than I can count. I also think he contributes something to the forum despite his negative personality. I am always going to err on the side of leaving content up and letting folks push the envelope of the rules, I try to keep a light hand. I think it makes for a better forum.

Specifically here, I deleted *four* of Ark's posts that I thought were needlessly inflammatory, and five other posts from other folks that were also inflammatory or made no sense without the context of the posts I pulled. All in the 30 seconds I was able to steal from my job. As usual I regret if my efforts failed to live up to expectations.

--cream-filled twinkie--?  Thanks for that.

Needlessly inflammatory?  Probably.  I should stop responding to those childish taunts.  Point taken.

I would never admin my site at work.  You are lucky.

I make the mistake of checking my personal email at work sometimes.

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but a disproportionate number of the complaints I receive involve a very small number of people. I don't respond to all of them, and they aren't that frequent, but certain names do come up more than once.... Make of that what you will.

[ark_ader]

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but a disproportionate number of the complaints I receive involve a very small number of people. I don't respond to all of them, and they aren't that frequent, but certain names do come up more than once.... Make of that what you will.

This hobby tends to bring the eccentric out of people.  You will see a lot of that on KLOV.  When I make a statement about an item, either positive or negative, it is still my opinion.  Name calling and throwing fits is not going to change it.  This new guy's heart is in the right place, but he needs to realise that we are all different.  Taking time out and doing reviews is great.  It belongs in the review forum.  I would hate to see someone spending their hard cash on a weak processor, considering the hardware requirements that our hobby requires, compared to an older generation processor and system that is cheaply available on Ebay.

[wp34]

*Sigh*

I work for a living. I work full time. I have 3 kids. I have an ailing father. I occasionally like to have a personal life. I have run this web site for something like 15 years.

Don't yell at anyone else if you don' t like the moderating, it's all me. I stole 30 seconds from my job to try to trim out this thread while still keeping usable bits. I think Ark's a --cream-filled twinkie-- half the time. Maybe more than half. I've yelled at him more times than I can count. I also think he contributes something to the forum despite his negative personality. I am always going to err on the side of leaving content up and letting folks push the envelope of the rules, I try to keep a light hand. I think it makes for a better forum.

Specifically here, I deleted *four* of Ark's posts that I thought were needlessly inflammatory, and five other posts from other folks that were also inflammatory or made no sense without the context of the posts I pulled. All in the 30 seconds I was able to steal from my job. As usual I regret if my efforts failed to live up to expectations.

Sorry to hear about your father.    My thoughts are with you.

[s_busby_uk]

I'm sure you're a nice guy, but a disproportionate number of the complaints I receive involve a very small number of people. I don't respond to all of them, and they aren't that frequent, but certain names do come up more than once.... Make of that what you will.

This hobby tends to bring the eccentric out of people.  You will see a lot of that on KLOV.  When I make a statement about an item, either positive or negative, it is still my opinion.  Name calling and throwing fits is not going to change it.  This new guy's heart is in the right place, but he needs to realise that we are all different.  Taking time out and doing reviews is great.  It belongs in the review forum.  I would hate to see someone spending their hard cash on a weak processor, considering the hardware requirements that our hobby requires, compared to an older generation processor and system that is cheaply available on Ebay.

Sorry ark, it's all very well saying "we're all different", "know me know me ways" etc... but this "new guy" isn't the only person who thought some of your comments - or at least the way you were delivering them - were childish and unhelpful. Certainly, putting an animation at the end with a smiley rolling around in fits of laughter doesn't help as it implies - in my eyes - that you're laughing at someone's stupidity. Maybe you didn't mean it to come across like that, maybe you did - we'll never know - but the whole thing reeked of misplaced superiority to me and it's not hard to take sides against someone displaying that sort of behaviour.

[deadmoney5]

Is it just me that thinks it's funny imagining a real fight between people obsessed with playing and building old arcade games?

[nimda79]

The visual of that in my mind is far more hilarious than it would be in real life.

I do know from experience people generally don't complain about things until it's too late, most people put up with heavy trolling especially by someone who has a higher post count than them.
Then there are the small percentage, like me who don't put up with it.
Sadly it happens everywhere, I even saw it today on another forum (however that user was banned for excessive trolling).
I know it's fun to get your jolly's off or even disagree with someone, but there is disagreeing, and then there is being a dick about it as well while you disagree, like straight up calling someone a noob on the very first post to them because you have a different point of view. That's what the 16 year old gamers do over voice chat in online games, not adults (well at least I thought not).
I tried to be an adult about most of it and I even asked the behavior to stop, but I can only be egged on for so long before I've had enough, even after others tried to defend me.

[BobA]

We all have to live together, so we might as well live together happily.

Dalai Lama

[JMB]

We all have to live together, so we might as well live together happily.

Dalai Lama

Big hitter, the Lama.

[nimda79]

We all have to live together, so we might as well live together happily.

Dalai Lama

In Real Life --> That's why we have jails
Internet life --> That's why we ban

I hear the song, "Why can't we be friends" playing in my head now

[nimda79]

If a boss acts like a jerk, you report to HR. Enough people report to HR, then it's more likely an issue with the boss, not the employees.
So then HR talks to the boss and says, stop being a jerk (creating a hostile work environment is the technical term).
Boss keeps doing it, then they fire/demote him in most situations.

