Anyone Else Jazzed About the New Avengers Movie?

[Vigo]

At risk of stepping into this again.....what product is Captain America Advertising? Hostess fruit pies?

[shmokes]

America

[trekking95]

Also his movie was one of the worst films of 2011.

Well that's up to you, but what do you think was the best of 2011?
And what are your thoughts on the Thor movie? It was my second favorite after Captain America

[saint]

Also his movie was one of the worst films of 2011.

A minority opinion -- Captain America was a good movie   I went expecting a live-action comic book, and that's what I got. Currently trending 79% on Rotten Tomatoes.

[shmokes]

Best of 2011? I'd say Win/Win or Midnight in Paris. Best action film probably X-Men: First Class, though that last Harry Potter probably gives X-Men a run for its money.


Edit . . . forgot to answer about Thor. It was surprisingly not too bad. It wasn't great, but it looked like it was going to be awful and it turned out okay. Actually I think what saved Thor is exactly what Captain America lacked--self-deprecating humor. Neither film hold a candle to the first Iron Man, and even the not-nearly-as-good Iron Man 2 is better than either of them. So is, for that matter, Edward Norton's Hulk.

[Vigo]

At risk of stepping into this again.....what product is Captain America Advertising? Hostess fruit pies?

America

Isn't that like saying Batman is advertising Bats?

[HaRuMaN]

I'm surprised no one's crying about Captain America's "There's only one God" comment...

[shmokes]

Isn't that like saying Batman is advertising Bats?

In a semantic argument, yes. But that's a stupid argument.

[Vigo]

Well, I don't quite see how Batman using Bat in his name is any different than Captain America using America in his name. Given that Cap was a US Army experiment who was utilized specifically by the gov't, his name makes far more sense than Batman. Batman pretty much picked it out because he personally wanted to push the bat image on the city. I guess as you would say, batman was deliberately advertising the bat, while the Captain had his name picked out for him.

[shmokes]

Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.

[Rando]

Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.

It sure does.

Shmokes likes Spider-Man, so we need to veer our arguments for why Captain America isn't the suck that way...

Phoebe: Hey. Why isn't it Spiderman? You know, like Goldman, Silverman...
Chandler: Because, it... it's not his last name.
Phoebe: It isn't?
Chandler: No. It's not like Phil Spiderman. He's a spider *man*. You know, like Goldman is a last name but there's no Gold man.
Phoebe: Oh, oh okay...
Phoebe: There should be a Gold man!

[Vigo]

Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.

The michelin man was created from a generic experiment? Really? That is a backstory that would be baddass!

Claude Frederick was worked as a tire salesman. He worked for Michelin Tire and was the best in the business. After refusing offers to work for the competition, Bridgestone thugs mercilessly killed Claude's family and riddled Claude with bullets, leaving him for dead. While on life support, the science division of Michelin tire manipulated Claude's genes with the the same treatments that were originally designed for the worlds first regenerative tire. Infusing his bones with Ultra radial Steel, and supporting his life with a rubberized exoskeleton, Claude lives on as Michelin Man, hellbent on revenge for the Bridgestone pigs that stole his life away from him.

[Le Chuck]

Yeah, this guy's name makes perfect sense too, and for the same reasons.

The michelin man was created from a generic experiment? Really? That is a backstory that would be baddass!

Claude Frederick was worked as a tire salesman. He worked for Michelin Tire and was the best in the business. After refusing offers to work for the competition, Bridgestone thugs mercilessly killed Claude's family and riddled Claude with bullets, leaving him for dead. While on life support, the science division of Michelin tire manipulated Claude's genes with the the same treatments that were originally designed for the worlds first regenerative tire. Infusing his bones with Ultra radial Steel, and supporting his life with a rubberized exoskeleton, Claude lives on as Michelin Man, hellbent on revenge for the Bridgestone pigs that stole his life away from him.

His name is M. Bibendum and he is a French cultural icon.  He used to rock a pince-nez glasses and a fat cigar.

[shmokes]

so we need to veer our arguments for why Captain America isn't the suck that way...

It's a tough position for you to be in, I know. Because he is the suck . . .   

[Vigo]

Read this today, reminded me of our discussion here:

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/

[trekking95]

I'm surprised no one's crying about Captain America's "There's only one God" comment...

