Who hacked PSN?

[DaveMMR]

DaveMMR, all I'm suggesting is to stay away from anything in the future that has the name SONY on it, like TVs, etc.  Yeah, you might as well get your money's worth out of this generation, but F them in the future.  I still haz my PS2 (playing FFXII Int'l Zodiac Job System right now, incidentally).  Of course, Sony isn't making any money off of it.

I'm not going to lie to myself.  I tried avoiding the PS3 but at the end of the day I'm a gamer first and an activist last.  I wanted to play something they had to offer and there it goes.  Besides, every other day, someone on the interwebs is saying "Boycott Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft/Apple" for different reasons.  Doesn't seem like it has ever worked based on sales figures.

And you don't need to boycott anyhow - they're going to be losing plenty of money over this.

Besides, don't blame Sony for the wrong reasons.  Any company can get hacked.   What's being investigated is that they did not disclosure the nature of the attack fast enough, which is very wrong on their part.  If it's been proven they sat on this information, they're going to be nailed to the wall by entities bigger than any of us.

hey i know who haked psn.......me.

FYI, I would not even joke about saying so. Unless you want the FBI knocking on your door. It's a serious felony and you go to PRISON, not some country jail.

Wouldn't that only happen if they prove he hacked the network?

No, that would happen if they have ANY suspicion.  They don't screw around.  I've never been privy but I can't imagine having armed federal agents tearing apart your residence and confiscating your computer would be any fun. 

[RandyT]

If they retained, and allowed those 3-digit codes to be stolen, I can't imagine that this is going to end well.  An awful lot of internet retailers use that for proof of having the card in hand, because they know that it's not allowed to be retained.  Even if the 3-digit codes weren't compromised, the big danger is "phishing".  They have your name and email address associated with your card number, so it gets real easy to make the phishing attempts seem more convincing by showing you the first and/or last 4 of your card number that you think only the legit company would have.  So be even more cautious with information requests if you were affected by this breach.

I'm glad I never bought anything on PSN.

[hypernova]

Sony keeps saying they didn't store the CVV2 codes, but hey.  It's Sony.

Are the CVV2 codes based on some mathematical computation from your info/CC number?  I figured they were just randomly assigned.

Some people are reporting fraudulent charges on their cards, but of course, all this needs to be verified.

[RandyT]

Are the CVV2 codes based on some mathematical computation from your info/CC number?  I figured they were just randomly assigned.

I think your assumption is right.  They wouldn't have much value if they were based on the other info.  They weren't even always there, as I recall.  They were kind of added on to increase security, and that doesn't work if they are put at equal risk with the rest of the info.  They should never be kept by merchants.

[DaveMMR]

Sony's going to be resuming most services this week and apparently there'll be a little "goody basket" for those affected.

PSN and Qriocity will also be offering a “Welcome Back” program. This program is provided by Sony PlayStation in appreciation for their customers, understanding, patience, and support as well as in hopes of their continued loyalty to Sony. According to the press release the “Welcome Back” program will include, a 30 day free membership in the PlayStation Plus premium service for all existing PSN customers. PlayStation Plus users who are already a paying customer will receive 30 days free service as well. Music Unlimited subscribers who have been inconvenience will also receive free 30 days of service. Finally each region will receive selected PlayStation entertainment content for free download. Specific details are not available at this time; however PlayStation plans to make the announcement soon.

The "30-day free" promotions don't really impress me that much, considering how many companies offer one anyway as an enticement to get you to use their service.  This ranks only "slightly better" than Nintendo mailing everyone a $5 coupon when New York State sued them back in 1991.   Their "punishment" is selling more services.  If you're already a subscriber of either service though, then it's a better reward.

The free content does intrigue me, though, and I'm curious to see what they're offering.  Are they picking stuff people would actually want or are they going to offer up stuff that ranks at the bottom of the list?   Wait and see, I suppose.

[DNA Dan]

So let me get this straight.... Sony is going to offer a 30 day subscription FREE of charge, which I will probably have to enter in a NEW credit card only to have to call in and cancel it at a later date. Is this their way of getting people to re-enter in their cards? FU sony.

