Who hacked PSN?

[HaRuMaN]

It's been down for 5 days in a row now.  Anonymous says it wasn't them, but that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't...

This is affecting my Gran Turismo playing...  grr 

[SavannahLion]

Rumor has it that the attack is a message to Sony to back off on the other witch hunts to third parties related to Geohut. Remember? Sony subpoenaed ISPs and Websites for a list of IP addresses and names of whoever downloaded his code. I don't know how true this is because I don't know the full settlement details between Geohut and Sony.

True, it may or may not be Anonymous. The group isn't a single entity but more of a mob. The mob doesn't have to move in its entirety to be effective, just en masse. A single person in control of a large enough Zombie network can easily take down PSN and still have computing power for another target.

[Hoopz]

Skynet. 

[SavannahLion]

Skynet. 

LOL, Skynet may indeed be a member of Anonymous.

[HaRuMaN]

Remember Lik-Sang?

Sony drove them out of business years ago...   

http://www.lik-sang.com/

[spoot]

Five days long seems like an internal server boom imho and they dont' want to admit it. 

[Hoopz]

Skynet. 

LOL, Skynet may indeed be a member of Anonymous.

I think it's the other way around; Anonymous is a part of Skynet.  

All your base....

It's ALL a plot.

[Mikezilla]

Skynet. 

LOL, Skynet may indeed be a member of Anonymous.

I think it's the other way around; Anonymous is a part of Skynet.  

All your base....

It's ALL a plot.

Holy god that was great. 

[SavannahLion]

Remember Lik-Sang?

Sony drove them out of business years ago...   

http://www.lik-sang.com/

I will never forgive Sony for that.

[SavannahLion]

Skynet. 

LOL, Skynet may indeed be a member of Anonymous.

I think it's the other way around; Anonymous is a part of Skynet.  

All your base....

It's ALL a plot.

Holy god that was great. 

I was secretly hoping for Jane instead.

[Mikezilla]

Remember Lik-Sang?

Sony drove them out of business years ago...   

http://www.lik-sang.com/

I will never forgive Sony for that.

I have a work filter that wont let me access that link. Can someone explain what it was?

[SNAAKE]

Remember Lik-Sang?

Sony drove them out of business years ago...   

http://www.lik-sang.com/

 

LOL

[SNAAKE]

Rumor has it that the attack is a message to Sony to back off on the other witch hunts to third parties related to Geohut. Remember? Sony subpoenaed ISPs and Websites for a list of IP addresses and names of whoever downloaded his code. I don't know how true this is because I don't know the full settlement details between Geohut and Sony.

thats the dumbest thing EVER though. what are you gonna even if you know who downloaded "dat geohot code". what..take 9 zillion people to court for downloading that cfw and for going to geohot's site?

lol..

microsoft can see who's playing bootleg games online. worst they'd do is ban that console. they dont go after anyone that went to xbox-scene and red about the haxxorz. less stupidity and more acquiring currency

[quadrider1]

Well sony will be hated forever if this is true,
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/old-psn-not-safe-day-5-5-your-personal-data-may-had-been-stolen-85343/
All your unencrypted credit card data stolen, tiss tiss when will they learn.

[HaRuMaN]

Good thing the last credit card I used with PSN is now expired... 

[Firebat138]

Use the latest LT+ and MS cant see a thing.....  For now anyways.  :-)

[ark_ader]

I find it all very amusing.

[SNAAKE]

terry crews is NOT amused!

[DaveMMR]

Yeah this is annoying.  It doesn't affect Netflix (only a couple of log-in screens pop-up but you can dismiss them and still get on) but I just got Portal 2 and I can't get my free PC copy because I have to go through PSN to complete the transaction (and no, I can't play it on my PS3 right now because my gf is watching TV; though she did join me on some co-op play). 

From what I read, there were plans for anonymous to attack PSN in the past but a vocal group of gamers more or less told them not to as it would hurt more people than it would help.   So I can sort of believe it was not them.   It may very well be a random intruder catching Sony with its pants down. 

[Necroticart]

I'm almost positive Sony shut down it's servers because of the rebug CFW it allowed you to create a dev PSN account to play online connecting directly to the game servers. the thing about being on the dev PSN was you could fill in fake CC info and fill your wallet to make purchases off the dev PSN which has the same content as the regular PSN. Note I know about this but like many of us that have CFW I only copy over games I own and I enjoy the emulators. those looking to connect to the PSN are the ones who don't need CFW.