I thought it was the best line of the movie next to Hulk's "puny god"! 

[shmokes]

We apparently just have wildly different tastes. I thought that Hulk line sucked and totally detracted from the hilarious moment just before.

[Le Chuck]

Read this today, reminded me of our discussion here:

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/

Vigo, as a father with a deaf toddler thank you for posting this.   

[trekking95]

We apparently just have wildly different tastes. I thought that Hulk line sucked and totally detracted from the hilarious moment just before.

Well the line was true as Hulk could throw him around. But in the movie they aren't "gods" anyway so Hulk was just adding to what Loki called himself.

[shmokes]

Of course it was true. It was just unnecessary. It was like explaining a joke that everybody already got. It always detracts from the joke.

[Flake]

Oh for gods sake you guys are arguing over the most pointless of points. 

Here's maybe a fresh topic of conversation.....and maybe it's been dealt with in the comics and I'm just unaware.....but it did seem like the alien army was rather weak.....for being such an advanced race of beings.  Was that Chinturi army...or however it's spelled....in the comics?

AFWIW.....I think Captain America is adequately named/titled....I mean wtf else are you going to call him?  Gi Joe?

[shmokes]

AFWIW.....I think Captain America is adequately named/titled....I mean wtf else are you going to call him?  Gi Joe?

Something that doesn't suck. And also give him a costume to match. Also maybe make him not act like a doe eyed cub scout, lol. But if you could even manage the first two you'd be well on your way.

Yeah, the army was pretty weak. I mean, there were only, what, six Avengers, three of whom had virtually no means of mobility so they just had to stay and fight in one spot. The Aliens were totally taken down permanently by punches from the presumably strong, but apparently not supernaturally strong Black Widow. So, like, as soon as the Armed Forces showed up, with a few hundred thousand soldiers with guns and tanks and jets with missiles, etc . . . like, the Aliens would have been ---fouled up beyond all recognition---.

[trekking95]

What, no one likes the "old fashioned" attitude that Cap has? Don't you remember Coulson's line, "People might want a little old fashioned"?

Read this, it explains that better than I could.

But all to our own, I wont force my ideas on you.

[trekking95]

Yeah, the army was pretty weak. I mean, there were only, what, six Avengers, three of whom had virtually no means of mobility so they just had to stay and fight in one spot. The Aliens were totally taken down permanently by punches from the presumably strong, but apparently not supernaturally strong Black Widow. So, like, as soon as the Armed Forces showed up, with a few hundred thousand soldiers with guns and tanks and jets with missiles, etc . . . like, the Aliens would have been ---fouled up beyond all recognition---.

Yeah, but that's why the never ending wave of them. Its like the droid army in Star Wars, they are easy to kill but they outnumber you, like a lot.

[shmokes]

I dunno about that. Seems like after the first giant flying worm thing was taken down the whole force got called in. Certainly when Stark crossed over it didn't seem like there were too many of them waiting for their turn.

Also, why is every diabolical alien species hive-based?

[Malenko]

But a Captain Coco-Cola superhero would be equally idiotic.

You do realize there is a Pepsiman right? He was in fighting vipers, and the Japanese commercials are hilarious.

Read this today, reminded me of our discussion here:

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/marvel-bullpen-assembles-to-help-mom-and-her-hearing-impaired-son/

Thats really awesome.

[shmokes]

You do realize there is a Pepsiman right?

Well, yes. Of course. Who doesn't know about Pepsiman?

I swear to god, sometimes . . . 

[Malenko]

You do realize there is a Pepsiman right?

Well, yes. Of course. Who doesn't know about Pepsiman?

I swear to god, sometimes . . . 

I dont get the eye roll Not everyone has heard of him   Just thought it was odd you posted a fictional Coca Cola man when there was an actual Pepsi man.

[kahlid74]

Here's maybe a fresh topic of conversation.....and maybe it's been dealt with in the comics and I'm just unaware.....but it did seem like the alien army was rather weak.....for being such an advanced race of beings.  Was that Chinturi army...or however it's spelled....in the comics?

