RIP Amy Winehouse

[FrizzleFried]

 I dont know Amys troubles... but Obviously, she had them.  Maybe her dad or someone else molested her as a child.

I guess you're not big on personal responsibility?

R.I.P. Amy... talent wasted.

[amendonz]

no comment on her death other than saint had the best thought... but when it comes to her 'talent' i can't help but think she was greatly over rated and this early death is going to somehow make her a singing 'great' which imo she isn't. its not like shes a bad singer but the her whole sound is a massive rip off and a gimmick. ah well condolences to the family

[Vigo]

The very people Jesus was angered over, he was basically calling them Trolls.

 The people shooting rocks at Jesus?  Trolls.

 Me when I was a little kid?  Troll.

 I am never going to claim to be any holy man.  Merely that my outlook on life has changed, and Ive become a better person.

 And even as I labeled the Trolls (and trust me, they know they are... as they even label themselves as such) , I did extend my true sympathies to their mostly self created sufferings.  Unlike them, I am compassionate.   Yet in return, what do I get?  A curse.   Which is very telling, and pretty much an expected reaction.

 Very sad indeed.  But hey, I was once a Troll.. and if I could change, I feel others can too.  There is always hope.

 Theres no curse in this world that will ever do worse than Ive done to myself.  Only I alone can save or ruin my own life.  And only a fool would believe that such things would work in the first place, especially to those who are in the right.  (the light of love cuts through all darkness)

 Dabbling in darkness only consumes oneself in it. So in essence, they are merely just damning themselves even deeper into a dark hole.

This is not a religious debate, but since you know the story, you would know that Jesus knew the woman's exact sins without anyone telling him. Jesus knew what was in her heart, and he knew what was in the heart of the people who called her names. It was his right and his right alone to judge those people as right or wrong, but it was not anyone else's right.

No matter, it it not our place to use religion as a shield to justify when we put others down, nor should religion be used to pull ourselves up higher than others. (It is not on the correct message board either) What gives you the moral right to say that you are compassionate and the people you label as trolls are not? Please spare the religious shield, spare the "better than those guys" routine, and realize that you do not know the people you condemn. If they are truely working out inner problems as you suggest, then it would be most prudent to stop telling them they are "damning themselves even deeper in a dark hole". It sounds like you are the one here doing the cursing.

[CheffoJeffo]

The very people Jesus was angered over, he was basically calling them Trolls.

 The people shooting rocks at Jesus?  Trolls.

 Me when I was a little kid?  Troll.

 I am never going to claim to be any holy man.  Merely that my outlook on life has changed, and Ive become a better person.

 And even as I labeled the Trolls (and trust me, they know they are... as they even label themselves as such) , I did extend my true sympathies to their mostly self created sufferings.  Unlike them, I am compassionate.   Yet in return, what do I get?  A curse.   Which is very telling, and pretty much an expected reaction.

 Very sad indeed.  But hey, I was once a Troll.. and if I could change, I feel others can too.  There is always hope.

 Theres no curse in this world that will ever do worse than Ive done to myself.  Only I alone can save or ruin my own life.  And only a fool would believe that such things would work in the first place, especially to those who are in the right.  (the light of love cuts through all darkness)

 Dabbling in darkness only consumes oneself in it. So in essence, they are merely just damning themselves even deeper into a dark hole.

A curse ?

How sad it must be for you to go through life completely lacking a sense of humour.

The "curse" in question was a line from the movie "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the 8th Dimension", as have been all of the other quotes I have made in this thread,

You are, indeed, a moron.

Stop spouting your nonsense about how enlightened you are (really, who thinks that quoting Lord John Whorfin is a real curse?) -- one of us has actually studied with the Dalai Lama, and one of us hasn't.

Tibetan is a hard language, but nowhere near as bad as reading your posts.

 

[Xiaou2]

A curse ?

 well, I guess you cant read now can you?  Ahh well, we all know the reality of this "Joke".  Its funny and sad that you think people cant see right through you.

How sad it must be for you to go through life completely lacking a sense of humour.

 I reserve humor for those who actually are friendly and present it as such.
You have been nothing but a rock thrower to me and countless others here.

 And yeah, its not humor.  Anyone can clearly see that.

The "curse" in question was a line from the movie "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the 8th Dimension", as have been all of the other quotes I have made in this thread,

You are, indeed, a moron.

