The definitive list of crappy peripherals

[Donkbaca]

Top three:

Power Glove
U Force
Dreamcast Fishing Controller

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[Vigo]

Here is my list:

N64 - The Rumble Pack (mostly from a bad experiance, some of you might remember the story. . Nonetheless, I couldn't help but think Nintendo was overly patting themselves on the back about the rumble pack)

N64 - Memory Expansion

Dreamcast - VMU (Great in concept, very little actual usefulness)

Genesis - The Activator

SNES - Multitap

Gamecube - The Broadband adaptor.

[Mikezilla]

Here is my list:

N64 - The Rumble Pack (mostly from a bad experiance, some of you might remember the story. . Nonetheless, I couldn't help but think Nintendo was overly patting themselves on the back about the rumble pack)

N64 - Memory Expansion

Dreamcast - VMU (Great in concept, very little actual usefulness)

Genesis - The Activator

SNES - Multitap

Gamecube - The Broadband adaptor.

Man those are good ones. The multitap for sure. Im going to add:

Gamecube/Gameboy Advance: The connector thing, I dont know what its called, where you can connect your GBA to your gamecube. I think there were only 2 games that used it, zelda four swords adventures, and  FF: Crystal chronicles.

SNES- Super scope six. My dad got me one and it was retarded, only had one game for it and it blew. Hard.

NES- I also forgot the name of it, but that headset thing that let you use voice commands, and covered one eye. Only worked with Captain Skyhawk as far as I know.

I apologize in advance for not knowing the names of things. 

[Donkbaca]

Only problem with the rumble pack and multi tap is that subsequent consoles have rumble and multiplayer built in, so it couldn't have been that bad of an idea. 

+1 on the game cube GBA connection thing, I forgot about that one

[Donkbaca]

The xbox 360 webcam thingy is stupid...

[Malenko]

PocketStation for the PSX  import only, and like 7 games used it. It was basically a dreamcast VMU before there was a dreamcast VMU
Sega Channel for Sega Genesis .Too far ahead of its time
Batter Up for SNES/Genesis. a mercury switch inside a foam bat
XBand for SNES and Genesis. 56k online fighting!
Gameboy Camera and Printer .....seriously, this existed
HD-DVD for Xbox 360.  Well this is a toss up, I still use mine as an external bootable DVD drive for PCs.
I'm torn on saying the 32X, cause even though only a dozen or so games were released, nothing could top the joy I had of playing Virtua Fighter and Racing in my bedroom when I was younger.

NES- I also forgot the name of it, but that headset thing that let you use voice commands, and covered one eye. Only worked with Captain Skyhawk as far as I know.

That sounds like the Konami LaserScope, but it was like a replacement for the Zapper.

[Malenko]

Almost forgot Atari Jaguar CD

[Donkbaca]

jaguar cd doesn't count because the jaguar was crappy in itself...

[Mikezilla]

Malenko, good job on the Gameboy camera/printer, I forgot about that, but I remember it now, the commercials at least. Ahh. Laserscope. That rings a bell. I remember seeing the ad on the back of comics, with some punk kid looking like he had the time of his life, which, in reality, the thing sucked harder than a toothless hooker.

Im also going to say the bongos from Donkey Konga for the N64. Played it at Circuit City when it came out. I thought the thing was a joke. Im a drummer too, so, you think if anyone would like it, it would be me and my ilk.

[Donkbaca]

Donkey Konga was for the Gamecube.  It was actually kinda fun, and the adventure game with it was fun to play too.  I wouldn't call that a complete fail.  Just like the NES zapper wasn't a complete fail, even though most people only played duck hunt with it, and maybe Hogan's alley

[Mikezilla]

Donkey Konga was for the Gamecube.  It was actually kinda fun, and the adventure game with it was fun to play too.  I wouldn't call that a complete fail.  Just like the NES zapper wasn't a complete fail, even though most people only played duck hunt with it, and maybe Hogan's alley

Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that was for GC? Thats weird, thought it was N64. Seemed really dated when I played it. Hm. Like I said, I just played it at CC so I didnt really give it a shot, just seemed expensive for just one game. See the Zapper was cool because it came with the Nintendo, but it was fun, and you used it a lot with duck hunt, hogans alley, etc. I used to use it as a play gun when I wasnt using it when I was a kid, cause it looked like a laser gun. I had the grey one, not the stupid orange one.

