New Spidey Trailer

[Mikezilla]

Anyone watched it yet? I have some beef with it, but I wanted to see some other opinions on it before I start my rant. Im a die hard spiderman fan, so I wanted to see some other fans opinions, and some fans but not that big of fans. Watch it. Then discuss! Go! 

[HaRuMaN]

Looks like they went back to the mechanical web slingers...

[Mikezilla]

ZOMG?!! ANOTHER COMIC BOOK MOVIE?!?

Let me guess.... some random loser gets a super power and farts around with it.  Then some other loser gets a super power and turns evil.  First guy makes a costume and fights him but it's not clear if he manages to kill him at the end.

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I sort of agree with this, I really hate how they are wasting time doing another origin story. Its a waste of half the movie.

And yes Haruman, they went with the mechanical web shooters, which I think is rad, but I think they did it all wrong. The lights and the noise and the button pressing thing is kind of retarded... Have to see how it plays out I guess.

[Le Chuck]

It does seem like remakes are coming faster and faster out of the gate now.  Used to be you'd let a successful franchise cool off for a generation until you slapped a fresh coat on but it's getting ridiculous now.  I'm sure there will be a Green Lantern remake sometime next year to fix the most recent abortion.  

As for Spidey, I will go see it.  Looks like it has good pacing, some nice POV shots, and cool gadgets but I'm wondering why it was necessary.  Toby wasn't great but he wasn't awful either.  Wasn't Stan Lee just as consulted on the last incarnation as on this one?

[SNAAKE]

but its in...3D!!!1!

[Mikezilla]

Thats the thing, he can pretty much do anything, but its willpower based. The race track thing was lamesville. Blake Lively was the best part of that movie, the villain was retarded.

Yeah, the remake train for spidey was too damn soon. I know Spider Man 3 was one of the most horrible movies ever, but still, that was just 2007. Its a complete waste of time if you ask me, ESPECIALLY since they are doing the origin! Everyone on the damn planet knows how Peter becomes spidey.

The lizards head looks like a joke. He is too humanoid looking. See, I thought Tobey was awful. He made the idea of being spiderman boring, dull, and a chore. There was no wise cracking either, I know that wasnt his fault, but still. I wish they would have stopped at 2 on that series. One was good, and two was amazing (pun intended). I wanted to gouge my eyes out after the third one. Cant believe they ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up Venom. Cmon... 

[Le Chuck]

Lizard's head... Abomination's head... same post production crew?  The difference is he's got claws and is green right?  Oh and a tail.  Totally different, my bad. 

[AtomSmasher]

It'll be interesting to see if Dennis Leary can pull off being a New York cop.  It's just so out of character for him.   

[Vigo]

I hope this one turns out. Looking from the trailer, I dunno....I don't think it will be bad though.

The dude who plays Spidey, Andrew Garfield, doesn't exactly strike me as a peter parker. I only saw him in the Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus, and he really didn't strike me as the type. More like he belongs on the set of a twilight film. The trailer makes him look like some emo skater kid....I don't know if they will really hit's science geek (not that toby's spidey really rung as science geek either, just more of a naive dork.) I'm reserving my judgement though.

I kinda am wondering about why they chose the Lizard...I know if you are planning a series of films, you don't start with your strongest villain, but the lizard doesn't even seem right for an origins plot.

[Vigo]

Lizard's head... Abomination's head... same post production crew?  The difference is he's got claws and is green right?  Oh and a tail.  Totally different, my bad. 

[Le Chuck]

Touché.   

[Howard_Casto]

The problem with super hero movies is that directors wan't to get all artsy-fartsy and ignore the primary rule of super hero movies..... NOBODY DIES, NOT EVEN THE VILLIANS!  The only people who stay dead in the comics is Uncle Ben and Bucky... and even they come back every now and again.

Tim Burton did a great job with the Batman films, but he pits batman against th joker in the very first film and kills him.  It can only be downhill from there. 

The did the same thing with the spiderman trilogy..... they start by killing off Green Goblin... ok that isn't too bad, but they Kill off Doc-Oc in the second!  That's the end of the franchise right there!  By the third one they are pulling in third stringers like Sandman. 


I'm not impressed with the spiderman reboot.  They just want more money and realize that the previous films killed off all the best villians. 


As for the Green Lantern film.... it was actually pretty good in terms of treatment.  The problem is that Hal Jordan is a fairly generic super-hero.  The things that always make GL books interesting is "the core" and all the fantastical villians and epic wars they get into.  So they face him up against a wispy cloud and have him do the final battle solo... brilliant!  Let's make a Superman film in which supes fights a bunch of regular bank robbers next!


Personally I've never found many of the super-powered superheros to be all that interesting.  The real heroes are the one's without any special powers, like batman and the punisher.  I mean if you are invulnerable like Superman aren't your only two life choices being a hero or being a total ---meecrob--- for NOT being a hero when you have all that power?