The email they sent was a joke. Giving me the addrees of Experian, TransUnion, etc. Call your Attorney General?? Are they serious? The least these a-holes should do is pay to have free credit monitoring for 2 years for every subscriber on PSN.

[Dartful Dodger]

I can't wait to give the company that lost information on one credit card, information about another credit card.

To make it easier for Sony to track our accounts I think we should give Sony our social security numbers and all our bank account numbers.

Is PSN even back up yet?

I'm also curious to see what they're offering.

[lilshawn]

Is PSN even back up yet?

I'm also curious to see what they're offering.

supposedly they have begun running today in a very limited capacity... my guess is they want to make sure it's not going to happen again.

i heard they transferred their servers someplace else entirely and implemented "stronger encryption" (read as "now actually using encryption")

bra-vo

[SavannahLion]

Is PSN even back up yet?

I'm also curious to see what they're offering.

supposedly they have begun running today in a very limited capacity... my guess is they want to make sure it's not going to happen again.

It appears to be by region. So it's probably going to penetrate the "major" markets first before it's spread out to the normal people.

Is there really a reason to enter a credit card? Can the PSN cards be used to pay for the "premium" service on a monthly basis? I don't know, I never really cared to pay for the premium service, not much there interests me.

I'll echo the same sentiment about the package:

Sony also detailed a ‘Welcome Back Appreciation Program’ for its users. The thank you package will include 30 free days of PSN Plus for every user, selected PlayStation entertainment content for free download (content will differ depending on your region), and 30 free days of Music Unlimited for Qriocity users. Sony says users can also expect additional "Welcome Back" entertainment and service offerings over the coming weeks.

This is a rather anemic package. Forget the rest of the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. How about $##.## worth of credit to spend on items of our own choosing? Oh well, I guess PSN Plus is the closest to that. Watch Sony let you download the freebie stuff you can get with PSN+ only to take them away if you let the "subscription" expire at the end of the month.

[lilshawn]

*bad asian accent*
Oh, soley... It no 77 mirion it was 102 mirion. So soley so soley.
*end bad accent*

Uh... Ya I got nothing. 25 million more? Really sony? REALLY? Really.

[Mikezilla]

*bad asian accent*
Oh, soley... It no 77 mirion it was 102 mirion. So soley so soley.
*end bad accent*

Uh... Ya I got nothing. 25 million more? Really sony? REALLY? Really.

 

[DaveMMR]

Nice lilshawn, only a tad racist.   

[lilshawn]

Sony has squandered so many opportunities in the last decade. Why license music from other labels for a game when you own your own record label?!?! Think of all the Sony Pictures Films that could have had games come out exclusively for PS3 and didn't. The Sony brand covers so many sections of technology and entertainment, that they no longer hold value in any of them. They just plod along, doing just enough to keep the peoples hype up.

This whole Playstation Network fiasco just might be the straw that broke the camels back.

[hypernova]

This whole Playstation Network fiasco just might be the straw that broke the camels back.

Nah...as one person (don't know) who coined it:  Americans are too lazy to hold a grudge.

[DaveMMR]

Sony has squandered so many opportunities in the last decade.

You're a little off on your assessment of how Sony's running it's business.  I'm not sticking up for them, but you do need to have your facts straight.  To explain further:

Why license music from other labels for a game when you own your own record label?!?!

That might make sense if Sony was the sole publisher of their games, but that's not the case.  Many publishers (EA, Activistion, etc.) release the same game across multiple consoles (specifically, the XBox 360), so only using Sony's catalog would be moot.  

But even if that wasn't the case, what fun would Rock Band, etc. be if you only had choice of songs from Sony's catalog?  The success of these games can be partially attributed to its wide variety of licensed music.    Oh and you can wave goodbye to Beatles Rock Band too...

Think of all the Sony Pictures Films that could have had games come out exclusively for PS3 and didn't.

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the game industry but games based on movies are often terrible.   Yes, you can say "Goldeneye" for the N64 or "The Warriors" for PS2 but then I'll just rebut with "Enter The Matrix" (merely okay but rushed) or "E.T." (partially responsible for destroying the video game industry in 1983).  Or how about half of Acclaim's output since the NES.  Or... just read through this page.

They just plod along, doing just enough to keep the peoples hype up.