 Because I dont know some cheezy useless movie makes me a moron ehh?
Nice call.

 And yeah, BTW, its still a curse.

 What If I start quoting Nazi propaganda from a film, or threats of violence from an action film?  Do you think that really changes things?
 
 The only things funny to you, is bashing other people to try to make yourself feel better about yourself.  You "think" you come off as witty and cool, but the reality is furthest from it.

-- one of us has actually studied with the Dalai Lama, and one of us hasn't.

Tibetan is a hard language, but nowhere near as bad as reading your posts.

A: You dont know who Ive studied with, what Ive read, what Ive practiced..etc.
B: I dont care who you studied with... cause obviously, it didnt rub off.
C: Its almost as if to say you are bragging.  Which is pretty funny really.

 The path to enlightenment and betterment isnt attained by 'rockstar' status figures.  Its an internal battle of the self.

 Its nothing to brag about either.  Its something that is liberating, and something that should be shared with others, to try to help elevate them as well.

[Vigo]

I wonder if this thread will still be here in the morning?

[Xiaou2]

I sure am glad that people like me pay taxes so that people like you can blame everyone else for their 'disabilities'.

A: Dear PBJ, first off, I do have a job.  In fact, I started working Illegally when I was underage, and have been working nearly nonstop ever since.

B: And the times when I was not working, most times I was using my own savings to keep myself afloat.

C: And every dollar you make, is made off the back of Slave Labor in China, India, and other poor as hell countries... all the while You living under the Convenient unbrella of a curently "$14,347,377,485,924.18" national deficit.  Which works out to  "46,132.00." per person living in the usa.  Which is growing exponentially every day...

 You are just as bad or good as the next person...  Except that you think you are better & superior, when really, you should be thinking how fortunate you are, and how sad it is for the lesser fortunate people, of which you take advantage of indirectly.

 If it were not for them, you wouldnt have Squat.  And if the US Debts were to be called in today... everything you have ever bought would be repossessed.  Your land taken.  You put out in the streets, possibly doing some China mans chores for a mere meal... "IF" you were so lucky.

D:  Spending a little money to help save a person, may help them from wrecking other innocent peoples lives... Such as mowing over your little daughter in a drunken accident.  Save accident fees, hospital bills, reconstruction of buildings and structures, legal fees, and much more.

E:  Spending a little money to educate people better + spotting troubled people, could save both lives and money.  For example, all those prisoners have to be clothed, washed, laundered, fed, watched over, court fees, hardware, driven, protected, etc.   In fact, USA is one of the leaders in having the most criminals per population levels.  Nice ehh?


 I could go on and on about the travesties of modern society.. but I wont.  The point is clear... that you are wrapped up in yourself and your own very limited and self centered point of views.  You dont see reality clearly nor truthfully... and yet you feel confident and prideful in it.

 Not one shred of compassion was spoken when you told a foreigner wishing for a pinball machine, to 'get a job'.  When the reality is, if he worked 5x times harder than you, 15 hrs a day, for +10yrs... he still couldnt really justify / afford buying a machine.  He probably couldnt even afford to pay his electric bill to run the thing even if he did manage to get hold of one.

 Heartless. Selfish. Cold.

 Not a single apology for it.  Remorse?  Conscience?

 Heres some food for thought....  One day, you will pass away.  And when that day comes... you just Might be given the choice to live again.  Accept, when you come back, it will be in the body of an indian cotton worker.  Sweating 16hrs a day just to have a little rice, while sleeping under your sewing machine.


 While Im not saying that life is fair, that I dont also enjoy the fruits, nor am I going to give everything I own away...  I do realize what I have is a tremendous gift in comparison. And that I try my very best not to look down on people, nor cast stones and harsh judgments. 

 Forgiveness, Compassion, and understanding... are key, and are some of the best traits of humanity.

[CCM]

And that I try my very best not to look down on people, nor cast stones and harsh judgments. 

 

Thanks I needed a good laugh tonight!  That was priceless! 

[wp34]

I wonder if this thread will still be here in the morning?

+1

[Malenko]

Only I alone can save or ruin my own life. 

I'll ignore the Holy Trolly talk, this isnt PnR, but why is this true for you but not for her?

[Vigo]

Only I alone can save or ruin my own life. 

