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What might convince me to buy a PS4
« on: December 02, 2013, 05:19:26 am »

Eventually. I only just bought a PS3  ;D



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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2013, 07:16:56 pm »
don't.

"next gen" is a sideways step.

your choice - upscaled 720p or 1080P @ 30 frames per second.

both look atrocious.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2013, 04:07:02 pm »
Yeah Nintendo is looking smarter and smarter this go around.  Even with the ridiculously high price tags, the next gen consoles only look marginally better than the Wii U/360/Ps3

I'm sure in the years to come the games will look better, but not right now anyway.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2013, 04:22:39 pm »

And nobody is able to justify that $500 console as also being a next gen optical player.  There is no Blu Ray or HD DVD aspect this time around.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2013, 06:03:04 pm »

And nobody is able to justify that $500 console as also being a next gen optical player.  There is no Blu Ray or HD DVD aspect this time around.

Oh Hell no. Not when they can charge a premium for crappy content while sucking down your bandwidth.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2013, 04:23:06 am »

Did I mention I've only JUST bought a PS3? PS4 will be five years down the track. Just thought this game looked compelling...


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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2013, 08:22:13 am »
My big excitement is The Division! The problem with this trailer you showed is that it isn't actual gameplay footage. I'm intrigued!! I'd like to see more...

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 10:37:31 am »
I keep contemplating all the work I'd have to do to get one of these things for 'free'.  So far I'm in $25 and have two controllers.  If I drag them to Wal-Mart, I'll get $120 in store credit. (Though some of the PM offers have been humorous, thanks BYOAC)

That's a nice chunk off the price, but I'd be short a controller.   :'(

Coin Star is doing a $10 Toys R Us gift card for every $40 you put in there.  They take a roughly 8% cut if you convert coins into real money.  So if I went to the bank and got $4,000 in quarters I could theoretically run them through the machine and get one for $320 out of pocket or less if I find a place that doesn't screw you on fees.  Other option - put in $320 in $40 increments, convert to no fee $40 Toys R Us gift cards, collect $80 in bonus gift cards. 

Anyway, I'm chewing on it.  I'll figure a way to get this down to $200 eventually.

 :P








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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 01:35:27 pm »
I keep contemplating all the work I'd have to do to get one of these things for 'free'.  So far I'm in $25 and have two controllers.  If I drag them to Wal-Mart, I'll get $120 in store credit. (Though some of the PM offers have been humorous, thanks BYOAC)

That's a nice chunk off the price, but I'd be short a controller.   :'(

Coin Star is doing a $10 Toys R Us gift card for every $40 you put in there.  They take a roughly 8% cut if you convert coins into real money.  So if I went to the bank and got $4,000 in quarters I could theoretically run them through the machine and get one for $320 out of pocket or less if I find a place that doesn't screw you on fees.  Other option - put in $320 in $40 increments, convert to no fee $40 Toys R Us gift cards, collect $80 in bonus gift cards. 

Anyway, I'm chewing on it.  I'll figure a way to get this down to $200 eventually.

 :P

you, my good sir, have far too much free time on your hands.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2013, 02:16:56 pm »
you, my good sir, have far too much free time on your hands.

I'd argue that I don't, but I just spent an hour in a sensory deprivation room watching flashing numbers for $10.


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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2013, 02:28:37 pm »
you, my good sir, have far too much free time on your hands.

I'd argue that I don't, but I just spent an hour in a sensory deprivation room watching flashing numbers for $10.



nice. always wondered what it's like. been in a soundproof room once...it was so quiet it felt like my head was going to cave in.

easiest way to get free stuff... find a store where you can still buy PS4's and xbones (believe me it's not hard to find at all) and buy them all up. resell them on craigslist to fanboys for markup...use profit to finance porn addiction (or whatever you are into)

it takes a wad of cash...but hey, it takes money to make money right?

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2013, 02:54:56 pm »
I sat a tiny room on a stool with no lights except for the glow of a CRT and ear plugs in.  Go stand in your bedroom closet and look at your cellphone for an hour and you've just simulated the experience.

Dealing with people from Craig's List is not an easy way to make money. 

