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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #120 on: March 07, 2012, 11:16:08 am »
I'm in AZ so hopefully mines will be next.   :cheers:

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #121 on: March 07, 2012, 08:50:54 pm »
Ok, so I got mine in the mail!! I'm typing this on my phone, so it will be brief. I'll write a proper review tomorrow.

Two thumbs up! Outstanding! Almond paste and cherry was a gooood combo.

Pics, and a better review tomorrow!

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #122 on: March 07, 2012, 09:40:08 pm »
I literally shed a small tear.  I gotta go before I shed more.  I was planning on posting a few pics of today's bake but I think I'll wait.
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2012, 09:49:11 pm »
Ok, so I got mine in the mail!!

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2012, 10:20:00 pm »
I literally shed a small tear.  I gotta go before I shed another bigger tear.  I was planning on posting a few pics of today's bake but I think I'll wait.

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #125 on: March 07, 2012, 10:37:36 pm »

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #126 on: March 08, 2012, 12:01:07 am »
I just walked in from work and there was a package waiting for me on the porch; I saw when I pulled up that it said 'perishable'! Low and behold the pastry has arrived!!!  ;D

Dervacumen, I'll have to email you pictures because I don't know how to upload them here. I took pictures of the packaging and everything. PM your email address.  

Ok, I got multiple people tasting this. My girlfriend, my sister, myself, and my mom. Upon opening the package, there was no damage to the pastry, everything was packed well. Like I said, I took pictures.

We all tasted it before I heated it, and the voting was unanimous, it was delicious. I personally thought that it could use a little more apricot, but Im an apricot fiend, but everyone else said the apricot content was delicious, and the almond flavor was in every bite. It was flaky, and not too sweet, which I like in a pastry. It pulled apart with ease when I was serving it to everyone. Nobody could believe how good the almond flavor was. When we heated it per your instructions, the middle was nice and warm, and it was velvety, and a little on the raw side, which I love.

So, to sum everything up, the pastry itself was buttery, flaky, and delicious. Could use a little more apricot in my opinion, but everyone else thought it was a good amount. Definitely prefer the heated version vs the room temperature version. Also, there is a minor flaw. If you eat half the pastry in about 5 minutes, you get a little queasy.  :lol I couldnt stop eating it, well done Dervacumen, thank you so much for letting me be a part of this! Let me know if you need a better review, or have any specific questions you want me to answer. Im stuffed right now, and I cant write as well as I normally can considering I gorged myself on pastry. Bravo my friend, well done.  :cheers:
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #127 on: March 08, 2012, 06:17:27 am »
I'm just really really happy.  Regarding the Mikezilla comment about the apricots, take a look at this one that I made today.  It's a totally different experience, from the raw ingredients to the creation and application of the filling.  I'm quietly compiling your feedback for those in round two.   I guess there's good and bad being first in line.  You don't have to wait, but those at the end will benefit from all you early adopters. :laugh:
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #128 on: March 08, 2012, 08:38:02 am »


So, when I saw that this was in the mail yesterday, I thought about bringing it with me to my Wednesday night bowling league.  After I sampled a piece, I decided to keep it all to myself!   ;D

This morning, I decided to do it right, and heat up a couple of servings.  So I cut some pieces, put them in my convection toaster oven on bake at 350 degrees for 8 minutes...  

What a difference!  What was outstanding yesterday, at room temperature, was even better warmed up!

The pastry itself I found to be just right.  Not too dense, not too flaky, just in between.  I also thought that the pastry dough had just the right amount of sweetness.

I thought the amount of cherries in mine was right balance.  Any more, and they would overwhelm the almond flavor (which was awesome, btw).

Bottom line, if I were a paying customer, I would have been extremely happy with this purchase.  My wife agrees.   :cheers:


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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #129 on: March 08, 2012, 08:41:15 am »
I want one!
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #130 on: March 08, 2012, 09:11:31 am »
If you eat half the pastry in about 5 minutes, you get a little queasy.
Pansy.  Looks like the vetting process needs to be ironed out.  Why let some light weight get his first if he can't handle it?
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2012, 09:14:38 am »
Don't be sore. It's not his fault you chose a name completely unsuitable for a hampster.
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #132 on: March 08, 2012, 10:40:07 am »
My pastry came yesterday as well. Pictures are attached. Note that I hadn't modified/opened the packaging in any way until you get to the pics of the entirely unwrapped pastry.