[popsicle]

Intellivision Music Synthesizer

One supported (---smurfy---) game.  Was this thing even ever released?  See also Intellivision computer keyboard.

http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Intellivision_Music_Synthesizer

[lilshawn]

what... the... fu

[spoot]

Top three:

Power Glove
U Force
Dreamcast Fishing Controller

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Last girlfriend beats em all.     LOL

[elkameleon]

Hands down: Activator by Sega
EDIT: someone already mentioned this... Its so bad its mentioned twice!



And this is a close second: The Aura Interactor... what a piece of work this thing was, basically a subwoofer attached to your chest, that's it.

[Donkbaca]

How's about the original xbox controllers? Hornsby people hated those beasts, the atari jaguar controllers where horrible

[lilshawn]

How's about the original xbox controllers? Hornsby people hated those beasts, the atari jaguar controllers where horrible

sega saturn 3d control pad... it was like trying to hold on to a whopper with buttons on it

oh and THANK GOD sony didn't go ahead with the ps3 boomerang controller.

[amendonz]

 

crappy peripherals??? most things posted here are the best ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- ever.

power glove crappy? more like god like 

[lilshawn]

Anybody who says the power glove is "god like" clearly has never actually TRIED to play a game with it.

I'm talking actually play, not bring it out and masturbate with it.

[amendonz]

 

you're right i haven't, i just really like crappy old game peripherals, even if they are terrible to actually use.

[Vigo]

In a way you have a point. I would gladly take just about any of these old peripherals if they were given to me, but what is represented in this thread is crushed dreams and promises that these devices would add hours of amazing video game play to our lives.

Completely failed expectations.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

NES Roll and Rocker:
http://www.nesplayer.com/database/accessories/rollnrocker.htm



I owned one.

[DaveMMR]

You guys pretty much nailed all the bad ones.  Though I'd like to add these control pads that were made for the Genesis and SNES (I forgot the name of them) where there was no D-pad; you had to move your thumb over the sensor.  It was supposed to be easier for fighting games (to pull off the special moves) but it just felt weird and uncomfortable.  (I only got them because the company sent me two for free for some reason.)

The eReader for the GBA was a decent idea that ultimately didn't add up to much.  Having to swipe a bunch of cards to play Ice Climber while this big hulking thing was sticking out of your handheld was more trouble than it was worth. 

Also, the fret controller (whatever it's called) for the Nintendo DS version of Guitar Hero.  I think five minutes after it came out, they updated the DS to the DSi - removing the GBA slot in the process - rendering that peripheral unusable to those who upgraded.

I could go on - but I'm at work and should probably stop.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

That would be these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Touch_360

[Blanka]

IOmega ZIP-drives  
Oops, the category is Consoles 

[ChadTower]

I made heavy use of Zip disks in college and they made my life a whole lot easier.  There weren't a whole lot of options at that time for moving 100meg of data around.  CD writers and CDRs were out of reach for a poor college student.

I do wish the drives were made better.  I had too many zip disks eaten by their own drives.

[Hoopz]

I finally pitched my Iomega drive a couple of years ago.  I agree, the failure rate was high but they were handy well before flash drives were cheap.

[Malenko]

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IOmega ZIP-drives 
Oops, the category is Consoles 

We got past 15, Blanka starts it and chad runs with it

[Vigo]

Let me try to re-rail this thread.

Any of those old intellivision/atari/commodore "voice recognition" peripherals. Voice recognition failure 99%

[Hoopz]

Did Intellivision have voice recognition?  Do you mean the voice synthesizer?

[Donkbaca]

way to right the ship vigo, we were probably 4 posts away from asian rape games...

I remember those touch controllers, I think my buddy got one, and i think he too, got it for free.

Is it just me? Or is nintendo the king of crappy peripherals...

[Hoopz]

(my over under on posts until someone talks about cartoon ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- or some other wild off topic thread jack 15)

IOmega ZIP-drives 
Oops, the category is Consoles 

We got past 15, Blanka starts it and chad runs with it

Like anyone expected it to last that long?  I'm surprised it didn't start sooner.