I'll ignore the Holy Trolly talk, this isnt PnR, but why is this true for you but not for her?

Because apparently we are all slave owners on this side of the ocean.

C: And every dollar you make, is made off the back of Slave Labor in China, India, and other poor as hell countries.

What a nonsensical post from X2. Talking about wanting to spend money on things like keeping people from "mowing over their daughters" and "spotting troubled people"  What, do we send the thought police to arrest people before they have a chance to commit a crime? Hold on while I get my third world slaves to fetch my big American checkbook, I need to donate to this cause.  I sense that X2 is troubled and needs to be preemptively locked up for the safety of society. After a lobotomy some "re-education" we will release him in the wild again. Maybe.

[Hoopz]

Before this thread goes to PnR or PH, I just want to say thanks for the kind thoughts regarding the passing of my friend.  I'm sure most people have known someone with cancer so it's difficult for a lot of people to deal with.

Ironically, the youth group that I work for is a partner with Relay for Life and our members have started to really become active in that cause.  It just wasn't enough yet to help him.   

[CheffoJeffo]

Because I dont know some cheezy useless movie makes me a moron ehh?

If you don't know it, how can you call it cheezy and useless?

 

[Rando]

I liked Amy's music, so I'm sad she's gone.

I feel for troubled people, so I'm sorry that she never got the help she needed.

However,
Has she not been the train-wreck that she was, I don't think she would have been as good.  Her lyrics conveyed real pain (see Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, Janis Joplin, etc.), which touches people, which is why there are so many more good sad songs than happy.  I'm sorry for her and maybe the family, but I'm in no way surprised by the way things went down, and surprised it didn't happen sooner.  More so than "Rehab", I think her ealier popular song said it better:

I cheated myself
Like I knew I would
I told you, I was trouble
You know that I'm no good

If nothing else, she didn't seem to lie about who she was, which is refreshing.

[Mikezilla]

The very people Jesus was angered over, he was basically calling them Trolls.

 The people shooting rocks at Jesus?  Trolls.

 Me when I was a little kid?  Troll.

 I am never going to claim to be any holy man.  Merely that my outlook on life has changed, and Ive become a better person.

 And even as I labeled the Trolls (and trust me, they know they are... as they even label themselves as such) , I did extend my true sympathies to their mostly self created sufferings.  Unlike them, I am compassionate.   Yet in return, what do I get?  A curse.   Which is very telling, and pretty much an expected reaction.

 Very sad indeed.  But hey, I was once a Troll.. and if I could change, I feel others can too.  There is always hope.

 Theres no curse in this world that will ever do worse than Ive done to myself.  Only I alone can save or ruin my own life.  And only a fool would believe that such things would work in the first place, especially to those who are in the right.  (the light of love cuts through all darkness)

 Dabbling in darkness only consumes oneself in it. So in essence, they are merely just damning themselves even deeper into a dark hole.

A curse ?

How sad it must be for you to go through life completely lacking a sense of humour.

The "curse" in question was a line from the movie "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the 8th Dimension", as have been all of the other quotes I have made in this thread,

You are, indeed, a moron.

Stop spouting your nonsense about how enlightened you are (really, who thinks that quoting Lord John Whorfin is a real curse?) -- one of us has actually studied with the Dalai Lama, and one of us hasn't.

Tibetan is a hard language, but nowhere near as bad as reading your posts.

 

Rock on Cheffo, my sentiments exactly.

And regarding your view of the economy X2? Cmon man. Jeebus. Im too lazy to write out how I really feel, and this thread is probably going to go to PH anyway, but man. X2, you are seriously one messed up individual. I feel sorry for you.  As usual, Vigo pretty much summed up what I wanted to say.

[eds1275]

Amy Winehouse - I don't think she was talented but she had a look and a style of her own. I didn't care for her music, but it is sad that she passed away so young.

[CCM]

wow!  After seeing what a train wreck she was at the end, it's hard to believe this used to be her:

shame to throw it all away..

[yotsuya]

wow!  After seeing what a train wreck she was at the end, it's hard to believe this used to be her:

shame to throw it all away..

You're right. She looks great in that video.

[Xiaou2]

Its no shock that the Trolls respond in similar fashion, banning together in the usual mob.

 Vigo being overly sarcastic, and Im pretty sure Mike thinking he was being literal.  Its laughable.