The exception of course is the "god" super heros like Thor..... there's something interesting about taking a public domain character and stuffing him in a cape and tights. 

[fallacy]

Only thing I thought when I saw the trailer was, You ripped off Mirror's Edge!






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[Vigo]

I've heard there's a scene where he wakes up and looks at this hand and it's covered in white goo and then he lifts up his sheet and it's all over his stomach but then when he reaches for a sock he realizes it's just the web shooters gone off again.

[Bootay]

I think it looks ok. I am also a huge Spider-Man fan. The suit looks a little too Ben Reilly to me, and Andrew Garfield reminds me of a Justin Beiber kinda kid. He doesn't strike me as a Peter Parker. And I hate that they are doing yet another origin story. But whatever. I will watch every comic movie..they are becoming very cliche, but I can't help but watch them anyway.

[Mikezilla]

I think it looks ok. I am also a huge Spider-Man fan. The suit looks a little too Ben Reilly to me, and Andrew Garfield reminds me of a Justin Beiber kinda kid. He doesn't strike me as a Peter Parker. And I hate that they are doing yet another origin story. But whatever. I will watch every comic movie..they are becoming very cliche, but I can't help but watch them anyway.

Im with you on this, and what Vigo mentioned. I dont like the overall tone that the director has taken with this movie. He is trying to tweak the Peter Parker character by making him kinda emo, and a little punk rock ish, because nerdy is in right now, and he is supposed to be an outcast, how nerds were back in the 60's when spiderman was created. They have him with that stupid emo justin bieber haircut, a hoodie, and a ramones t-shirt and he looks all sad about his parents and  . I love how they say its the "untold story" when in fact, its an origin story. Which we have seen. Its stupid.  Since the Dark Knight was so successful, everyone thinks that a superhero movie has to be dark, and brooding etc. They dont get that is what makes up Batman, Superman, Spiderman, hell even the Xmen arent like that. Stupid Hollywood and their stupid formulas...

Spidey has a ton of awesome villains to work with. Hell, they could have made a movie with Venom in it, not ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- it up, and bam, set up carnage for the sequel, done a maximum carnage storyline, or they could have made the series with the symbiotes and spidey and venom have to team up... They havent even put in the black cat. JJJ isnt even in this movie... I dont even think he is a photographer... 

[yotsuya]

I'm glad you guys are having fun with this. Last time I got excited about a superhero movie was 1980. 

[HaRuMaN]

Kneel before Zod!

[Vigo]

JJJ isnt even in this movie... I dont even think he is a photographer... 

I was looking to see if JJJ was on there in IMDB as well. I felt JK Simmons was the absolute perfect Jameson and was hoping he would reprise the role. I was shocked to see that the role wasn't even in the movie. He goes all the way back to Spiderman issue 1.

Although I really highly doubt that he would translate to film very well, I personally would love to see Mysterio as a villian.

[SNAAKE]

bring back the doc

[Well Fed Games]

I have a hard time getting excited, as I really did like 1 & 2, and appreciated the fact they at least attempted Venom in 3. Not sure if a reboot is in order at this time when other Marvel IPs could be made into good flicks. But, I will see it, probably not in theaters, unless the reception is particularly good.

[Vigo]

bring back the doc

Ok, I have to ask...anyone besides me think that doc octopus (from the comics) always looked like elton john? 

[Le Chuck]

bring back the doc

Ok, I have to ask...anyone besides me think that doc octopus (from the comics) always looked like elton john? 

"Lookin' around, at all the crazy sights and sounds, dancing 'round like spidey on a string, never gonna find a web-slinger to change my mind, Ain't life a many tenticled thaaaaaang"


Not really.

[Mikezilla]

Mike - if you already know everything that's supposed to happen, and you've already seen one rendition of it, then what's the point of going to see it again?  The changes they're making to Spider-Man are the only things that are going to keep it engaging.  You can sit here and run your fingers about it, but guaranteed you'll have your butt in a theater seat opening weekend carefully cataloging EACH and EVERY variation.

 

PBJ - Thats the beauty of the movies. Its an entirely different medium. THATS the engaging part about it, its not pages in a comic. Besides, Im passionate about Spiderman because as a kid, he was THE hero for me. I want to see the movies done right. The first ones were ok, some aspects I loved, some I hated. There are certain things about the character that you dont change, thats the point of going to see the movie, you want to see what you know as familiar, but on a different medium.

I dont think calling me a tool is necessary, because anyone that is passionate about anything is going to note changes about something they care about being different, and for the worse. This just happens to be a character in a movie.

And of course Im going to see it. Duh. The effects really do look great though. You know, the other aspects of it take a back seat to the costume. Thats my only REAL gripe, I get the other things, and I like how they are trying to do the mechanical webshooters, I just HATE the costume. Everything about it sucks. 