What else would you like them to do?  Come over and give you a back massage while you're playing Mass Effect 2?  You already said you want limited music and crappy licensed games but the game makers are steering away from that considering us gamers have gotten wise to that cost-cutting crap.  There's no successor in sight for Sony's PS3 (this would typically be the year for the new generation's hardware to come out).  So as of right now, it's either enjoy what they have to offer, or see what MS or Nintendo is serving up.  

The whole hacking fiasco is terrible and people are going to lose their jobs over this (maybe) and customers are going to go elsewhere, but I feel like you're just making up reasons to be mad at them now.  But in all fairness, your have a right to base your buying decisions on whatever criteria you choose to follow.  Or maybe just stick to PC gaming.   Less drama and more of the games you might enjoy - like Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing.

By the way, one final point:

Sony has squandered so many opportunities in the last decade.

Sony's PS2 became the best-selling system of all-time in the past decade (toppling the original record holder, the NES).  I don't think they were worried about any lost opportunities. :-)

(P.S. I'm not a fanboy but I totally just sounded like one...)

[lilshawn]

Americans are too lazy to hold a grudge.

Sid The Sloth in the movie Ice Age


 
ya, it's THAT bad.

That might make sense if Sony was the sole publisher of their games, but that's not the case.  Many publishers (EA, Activistion, etc.) release the same game across multiple consoles (specifically, the XBox 360), so only using Sony's catalog would be moot.  

But even if that wasn't the case, what fun would Rock Band, etc. be if you only had choice of songs from Sony's catalog?  The success of these games can be partially attributed to its wide variety of licensed music.    Oh and you can wave goodbye to Beatles Rock Band too...

no, i wan't saying that at all... i mean yes, games like Rockband and Guitar Hero are going to have a set track list, they can't change that... I'm talking about games they personally published... why wouldn't they have had music from their own signed artists from their own record company in their own games? why waste money having to purchase licencing from a 3rd party when they could be passing money with one hand and taking it with the other?

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Think of all the Sony Pictures Films that could have had games come out exclusively for PS3 and didn't.
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the game industry but games based on movies are often terrible.   Yes, you can say "Goldeneye" for the N64 or "The Warriors" for PS2 but then I'll just rebut with "Enter The Matrix" (merely okay but rushed) or "E.T." (partially responsible for destroying the video game industry in 1983).  Or how about half of Acclaim's output since the NES.  Or... just read through this page.

I didn't say they would be any good. suffice it to say that allot of movies put out by sony pictures or their dozen or so subsidiaries or holdings or whatever you want to call it, are poo poo, one can only hope there is the possibility of something good.

considering us gamers have gotten wise to that cost-cutting crap.

absolutely. it still seems to happen though.

So as of right now, it's either enjoy what they have to offer, or see what MS or Nintendo is serving up.  

nintendo is famous for regurgitating the same thing with a shiny new wrapper, at least sony and MS push out something big... even though they have begun spiting out slim versions of the same thing to drum up sales.... but how many DS's do we need? look past the 3D and you have a regular DS... same as the 2 before it... same with the nintendo, then the "new" top load nintendo and the "new" SNES... dozens of incantations of the "gameboy". junk aside, sony is going to need to fast track something really really good or their customer base will move on.

(P.S. I'm not a fanboy but I totally just sounded like one...)

i'm not a fanboy, i don't even own one...I calls em' like I sees em'.

long story short, i think Sony is downplaying this still... this is still far worse than what they have admitted to.

[SNAAKE]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

[lilshawn]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

 

[SNAAKE]

^ excellent media player too. watch "obtained" 720p/1080p movies

 

[SavannahLion]

So as of right now, it's either enjoy what they have to offer, or see what MS or Nintendo is serving up.  

nintendo is famous for regurgitating the same thing with a shiny new wrapper, at least sony and MS push out something big... even though they have begun spiting out slim versions of the same thing to drum up sales.... but how many DS's do we need? look past the 3D and you have a regular DS... same as the 2 before it... same with the nintendo, then the "new" top load nintendo and the "new" SNES... dozens of incantations of the "gameboy". junk aside, sony is going to need to fast track something really really good or their customer base will move on.

