Author Topic: Scratch Build: Star Wars Cockpit 'Rebel Edition' (Read 98575 times)

Maximus · « **Reply #160 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:25:42 pm »

A solid 5v on the board

Also 12v line looks good.

I have these lights that stay on after a quick boot

And the three lights to the bottom right come on at boot then go off quite quickly

I have a solid single LED on the AVG board

mcseforsale · « **Reply #161 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:27:36 pm »

Wow, an LED. Maybe since some come on and then off, you'll need to check the entire string, like Clark W. Griswold. It is pretty old.

AJ

Quote from: Maximus on July 31, 2013, 01:25:42 pm

A solid 5v on the board

Also 12v line looks good.

I have these lights that stay on after a quick boot

And the three lights to the bottom right come on at boot then go off quite quickly

I have a solid single LED on the AVG board

Maximus · « **Reply #162 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:28:37 pm »

Hrmmm now after moving the board all lights are on all the time

mcseforsale · « **Reply #163 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:33:03 pm »

See?

Quote from: Maximus on July 31, 2013, 01:28:37 pm

Hrmmm now after moving the board all lights are on all the time

Maximus · « **Reply #164 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:45:28 pm »

Yep put it all back in the chassis and it looks like all lights are solid now

mcseforsale · « **Reply #165 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:47:30 pm »

Sounds like Ellen unplugged it in the garage.

AJ

Quote from: Maximus on July 31, 2013, 01:45:28 pm

Yep put it all back in the chassis and it looks like all lights are solid now

Maximus · « **Reply #166 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:53:02 pm »

WTF are you flapping your cockholster about?

mcseforsale · « **Reply #167 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:55:48 pm »

X-mas Vacation. cockholster? I'm stealing that.

AJ

Quote from: Maximus on July 31, 2013, 01:53:02 pm

WTF are you flapping your cockholster about?

Maximus · « **Reply #168 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:00:25 pm »

Ahhhh ok. Nope not watched that can't stand that national lampoon crap

jdbailey1206 · « **Reply #169 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:13:23 pm »

Quote from: Maximus on July 31, 2013, 02:00:25 pm

Ahhhh ok. Nope not watched that can't stand that national lampoon crap

Maximus · « **Reply #170 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:34:07 pm »

Well that fun didn't last long the ar2 is cooking like an egg, rebuilt ---my bottom---. Grrrrrrrrr

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #171 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:36:28 pm »

Quote from: Maximus on July 31, 2013, 02:34:07 pm

Well that fun didn't last long the ar2 is cooking like an egg, rebuilt ---my bottom---. Grrrrrrrrr

Did you do the sense mod to it?

Maximus · « **Reply #172 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:42:18 pm »

I bought it rebuilt (supposedly) what is the sense mod

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #173 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:49:06 pm »

Quote from: Maximus on July 31, 2013, 02:42:18 pm

I bought it rebuilt (supposedly) what is the sense mod

http://www.stickycarpet.com/pinx/ar2mods.html

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #174 on:** July 31, 2013, 02:50:15 pm »

Also:

http://bitslicer.tripod.com/ar_sense_mod.htm

Maximus · « **Reply #175 on:** July 31, 2013, 05:13:48 pm »

Thanks I will check those out. Feeling a bit overwhelmed by all this old tech so I'm going to go and work on the alchemy VPin for a while to clear my head

ChadTower · « **Reply #176 on:** August 01, 2013, 09:47:53 am »

Which part of the AR smoked? That will tell you where to start debugging. It's very possible the AR was good and the problem was excessive draw from the boards. Are the +/-12, +5, and GND lines on the connectors and edge contacts clean? The fact that it smoked itself without the monitor plugged in points to those circuits.

IIRC, you can bench test an ARII without any draw on it, but one of the larger voltages will read as half at the test points. 36v, maybe? I forget off the top of my head.

Maximus · « **Reply #177 on:** August 01, 2013, 05:47:35 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on August 01, 2013, 09:47:53 am

Which part of the AR smoked? That will tell you where to start debugging. It's very possible the AR was good and the problem was excessive draw from the boards. Are the +/-12, +5, and GND lines on the connectors and edge contacts clean? The fact that it smoked itself without the monitor plugged in points to those circuits.

IIRC, you can bench test an ARII without any draw on it, but one of the larger voltages will read as half at the test points. 36v, maybe? I forget off the top of my head.

It seemed to be the large resistor??? in the middle of the heatsink.

ionbasa · « **Reply #178 on:** August 03, 2013, 03:11:00 am »

Regarding the r2 -d2 dome possibly moving randomly and having sounds look here:
http://astromech.net/droidwiki/index.php?title=Dome_And_Sound_Automation_Tutorial
http://astromech.net/droidwiki/index.php?title=Dome_Controller_Tutorial

Astromech Forum: http://astromech.net/
These guys are known as the R2 Builders Club. They are a good bunch of people, they also have a yahoo group if you want to join in! (they also do alot of charity work for local hospitals, etc.)

There are 2-3 people in the community that produce R2 domes either out of aluminum or plastic composite if I recall correctly.