I believe that I am primarily meant to be testing the pastry only, and that the packaging was more-or-less an afterthought. Nevertheless, I will comment on it in case anything useful can come of it. First, the empty space in the box was filled out with folded up bubble mailer envelopes. I assume you wouldn't do this with your retail product if for no other reason than that those things are super expensive. I'm guessing you had them on hand and weren't inclined to seek out more suitable packing material before getting these things in the mail.

Aside from the mailers, the pastry sat upon a piece of cardboard, loosely wrapped in wax paper. As you can see from the pictures, the wax paper tore in a couple places during shipping. Although this probably doesn't affect the product's actual quality, considering your care instructions, I believe it will affect the perceptions of your customers. It looks like the product was damaged in-transit and did not arrive altogether in-tact. You don't want your customer's first impression to be, "Uh oh . . ."

Edit: I should mention here that I am inexperienced with danish pastries. I had no idea that wrapping them in an airtight container was verboten. So when I saw ready-to-eat food essentially just sitting in a box, entirely exposed, I was pretty shocked. Honestly, my first thought was, " . . . the ---fudgesicle---?" You'll probably have to consider this, because I think many many Americans are like me. It's probably a pretty common preconceived notion that you can't just leave baked goods sitting out or they'll rapidly become stale or otherwise decline qualititatively. I think you need to do something to adjust their expectations before they lay eyes on the seemingly unwrapped product, or take care that the product appears to be 100% wrapped and guarded from outside evils.

Additionally, as you can see from the photos, the pastry was a bit squashed down and to one side during shipping. It's quite noticeable. I tried unsuccessfully to think of a way (beyond freezing) to guard against this. But you might devote some time to it. You obviously take great care in the presentation and it's a shame to have it spoiled in transit.

As for the pastry itself, let me say first off that the difference in quality between eating it right out of the box and first heating it in the oven is so dramatic that I don't think you should dream of even suggesting that the former is even an option. The pastry should simply come with explicit directions to heat it. Frankly, it didn't just taste better. My initial impression was that the pastry was slightly doughy. I thought that perhaps it wasn't getting enough airflow in-transit and had suffered a bit of the fate you described with regards to storing it in plastic wrap. The filling, I thought, had a nice texture and I could taste that it was very high quality, But while overall it was better than the typical Danish Pastry, considering the quality of the typical continental breakfast danish, this is faint praise. I was slightly underwhelmed . But once heated, the entire confection was transformed. The pastry became flaky, the almonds crunchy, the filling warm and far more flavorful. It was far and away the best danish I've ever had. Nothing else even comes close.

In short, if you wish to position these as high-end gourmet products, commanding a high price, you will have to consider the packing/shipping predicament thoroughly if you wish to ship them unfrozen. I also think that suggesting that it can be consumed heated or unheated is a heresy along the lines of making the same recommendation regarding a Papa Murphy's pizza. You want your customers to take a bite of your product and say, "Oh my god." Make sure this happens. Tell them only how it should be consumed, not how it can be consumed.

Oh yeah . . . I should also mention, I thought the apricot, almond paste, cheese combo worked well.

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #133 on: March 08, 2012, 10:50:02 am »
Those really do look awesome.

IF it help me get bumped ahead of certain others, I will easily state that I hope the Fins sign Peyton Manning, that he starts every game for them until he retires in 4 years and that they never lose a game.   :angel:

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« Reply #134 on: March 08, 2012, 11:03:33 am »
Those really do look awesome.

IF it help me get bumped ahead of certain others, I will easily state that I hope the Fins sign Peyton Manning, that he starts every game for them until he retires in 4 years and that they never lose a game.   :angel:

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« Reply #135 on: March 08, 2012, 11:04:09 am »
Those really do look awesome.