[ChadTower]

Like it matters.  Conversations evolve.  Life is hard.  Wear a helmet.

[Vigo]

Did Intellivision have voice recognition?  Do you mean the voice synthesizer?

The intellivision one probably was a voice synthesizer. I don't remember much these days. I am pretty sure the atari 2600 and c64/128 had crappy voice recognition devices though.

[Hoopz]

Did Intellivision have voice recognition?  Do you mean the voice synthesizer?

The intellivision one probably was a voice synthesizer. I don't remember much these days. I am pretty sure the atari 2600 and c64/128 had crappy voice recognition devices though.

Intellivision's was a synthesizer.  It supported 3 or 4 games.  Nothing extraordinary but still cool.  One was a Tron game, B22 bomber was another.

Atari sucks so what did you expect from them?   

[CCM]

Speaking of Intellivision... I always hated the controllers for that thing.

[DaveMMR]

That would be these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_Touch_360

YES!  Thank you! Craptastic controllers...

[Vigo]

Speaking of Intellivision... I always hated the controllers for that thing.

Was the intellivision the system where you would slide in different cards into the controller that would tell you what each button did? Things are getting fuzzy for me on the intellivision... 

[Hoopz]

Speaking of Intellivision... I always hated the controllers for that thing.

Was the intellivision the system where you would slide in different cards into the controller that would tell you what each button did? Things are getting fuzzy for me on the intellivision... 

I hope when CCM is playing his favorite game and he's about to hit a new high score, his power goes out.   

That controller was great.  It took a little to get used to it, but after a couple of games, it was great to play with.  Those that had an Intellivision got really good at them and guys that didn't have that system always struggled to get comfortable with it.

They had overlays that you could slide in to know what button did what.  I used them at first but found it felt better to use them without putting the overlays in.  I still have a pair of original controllers hooked up to a PC for playing with an emulator. 

[elkameleon]

The standard controller that came with the virtual boy was rather horrid. It was good if you were a lefty though... Its like 2 dongs in the palms of your hands. I can't really say if thats true, I've only ever had one dong in my hand at any one time.

[Donkbaca]

If the intellivision controllers were that great, someone would have copied the design... oh wait the jaguar did...

[Vigo]

That controller was great.  It took a little to get used to it, but after a couple of games, it was great to play with.  Those that had an Intellivision got really good at them and guys that didn't have that system always struggled to get comfortable with it.

They had overlays that you could slide in to know what button did what.  I used them at first but found it felt better to use them without putting the overlays in.  I still have a pair of original controllers hooked up to a PC for playing with an emulator. 

Thanks for the clarification. I remember the controller much better now. Although I am a fan of the classic joysticks, I do remember thinking how awesome it was that the intellivision had a more controls than it's competition. One button only gets a little difficult with certain games.

I personally love paddle games as well, so I can't help but appreciate the controller for having the dial built in. I personally think the controller loses a lot in the style department, though.

[Hoopz]

That controller was great.  It took a little to get used to it, but after a couple of games, it was great to play with.  Those that had an Intellivision got really good at them and guys that didn't have that system always struggled to get comfortable with it.

They had overlays that you could slide in to know what button did what.  I used them at first but found it felt better to use them without putting the overlays in.  I still have a pair of original controllers hooked up to a PC for playing with an emulator. 

Thanks for the clarification. I remember the controller much better now. Although I am a fan of the classic joysticks, I do remember thinking how awesome it was that the intellivision had a more controls than it's competition. One button only gets a little difficult with certain games.

I personally love paddle games as well, so I can't help but appreciate the controller for having the dial built in. I personally think the controller loses a lot in the style department, though.

I prefer to think of it as function over form.   

[Malenko]

Was the intellivision the system where you would slide in different cards into the controller that would tell you what each button did? Things are getting fuzzy for me on the intellivision... 

yup, I played the ever loving ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of locomotion (I think that was the title, it was basically the pipe game but with railroad tracks)

[Ginsu Victim]

NES Roll and Rocker:
http://www.nesplayer.com/database/accessories/rollnrocker.htm



I owned one.

  You know you're getting a quality product when it has this on it:

[korbitz]

The 16k expansion for the old Sinclair ZX81, go within 5 inches of the keyboard/membrane and *pow*, reset time.