You write that like Nintendo is the only one that does/did that. Sega had Genesis 1, 2, and 3 along with two iterations of the Sega CD and that's not counting the off shoot variations like the X'Eye, Multi-Mega, Nomad, and the unbelievably ---smurfy--- Firecore. And "the 'new' SNES"? Are you serious? You say that like the SNES is an offshoot of the NES. They're different beasts, not anything like what Atari has done with the 2600/7800 or even later generation consoles that every manufacture has done in some variation or another.

Hands down there is no other family that even comes remotely close to the sales numbers the Gameboy line generated for Nintendo. I can guarantee that if any other company produced those kinds of sales for their hand held, we would see the same kind of long running model changes. Where is the Lynx? How about the Game Gear? Turbo Express? Please, don't make me laugh. Check out the Wikipedia list and count how many have died off.

In the terms of the gaming field, Sony and Microsoft are still relative newcomers in the console industry. Hell, in terms of overall existence, Nintendo is the Grandpa in the industry. If repacking old tech keeps the company operating in the black, then it's obviously a working strategy.

[lilshawn]

And "the 'new' SNES"? Are you serious? You say that like the SNES is an offshoot of the NES. They're different beasts, not anything like what Atari has done with the 2600/7800 or even later generation consoles that every manufacture has done in some variation or another.

sigh...

[DaveMMR]

Lilshawn, rereleasing a console with a new form at the end of it's life is fairly common.
Atari did it, Sega did it, Sony did it.  It's usually to spark lagging sales and sometimes to address design flaws (e.g. NES).   

[shateredsoul]

Yeah, the gameboy was their golden ticket. I'm not sure why they released the Nintendo 3ds when it seemed like the Nintendo DS was far from dead. I think it had more to do with..

1. Competing with cellphones. Even if we say they don't, if they're sales are going down and cell phone games are going up, then they probably see it that way.

2. To try and combat piracy w/ the updatable firmware

The original gameboy was around forever, crappy graphics and all.

So as of right now, it's either enjoy what they have to offer, or see what MS or Nintendo is serving up.  

nintendo is famous for regurgitating the same thing with a shiny new wrapper, at least sony and MS push out something big... even though they have begun spiting out slim versions of the same thing to drum up sales.... but how many DS's do we need? look past the 3D and you have a regular DS... same as the 2 before it... same with the nintendo, then the "new" top load nintendo and the "new" SNES... dozens of incantations of the "gameboy". junk aside, sony is going to need to fast track something really really good or their customer base will move on.

You write that like Nintendo is the only one that does/did that. Sega had Genesis 1, 2, and 3 along with two iterations of the Sega CD and that's not counting the off shoot variations like the X'Eye, Multi-Mega, Nomad, and the unbelievably ---smurfy--- Firecore. And "the 'new' SNES"? Are you serious? You say that like the SNES is an offshoot of the NES. They're different beasts, not anything like what Atari has done with the 2600/7800 or even later generation consoles that every manufacture has done in some variation or another.

Hands down there is no other family that even comes remotely close to the sales numbers the Gameboy line generated for Nintendo. I can guarantee that if any other company produced those kinds of sales for their hand held, we would see the same kind of long running model changes. Where is the Lynx? How about the Game Gear? Turbo Express? Please, don't make me laugh. Check out the Wikipedia list and count how many have died off.

In the terms of the gaming field, Sony and Microsoft are still relative newcomers in the console industry. Hell, in terms of overall existence, Nintendo is the Grandpa in the industry. If repacking old tech keeps the company operating in the black, then it's obviously a working strategy.

[Hoopz]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

 

I like the Sports Night reference.  One of my favorite shows and that particular episode was hilarious.   

[Mikezilla]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that is hilarious. Go ahead, call me racist, I dont even care, thats funny. 

[Vigo]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that is hilarious. Go ahead, call me racist, I dont even care, thats funny.  

Since you asked me to: Mike, you are a racist.

Now don't say I never helped you out.  

[Mikezilla]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that is hilarious. Go ahead, call me racist, I dont even care, thats funny.  

Since you asked me to: Mike, you are a racist.

Now don't say I never helped you out.  