IF it help me get bumped ahead of certain others, I will easily state that I hope the Fins sign Peyton Manning, that he starts every game for them until he retires in 4 years and that they never lose a game.   :angel:

He's coming to the Cards...   :whap

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #136 on: March 08, 2012, 11:38:24 am »
Back on topic... I'm going to be sad when I finish this up... probably tonight.   ;D


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« Reply #137 on: March 08, 2012, 11:50:12 am »
Back on topic... I'm going to be sad when I finish this up... probably tonight.   ;D



Same here. I wish I didnt have people over when I got mine. I hate sharing.  >:D
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« Reply #138 on: March 08, 2012, 12:10:27 pm »
This may be the longest thread in EE that's stayed on topic.  Well, besides the cheesecake one.  Ironic that they're both about we want to eat.   :o

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« Reply #139 on: March 08, 2012, 12:23:34 pm »
This may be the longest thread in EE that's stayed on topic.  Well, besides the cheesecake one.  Ironic that they're both about we want to eat.   :o

Thats rich, coming from you Mr. Thread Derailer! Talking about football. Sheesh.  ::)

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« Reply #140 on: March 08, 2012, 12:27:29 pm »
This may be the longest thread in EE that's stayed on topic.  Well, besides the cheesecake one.  Ironic that they're both about we want to eat.   :o

Totally serendipitous that you mention that, I was just thinking about how a danish thread would be a great place to discuss how my single malt pez dispensing angled wico leaf switch developer designed joysticks just got lice in a tornado.  

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« Reply #141 on: March 08, 2012, 12:33:02 pm »
Too soon, Chuck. Too soon.
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« Reply #142 on: March 08, 2012, 12:40:22 pm »
Thats rich, coming from you Mr. Thread Derailer! Talking about football. Sheesh.  ::)

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No, no, no.  I was on topic as Dervacumen is a Fins fan.  I'm just trying to get bumped on the list.  Blame the mod for taking it off topic with his post about the dorky Cards.   >:D

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« Reply #143 on: March 08, 2012, 01:02:44 pm »
Too soon, Chuck. Too soon.

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« Reply #144 on: March 08, 2012, 01:11:26 pm »
I can't wait! Those look delicious!


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« Reply #145 on: March 08, 2012, 01:12:59 pm »
Post Hell access for whoever wants to forward their pastry on to me!   >:D

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« Reply #146 on: March 08, 2012, 04:54:21 pm »
Mine arrived today. Had an unwarmed piece already... yum! Full review and pics once the family has tried it out... :applaud:

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« Reply #147 on: March 08, 2012, 04:58:42 pm »
Dervacumen just PM'd me and wanted me to let all the group 2 people know that they'll be having to wait as he has decided to skip directly to group three for the next batch.  I know it sucks, but please understand that this was a very hard decision for him but I think we can all get behind his prerogative.  Thank you and good day.    

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« Reply #148 on: March 08, 2012, 09:13:53 pm »
Got home after work this afternoon to find a medium flat rate box sitting on my stoop. I smiled because I knew what was inside waiting for me. But the damned postman set it on the step upsidedown! The box arrived intact and in good shape so I was hopeful. However when I opened the box, I found a lot of almonds and other pieces loose inside. The wax paper wasn't ripped at all like it was with shmokes, but the the pastry was "squared" moving about during transit. I would recommend finding a somewhat stiff cardboard ring to place the pastries inside to prevent the "squaring".





Right out of the box this thing smelled great! After seeing this thread bumped so much today, I had to try a piece out immediately. Typically, if I was given a number of options for flavors of pastries, I would go with apple or bear claw. The wife was the decision maker on the flavor of ours, cherry w/ almond paste, and cherry is usually on the bottom of the list of flavors I would normally pick. But to my surprise, I was quite pleased with this flavor combonation. Most pastries I eat (I maybe have only 10 a year) are unheated. As Mikezilla already stated, the center of the pastry was a little on the raw side, which is not a bad thing, because I like this too. One thing I did like was that the pastry wasn't "sweaty" and sticky like the mass produced ones that are individually wrapped in plastic. On a scale of 1 to 10 I'd rate the unwarmed piece at about a 7.5 for "total pastry experience." The last bite wasn't very enjoyable. It was a dark brown, not quite burnt bottom, and didn't taste very well.