The Chitauri are basically Skrulls, except from the Ultimate Marvel universe.  When the trailer first appeared everyone figured it would be the Kree or Skrulls.  The Chitauri are typically a subversive culture, they fight but often times go for more subversive tactics.  In the Ultimate avengers they do wind up fighting and do kick a lot of butt.  The Hulk is the main one who stops the Chitauri in Ultimate Avengers.  

I wouldn't say they are weak, but I would "expect" the Avengers to defeat them.  Working in tandem the Avengers are more powerful then the Chitauri army.

Each avenger, even those not super powered, are stronger/faster than the average man/woman.  Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri?  Sure.  Would they have defeated the Chitauri?  No.

Side note, the Asgardians are still "Gods" in the Movie.  Thor gives an explanation that humans can understand about science but they are still gods.  The thing to remember is that Gods in the marvel universe are just powerful beings.  You can't think of the Christian god and Marvels gods in the same sentence.  None of Marvels gods created the universe so there's a huge gap in power on that level.  The only things in the Marvel universe that can come close to a god like Christianities would be either the Cosmic Entities or someone with the Infinity Gauntlet.  In DC there IS an actual God like figure that represents closely what Christians follow.  His avatar, the specter, is ridiculously powerful.  

[shmokes]

 Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri?  Sure.  Would they have defeated the Chitauri?  No.

And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.

[kahlid74]

 Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri?  Sure.  Would they have defeated the Chitauri?  No.

And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.

Fair enough.  Was more my opinion having read comics and being familiar with the parties involved and understanding the basic rinse/repeat nature of movies and comics.

[Rando]

 Could the military have come in and killed lots of Chitauri?  Sure.  Would they have defeated the Chitauri?  No.

And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.

It's pointless to argue, we've already lost!! 

so we need to veer our arguments for why Captain America isn't the suck that way...

It's a tough position for you to be in, I know. Because he is the suck . . .   

Sorry Cap,
I thought you were cool but I was wrong!
Not Superman cool, but still... 

[shmokes]

Fair enough.  Was more my opinion having read comics and being familiar with the parties involved and understanding the basic rinse/repeat nature of movies and comics.

And I more-or-less agree with you (or rather, I've never read the comics so I can't really say one way or the other). I think the point, though, wasn't that the Chitauri are weak. I suppose that's a question that can only answered by the source material. The point is that they were portrayed in the film as being not particularly formidable. And there's no way to get around the fact that Black Widow can defeat them with punches. Anybody who can be defeated by a punch from Black Widow, I'm sorry, will also be defeated by a round from an M-16. Don't get me wrong, Black Widow has very useful talents that were displayed multiple times during the film (e.g., both times she used deception as a very effective interrogation technique). But in an actual battle with an army, 200,000 soldiers with machine guns > Black Widow. Obviously.

[shmokes]

And as we all know, anything stated matter of factly is, by default, true.

It's a tough position for you to be in, I know. Because he is the suck . . .    

Come now . . . don't pretend you don't recognize a bit of tongue-in-cheek ribbing even when there's a big fat emoticon pointing it out. Anyway, I think I've fairly exhaustively listed my reasons for thinking Captain America is lame. That really wasn't just a matter-of-fact statement lacking any reasoning backing it up my point of view.  

[Rando]

Come now . . . don't pretend you don't recognize a bit of tongue-in-cheek ribbing even when there's a big fat emoticon pointing it out.

Dude!
Hence the  !

Hence!!! 

[shmokes]

Sorry . . . I don't think we have the same understanding of the rolly eyes guy. I think I misread the tone of your post.

[ChadTower]

But in an actual battle with an army, 200,000 soldiers with machine guns > Black Widow. Obviously.

It's not all that dirty a secret that we don't have 200,000 soldiers sitting on benches waiting for orders to get up and run to a specific place.  The whole defense idea there was close the portal or destroy the whole freakin place because they had no idea how many aliens were going to be coming through that portal. 

[shmokes]

Sigh, all anyone is saying is that the extra terrestrial army was not portrayed as particularly powerful. And if they plan to take over the whole world, they're gonna need to face armies a helluva lot bigger than 200k strong.

[ChadTower]

That was only the part of their army that could get through the portal in fifteen minutes.  If we suspend disbelief the idea is that they're going to keep coming and keep coming and keep coming.

[shmokes]

Maybe. Though, we actually got to see the other side of the portal, and it wasn't exactly teeming with bad guys.