[Ginsu Victim]

Ok, I have to ask...anyone besides me think that doc octopus (from the comics) always looked like elton john? 

Yep.

[Vigo]

I'm glad I'm not the only one. 

[nitz]

Watched the trailer...BLECH!

As others have mentioned, the guy just doesn't seem like Peter Parker. And my wife and I both thought that he looks about 18 and MJ (Gwen?) looks about 30. They look awkward together...if the trailer can't make them look good together, then the movie will never pull it off.

I think I could have certainly accepted someone else playing the role if they hadn't done a damn origin story (seriously, considering we just had 2 good movies + one decent one that began with an origin story, this is just lame ) and if they didn't look like they were trying to be like every junk action movie out there. I get why hardcore Spidey fans will need to see it, but I'm happy enough with Spiderman 1-3 and frankly can't be bothered with this.

Tim Burton did a great job with the Batman films, but he pits batman against th joker in the very first film and kills him.  It can only be downhill from there.  

I hesitate to call those great as I thought the tone and style were wrong, though the acting and production values somewhat made up for it. I do agree though that killing off the villain is bad...though in this case I doubt Jack Nicholson would have come back for a sequel anyway, or at least would have wanted a crapload of money (I think his salary for Batman was huge).

I actually thought the Batman reboot was ok, since I didn't think either Tim Burton movie felt quite right, and Batman Forever + Batman and Robin were garbage. But in the case of Spiderman, the first 2 movies were great, and the third was at least acceptable. A reboot just seems silly if not outright stupid, and just helps confirm for me that mainstream Hollywood movies are really going down the crapper.

I'm glad you guys are having fun with this. Last time I got excited about a superhero movie was 1980.  

That is my favorite superhero movie ever.   It's a bit cheesy/corny in parts, but for that movie, it seems to work.

[shmokes]

Yeah, that's Gwen Stacy, not MJ.

Honestly, the main problem isn't that they're doing an origin story. It's that Sam Raimi's origin story was particularly good. It's that fact that makes this movie entirely superfluous. It's like they think that since it's a new actor playing him we need to be reintroduced, which makes no sense since the whole conceit of acting is that we're supposed to be watching Peter Parker, not whatever-the-guy's-name-is who's playing him.

Don't get me wrong . . . there were minor problems with Sam Raimi's version--primarily that Peter didn't smash the spider after it bit him. It was obviously an aggressive spider and the fact that it's still running around means that it could create other spider-men. It was a stupid oversight. The biological web shooters, in my opinion, were far superior to the mechanical ones, accuracy be damned. Unless Spider-Man is taking place 100 years in the future those mechanical web shooters, with their web cartridges just strain the suspension of disbelief too much.

With that said, I admit that for total believability Spider-Man ought to be swinging around New York from web shot out of his ass.

[shmokes]

I do agree though that killing off the villain is bad...though in this case I doubt Jack Nicholson would have come back for a sequel anyway, or at least would have wanted a crapload of money (I think his salary for Batman was huge).

That wouldn't have been a problem. Jack Nicholson didn't die in Batman. Joker did.

And yeah, Jack Nicholson took a small payday for Batman (like $6 million) in favor of a backend percentage of everything. I read that he's made something like $100 million from ticket sales, DVD sales, merchandising, etc.  Same goes for Fonze in Happy Days. Henry Winkler took a small salary in exchange for a percentage of syndication profits. Happy Days turned out to be an incredibly popular show, and Henry Winkler turned out to be incredibly rich.

[yotsuya]

I'm glad you guys are having fun with this. Last time I got excited about a superhero movie was 1980.  

That is my favorite superhero movie ever.   It's a bit cheesy/corny in parts, but for that movie, it seems to work.

Fortunately, it didn't take itself seriously, nor did the audience, and a fun time was had by all.

[Gray_Area]

Hey, they're going to re-make Forbidden Planet, anything's possible.

A great movie, but backward even in its time.

[nitz]

Yeah, that's Gwen Stacy, not MJ.

Heh heh, I think my confusion over that sums up right there why this movie isn't for me - I never really read the comics, so all my knowledge comes from vague memories of the cartoon and Spiderman 1-3. For me, those movies were pretty good and don't need to be redone/remade/rebooted/whatever. But I can see it making sense for the die-hards...still, it just looks bad to me.

That wouldn't have been a problem. Jack Nicholson didn't die in Batman. Joker did.

I know that of course. Maybe my wording was slightly ambiguous. I meant that I doubt Jack Nicholson would have come back for a sequel if they had asked him to. Which they didn't, because they killed his character. I just sense that he wanted to put in an awesome performance (which he did), make a ton of money (which he did), but probably wouldn't do it again because it really couldn't be topped, and if he would have done it again, he would have no doubt wanted even more money to reprise it. I am basing this on absolutely nothing btw.