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2013, 03:06:47 pm »
I sat a tiny room on a stool with no lights except for the glow of a CRT and ear plugs in.  Go stand in your bedroom closet and look at your cellphone for an hour and you've just simulated the experience.

mexican sensory deprivation experience.  :laugh2:

i was thinking more the ones where you sit in the soundproof water tank and it's all dark and you hallucinate your cares away.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2013, 03:13:56 pm »
Coin Star is doing a $10 Toys R Us gift card for every $40 you put in there.  They take a roughly 8% cut if you convert coins into real money.  So if I went to the bank and got $4,000 in quarters I could theoretically run them through the machine and get one for $320 out of pocket or less if I find a place that doesn't screw you on fees.  Other option - put in $320 in $40 increments, convert to no fee $40 Toys R Us gift cards, collect $80 in bonus gift cards. 

Anyway, I'm chewing on it.  I'll figure a way to get this down to $200 eventually.

 :P

I wonder if this can be done in an afternoon

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2013, 04:20:39 pm »
I keep contemplating all the work I'd have to do to get one of these things for 'free'.  So far I'm in $25 and have two controllers.  If I drag them to Wal-Mart, I'll get $120 in store credit. (Though some of the PM offers have been humorous, thanks BYOAC)

That's a nice chunk off the price, but I'd be short a controller.   :'(

Coin Star is doing a $10 Toys R Us gift card for every $40 you put in there.  They take a roughly 8% cut if you convert coins into real money.  So if I went to the bank and got $4,000 in quarters I could theoretically run them through the machine and get one for $320 out of pocket or less if I find a place that doesn't screw you on fees.  Other option - put in $320 in $40 increments, convert to no fee $40 Toys R Us gift cards, collect $80 in bonus gift cards. 

Anyway, I'm chewing on it.  I'll figure a way to get this down to $200 eventually.

 :P

Did CoinStar get wise to the unplugging trick? Never tried it myself so I wouldn't know.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2013, 04:34:28 pm »
I looked that trick up.  Give me a break.  People will truly believe anything, won't they?


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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2013, 06:01:38 pm »
I looked that trick up.  Give me a break.  People will truly believe anything, won't they?

Now you know why I never tried it. Never found anyone successful at it.

Of course, I never really talk to any of my friends so.... yeah.... :dunno

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2013, 06:18:13 pm »
When I was a teenager, we used to have an automated soda bottle return machine at the local supermarket. (we pay deposit that we get back when we return them)

the machine would take the bottle, rotate it around and read the barcode... issue a credit equivalent to the bottle size. (20 cents for over a liter and 5 cents for a liter and under.) and then crushed the bottle and added it to a cube in the bottom of the machine. i'll be damned if i'm going to not screw this machine over....

printed out barcodes for a 2 liter bottle and taped them over the small bottle barcodes. BAM! 20 cents for small bottles  ;D a 300% profit!

good times, good times.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2013, 08:15:42 pm »
Worst we ever did on that front was fill empty cans with dirt and put them in those automated recycling machines.  Not worth the trouble.



Coin Star Toys R Us thing can be done over and over.  Go get $320 worth of quarters and let us know how it goes!


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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2013, 08:32:16 am »
I keep contemplating all the work I'd have to do to get one of these things for 'free'.  So far I'm in $25 and have two controllers.  If I drag them to Wal-Mart, I'll get $120 in store credit. (Though some of the PM offers have been humorous, thanks BYOAC)

That's a nice chunk off the price, but I'd be short a controller.   :'(

Coin Star is doing a $10 Toys R Us gift card for every $40 you put in there.  They take a roughly 8% cut if you convert coins into real money.  So if I went to the bank and got $4,000 in quarters I could theoretically run them through the machine and get one for $320 out of pocket or less if I find a place that doesn't screw you on fees.  Other option - put in $320 in $40 increments, convert to no fee $40 Toys R Us gift cards, collect $80 in bonus gift cards. 

Anyway, I'm chewing on it.  I'll figure a way to get this down to $200 eventually.

 :P

If you do that, I want pics.  You lugging 4000 bucks in quarters in a pillow sack is worth the price of an xbone alone. 

I'm sure there is a crazy way to get one for free/cheap, but I just don't have the energy for that anymore. 