 Yeah Vigo, theres a difference between being invasive, and using concerning behavior to spot a person who needs some assistance.  This of course has nothing to do with lockups, and more to do with strengthening people who may need it before things get out of hand.

 As I said, my father is a key example.  If he is getting his way, you would think hes ok, but just a little odd in his behavior. Actually hes not ok.. but he puts on a good front. After a few drinks however, the facade drops, and that hidden odd behavior becomes a phobic/fear driven, irrational, violent, and crazed rage, capable of destroying others without any conscience at all.

 It was only after several recent arrests that hes finally been forced into evaluations and put into programs. Had this odd behavior been caught before this... he may have had been able to control himself, able to keep a job for more than a few months tops... and not mooching off your tax dollars for his entire life of recklessness & irresponsibility.


 As for the Economy, its pretty much proof in the pudding.  You are able to buy the latest Ipod, only because some Chinese worker will make it for 2 pennies of labor.  If that same thing was made in USA, from parts to labor... it would cost 10 times as much money... making it beyond the affordable point for the general masses.

 If the Chinese raise their prices, the factories just move to somewhere else cheaper... like possibly India.  Where slave labor, and living conditions, are even worse.

 I know some fool may try to point to complexities not mentioned... but it doesnt change a darn thing.  The reality is that economics is a corrupted joke, and that people are born slaves, with invisible ropes. (born into debt)

 Of course, its all good if you are born in the right places right?  But as I said before... what If you are reborn in India?  What If you are born in the center city of the poorest crime ridden city? What If you are born with a condition that could have been treated, but because you were ignored, you ended up taking others lives as a result.. then spending your time behind bars?

 If we have no compassion and concern for others today... its fair to say that someone else will not have compassion for us tomorrow.  And that is not how we should be. Not how we should live life or raise a society.

[Vigo]

Its no shock that the Trolls respond in similar fashion, banning together in the usual mob.

 Vigo being overly sarcastic, and Im pretty sure Mike thinking he was being literal.  Its laughable.

 Yeah Vigo, theres a difference between being invasive, and using concerning behavior to spot a person who needs some assistance.  This of course has nothing to do with lockups, and more to do with strengthening people who may need it before things get out of hand.

 As I said, my father is a key example.  If he is getting his way, you would think hes ok, but just a little odd in his behavior. Actually hes not ok.. but he puts on a good front. After a few drinks however, the facade drops, and that hidden odd behavior becomes a phobic/fear driven, irrational, violent, and crazed rage, capable of destroying others without any conscience at all.

Ok X2, I'll hear you plan out. Since you believe in policing behavior, what would you propose, in solid terms be done for people who do not break the law, but exhibit that 'concerning behavior' that you want to prevent. Lets say we have a guy who lives by himself, normal job, normal house, doesn't break any laws, but every day buys a pile of barbie dolls and takes them home, rips their heads off and covers them in ketchup while crying out the lyrics to camptown races. Obviously disturbing behavior that could be interpreted that the person may commit a violent act in the future. How do you:

• A: Propose the money you want spent on finding and catching this kind person be used
• B: Expect to not violate the right against unwarranted search and seizure.
• C: Plan to do about people who exhibit this behavior

As for the Economy, its pretty much proof in the pudding.  You are able to buy the latest Ipod, only because some Chinese worker will make it for 2 pennies of labor.  If that same thing was made in USA, from parts to labor... it would cost 10 times as much money... making it beyond the affordable point for the general masses.

 If the Chinese raise their prices, the factories just move to somewhere else cheaper... like possibly India.  Where slave labor, and living conditions, are even worse.

See, this only shows how very little you know about global economics. Currencies do not hold the same value from country to country. While I do not have the exact currency values, I will illustrate the best that I can. Lets say someone it China made 2 dollars an hour for working in a shoe factory. That 2 dollars could buy a full meal for that person's entire family. That is something incredibly tough to to here in the US on our $7.25 minimum wage.

