New Spidey Trailer

[Green Giant]

No, thats the thing. He isnt lame, writers make him lame. The idea, and the comics, are awesome. Are you going based solely on the films? Superman is the quintessential hero. If it wasnt for him, there wouldnt be others. He is the first, and among the best. Aside from Batman, and Captain America, name some heroes before him? Hercules? Cmon.

Mandrake the Magician would like to have a word with you.

[shmokes]

None of that makes sense at all. You're just making blanket statements. As though by simply using the word "can't" you make it so. You "can't" do this. You "should NEVER" do that. You've offered nothing whatsoever to justify these axioms of yours.

Anyway, both Batman Begins and Dark Knight, but especially Dark Knight, had pretty well developed plots. Batman Begins' plot focused on the emotional trauma and training and characters that led to the development of Batman. That's a pretty compelling story there. It's downright laughable that you are criticizing the route Nolan took in favor of what any writer worth his salt knows is an incredibly lazy way out. It would somehow be better for a character to go away for twenty years and then suddenly return with magical, unexplained abilities. Well, that would be very convenient, yes. It also smacks of Michael Bay.

And hell, take off all the makeup and costumes and Dark Knight would have been a crime drama to make Scorsese proud.

Batman Begins and Dark Knight were both excellent films in their own right. I think if you were being honest with yourself you'd realize that your only complaint is that you are a big fan of the source material.

[Mikezilla]

No, thats the thing. He isnt lame, writers make him lame.

At risk of being that guy who spoils Santa Clause . . . um . . . Superman isn't a real person. He's fiction, i.e., created by writers. He is what he is written to be. I already cataloged what it is about him that makes him such a boring, two-dimensional character. It's not the movies. It's his stable of powers and lack of serious threats to his safety that make him suck. That he was the first, well, he has historical significance. I'll give him that. But if you are that concerned with the first, perhaps you should give up your iPhone and carry one of these instead:

You dont need to patronize me, I know that he is fiction. There is one thing to be created by someone, then to have that property mucked up by some writers. This thread devolved into batman and superman, but what we were talking about were some writers rendition of spiderman. Youre not getting what Im saying. Some writers had their take on batman in 1989, and 1997, that horrible abortion of a movie called Batman and Robin is a prime example of writers ---smurfing--- things up. His stable of powers are awesome. You should read Kingdom Come, then we can come back to this thread. Or Red Sun.

The phone analogy is terrible. They tried to update Superman before, and it failed. See the blue electric costume. You dont need to change the character, why do you think he has been around for so long?

And Howard, regarding the Batman movies... I am a fan of the original Tim Burton Batman, thats MY Batman, but to say that the new ones arent good, its kinda ridiculous. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but cmon. Granted there are things about the new one I dont like, the bat emblem on the costume, the bat mobile etc... But the reasoning as to WHY he IS Batman, is amazing. The whole fear aspect from the first one is gold. I would say Batman Begins, along side Unbreakable, is probably the best comic book movie out there.

[Howard_Casto]

And hell, take off all the makeup and costumes and Dark Knight would have been a crime drama to make Scorsese proud.

Batman Begins and Dark Knight were both excellent films in their own right. I think if you were being honest with yourself you'd realize that your only complaint is that you are a big fan of the source material.

And that right there is the problem.  You just admitted with those very words that they are NOT Batman films.  I'm a huge opponent of using a franchise as cheap publicity to promote a miedocre film.  And that is what is going on right here.  There isn't any "treatment" to a property... it is either faithful to the source material or it isn't.  If it isn't then the only reason to use the franchises name is to boost the sales of a story that doesn't have a leg to stand on by itself. 

There's no such thing as a good crime drama btw.... those are for screwed up little boys that somehow found something likeable in villianous monsters like gangsters. 

[Le Chuck]

And hell, take off all the makeup and costumes and Dark Knight would have been a crime drama to make Scorsese proud.

Batman Begins and Dark Knight were both excellent films in their own right. I think if you were being honest with yourself you'd realize that your only complaint is that you are a big fan of the source material.

And that right there is the problem.  You just admitted with those very words that they are NOT Batman films.  I'm a huge opponent of using a franchise as cheap publicity to promote a miedocre film.  And that is what is going on right here.  There isn't any "treatment" to a property... it is either faithful to the source material or it isn't.  If it isn't then the only reason to use the franchises name is to boost the sales of a story that doesn't have a leg to stand on by itself. 

There's no such thing as a good crime drama btw.... those are for screwed up little boys that somehow found something likeable in villianous monsters like gangsters. 

Oh come off it Howard, the exact same thing can be said of the Batman comics, and often has been in form of high praise.  At it's root Batman has always been a crime novel rather than a super hero novel.  We got it that you don't like the films but you don't have to try and gainsay every legitimate opinion and try to pigeon hole us into your twisted world view man.

And I'm going to assume your last line was self depricating humor because if it wasn't you are totaly delusional. 

[shmokes]

You dont need to patronize me, I know that he is fiction. 

Okay, granted, I wasn't very nice about that and I apologize. But I had already listed the things that make Superman suck as a protagonist and they are his fundamenatal qualities that transcend any writing from any particular periods of time. The things that make Superman suck are the fundamental things that make Superman Superman.

[dre-w]

I remember reading online somewhere when the reboot was first announced that the reason for it was something about a script was thrown out, another one made, toby didn't like it/didn't want to do it, and sony had a certain amount of time to do something with spiderman or else they'd lose the rights.. So they went with a reboot

Yeah thats partially because of it, and also the choice of villains Raimi wanted to do, the studio (mainly Avi Arad) thought the villains were stupid.