I warmed up 4 pieces after dinner for dessert for the family. The flaky texture of the warmed pastry definitely makes this the best way to consume, much better than unwarmed. The family didn't like the pastry as much as I did, however. The kids had no idea that this thing was coming. The wife had a little bit of anticipation for its arrival. The wife enjoyed the flavors and textures, but the pastry didn't wow her. Our daughter (7) took one bite and said she didn't want to eat anymore. Usually she's crazy about anything sweet, but her taste may not be developed for these types of rich flavors yet. Our son (15) thought the kitchen smelled great while they were warming up. He said the pastry was "pretty good" overall. But he didn't want to finish his sister's piece. I wasn't about to argue with him and happily took her leftovers. I'd rate the warmed pastry an 8.5-8.75 out of 10. The dark brown bottom tasted much better on the warmed pieces than the unwarmed one.

I was really impressed with the appearance of the pastries in the photos of them before they shipped. I really like the layered circle. The "squaring" caused by shipping definitely hurt the appearance. The wife told me that this is probably something she wouldn't buy. I'm not much of a pastry consumer, so I wouldn't be inclined to buy such a large pastry (which surprised me, you said 8" diameter, but this thing ended up being much larger than I expected). I would probably buy a piece or two with a cup of coffee somewhere, but this isn't something I would order to have shipped to me, but I have never ordered any food item off of the internet that needed to be shipped. My work gets kringles shipped to our office every xmas from one of our customers, and I could see ordering one of these easier as a gift for someone than buying one for myself.

I am greatly appreciative that I was given a chance to participate in this testing, thank you! I do, however, wish I would have gone with my initial flavor pick of apple. The cherry is good, but I'm a sucker for apple. Although this wasn't enjoyed by everyone in my house, I will be thoroughly enjoying it until there is nothing left to enjoy!

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #149 on: March 08, 2012, 10:06:52 pm »
Derva, would something as simple as a disposable plastic pie pan work to keep the pastry a bit more together in shipping?  If ventilation is a concern I'm sure an office hole punch could make short work of getting some air in there. 

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #150 on: March 08, 2012, 11:50:47 pm »
This will be short, more to come.
First and most importantly, the feedback both positive and negative is exactly what I need.
Second, the shipping issue is unsurprising, and that even half of you received this in decent shape is a testimonial to the USPS and the job I did packing it.  This trial was largely about getting the pastry to you in a form that at least comes close to replicating the smell, bite, and flavor experience I provide locally.  I have learned a TON for you all.
Thanks again folks.
Next up is group two.  It may take a bit to get these out because I want to work on what I've learned and that takes a lot of time, baking, and eating way to much pastry.  I promise it won't be much over a couple of weeks if that.
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« Reply #151 on: March 09, 2012, 11:50:35 am »
Next up is group two.

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #152 on: March 09, 2012, 01:02:44 pm »

I believe that I am primarily meant to be testing the pastry only, and that the packaging was more-or-less an afterthought. Nevertheless, I will comment on it in case anything useful can come of it. First, the empty space in the box was filled out with folded up bubble mailer envelopes. ... those things are super expensive. I'm guessing you had them on hand...
Aside from the mailers, the pastry sat upon a piece of cardboard, loosely wrapped in wax paper ...  I believe it will affect the perceptions of your customers. It looks like the product was damaged in-transit and did not arrive altogether in-tact. You don't want your customer's first impression to be, "Uh oh . . ."

Edit: hen I saw ready-to-eat food essentially just sitting in a box, entirely exposed, I was pretty shocked. Honestly, my first thought was, " . . . the ---fudgesicle---?" You'll probably have to consider this, because I think many many Americans are like me. I think you need to do something to adjust their expectations before they lay eyes on the seemingly unwrapped product, or take care that the product appears to be 100% wrapped and guarded from outside evils.