If you want to see a complete working r2-d2 I recommend you visit this page: http://vfranco.blogspot.com/ (lots of useful info).

Maximus · « **Reply #179 on:** August 05, 2013, 09:00:20 pm »

Finally all the repro Amplifone boards and custom transformers are here from Dez. I have a lot of work ahead with this, I'll be covering this on the dedicated thread I have over at KLOV for the monitor build.

jennifer · « **Reply #180 on:** August 05, 2013, 09:24:10 pm »

Why at the KLOV?... I want to see too.

PL1 · « **Reply #181 on:** August 05, 2013, 09:51:49 pm »

The KLOV thread is here.

BTW Maximus posts as Griffin on KLOV -- the Paperboy avatar is the dead giveaway.

Scott

Maximus · « **Reply #182 on:** August 05, 2013, 10:01:12 pm »

Quote from: jennifer on August 05, 2013, 09:24:10 pm

Why at the KLOV?... I want to see too.

I think you're allowed to go there.

jennifer · « **Reply #183 on:** August 05, 2013, 11:58:55 pm »

Oh all right, But just because I am way curious about this build, (Question) Why diddnt you you go with a cherry masters chassis, and opt for building this from scratch? ...EDIT... After multiple log in attempts @ the other site, Jennifer has been denied acess, (Their loss I guess)
Good luck with your project anyway.

ChadTower · « **Reply #184 on:** August 06, 2013, 10:36:12 am »

Whoa dude... You really are jumping into the deep ass water here. Hope it works out for you.

Where did you get those boards? I didn't know anyone had reproed Amplifone boards.

Maximus · « **Reply #185 on:** August 06, 2013, 11:17:26 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on August 06, 2013, 10:36:12 am

Whoa dude... You really are jumping into the deep ass water here. Hope it works out for you.

Where did you get those boards? I didn't know anyone had reproed Amplifone boards.

Aye I'm a sucker for punishment. Dezbaz over at KLOV does all the boards

Maximus · « **Reply #186 on:** August 06, 2013, 02:50:18 pm »

Quote from: jennifer on August 05, 2013, 11:58:55 pm

(Question) Why diddnt you you go with a cherry masters chassis, and opt for building this from scratch?

I have no idea what that is, but that's not a surprise, there's a lot I don't know.

TopJimmyCooks · « **Reply #187 on:** August 06, 2013, 02:54:16 pm »

I guess the displays from a cherry master fruit machine (gambling/vid slots) has chassis parts that are interchangeable with the Amp tube you have? seems weird to me - were any fruit machines vector display? I'm past my limit of knowledge. maybe Jennifer or somebody else up on vector displays can shed some light.

jennifer · « **Reply #188 on:** August 06, 2013, 04:53:39 pm »

No not me... But apparently you can count the neck pins, and take a vertical yoke resistance, and have a sutible chassis made from 8 liners, For any tv tube, The vector is where I get lost on this project though, that would probibally wind up going though a converter of some kind... But my worry @ this point is Color monitors got away from XY, so what Im asking is why diddnt you go with a B/w tube to start with?... Who put you up to this, and told you it is possible? EDIT.. Ah, is the Klov guys, ok Ill try login again.

ChadTower · « **Reply #189 on:** August 07, 2013, 10:50:35 am »

He doesn't have an amp tube. He has a TV tube with a compatible deflection angle and neck pinout. The yoke isn't going to be quite the same and even a pro will have trouble getting the convergence just right. I've seen TV swapped tubes in a 25" amp before. The SW cockpit at Funspot in NH has one. It's good but it's not perfect and that was a really good tech doing the work with a real amp chassis.

jennifer, why on Earth would he be trying to put a bw tube into an amplifone chassis on a Star Wars boardset? Amps are color monitors and SW is a color game.

TJC, I've never heard of a cherry chassis being usable on a vector monitor. That doesn't mean it can't be done, of course, but I've never heard of it being done. AFAIK those are only raster and even then they're only mostly compatible with the usual WG monitors.

Maximus · « **Reply #190 on:** August 07, 2013, 11:31:32 am »

Quote from: ChadTower on August 07, 2013, 10:50:35 am

He doesn't have an amp tube. He has a TV tube with a compatible deflection angle and neck pinout. The yoke isn't going to be quite the same and even a pro will have trouble getting the convergence just right. I've seen TV swapped tubes in a 25" amp before. The SW cockpit at Funspot in NH has one. It's good but it's not perfect and that was a really good tech doing the work with a real amp chassis.

While I don't doubt any of this as being true and know that I have a complicated and scary road ahead, I wanted to clarify a few things.

The tube. From the research I have done so far, I understand that this tube serial #A63AAX02X is actually the exact same tube that Zenith produced and was used in the 25" AMP monitor. It has a single digit different from the serial #A63AAX00X of the tubes used in the AMPs which apparently only refers to the position and angle of the mounting brackets.