I'm sure as hell not reselling them in ebay, that's down right immoral.  The law of supply and demand be damned, there are some actual children hoping to get consoles this holiday season and I couldn't sleep at night if I dried up the supply to make a quick buck.  Any price over the MSRP on a new product is scalping and there should really be laws against it. 

Back in the day I used to do those pyramid schemes..... I got a free ipod and a free zune that way, but it's just too much effort.  If there was a game on them I wanted to play I might go for it, but as it stands... meh...

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2013, 09:59:23 am »

I'd bet that the machine would fill up before you could get anything like that amount into it. 

It would probably be easier to forget the Coinstar and just get a casher job at that supermarket for a couple of weeks.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2013, 03:34:18 am »
I'm sure as hell not reselling them in ebay, that's down right immoral.  The law of supply and demand be damned, there are some actual children hoping to get consoles this holiday season and I couldn't sleep at night if I dried up the supply to make a quick buck.  Any price over the MSRP on a new product is scalping and there should really be laws against it.

I'm not sure how I would respond to that. So..

Here's who buys them
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/11/15

Here's who's going to play them after Christmas
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/12/02

Just teens and their relatively wealthy old dads. To that end, do you really give a ---fudgesicle--- if either one of those groups don't get a precious Xbone or PS4 for Christmas or price gouged for the next couple of months?

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2013, 06:04:01 am »
Yeah Nintendo is looking smarter and smarter this go around.  Even with the ridiculously high price tags, the next gen consoles only look marginally better than the Wii U/360/Ps3

I'm sure in the years to come the games will look better, but not right now anyway.

I don't think this is fair. The 360/PS3 generation definitely needed to be superseded - it's been going long enough and has been holding back PC gaming for about 5 years anyway due to games clearly designed primarily with the 360 in mind to save on development costs. The fact that the new generation presents largely cosmetic graphic upgrades is neither here nor there - if console gaming is going to progress there simply needs to be better units out there. Clearly the games won't mature to utilise the technology properly for a few years, but that's pretty much been the case in any generation.


Not sure why you think Nintendo's approach makes any more sense - it's just another console with last-generation technology relying on core franchises and gimmicky gadgets to appeal to the family market. And their sales figures indicate clearly that they've got things wrong this time round. Don't get me wrong, I love Mario and Zelda as much as the next guy, and Nintendo make damn fine games - but I can't justify buying a Wii U on those games alone, and it's a shame that 3rd party contributions don't seem to be of such high polish. One gets the impression 3rd parties are losing interest in the Wii U.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2013, 10:10:00 am »


Dealing with people from Craig's List is not an easy way to make money.

its easy when its something they CANT GET ELSEWHERE  like xbox mods..

I am like the only one around here knows it all. there is some asian on the other side of the city(4 hour round trip on the train) that can do the work too but he's deaf and cant speak either. my only real "competition" :burgerking:


as for ps4..yeah I will get it when mgs5 is out..otherwise I really dont care. I dont even play anything now anyway..

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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2013, 12:51:32 pm »
it's been going long enough and has been holding back PC gaming for about 5 years anyway due to games clearly designed primarily with the 360 in mind to save on development costs.

not really, PC games have chugged along just fine without consoles. if anything they delay releases to PC because they want their console to have the "exclusive" title.

Take a look at Planetside 2... on PC it's looks FABULOUS, plays pretty good... they released a version for consoles... it looks ridiculous, it plays ridiculous... no wonder console fanboys think PC gaming is ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, look at the entrails they have to slop up... the difference between them is HUGE.

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« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2013, 12:56:54 pm »
it's been going long enough and has been holding back PC gaming for about 5 years anyway due to games clearly designed primarily with the 360 in mind to save on development costs.

not really, PC games have chugged along just fine without consoles. if anything they delay releases to PC because they want their console to have the "exclusive" title.

Take a look at Planetside 2... on PC it's looks FABULOUS, plays pretty good... they released a version for consoles... it looks ridiculous, it plays ridiculous... no wonder console fanboys think PC gaming is ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, look at the entrails they have to slop up... the difference between them is HUGE.