Additionally, as you can see from the photos, the pastry was a bit squashed down and to one side during shipping. It's quite noticeable. I tried unsuccessfully to think of a way (beyond freezing) to guard against this.

As for the pastry itself, let me say first off that the difference in quality between eating it right out of the box and first heating it in the oven is so dramatic that I don't think you should dream of even suggesting that the former is even an option ... the pastry was slightly doughy. The filling, I thought, had a nice texture and I could taste that it was very high quality, But I was slightly underwhelmed . But once heated, the entire confection was transformed. The pastry became flaky, the almonds crunchy, the filling warm and far more flavorful. It was far and away the best danish I've ever had. Nothing else even comes close.

In short, if you wish to position these as high-end gourmet products, commanding a high price, you will have to consider the packing/shipping predicament thoroughly if you wish to ship them unfrozen. I also think that suggesting that it can be consumed heated or unheated is a heresy.

Oh yeah . . . I should also mention, I thought the apricot, almond paste, cheese combo worked well.

edit: Substantial edits.

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There are a lot of things here, so I'll just get in to it.
1.  Packaging was absolutely not what I'll use, either in presentation, security, wrapping, or carrier.  I made a commitment to a Monday ship and as Monday afternoon approached I grabbed whatever I had that would be acceptably functional given the intent to provide edibles through the mail.  I have given a ton of thought to this and even sourced competing products to learn from those who have experience in this sort of thing.  I'll make up a mock box and post it here for comment.  Being in sales and marketing for a couple decades has given me some experience in this area.
2.  Freezing before baking and providing instructions for the final bake is not an option as I'll lose quality control.  Freezing after baking and shipping frozen will not require dry ice so the cost will not go up.  The moisture trapped in the packaging during the defrost while in transit will likely destroy the bottom of the pastry as all the water from condensation gets pulled down by gravity.  I will probably try this, but I think with the proper packaging the best alternative is shipping unfrozen.  Again, quality control is at stake.  When it comes down to it, the visual risk outweighs the quality risk be a wide margin.
3.  I agree that the instructions will not provide an option for eating before reheating.
4.  I'm pleased you like the combination.  It's looking like that's one of the preferred choices around here, and if I were ordering one that's the one I would try first.  I'm glad I could provide a little guidance with the flavor choice combinations.

Will you clarify your thoughts on the relative amounts of each of the three component fillings, dough texture (especially the inside of the ring and the bottom), amount of glazing and almonds?  After reheating, please, since going forward that's the only option.


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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #153 on: March 09, 2012, 01:30:11 pm »
Got home after work this afternoon to find a medium flat rate box sitting on my stoop. I smiled because I knew what was inside waiting for me. But the damned postman set it on the step upsidedown! The box arrived intact and in good shape so I was hopeful. However when I opened the box, I found a lot of almonds and other pieces loose inside. The wax paper wasn't ripped at all like it was with shmokes, but the the pastry was "squared" moving about during transit. I would recommend finding a somewhat stiff cardboard ring to place the pastries inside to prevent the "squaring".





Right out of the box this thing smelled great! ... Typically, if I was given a number of options for flavors of pastries, I would go with apple or bear claw ... to my surprise, I was quite pleased with this flavor combonation. Most pastries I eat (I maybe have only 10 a year) are unheated. As Mikezilla already stated, the center of the pastry was a little on the raw side, which is not a bad thing, because I like this too. One thing I did like was that the pastry wasn't "sweaty" and sticky like the mass produced ones that are individually wrapped in plastic. On a scale of 1 to 10 I'd rate the unwarmed piece at about a 7.5 for "total pastry experience." The last bite wasn't very enjoyable. It was a dark brown, not quite burnt bottom, and didn't taste very well.

I warmed up 4 pieces after dinner for dessert for the family. The flaky texture of the warmed pastry definitely makes this the best way to consume, much better than unwarmed. The family didn't like the pastry as much as I did, however ... The wife enjoyed the flavors and textures, but the pastry didn't wow her. Our daughter (7) took one bite and said she didn't want to eat anymore. Usually she's crazy about anything sweet, Our son (15) thought the kitchen smelled great while they were warming up. He said the pastry was "pretty good" overall. But he didn't want to finish his sister's piece. an 8.5-8.75 out of 10. The dark brown bottom tasted much better on the warmed pieces than the unwarmed one.