[lilshawn]

The 16k expansion for the old Sinclair ZX81, go within 5 inches of the keyboard/membrane and *pow*, reset time.

oh my god, that cheezed me off soooo bad that one time i picked it up and threw it against the wall... after that it never reset again... or start. i did love the shortcuts for all the basic commands though... mad slamming out a program takeing no time at all... chicks dig a super basic programmer.

i had the "Timex Sinclair 1000" version... called it the "TS1000"... people got all wide eyed when i said it 

[popsicle]

My Intellivision still works (it's flaky though - hit it gently and it resets) but I love the original controllers.  Nothing was better than playing another seasoned player in Baseball, where each fielder was a keypad button 1-9 you had to activate immediately when the ball was hit.  The Intellivision 2 (white controllers) were REALLY bad, and trying to push in those side buttons was really hard on the thumbs.   The only good thing about them is they plugged in and out, unlike the original controllers that were hardwired to the main unit.

The Intellivision disc had 16 directions, not 8, which was great for sports games, Tron Deadly Discs, Armor Battle, and many others where top down movement and firing were the crux of the gameplay. 

Sea Battle, Utopia, B-17 Bomber, and AD&D Treasure of Tarmin were and still are my favorites.

[Dartful Dodger]

R.O.B. (Robotic Operating Buddy)

[Hoopz]

My Intellivision still works (it's flaky though - hit it gently and it resets) but I love the original controllers.  Nothing was better than playing another seasoned player in Baseball, where each fielder was a keypad button 1-9 you had to activate immediately when the ball was hit.  The Intellivision 2 (white controllers) were REALLY bad, and trying to push in those side buttons was really hard on the thumbs.   The only good thing about them is they plugged in and out, unlike the original controllers that were hardwired to the main unit.

The Intellivision disc had 16 directions, not 8, which was great for sports games, Tron Deadly Discs, Armor Battle, and many others where top down movement and firing were the crux of the gameplay. 

Sea Battle, Utopia, B-17 Bomber, and AD&D Treasure of Tarmin were and still are my favorites.

Amen to all of that.  I have an original hooked up and play it and I use a set of original controllers on my PC.  The INTV 2 controllers were worse than awful.  The tactile feedback on the first one makes it easy to tell when you hit the button. 

Baseball was awesome but if you were playing against someone who was worse than you, it was a long game.  I had all of the sports games and had a blast with them.  Sea Battle was awesome as was both of the original AD&D games.  I also loved Burgertime, Lock n Chase, Night Stalker, Space Battle and Swords and Serpents. 

Intellivision is my favorite Christmas present ever. 

[DaveMMR]

Derailing thread to mention the BEST PERIPHERAL EVER....

Expansion Module #1 for the Colecovision (aka the thingee that lets you play VCS cartridges on its competitor).  Imagine if you had something for your PS3 that'll let you play 360 games (or vice versa).   Rumor has it one for ITV cartridges was in the works - but, you know, crash.   

Of course, something like that is impossible nowadays (ever since the NES when companies locked down their hardware and didn't use off-the-shelf parts), though Bleemcast! for the Dreamcast tried (until they were sued out of existence). 

(I didn't want to start a thread just for that - I apologize)

[Hoopz]

Derailing thread to mention the BEST PERIPHERAL EVER....

Expansion Module #1 for the Colecovision (aka the thingee that lets you play VCS cartridges on its competitor).  Imagine if you had something for your PS3 that'll let you play 360 games (or vice versa).   Rumor has it one for ITV cartridges was in the works - but, you know, crash.   

Of course, something like that is impossible nowadays (ever since the NES when companies locked down their hardware and didn't use off-the-shelf parts), though Bleemcast! for the Dreamcast tried (until they were sued out of existence). 

(I didn't want to start a thread just for that - I apologize)

I remember that but I didnt have any friends that had it.  If I recall correctly, there was one in the works for Atari to go to Intellivision too.

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

Derailing thread to mention the BEST PERIPHERAL EVER....

Expansion Module #1 for the Colecovision (aka the thingee that lets you play VCS cartridges on its competitor).  Imagine if you had something for your PS3 that'll let you play 360 games (or vice versa).   Rumor has it one for ITV cartridges was in the works - but, you know, crash.   