Ok I was generalising - clearly there are games on PC that do take full advantage. But I think it's fair to say that the majority of the games that were developed for 360, PS3 and PC won't have been developed to take full advantage of what top-spec PCs can offer because it would be uneconomical to develop them that much further, not to mention an extended development cycles. I have a lot of games that were on Consoles on my 3 year old PC that still run like the wind on the highest settings because they simply don't need all that much to run, and my PC wasn't top of the line when I bought it either.

Also comparatively fewer games that are on consoles as well were made for the PC first.

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« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2013, 01:02:57 pm »
this is why they release "mods" for games like grand theft auto 4. it was crap to begin with and had to be patched to be better.

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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2013, 02:01:03 am »
I'm sure as hell not reselling them in ebay, that's down right immoral.  The law of supply and demand be damned, there are some actual children hoping to get consoles this holiday season and I couldn't sleep at night if I dried up the supply to make a quick buck.  Any price over the MSRP on a new product is scalping and there should really be laws against it.

I'm not sure how I would respond to that. So..

Here's who buys them
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/11/15

Here's who's going to play them after Christmas
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/12/02

Just teens and their relatively wealthy old dads. To that end, do you really give a ---fudgesicle--- if either one of those groups don't get a precious Xbone or PS4 for Christmas or price gouged for the next couple of months?

It sounds like you have been engaging in this immoral activity and are trying to justify it to yourself.  Truth be told there is probably an angel of a child somewhere and their parents have saved all year for the upcoming widget to be released.. which they can't afford... because some ass decided to scalp it. 

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2013, 02:23:41 am »
Yeah Nintendo is looking smarter and smarter this go around.  Even with the ridiculously high price tags, the next gen consoles only look marginally better than the Wii U/360/Ps3

I'm sure in the years to come the games will look better, but not right now anyway.

I don't think this is fair. The 360/PS3 generation definitely needed to be superseded - it's been going long enough and has been holding back PC gaming for about 5 years anyway due to games clearly designed primarily with the 360 in mind to save on development costs. The fact that the new generation presents largely cosmetic graphic upgrades is neither here nor there - if console gaming is going to progress there simply needs to be better units out there. Clearly the games won't mature to utilise the technology properly for a few years, but that's pretty much been the case in any generation.


Not sure why you think Nintendo's approach makes any more sense - it's just another console with last-generation technology relying on core franchises and gimmicky gadgets to appeal to the family market. And their sales figures indicate clearly that they've got things wrong this time round. Don't get me wrong, I love Mario and Zelda as much as the next guy, and Nintendo make damn fine games - but I can't justify buying a Wii U on those games alone, and it's a shame that 3rd party contributions don't seem to be of such high polish. One gets the impression 3rd parties are losing interest in the Wii U.

If they can't release the new console at a reasonable price point for the very modest performance increase you'll get then no, it isn't time for a release.  I've got a feeling M$ and Sony are going to see this.  I know when the 360 was released you couldn't find one... I strolled into my local Kmart the other day and they still had their entire stock of Xbones remaining.  Ditto at my local Walmart.....  So they aren't selling out either, it isn't just the Wii U (which is actually selling pretty well now.) 

Mind you they have to be released sometime, but that doesn't mean you have to buy them yet.

PC gaming is pretty much dead except for those unique genres that are better suited for the pc.  If you look at the xbox/ps2 generation, virtually nothing worth mentioning was released for the pc... if anything the 360 SAVED pc gaming.  The fact that absolutely nobody makes AAA pc exclusives anymore (with the exception of WOW and those games) is kind of proof of that.  The "PC master race" was a thing of the early to mid 90's when pcs were dramatically more powerful than game consoles... this just isn't the case anymore.

Nintendo did the smart approach because their console is the cheapest and yet it is actually a graphically competitive this time around as well.  Now that the only alternatives are a 400 dollar console and 500 dollar console, neither of which even come with a game to play, the wii u is going to pick up steam, especially for the younger generations.  You must have an odd or biased perspective because in an generation with a mandatory Kinect and the other two companies talking more about media streaming and smart glass and vita functionality, and tv interconnectivity I've got to think that the Wii U is the most practical and least gimmicky console of the three.  It plays games.... all of it's heavily advertised features compliment gaming.  Yes it has a touch screen on the controller... which is very practical once you spend some time with it.  I know Pikmin 3 would be virtually unplayable without it and the nunchuck/wiimote combo and it's quite a conservative game.