I was really impressed with the appearance of the pastries in the photos of them before they shipped. I really like the layered circle. The wife told me that this is probably something she wouldn't buy ... I wouldn't be inclined to buy such a large pastry (which surprised me, you said 8" diameter, but this thing ended up being much larger than I expected). I would probably buy a piece or two with a cup of coffee somewhere, but this isn't something I would order to have shipped to me, but I have never ordered any food item off of the internet that needed to be shipped. My work gets kringles shipped to our office every xmas from one of our customers, and I could see ordering one of these easier as a gift for someone than buying one for myself.

I would have gone with my initial flavor pick of apple. The cherry is good, but I'm a sucker for apple. Although this wasn't enjoyed by everyone in my house, I will be thoroughly enjoying it until there is nothing left to enjoy!

 :cheers:

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Nephasth,
I think you got the short end of the stick.  Now your family will never trust your judgement again.  Just kidding.  I'll try to dissect this experience without making excuses.
1.  I like that you identified twice that the smell was an important indicator.  That's very valuable marketing information for me.
2.  The options for fillings will include apples as well as several others including several stone fruit and berries as well as pears.  There will be savory choices as well.
3.  The sweaty and sticky comment is also critical in my marketing.
4.  The bottom of your pastry was ruined, and I'll take care no ensure that doesn't happen again.  I know exactly why this happened with yours.
5.  Many hundreds, perhaps over a thousand people have eaten this pastry and the reaction from your wife and kids was atypical.  I would love for you to nail down the exact reasons they had these reactions.  What would they have preferred this to be?  Sweeter?  Not burned?  Different filling?  Texture?  Arriving in one piece and not looking like $H*T?
6.  Your wife would buy ... why?  Because it sucked so bad or because your household aren't really pastry eaters?  I understand your point about not wanting such a huge pastry and I make individual portioned pastries for that reason.
7.  You mentioned this would be a better gift for someone that for yourself.  Because the quality is not there, or because you don't like sweets too much?  Or a combination of both?  In other words, if it were fantastic would you even consider buying such a pastry for your family?  What would it take to make it fantastic?

Very interested in some of your responses.
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #154 on: March 09, 2012, 01:45:54 pm »
I could answer a few of your questions now, but I will wait until I can answer all of them at once. Those were just our initial reactions to our first tastings. We still have just over half of the pastry left. My wife didn't dislike the pastry, she thinks it's tasty, but she just didn't get that "wow" impression. I will ask my wife and our son to go more in depth with their thoughts on this, the little girl might not be able to explain her reasons for not liking it though (but I will try to get her to try it again).

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #155 on: March 09, 2012, 02:19:20 pm »

Will you clarify your thoughts on the relative amounts of each of the three component fillings, dough texture (especially the inside of the ring and the bottom), amount of glazing and almonds?  After reheating, please, since going forward that's the only option.


Unfortunately I have little to add. I just heated and consumed two more pieces so I could address your questions with fresh information (the tough life of a product tester). But I feel like the pastry is pretty well nailed, at least beyond my experience/skill to suggest many improvements. I wouldn't want more or less filling, and the proportions of each filling tasted right to me. I couldn't say that any one should be increased or reduced without trying two different prototypes side-by-side. But I think I could tell if it was wrong . . . like if you used too much almond paste and not enough apricot. So I think your instincts were probably just right.

I'm a toasted almond fiend, so I wouldn't mind more of those, but I'm also the guy who earlier in this thread said that putting on too many almonds was interfering with the presentation.

Icing, too, I thought was perfect. But I don't have much of a sweet tooth, so maybe the average person would prefer more. I'll take a baguette over pain au chocolat any day of the week. I lived for a few months a block away from a bakery that sold demi-baguettes with apricots baked right into them. I bought one every morning (except Thursdays when they were infuriatingly closed) still hot from the oven, on my way to work. But I don't really buy pastries ever. Maybe the occasional custard tart covered in raspberries, but rarely anything like a danish or a croissant.