Of course, something like that is impossible nowadays (ever since the NES when companies locked down their hardware and didn't use off-the-shelf parts), though Bleemcast! for the Dreamcast tried (until they were sued out of existence). 

(I didn't want to start a thread just for that - I apologize)

+2

We had so many games. And a SuperCharger. It was k-rad. ;P

[SavannahLion]

NES Roll and Rocker:
http://www.nesplayer.com/database/accessories/rollnrocker.htm



I owned one.

Yeah, a little late there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyboard
Another link: http://www.geekvintage.com/atari-2600-joyboard.php



Yeah, it sucked even then.

The Atari XEGS Light gun sucked royal ass. I believe it was based on Atari's lightpen technology and not a single programmer ever thought to actually include some sort of calibration algorithm but, instead, hard coded the values.

Besides this stupidity anyone remember the Wireless controllers of the late 80's, early 90's? Specifically the Infrared Wireless ones? NES Satellite, the Acclaim Wireless Infrared Remote Control and various others? Bad enough the Atari Joysticks ran off on 49MHz (or whatever frequency it was) but to use IR for gaming? WTF were they thinking?!
Example 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NES_Satellite
Example 2:


How about Homework First? Just take a look at the pic, it was intended to prevent latchkey kids from playing the NES until Mommy and Daddy got home.

[Corbo]

The Logic3 Freewheel.  I had one of these.  You had to tilt it forward to accelerate and back to brake.  The result was that your F1 car felt more like a bus as you had to hold the wheel flat to go fast.

[Howard_Casto]

Here is my list:

N64 - The Rumble Pack
N64 - Memory Expansion
SNES - Multitap

It's a list of the worst accessories... not the best ones. 

[Howard_Casto]

Now, c'mon, the Aura Interactor was a decent sub and amp for $10 when Kay-Bee toys blew them out.   

How about we turn this topic around and say "which peripherals DIDN'T suck"?

I agree, many of these "worst" accessories people are posting are actually some of the best ones. 

The interactor was completely awesome....if you hacked it.... The thing came out in the n64 era.  The n64 had a detachable rumble pack  and the interactor used sound output to make it's "rumble".  Being a hacker even back in the day, you know what I did..... I cracked open my rumble pack, attached a phono plug in-line with the motor leads and boom!  The thing actually works as billed.  Let me tell you, MK Trilogy is on a whole new level when a sub-woofer shakes your chest apart every time somebody lands an uppercut.   

[Howard_Casto]

Ok.... getting back on topic. 

Some of the worst come from atari... and these are the MAIN controllers.

2600 joystick controller (nostalgia be damned, that thing was too stiff!!!)
atari 5200 controller (keypad anyone?)
atari Jaguar controller (damn i guess lightning does strike twice... in the head!)

Also the wii wheel.

[DaveMMR]

We haven't touched upon the Mindlink.  Probably doesn't count since it wasn't released:

[popsicle]

My Intellivision still works (it's flaky though - hit it gently and it resets) but I love the original controllers.  Nothing was better than playing another seasoned player in Baseball, where each fielder was a keypad button 1-9 you had to activate immediately when the ball was hit.  The Intellivision 2 (white controllers) were REALLY bad, and trying to push in those side buttons was really hard on the thumbs.   The only good thing about them is they plugged in and out, unlike the original controllers that were hardwired to the main unit.

The Intellivision disc had 16 directions, not 8, which was great for sports games, Tron Deadly Discs, Armor Battle, and many others where top down movement and firing were the crux of the gameplay. 

Sea Battle, Utopia, B-17 Bomber, and AD&D Treasure of Tarmin were and still are my favorites.

Amen to all of that.  I have an original hooked up and play it and I use a set of original controllers on my PC.  The INTV 2 controllers were worse than awful.  The tactile feedback on the first one makes it easy to tell when you hit the button. 

Baseball was awesome but if you were playing against someone who was worse than you, it was a long game.  I had all of the sports games and had a blast with them.  Sea Battle was awesome as was both of the original AD&D games.  I also loved Burgertime, Lock n Chase, Night Stalker, Space Battle and Swords and Serpents. 