I mean the DS and the "doomed" 3DS (LOL idiot reactionists) have two screens and they sell circles around any gaming system, so it's only logical to give their home console a second screen to tap into that sort of gameplay.

Regardless of this, thus far the cheapest console of a generation always wins the war.  Sometimes they start off with slow sales, sometimes they explode like the Wii, and sometimes they just have steady consistent sales, but thus far they always win. 

I'm not trying to bash your opinion... but you did ask why... so I'm telling you.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2013, 03:43:19 am »
My big excitement is The Division! The problem with this trailer you showed is that it isn't actual gameplay footage. I'm intrigued!! I'd like to see more...

The trailer is apparently generated solely with the game engine, so you can see exactly what sort of game is coming, if not the actual gameplay. Now I think about it though, it took until 'The Last of Us' before I really felt compelled to get the PS3, so maybe it won't be this game, but The Order:1888...


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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
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If they can't release the new console at a reasonable price point for the very modest performance increase you'll get then no, it isn't time for a release.  I've got a feeling M$ and Sony are going to see this.  I know when the 360 was released you couldn't find one... I strolled into my local Kmart the other day and they still had their entire stock of Xbones remaining.  Ditto at my local Walmart.....  So they aren't selling out either, it isn't just the Wii U (which is actually selling pretty well now.) 

Mind you they have to be released sometime, but that doesn't mean you have to buy them yet.

PC gaming is pretty much dead except for those unique genres that are better suited for the pc.  If you look at the xbox/ps2 generation, virtually nothing worth mentioning was released for the pc... if anything the 360 SAVED pc gaming.  The fact that absolutely nobody makes AAA pc exclusives anymore (with the exception of WOW and those games) is kind of proof of that.  The "PC master race" was a thing of the early to mid 90's when pcs were dramatically more powerful than game consoles... this just isn't the case anymore.

Nintendo did the smart approach because their console is the cheapest and yet it is actually a graphically competitive this time around as well.  Now that the only alternatives are a 400 dollar console and 500 dollar console, neither of which even come with a game to play, the wii u is going to pick up steam, especially for the younger generations.  You must have an odd or biased perspective because in an generation with a mandatory Kinect and the other two companies talking more about media streaming and smart glass and vita functionality, and tv interconnectivity I've got to think that the Wii U is the most practical and least gimmicky console of the three.  It plays games.... all of it's heavily advertised features compliment gaming.  Yes it has a touch screen on the controller... which is very practical once you spend some time with it.  I know Pikmin 3 would be virtually unplayable without it and the nunchuck/wiimote combo and it's quite a conservative game.

I mean the DS and the "doomed" 3DS (LOL idiot reactionists) have two screens and they sell circles around any gaming system, so it's only logical to give their home console a second screen to tap into that sort of gameplay.

Regardless of this, thus far the cheapest console of a generation always wins the war.  Sometimes they start off with slow sales, sometimes they explode like the Wii, and sometimes they just have steady consistent sales, but thus far they always win. 

I'm not trying to bash your opinion... but you did ask why... so I'm telling you.

No that's cool, I enjoy the discussion! It's interesting seeing how opinions differ. However!

First off, I still totally agree there's little point buying the consoles now, though it's not so much because I think the consoles are expensive. If you take a look at the following page, you can see that, adjusted for inflation, the current console prices are really pretty reasonable:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/are-the-ps4-and-xbox-one-really-that-expensive-historically/

(How insane is it to think that an Intellivision costs the equivalent of $850??). Besides, you won't see either of the new consoles releases reach their full potential for probably a few years, so why not wait for a price drop? (Note that the PS4 is currently only $50 more than the Wii U.)

Second, the "PC gaming is dead" argument has been thrown around for so long now I don't even know when it started; yet look at a company like Steam. You could hardly say that's a company that's not doing well for itself, least of all when it wants to bring a "PC console" into the living room now; PC gaming must have legs if they intend to do that, surely. I'm not saying it's as big s consoles - of course not - but it's not something publishers will be ignoring. Not forgetting that the x86 architecture of the latest consoles apparently lends itself much more to cross-platform development and makes developing a hell of a lot easier for consoles AND PC (something that may arguably kill the future of the console off, if this article is to be believed - http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/172221-the-ps4-and-xbox-one-how-this-generations-homogeneity-could-kill-the-game-console). The PS3 was famously nightmarish to develop for for a long while until presumably developers got the hang of it, and is why most games made for both consoles never really looked much better than they should have on the technically superior PS3 (capabilities-wise, that is). But in short, PCs certainly aren't the master race they once were, but nor are they a market worth ignoring, least of all with the current indie scene and Steams Greenlight program providing a relatively easy way into the industry for new developers.