Psychologically it's understandable to deal with grief with lack of tolerance and anger. You can always see grief counseling, I know it's hard to talk about it, but honestly man, I would go. You need to vent, to get it out, but in a constructive way. Bringing it out on others who have no idea what's going on in your life doesn't make it right nor is healthy for you. Honestly, you should step back from places that cause you to act out, console in your spouse or children, if you have any, otherwise I am sure you have friends there locally for you.

I've been in the IT field myself for over 15 years, and grew up on DOS 3.0 (20 years ago). I have been semi-active with MAME for over 12 years and finally got to the point where I build a full cabinet. I constantly keep up with new hardware and software, read tons of review sites for the past 15 years, build gaming rigs for myself and others. It's bad enough that I can almost quote prices from newegg from memory or identify video cards just by looking at them (without seeing the model #).

While I am not going to keep beating my head against a wall with you, I just want to explain that I am overly knowledgeable in what I say and that I am not a noob as you consider me to be. 

[nimda79]

Great, now you are trolling me. 

Troll, no.

First part gave real world example of how management and human resources deal with "jerks" (As I am currently getting my degree in HR and Management) since I have more of an understanding of this topic.
Second part was me extending an olive branch to you as hopefully helpful information to deal with your loss.
Third part was to clarify the term noob (you labeled me as) in relation to my actual knowledge/skill level.

Please, stop posting and deal with your problems, as you already have more than enough to deal with on the passing of your father than dealing with newbies to the forum.

[nimda79]

Finally got around to showing off this processor's ability. Did have a few random dips below 100% but nothing that was noticeable or effected game play.

This is going after the first boss.
[youtube][/youtube]

[starwarsfan54321]

Finally got around to showing off this processor's ability. Did have a few random dips below 100% but nothing that was noticeable or effected game play.

This is going after the first boss.
[youtube][/youtube]

Awesome I want to build a cheap build to replace my p4 and this seems good

Can you test the model 2 emu, model 3 (supermodel) and Naomi (demul)?

[Warborg]

Sorry ark, it's all very well saying "we're all different", "know me know me ways" etc... but this "new guy" isn't the only person who thought some of your comments - or at least the way you were delivering them - were childish and unhelpful. Certainly, putting an animation at the end with a smiley rolling around in fits of laughter doesn't help as it implies - in my eyes - that you're laughing at someone's stupidity. Maybe you didn't mean it to come across like that, maybe you did - we'll never know - but the whole thing reeked of misplaced superiority to me and it's not hard to take sides against someone displaying that sort of behaviour.

It's not just you...  His posts always come off as needlessly (and misplaced, as you pointed out) superior. 

Yes Ark, if someone does or says something that doesn't line up with what you "know", you treat them like dirt.

[Warborg]

OK I'm a --cream-filled twinkie-- for telling this guy the processor is crap, and suggesting the next one up, which is the G3420.  Which now it appears a better buy.   

Sucks to be right.

No, your a "--cream-filled twinkie--" because you act like one toward others on this board.  You seem to always be so assured that you are correct no matter what (this thread being evidence to that, even when the OP posted his findings directly you basically dismissed him as a noob that had just no idea what he was talking about)...  You seem to ALWAYS have something negative to add to just about any subject/thread no matter what it's about, and then tell us how your view is the correct one regardless of any counter-point, personal account, etc. (See above, "Sucks to be right.").  You pointed out in another post that it was the OP that was just taking your post personal when you were just offering up what you knew to be correct, but you were the one that came off very aggressively right from the get-go and calling him a noob (assuming that he had no idea what he was talking about because he didn't agree with you).

Saint:  You said that you get a disproportionate amount of complaints directed at "certain people", well this is a +1...  Perhaps Ark has something positive to contribute to the forums, I don't really know...  But I've definitely seen him add a LOT of negativity whenever possible and I think the negatives outweigh any positives.  Just my .02 worth, so I'm sure it can be taken with a grain of salt.  I don't think you have a bias just because of post count or anything else and I know that running a site like this is a mini-job on it's own that you juggle alongside all your real-world responsibilities and I appreciate that you do it at all.  I don't post a lot (I prefer to read unless I really have something to add) but I have been here for like 12 years now and I actually do care what goes on as it's a community of like-minded people (at least, mostly) with a generally great group of people, and it's disappointing to have it dragged down by someone that I question if he has a positive bone in his body.

[ark_ader]

Does your post have anything constructive about processors and mame, or is this another rant?

If you are passionate about positive contribution then join the debate about that crap processor, otherwise you are just bashing me.  If you disagree with my comments then say so, just please don't whine about something you didn't have chance to get the last word in.

Just because you cannot change my point of view, doesn't mean you can bully.

It sounds childish.  Let us please get back on topic.