[shmokes]

For me it's just incredibly stupid to reboot it at this point. Spider-man one set an all-time record for opening weekend gross if I remember right. And then it went on to incredible success in tocket sales and DVD sales. Which means everyone saw it. Plus they loved it, audiences and critics alike.

So why reboot it? Put someone new in the Spidey suit because you can't get or don't want Toby anymore. I get that. But that's no reason to retell the story that everyone already saw and loved just a few years ago. Spider-man wasn't the Toby Mcguire story. It was the Peter Parker story. And as near as I can tell, Peter is still in the film. The fact that Toby is gone is irrelevant to the story.

[Bootay]

I agree. That's what I liked about The Incredible Hulk, they didn't bother putting us through another origin story again.

[SNAAKE]

For me it's just incredibly stupid to reboot it at this point. \

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lots of it. simple as that.

[Howard_Casto]

(excuse the lack of quoting)


I disagree, Nitz... burton's batman films were infinately superior to pretty much every super hero film released since INCLUDNG the new batman films. 


He got the top three things right:

1.  Gotham City is the star of any Batman film... period... everything else is icing on the cake.

2.  Batman is boring (in the short term at least) and a downer as a whole, so focus on the villians

3.  Realism is IMPOSSIBLE when your arch emenies run around in halloween costumes doing stupid "themed" attacks... so just go with it. 


Those three points have relevance in other films as well, most notably Superman.... this is why the aforementioned Superman II was so frikkin awesome.

And quit posting pics of me guys!  I'll get embarrassed.

[Bootay]

Howard: I agree. The first 2 Burton films were exactly like how the comics were at the time. I didn't care much for the half man half big style of The Penguin, but it still had the tone.

Actually as much ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that people give the Adam West Batman, those were dead on with what the comic was like at the time too.

Batman started off dark but after a few issues DC told the writers to introduce Robin and make it more kid friendly. After the introduction of Robin things slowly turned to Adam West style. Throughout the 50s and 60s Batman comics were exactly like Adam West Batman. Then in the 70s they rebooted the series and made him dark and brooding again.

As much as I like the new Batman films, they really aren't like the comics. Everyone rants and raves about Ledger's Joker, but he really isn't all that much like the comic version. I did like his version don't get me wrong. But Jack played him dead on when compared to the comic. I am not in any way knocking the new ones because I do enjoy them. (except for the Batmobile....I HATE the Batmobile in the new movies)

[Vigo]

  This is spot on with how I feel as well.    Maybe I don't mind DeVito's Penguin as much (Although I love Burgess Meredith's Penguin from the Adam West Batman series much more).

[Mikezilla]

The only reason Ledgers Joker got so much play, was because he died before the movie came out. Seriously. It was good and all, but cmon, it wasnt THAT great. I liked Nicholsons Joker WAY more. Dont get me wrong, I liked Ledgers joker, and it fit the tone for that movie, going with realism etc, but I dont want EVERY movie I see to be realistic, cmon. Its a superhero movie. Its the comics come to life.

Like Bootay said, Nicholsons joker was perfect, thats how he is in the comics. I loved Burtons Batman because thats what I grew up with, and the Batmobile is FAR superior, but I do like how the Nolan series shows how he actuall became Batman, with the training etc.

I also agree with shmokes regarding the need to "reboot" the series. The thing that pisses me off was that the last Raimi flick came out 5 years ago. Its not like a whole generation has passed and peope forgot who spiderman was or something. Hell, my grandma knows how spidey got his powers. Its a complete waste of time... and a waste because if it doesnt do well, they wont put any more money into it. I still want to see Venom done right. Screw the hokey villains like Vulture and Mysterio... This lizard is going to be lame too.

[Vigo]

Yeah, Nicholson's Joker was definitely perfect. He had jokes, gags, squirting flowers, everything joker, but Nicholson used it in a way that didn't diminish the character. He was still unsettling and scary. And who didn't want that batmobile? The new one just makes me think of a Hummer. Bulky and obnoxious. The origins in batman begins is excellent, and I love that they didn't just explain everything away as, "Oh, he's a millionaire, of course he can just buy all the gadgets he wants".

Screw the hokey villains like Vulture and Mysterio... This lizard is going to be lame too.

Mysterio hokey? Aww...I love Mysterio....but you are right, A guy with a fishbowl on his head that poofs around with stage smoke is on the hokey end.  It would have to take absolute brilliant directing and writing to make him good on the screen. As a kid, I used to love him as a villian though. I just always was a sucker for villains without any real powers, you usually got a little more of a plot out of their schemes. I agree completely about venom though. He is some of the best of the spidey series, and it was a shame to see it trashed the way it was. Which pretty much shut the door to make anything cool out of Carnage as well.