Third, the Wii U really isn't that cheap for what it purports to do (talking of "modest" increases, it really isn't that much of a step up from what the 360 and PS3 were capable of, just as the Wii was barely a souped up GAmecube), and that second screen hasn't really been used to its full capability by anyone aside from Nintendo. Apparently the Wii U has sold less consoles in a year than Sony and Microsoft did in 48 hours. If the following article is to believed, even the new release of (yet another, if apparently amazing) Mario game hasn't helped all that much:

http://bgr.com/2013/11/21/wii-u-sales-analysis/

(Note the 600,000 Mario game units in that article refer to the New Super Mario Bros game, not the latest release).

I'm sure the Wii U touch pad can do some amazing things, and the idea of taking it into another room to carry on your game is great (if really just a luxury), but it's not really revolutionising gaming either. And if the Vita and SmartGlass end up being used for much the same functionality then nor is it even that unique a selling point any more. Sony and Microsoft are clearly doing these things to compete with Nintendo, but frankly if they succeed then at what point does that Wii U touchpad become a device seller, something Nintendo seem to be hedging their bets on given how much prominence it's given? Besides all this, the cynic in me looks at the Wii U and thinks: "Did Nintendo just see how well the iPad was doing and think they'd capitalise on some of that that tablet-buzz??"

The Wii U needs to rely on the relatively uninformed family/children market to do as well as its predecessor, and if they can sort there marketing strategy out then it can definitely be huge. But it's a bit of a confused mess at the moment and fundamentally not doing as well as its predecessor did (http://www.gengame.net/2013/12/reggie-fils-aime-consumer-confusion-over-wii-u-has-been-largely-addressed/). And there must be thousands of people who never owned a console and now have a Wii collecting dust after they bought it amidst all the media hype one Christmas and then never did anything on it beyond play Wii Sports (still the best-"selling" game on that device simply because it was bundled with the console - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#Wii).

I'm really not trying to sound biased - I actually want a Wii U! (but then I want all the consoles) - this is just what I've made of the whole situation over the last year or so. My opinion of it isn't so much bias as canvassing opinions from various new feeds and seeing what sort of stories keep popping up.

Just a quick point about the DS/3DS - the DS certainly sold super well, but I see most people on my commute into work playing on an iPhone/Android these days. I'll be interested to see how portable console gaming fares in the future! (I sure hope it survives - iPhone gaming is massively lacking for my tastes.)

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2013, 11:52:20 am »
I'm sure as hell not reselling them in ebay, that's down right immoral.  The law of supply and demand be damned, there are some actual children hoping to get consoles this holiday season and I couldn't sleep at night if I dried up the supply to make a quick buck.  Any price over the MSRP on a new product is scalping and there should really be laws against it.

I'm not sure how I would respond to that. So..

Here's who buys them
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/11/15

Here's who's going to play them after Christmas
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/12/02

Just teens and their relatively wealthy old dads. To that end, do you really give a ---fudgesicle--- if either one of those groups don't get a precious Xbone or PS4 for Christmas or price gouged for the next couple of months?

It sounds like you have been engaging in this immoral activity and are trying to justify it to yourself.  Truth be told there is probably an angel of a child somewhere and their parents have saved all year for the upcoming widget to be released.. which they can't afford... because some ass decided to scalp it.

Are you living in an idealistic world where there is plenty for all and everyone gets what they want? ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- doesn't happen like that and saying that things should be one way but not doing anything about it is typical of other like-minded morons. By facing that reality, does that mean that I take part in that kind of behavior? That's laughable. Does that mean that I like how that is? Of course not. You need to get off your high horse, it's dead and the flies are obscuring your view. It's a ---smurfing--- game system, no child, angel or otherwise, is going to die an early death because they didn't get the latest console for Christmas.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2013, 03:39:17 pm »
So we have two consoles that coders have experience on, that we gamers had to wait until they (the coders) cut their teeth on and had to learn how to squeeze out performance.  Now we have to endure this all over again with a new console?  Where are all these dream games that the PS3 and the 360 is capable of?  Is it just GTA5?