The bottom of my pastry was fine. It's only a shade darker than the rest of the pastry with a few dark spots peppered about it here and there. It doesn't exhibit any burned qualities. It doesn't stand out as being noticeably different at all in flavor or texture from the rest of the pastry.
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #156 on: March 09, 2012, 02:43:44 pm »
I could answer a few of your questions now, but I will wait until I can answer all of them at once. Those were just our initial reactions to our first tastings. We still have just over half of the pastry left. My wife didn't dislike the pastry, she thinks it's tasty, but she just didn't get that "wow" impression. I will ask my wife and our son to go more in depth with their thoughts on this, the little girl might not be able to explain her reasons for not liking it though (but I will try to get her to try it again).

I'm in no rush, and I understand not everyone will have that "wow" moment, nor should they.  Just getting very appreciated feedback.  Sometimes the feedback provides an "AHA!" moment, sometimes it's noise, and both are valuable.  Look at it this way: pretend I'm building my own arcade machine (assuming you want one in the first place).  How do I make it one just have to play?  And why do you come back?
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #157 on: March 09, 2012, 02:55:49 pm »

Will you clarify your thoughts on the relative amounts of each of the three component fillings, dough texture (especially the inside of the ring and the bottom), amount of glazing and almonds?  After reheating, please, since going forward that's the only option.


Unfortunately I have little to add. I just heated and consumed two more pieces so I could address your questions with fresh information (the tough life of a product tester). But I feel like the pastry is pretty well nailed, at least beyond my experience/skill to suggest many improvements. I wouldn't want more or less filling, and the proportions of each filling tasted right to me. I couldn't say that any one should be increased or reduced without trying two different prototypes side-by-side. But I think I could tell if it was wrong . . . like if you used too much almond paste and not enough apricot. So I think your instincts were probably just right.

I'm a toasted almond fiend, so I wouldn't mind more of those, but I'm also the guy who earlier in this thread said that putting on too many almonds was interfering with the presentation.

Icing, too, I thought was perfect. But I don't have much of a sweet tooth, so maybe the average person would prefer more. I'll take a baguette over pain au chocolat any day of the week. I lived for a few months a block away from a bakery that sold demi-baguettes with apricots baked right into them. I bought one every morning (except Thursdays when they were infuriatingly closed) still hot from the oven, on my way to work. But I don't really buy pastries ever. Maybe the occasional custard tart covered in raspberries, but rarely anything like a danish or a croissant.

The bottom of my pastry was fine. It's only a shade darker than the rest of the pastry with a few dark spots peppered about it here and there. It doesn't exhibit any burned qualities. It doesn't stand out as being noticeably different at all in flavor or texture from the rest of the pastry.

This really helps me understand what's going on.  I wonder about the few dark spots, however I'm pretty certain about the cause so I'll pay close attention to that.   It's kinda funny about the almonds, only because I could really see they didn't translate well in pictures.

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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #158 on: March 09, 2012, 03:13:49 pm »
No need to guess at what the bottom looks like. Here's a couple pictures taken in the same light so you can compare the top to the bottom.
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Re: Danish Pastry guinea pigs needed
« Reply #159 on: March 09, 2012, 04:50:52 pm »
Next up is group two.  It may take a bit to get these out because I want to work on what I've learned and that takes a lot of time, baking, and eating way to much pastry.  I promise it won't be much over a couple of weeks if that.
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Not as long a wait as group 3, but a better pastry than group 1... Group 2 FTW!!!  :D

Seriously, looking forward to this, moreso now that I'm seen and heard some responses.  If this arrives right before Palm Sunday, I'll have a houseful of Italian and Polish feedback.  If way before (how long could I store it before serving?) or after, I'm thinking about bring it to work, but don't know if I'll be able to heat it which appears to be key.  Microwaving would be a bad thing I assume, wonder if we have a toaster oven in the building anywhere??

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