I worked with a friend who was a missionary worker in Africa. The town he worked in was deeply impoverished about 15 years ago when he first came. Shortly after, an american company built a factory up in the town (I think it was soap or something). People were lined up to work at that factory. The people lucky enough to work there were the wealthiest in town, and soon a marketplace emerged and the local economy began to flourish for the people who didn't work there as well. The town was industrializing and people from all around came to the town to work and start a livelihood for their families. More international business built factories and soon there was competition for the workers. The labor became more specialized, schools came in, the whole nine yards. My friend in essence witnessed industrialization in a span of 10 years take place in front of him. Every nation must go through industrialization to develop, America did. I don't know if the factories moved out of town or not, but they were no longer needed, the economy was developed enough. These factories are actually a pathway out of debt for so many people, and as you said yourself, it keeps the clothing and items we need everyday affordable for the masses, this includes for poor people in third world countries as well.

Oh, BTW, my uncle through marriage owns a number of clothing factories in China and Cambodia. My wife grew up working the floor in one of these factories during the 80's and 90's. The people were not working under rough conditions, they are not wearing loin clothes like you may envision, and they are treated like human beings. My wife knew so many people who were thankful every day for the job they had at the factory. My wife did not need to be reincarnated, as you suggest, to see what this life was like in a Chinese factory town.

[Malenko]

X2, why do you think that everyone who disagrees with you is trolling you? Did you not see my question, or just choose to ignore it?

If we have no compassion and concern for others today... its fair to say that someone else will not have compassion for us tomorrow.  And that is not how we should be. Not how we should live life or raise a society.

I'm curious, what do you do to help others? I'm not gonna laundry list what I do, but its a lot, even did Locks Of Love ( http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=68620.0 ) more than once.

[Mikezilla]

Vigo being overly sarcastic, and Im pretty sure Mike thinking he was being literal.  Its laughable.

Cmon dude. Really? You REALLY thought that I thought Vigo was being literal? 

[Vigo]

Vigo being overly sarcastic, and Im pretty sure Mike thinking he was being literal.  Its laughable.

Cmon dude. Really? You REALLY thought that I thought Vigo was being literal? 

What, you really didn't think that I owned checkbook fetching slaves and was going to fund sending X2 to a institution?

I was being super serial you guys!

[Malenko]

What, you really didn't think that I owned checkbook fetching slaves and was going to fund sending X2 to a institution?

I was being super serial you guys!

If we're really going to get him some help, I'll donate to the cause.

[Mikezilla]

What, you really didn't think that I owned checkbook fetching slaves and was going to fund sending X2 to a institution?

I was being super serial you guys!

If we're really going to get him some help, I'll donate to the cause.

I dont think all of us combined have enough money to even make a dent. 

[Dartful Dodger]

I just heard on the radio that it may not have been an overdose that killed her, but it was more likely an underdose.

She had quit cold turkey. Her body went into withdrawal.

She’s like those UFC guys that would rather be choked out than surrender.

I didn’t care one way or another about her before, but if this turns out to be true I’ll have a great respect for her and I'll give her music a chance.  

[Rando]

but if this turns out to be true I’ll have a great respect for her and I'll give her music a chance.  

Good music transcends the performer!  If you just listened to music performed by people you respected, your playlist would shrink shrink shrink!  Lots of good stuff out there by people/bands whose morals/beliefs are questionable at best.  Sublime's great song about looting during the LA riots comes to mind... 

[Dartful Dodger]

I listen to music on the radio stations that plays the types of music I like.

I wouldn't change the station, but I didn’t know who she was until she died and people started posting “Amy ! ...no, no, no!” on their Facebook wall and her face ended up on every news channel. Because of her voice and the content of her song, I just assumed she was an older black woman.

A month from now, if it turns out she was just another artist who died in a pool of her own vomit, I won't be giving her a second thought.

[Dartful Dodger]

I just heard on the radio that it may not have been an overdose that killed her, but it was more likely an underdose.

She had quit cold turkey. Her body went into withdrawal.

People will obviously believe anything.

I didn’t care one way or another about her before, but if this turns out to be true I’ll have a great respect for her and I'll give her music a chance.   

And you wonder why marketers make up lies...

The funny thing is, you're saying people will believe anything, because I'm waiting for all the facts before jumping to conclusions.

I’m not going to bother explaining this, because you’re obviously going to believe what you want to be true.

[Donkbaca]

Even its a withdrawl that killed her, its the same story: She died from drugs because she was not willing/able to get the right help.

I think every life is important.  Its a tragedy when someone so young dies, especially someone in a place where she could have left a real mark on this world.  I don't care about much else.  I think its sad.