I think the 360 and the PS3 has about three more years of life yet, especially if the game mechanics are decent enough.

The PS2 had a lot more life in the console when the PS3 came out.
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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2013, 04:00:19 pm »
I think the 360 and the PS3 has about three more years of life yet, especially if the game mechanics are decent enough.

This is so true. I almost think that new games are going more downhill than up. I mean, Sleeping Dogs is a great, modern beat 'em up. Throw in an open world, and half decent story, and bam you have a game that is better than many. But then you add in a crummy driving aspect, mandatory racing, really bad gunplay, plot twists you could see from a mile away, and it drags the good stuff down. I wish games would just do a few things, and do them well instead of one game that does everything.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2013, 06:44:04 pm »
So we have two consoles that coders have experience on, that we gamers had to wait until they (the coders) cut their teeth on and had to learn how to squeeze out performance.  Now we have to endure this all over again with a new console?  Where are all these dream games that the PS3 and the 360 is capable of?  Is it just GTA5?

I think the 360 and the PS3 has about three more years of life yet, especially if the game mechanics are decent enough.

The PS2 had a lot more life in the console when the PS3 came out.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2013, 06:58:49 pm »
Personally, I have no moral or ethical qualms with scalping.  Video game consoles are toys.  Luxuries.  Pure and simple.  If a family has to "Scrimp and save" all year so little Johnny can have an Xbone then I guarantee that is money that would have a better use and I have no problems charging more than they can pay.  Little Johnny can't get a Rolex either.  So instead of getting an Xbone and some lame ass launch title, they can go buy a shiny new 360/PS3 and a dozen freaking games for the same money.

No justifications needed.  I simply don't see the problem.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2013, 05:15:12 pm »
Oh so you guys have the argument that poor kids don't deserve nice toys.  Real nice guys, real nice. 

Anyone who has no problems with scalping either haven't been a victim of it, do it themselves, or aren't concerned with the happiness of others.  Pick one of the three. 

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2013, 05:30:34 pm »
Welcome to capitalism.  The almighty dollar > *       :banghead:
 

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Re: Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2013, 06:47:22 pm »
So we have two consoles that coders have experience on, that we gamers had to wait until they (the coders) cut their teeth on and had to learn how to squeeze out performance.  Now we have to endure this all over again with a new console?  Where are all these dream games that the PS3 and the 360 is capable of?  Is it just GTA5?

I think the 360 and the PS3 has about three more years of life yet, especially if the game mechanics are decent enough.

The PS2 had a lot more life in the console when the PS3 came out.

Well you're right about there being more life in the 360/PS4 yet, but you should have more hope for the new gen - the x86 architecture they're based on will be easier to code for across platforms. All we need now is a gaming public who demand better games beyond Call of Duty shooters and Grand Theft Auto clones.

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Re: What might convince me to buy a PS4
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2013, 06:53:53 pm »
Oh so you guys have the argument that poor kids don't deserve nice toys.  Real nice guys, real nice. 

Anyone who has no problems with scalping either haven't been a victim of it, do it themselves, or aren't concerned with the happiness of others.  Pick one of the three.

Let me guess? Is poor little Howard a victim of scalping? Didn't get that NES that first week?  :laugh2:

Here it is. There are more important things to worry about than Little Johnny getting a $500 console for Christmas. So Johnny is disappointed in his dad, so ---smurfing--- what? Dad needs to do a better job with his kids expectations. Scalpers aren't going to be doing that sort of thing for more than a few months. Wait till Johnny's birthday, boom! scalp problem solved.

In addition, no child. Anywhere. Ever. Has ever suffered a debilitating mental break down or died because mom or dad was unable to get the latest game console. PERIOD. Furthermore, the happiness of your hypothetical "angel child" is not going to be shattered for want of the latest console.

Go find some other moral argument to fight. You're just fighting a loosing battle. 
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