[SNAAKE]

^ anyone with a jailbroken ps3 can already get ALL psn game ever came out from torrents....................

that cant be the reason at all. xbox live doesnt shut down because people go online with a modded xbox. there is some other BS going on. they really did get hacked or/and psn security was compromised.

[SavannahLion]

Rumor has it that the attack is a message to Sony to back off on the other witch hunts to third parties related to Geohut. Remember? Sony subpoenaed ISPs and Websites for a list of IP addresses and names of whoever downloaded his code. I don't know how true this is because I don't know the full settlement details between Geohut and Sony.

thats the dumbest thing EVER though. what are you gonna even if you know who downloaded "dat geohot code". what..take 9 zillion people to court for downloading that cfw and for going to geohot's site?

lol..

microsoft can see who's playing bootleg games online. worst they'd do is ban that console. they dont go after anyone that went to xbox-scene and red about the haxxorz. less stupidity and more acquiring currency

Thought about telling Sony that?

[SavannahLion]

Remember Lik-Sang?

Sony drove them out of business years ago...   

http://www.lik-sang.com/

I will never forgive Sony for that.

I have a work filter that wont let me access that link. Can someone explain what it was?

Lik-Sang used to be an exporter for all sorts of stuff console related (and some not console related), a lot of white and gray market stuff. They became really well known for exporting mod related stuff. They never exported anything illegal such as copied games (AFAIK), but they did sell the tools to create copied games or to play copied games. They also sold a ton of stuff that weren't so gray market. Case mods. Region free DVD players. A lot of stuff that were exclusive to the Japanese market.

IIRC, Sony and Lik-Sang tangled twice. The first time knocked Lik-Sang around pretty badly and they pulled all of their mod related merchandise. The second round was when they sold the PSP in regions where the console wasn't released yet, namely Europe. According the Lik-Sang... well.... read for yourself. Here is the full text as it exists on their website today:

Lik-Sang.com Out of Business due to Multiple Sony Lawsuits
Tue Oct 24 2006 21:58:51 Hong Kong Time - Corporate Info

OUT OF BUSINESS NOTICE

Hong Kong, October 24th of 2006 - Lik-Sang.com, the popular gaming retailer from Hong Kong, has today announced that it is forced to close down due to multiple legal actions brought against it by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Limited and Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Sony claimed that Lik-Sang infringed its trade marks, copyright and registered design rights by selling Sony PSP consoles from Asia to European customers, and have recently obtained a judgment in the High Court of London (England) rendering Lik-Sang's sales of PSP consoles unlawful.

As of today, Lik-Sang.com will not be in the position to accept any new orders and will cancel and refund all existing orders that have already been placed. Furthermore, Lik-Sang is working closely with banks and PayPal to refund any store credits held by the company, and the customer support department is taking care of any open transactions such as pending RMAs or repairs and shipping related matters. The staff of Lik-Sang will make sure that nobody will get hurt in the crossfire of this ordeal.

A Sony spokesperson declined to comment directly on the lawsuit against Lik-Sang, but recently went on to tell Gamesindustry.biz that "ultimately, we're trying to protect consumers from being sold hardware that does not conform to strict EU or UK consumer safety standards, due to voltage supply differences et cetera; is not - in PS3's case - backwards compatible with either PS1 or PS2 software; will not play European Blu-Ray movies or DVDs; and will not be covered by warranty".

Lik Sang strongly disagrees with Sony's opinion that their customers need this kind of protection and pointed out that PSP consoles shipped from Lik-Sang contained genuine Sony 100V-240V AC Adapters that carry CE and other safety marks and are compatible world wide. All PSP consoles were in conformity with all EU and UK consumer safety regulations.

Furthermore, Sony have failed to disclose to the London High Court that not only the world wide gaming community in more than 100 countries relied on Lik-Sang for their gaming needs, but also Sony Europe's very own top directors repeatedly got their Sony PSP hard or software imports in nicely packed Lik-Sang parcels with free Lik-Sang Mugs or Lik-Sang Badge Holders, starting just two days after Japan's official release, as early as 14th of December 2004 (more than nine months earlier than the legal action). The list of PSP related Sony Europe orders reads like the who's who of the videogames industry, and includes Ray Maguire (Managing Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Ltd), Alan Duncan (UK Marketing Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Ltd), Chris Sorrell (Creative Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Ltd), Rob Parkin (Development Director, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Limited), just to name a few.