The Yoke. I will be using the yoke from a Wells Gardner 19K6100 Quadrascan Color XY Monitor. although it is from a 19" monitor it is also suitable for the 25" tube in this circumstance. This will be coupled with Dezbaz's neck board and an new AMP replacement flyback.

The Boards.
Dezbaz's AMP boards are faithful reproductions of the original HV and Deflection boards. He has made several modifications to the original deign to make them more bulletproof and accommodate some of the mods that the community has embraced over the years. He uses upgraded components wherever possible, and for a few that no longer exist he has even gone to the lengths of hand making some reproduction parts (See the small transformers in the picture). I've even purchased a few reproduction heat sinks for the boards that were custom made by Takeman over at KLOV (Also in the picture).

So there you go. Will it be easy, I seriously doubt it, but I am following in the footsteps of others that have already blazed this trail and I've got great support in the likes of Dez and Pat Danis from vectorlist so hopefully I can be successful.

Jigenjuke · « **Reply #191 on:** August 07, 2013, 07:38:30 pm »

Quote from: Maximus on August 07, 2013, 11:31:32 am

Quote from: ChadTower on August 07, 2013, 10:50:35 am
He doesn't have an amp tube. He has a TV tube with a compatible deflection angle and neck pinout. The yoke isn't going to be quite the same and even a pro will have trouble getting the convergence just right. I've seen TV swapped tubes in a 25" amp before. The SW cockpit at Funspot in NH has one. It's good but it's not perfect and that was a really good tech doing the work with a real amp chassis.

While I don't doubt any of this as being true and know that I have a complicated and scary road ahead, I wanted to clarify a few things.

The tube. From the research I have done so far, I understand that this tube serial #A63AAX02X is actually the exact same tube that Zenith produced and was used in the 25" AMP monitor. It has a single digit different from the serial #A63AAX00X of the tubes used in the AMPs which apparently only refers to the position and angle of the mounting brackets.

The Yoke. I will be using the yoke from a Wells Gardner 19K6100 Quadrascan Color XY Monitor. although it is from a 19" monitor it is also suitable for the 25" tube in this circumstance. This will be coupled with Dezbaz's neck board and an new AMP replacement flyback.

The Boards.
Dezbaz's AMP boards are faithful reproductions of the original HV and Deflection boards. He has made several modifications to the original deign to make them more bulletproof and accommodate some of the mods that the community has embraced over the years. He uses upgraded components wherever possible, and for a few that no longer exist he has even gone to the lengths of hand making some reproduction parts (See the small transformers in the picture). I've even purchased a few reproduction heat sinks for the boards that were custom made by Takeman over at KLOV (Also in the picture).

So there you go. Will it be easy, I seriously doubt it, but I am following in the footsteps of others that have already blazed this trail and I've got great support in the likes of Dez and Pat Danis from vectorlist so hopefully I can be successful.

Max, I say bedamned the naysayers and full speed ahead

. Looking forward to seeing this develop.

Jigenjuke

May the Force be with you, always...

or

May the Swartz be with you, always...

PL1 · « **Reply #192 on:** August 07, 2013, 08:29:40 pm »

Quote from: Jigenjuke on August 07, 2013, 07:38:30 pm

Max, I say bedamned the naysayers and full speed ahead .

You might want to read up on his diode board woes before you recommend full speed.

I'm sure he can finish it quite quickly and still observe the posted speed limits.

Scott

jennifer · « **Reply #193 on:** August 08, 2013, 04:14:47 am »

Re ChadTower: Oh, I guess I thought that was a B/w game, And consequently that would have been an odd choice of monitor.... I am quite curious about this project and just wanted to get all the facts before it got underway, apparently Jennifer already missed out on the groundbreaking research and parts selection.

jennifer · « **Reply #194 on:** August 08, 2013, 12:27:52 pm »

Btw... who is Dez?, those look like nice boards, one of a kind? (in that case maybe you should scan them) or are they available?
And to populate them is everything avalible, Jennifer has piles of old chassis, and crates of NOS if this becomes a problem. Its a big mess however and takes me awhile to find stuff.

Maximus · « **Reply #195 on:** August 08, 2013, 12:30:57 pm »

DezBaz is the username on KLOV, he's in Australia, he makes the boards and various other bits and pieces. He provides a parts list for you to get all the components from your favorite supplier, I got 90% of the components from Mouser and then some other bits and pieces I had to hunt around here and there.

Here's Dez's web site

http://www.amazingarcading.com.au/

Maximus · « **Reply #196 on:** August 19, 2013, 05:30:11 pm »

Getting ready to attack the AMP deflection and HV boards

Deflection first

CoryBee · « **Reply #197 on:** August 19, 2013, 05:45:35 pm »

Quote from: Maximus on August 19, 2013, 05:30:11 pm

That looks like a lot of fun (no joke I love soldering)

Maximus · « **Reply #198 on:** August 19, 2013, 05:56:22 pm »

It's a nice big board so the soldering will be fun to do, I just have to really take my time and make sure everything goes in the right spot.

Maximus · « **Reply #199 on:** August 19, 2013, 11:41:31 pm »

Caps & diodes done. So far so good


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