Nah I'm pretty sure that's the main reason..  If they had a longer window I bet they would've went with a 3rd script just to keep the OG Tobey. 

I'm curious, what were the stupid villains they had chosen?  I'm sure they weren't as bad as sandman..  I mean he was cool in the comic but man they really messed him up in the 3rd..  but yeh other than that, idk call me crazy,  I kinda liked it.  And I thought it was pretty bad ass when Spiderman went all fashioncore for a minute.  Everyone hates that part except me 

[Mikezilla]

You dont need to patronize me, I know that he is fiction. 

Okay, granted, I wasn't very nice about that and I apologize. But I had already listed the things that make Superman suck as a protagonist and they are his fundamenatal qualities that transcend any writing from any particular periods of time. The things that make Superman suck are the fundamental things that make Superman Superman.

Apology accepted.  Like I said, I get what you are saying, and typically the writers that are currently writing the stories make Superman the base of the story, but the rest of the characters make it more dynamic. Read Red Son, Kingdom Come, and Hush. Those are 3 examples of what a Superman story is, how he can be more "dymnamic", and how he can be a tool. After reading those, then maybe we will have a better conversation. 

I remember reading online somewhere when the reboot was first announced that the reason for it was something about a script was thrown out, another one made, toby didn't like it/didn't want to do it, and sony had a certain amount of time to do something with spiderman or else they'd lose the rights.. So they went with a reboot

Yeah thats partially because of it, and also the choice of villains Raimi wanted to do, the studio (mainly Avi Arad) thought the villains were stupid.

Nah I'm pretty sure that's the main reason..  If they had a longer window I bet they would've went with a 3rd script just to keep the OG Tobey. 

I'm curious, what were the stupid villains they had chosen?  I'm sure they weren't as bad as sandman..  I mean he was cool in the comic but man they really messed him up in the 3rd..  but yeh other than that, idk call me crazy,  I kinda liked it.  And I thought it was pretty bad ass when Spiderman went all fashioncore for a minute.  Everyone hates that part except me 

They were going to be the Vulture, and his daughter the Vultress (made just for the movie). The Vulture is ridiculously stupid. I dont see how a "villain" like that could be a spidey regular for over 40 years. They screwed Sandman up, yeah the effects were cool. And yes, you were the ONLY one that thought that scene was cool 

[Gray_Area]

At risk of being that guy who spoils Santa Clause . . . um . . . Superman isn't a real person. He's fiction, i.e., created by writers. He is what he is written to be.

Well, that's the whole thing. Fiction is imagination. Ultimately, I stopped reading comics, and started reading books a lot more, because there's far better writing, characterization....everything.

I think special features show a lot of behind the scenes things about the actors you wouldn't otherwise see. Ditto on many Tonight Show appearances in recent times, because they don't hold back much...sometimes at all. Which brings us to the Cruise exultation: who cares? I'm glad he came out and said whatever he wanted to say. Everyone should, always.

Ditto on Burton's Batman. Serious while otherwordly. 'Returns' was just bad.

And I think the voice on BB and The Dark Knight was electronic filter.

And, fashioncore? The night club thing? I thought it was delightfully nasty for such a PG character.

[Well Fed Games]

I can't wait till Dark Knight Rises, I love those flicks. Best thing to happen to Batman since the animated series (of course, the Rocksteady-developed games were kick-ass too...).

[Vigo]

Just saw this in the drive-in the other day. The movie wasn't bad, but it was just totally unnecessary. There really was no major innovation in the plot, it was just a cash grab. I'll stay away from real spoilers, but if you don't want to know anything at all about the film, don't read on.

Well, it wasn't a bad film, I just had a thought going on that in my mind that possibly they wanted to fix a bunch of things that could have been cooler from the first film. The mechanical webbing being one. Stupid thing is they added it but there was no point in doing so. He never ran out of webbing, never even needed to change a web cartridge. They were more innovative with his actual fighting though. He fought more like a spider, and used his web in a couple really clever ways.

They completely failed trying to capture the tragedy behind spider-man. It kinda devolved into a "ooh, spiderman is all cut up and comes home late". I always thought of Spidey as the one superhero you wouldn't want to be, because his life gets crapped on more and more every day. I think they tried to convey that, but it just didn't work.

Oh, and Emma Stone does not pass as a high schooler. At least a high schooler who isn't on meth.

[SNAAKE]

I can't wait till Dark Knight Rises, I love those flicks.

YOU CANT GIVE IN!

 

[trekking95]

Kneel before Zod!

Kneel before Loki!

Supervillain lines are so unoriginal. 

[Gray_Area]

The one time I happened upon it, I skipped it. I was skeptical of the reboot when I read about it pre-production, but now am curious, and don't want to ruin it.

[lilshawn]

watched it on sunday. It was alright. Left it wiiiiiide open for a sequel (of course). had some humor...some pretty great looking action bits... cheesy lovey dovey stuff.

if i had to rate it... 7.5/10 (Not awesome enough to pay to see again in the theater, BUT still may purchase it when it hits DVD...definitely if it was found in the $19 and under bin.)

[wp34]

I was surprised how much I liked the new Spidey movie.  I was really prepared to not like it as the movie really didn't need to be made.  But it was as good as it was unnecessary.  They tweaked the origin just enough to make it interesting and the love story was very good. 

[SNAAKE]

wtf is a dvd

[lilshawn]

wtf is a dvd

you know, those things you pirate off the internet, then stream to your television set.

it stands for "downloaded videos dick"