Rock on friend. Can you do me another favor? Can you change your avatar? That damn clown is creepy! 

[lilshawn]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that is hilarious. Go ahead, call me racist, I dont even care, thats funny.  

Since you asked me to: Mike, you are a racist.

Now don't say I never helped you out.  

Rock on friend. Can you do me another favor? Can you change your avatar? That damn clown is creepy! 

PBJ's pregnant clown avatar was WAY creepier

[SavannahLion]

And "the 'new' SNES"? Are you serious? You say that like the SNES is an offshoot of the NES. They're different beasts, not anything like what Atari has done with the 2600/7800 or even later generation consoles that every manufacture has done in some variation or another.

sigh...

  Uh that's kind of sad dude, it's like DaveMMR said. That's a re-release of a console. Nintendo certainly isn't the first, the last nor the only one to do that. Did you not note my citation of the half dozen iterations of the Genesis? Atari is also guilty of it, there's a reason why collectors go after the "Heavy Sixers". Ever heard of the "Darth Vader" version?

[SavannahLion]

PBJ's pregnant clown avatar was WAY creepier

Just block his stuff.

[SNAAKE]

RIIFE WITHSOUT PRAYSTATIIOHN NESWORRK

[lilshawn]

[Vigo]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that is hilarious. Go ahead, call me racist, I dont even care, thats funny.  

Since you asked me to: Mike, you are a racist.

Now don't say I never helped you out.  

Rock on friend. Can you do me another favor? Can you change your avatar? That damn clown is creepy! 

Oh fine....there is no love for Snacks 'n Jackson on these forums. It's probably time you got an avatar though. I think it's a rule that once you hit the 800 post mark, you have to get an avatar for yourself.

[DNA Dan]

I am fan of Snacks n Jaxson! You got me into it Vigo! I thought your avatar was hilarious. Most people never heard of that game

You guys posting the satire are cracking me up! You have some skills!

[Vigo]

Thanks, Dan! Woohoo! A Snacks n' Jackson fan! 

I'm glad I'm not the only person who sees the humor in a game about a semi-decapitated clown eating breakfast while keeping his nose from breaking windows.

[Mikezilla]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that is hilarious. Go ahead, call me racist, I dont even care, thats funny.  

Since you asked me to: Mike, you are a racist.

Now don't say I never helped you out.  

Rock on friend. Can you do me another favor? Can you change your avatar? That damn clown is creepy! 

Oh fine....there is no love for Snacks 'n Jackson on these forums. It's probably time you got an avatar though. I think it's a rule that once you hit the 800 post mark, you have to get an avatar for yourself.

Haha I know, good point. My work filter is so lame, and I dont usually frequent the forums at home, but I might make some time to get an avatar.

[Vigo]

HERRO I RIIKE PRAYSTATIIOHN

Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- that is hilarious. Go ahead, call me racist, I dont even care, thats funny. 

Since you asked me to: Mike, you are a racist.

Now don't say I never helped you out. 

Rock on friend. Can you do me another favor? Can you change your avatar? That damn clown is creepy! 

Oh fine....there is no love for Snacks 'n Jackson on these forums. It's probably time you got an avatar though. I think it's a rule that once you hit the 800 post mark, you have to get an avatar for yourself.

Haha I know, good point. My work filter is so lame, and I dont usually frequent the forums at home, but I might make some time to get an avatar.

I kinda figured that was the case. Work filters suck.

So I hope I'm off the hook now...even though I would personally say an avatar where dumbledore is hovering towards hargid taking a piss should be more on the creepy side than a clown. 

[Samstag]

PS3 hackers just released their own version of OtherOS so you can install linux on the PS3 again.  Even better, it's a big improvement over Sony's version.  It's not crippled by Sony's hypervisor and it runs on slim models.

http://gitbrew.org/otheros/

I'm hoping XBMC is next.

[hypernova]

So word now is that there was a remnant file on Sony's servers or whatever that said "Anonymous - We are legion".

So frame job, or did they really do it?  (And if they did AS A GROUP, then the data probably won't be misused.)

[lilshawn]

People can say anything. But until sony comes clean w will never know. We could start a rumor that the "Darrryl Skaaatz groooup"was the persons responsible. Who's to say no?