Intellivision is my favorite Christmas present ever. 

My favorite Christmas present too

You simply must share how you have original Intellivision controllers working with your pc.  MUST I TELL YOU ! !

[hypernova]

We had an NES Satellite.  I liked it, as it allowed you to sit further from the TV.  Extension cords in those days didn't really even exist.

Also, the multi-tap for the SNES.  Why the hate Vigo?  That thing was great for any kind of Madden game with multiple people.  But that wasn't its main draw.  Biggest thing about it was the 3 player Secret of Mana!

The standard controller that came with the virtual boy was rather horrid. It was good if you were a lefty though... Its like 2 dongs in the palms of your hands. I can't really say if thats true, I've only ever had one dong in my hand at any one time.

So should we ask your Mom about it?

HI-OH!!!!!!

[RandyT]

Derailing thread to mention the BEST PERIPHERAL EVER....

Expansion Module #1 for the Colecovision (aka the thingee that lets you play VCS cartridges on its competitor).  Imagine if you had something for your PS3 that'll let you play 360 games (or vice versa).   Rumor has it one for ITV cartridges was in the works - but, you know, crash.  

Technically, that thing used the Colecovision as the "peripheral".  It was pretty much a complete VCS which plugged into the I/O of the Colecovision.  It was still awesome, though.

Here's my vote.  I was actually crazy enough to buy one (still have it buried in the collection) when they started dumping them for cheap.  Still paid too much  

[danny_galaga]

Ok.... getting back on topic. 

Some of the worst come from atari... and these are the MAIN controllers.

2600 joystick controller (nostalgia be damned, that thing was too stiff!!!)
atari 5200 controller (keypad anyone?)
atari Jaguar controller (damn i guess lightning does strike twice... in the head!)

Also the wii wheel.

I actually don't mind the Jaguar controller. The main thing they got wrong there (which people just looking at one on the internet wouldn't realise) is the buttons and D pad are too stiff, they probably should have made the rubber membrane differently.

[lilshawn]

best controller of all time, the SNES pad. those things where perfect. your hands are in a natural position, hand pleasing shape.... wasn't an inordinate amount of buttons, and they could take a stiff beating on the floor and still work. and the cord? good god, could you ask for one any longer? hard to believe the even thought to make an extension for it.

as far as the worst... i think it's a toss up between the original fat xbox controller... it had the black/white buttons so far off from reachable it made some games PAINFULL to play. thank god they redesigned it. best move the could have ever made to fix that abomination. and the N64 controller.... how many hands do they think we have? who the hell designs a controller that can only be 2/3 utilized at any one time? i mean ya, that under the analog stick trigger button was kinda cool for shooting games like golden eye, but not enough to save it.

[Donkbaca]

Saying a controller is good except for the buttons and dpad is like satin a chick is hot except for her body and face.

I think the dreamcast controller was good and I like the xb360 controllers. The she's pads wee good, but now they seem smallish

[lilshawn]

Saying a controller is good except for the buttons and dpad is like satin a chick is hot except for her body and face.

just ass and legs? i can live with that. 

The she's pads wee good, but now they seem smallish

stupid autocorrect... lemme get that for you...

The SNES pads were good, but now they seem smallish

it was 20 years ago, i was 10, and had smaller hands. i haven't touched a SNES controller in 15 years...i would imagine it might not be as great now as it was.

[Howard_Casto]

it was 20 years ago, i was 10, and had smaller hands. i haven't touched a SNES controller in 15 years...i would imagine it might not be as great now as it was.

Actually, unless you are Andre the Giant, the snes pad is quite large.  It has a nice big d-pad and decent sized buttons.....

As a comparison, the wii's dpad and buttons are half the size and a sony controllers dpad and buttons are around 75%. 

The only controllers that are larger would be the n64 controller and the dreamcast pad, both of which I feel were a little on the large side. 

Now xbox controllers are wider (as are many controllers) but the button and dpad clusters are exactly the same size as the snes, if that helps. 

And for the record, I'm looking at one right now along with all the other controllers I mentioned (sans sony... blah!!)

[danny_galaga]

. and the N64 controller.... how many hands do they think we have?

1996 called, they say they want their retort back.