[rpgposer]

I did a little addition for the out-of-pocket cost of your G3220 setup and it comes to $220.00.  This assumes $40 (best guess) for the video card.  Memory, case and power supply were already on hand.
I am not going to dispute the performance claims because I recently upgraded from a 7 year old e8500 based system.  My mame cabinet has an old shuttle SFF P4 that runs most 2D games perfectly well. 
What I will say is that I believe less money could have been spent by purchasing used or refurbished equipment.  This is not meant to be an insult or flame, my wife would NEVER approve $220.00 for anything related to video games.  Your mileage may vary.
For those of you having trouble other forum members responses, there is an ignore feature.

[DarakuTenshi]

Hey Ark, I thought you said you were going to stop responding?

Nimda79 - I hope this experience does not drive you away from the forums. Stick around and stop feeding the troll. If he responds anymore just ignore him... Easier said than done, I know.

The best thing to do right now is to let this thread die. honestly, this thread should have been locked long ago. I'm sorry that your first experience here had to go down like this.

I didn't realize that Saint was the sole moderator here... Think it might be time to try and find some assistance.

[pbj]

Finally got around to showing off this processor's ability. Did have a few random dips below 100% but nothing that was noticeable or effected game play.

This is going after the first boss.
[youtube][/youtube]

Which version of MAME was that?  Did you try 152?

[Warborg]

Hey Ark, I thought you said you were going to stop responding?

Nimda79 - I hope this experience does not drive you away from the forums. Stick around and stop feeding the troll. If he responds anymore just ignore him... Easier said than done, I know.

The best thing to do right now is to let this thread die. honestly, this thread should have been locked long ago. I'm sorry that your first experience here had to go down like this.

I didn't realize that Saint was the sole moderator here... Think it might be time to try and find some assistance.

I was originally going to reply to he who lords himself over all, but I decided you are probably right and at least this part of the conversation needs to die off...  Besides, the irony of his last post about made my head explode...   

[lamprey]

This isn't G3220 specific, but about performance in general..

I admit I'm a bit ignorant in this area. However, I heard that MAME changed to discrete sound recently (to avoid playing samples?). So, 1) Is that true? 2) If it is true, what version did that start with? I was wondering if this might be the explanation for the performance difference I'm seeing between 0145 (or 0149? I forget which version I was messing with at home) and 0152? Specifically, on the 3D games, like Gauntlet DL, I notice about a 20% slow down going from 0145 to 0152 keeping all the settings the same.

Cheers!

[ark_ader]

I have some time off this week and I have some resources to test the A-10 with the latest mame. 

[pbj]

I just want the cheapest machine possible that will play Gauntlet 100%.  Do the leg work on that, ark, and get back to me.

 

[Warborg]

You did miss a point of sustainability that I was trying to avoid with the e8400 and the e6400, those sockets are getting harder to support and find "good" motherboard for. There are a few that do support cheaper DDR3 but most are DDR2 which has been phased out as well, so it costs out the wazoo (just like the 775 motherboards). Since 775 was release, there has been 1156, 1155, and now 1150 sockets for lower end systems.

Cpu-world.com is NOT biased an any way. They take benchmarks then you choose which processors to compare them to based on the same benchmarks.
I.E. an E6400 vs G3220 http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/383/Intel_Core_2_Duo_E6400_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3220.html

Based on BENCHMARKS the G3220 is 2x's faster than the E6400 in Single and Multi-Thread operations. Even current AMD low-end FM2's that run at 4Ghz (6790K) run slower in single thread operations.

I little while ago I found myself in the same boat several months back, through an odd confluence of events my GF managed to "water" my media PC along with some flowers, thereby killing the mobo.  I knew for a fact after some testing that the mobo was gone, not 100% certain about the CPU (or RAM as far as that goes)...  It was an E6600 w/2GB DDR2.  I had some extra DDR2 sitting around and the option to fishing out another E6600 or E8400 if need be, but I was at the same crossroad as far as the mobo, 775 is outdated and at least as expensive as a cheap modern board (plus if I wanted additional RAM, as you pointed out DDR2 is more than DDR3 due to it's being phased out).  So after looking at the Frys add plus doing a little reading, I found that they had a G2120 on sale for like $60 and a mobo for another $45 (and a friend of mine had 8GB of 1600Mhz Viper RAM sitting around from an upgrade that he donated to me to revive my media PC...    ).  So would I use this CPU for a gaming rig?  Of course not...  That's not really what it's meant for, but for the price I found it for it ran my media center very smoothly (better than the E6600) plus the EMUs I've thrown at it (PCSX2, Dolphin, MAME, SNES9x) plus a few middle of the road PC games (oh, and added a GTX 550 Ti to it, a leftover from my GF's PC upgrade).  I can't say how it runs things such as Gauntlet Legends as I really haven't tried...

So yeah, I know a lot of people like to floor it when shopping for hardware regardless of the application, but if your goals for the build are modest and the budget low, there isn't anything wrong with going with configs like this...  And by using a more modern platform you also open the door to some easier upgrades if you find that is what you need.  With my current Media PC, if I felt I needed more juice down the road, I could just drop another CPU in it.  If I had just rebuilt the system as it was it would have cost me more and any further upgrade would have been a complete rebuild.