"Today is Sony Europe victory about PSP, tomorrow is Sony Europe’s ongoing pressure about PlayStation 3. With this precedent set, next week could already be the stage for complaints from Sony America about the same thing, or from other console manufacturers about other consoles to other regions, or even from any publisher about any specific software title to any country they don’t see fit. It’s the beginning of the end... of the World as we know it", stated Pascal Clarysse, formerly known as the Marketing Manager of Lik-Sang.com.

"Blame it on Sony. That's the latest dark spot in their shameful track record as gaming industry leader. The Empire finally 'won', few dominating retailers from the UK probably will rejoice the news, but everybody else in the gaming world lost something today."

Interestingly the registration expires August 30, 2011 but the site was closed 2006. Might as well visit it now before the site is lost forever to some moronic squatter.

[shateredsoul]

[Necroticart]

^ anyone with a jailbroken ps3 can already get ALL psn game ever came out from torrents....................

that cant be the reason at all. xbox live doesnt shut down because people go online with a modded xbox. there is some other BS going on. they really did get hacked or/and psn security was compromised.

well most of them anyway the license keys are still needed to play certain games MVC2 for example. Without them the game is just a demo and the keys are encrypted on most of the later games and specific to the system I only know this because I bought MVC2 from the PSN and forgot to download it to my PS3 before I installed CFW anyway I looked into it.

As for banning modded consoles Sony is having a hard time doing that because they use the system ID to ban users which anyone with CFW can change and your probably going to say just ban the CFW users well that does't work either because they can spoof the console to make it appear to be running the latest firmware.

Basically as an end result Sony had to fix the network (PSN downtime) and the loop holes which will mean a firmware update on the users side some other way of banning besides the system ID.

[Malenko]

Second - Lik-Sang sold so much illegal stuff it's not even funny and they made it exceptionally easy for nervous teenagers with mom's credit card to get their hands on it.

Thats what made them awesome. Only thing I ever bought from them was the Playstation 1 memory card thingie with a built in LCD that hooked into Street Fighter Alpha 3 and let you download a mini game into it, pre-Dreamcast........ pocketstation? it was neat but the games on Nintendo's game and watch were more enthralling

[Mikezilla]

Thank you Savannah for posting that. Hm. Interesting. Man. Sony is a bunch of ---Deutsche Frankfurters---. I love how they label it as a safetyl standard for regulating voltage. Cmon. 

[quadrider1]

stores are getting smart, M$ is going to love this.
http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/psn-still-dead-after-160-hours-what-do-trade-your-ps3-85343/
Trade your 120GB ps3 in for 250GB xbox elite lol only $30

[Vigo]

 

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/sony-admits-utter-psn-failure-your-personal-data-has-been-stolen.ars

[SNAAKE]

^ see its not about people downloading psn games or being on cfw. thats not reason enough to completely shut down servers.

pretty sure I took my credit card info. gonna close that account just to be safe. I wasnt using it at all anyway.

[DNA Dan]

Finally hit the mainstream media --> http://blog.games.yahoo.com/blog/630-hackers-take-down-sonys-playstation-network

Sony seems to be impervious to bad press. I know plenty of gamers who had their PS3's bricked after firmware updates (mine included) yet the press just does not jump on big old sony. Almost like toyota, if it weren't for the fact that the defects involved safety, no one in the media at the time would ever bash them.  

[SavannahLion]

Lik-Sang used to be an exporter for all sorts of stuff console related (and some not console related), a lot of white and gray market stuff. They became really well known for exporting mod related stuff. They never exported anything illegal such as copied games (AFAIK), but they did sell the tools to create copied games or to play copied games. They also sold a ton of stuff that weren't so gray market. Case mods. Region free DVD players. A lot of stuff that were exclusive to the Japanese market.

First - please read what 'gray market' actually means before you keep misusing it.  "A lot of stuff that were exclusive to the Japanese market" = gray market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_market

A grey market or gray market also known as parallel market[1] is the trade of a commodity through distribution channels which, while legal, are unofficial, unauthorized, or unintended by the original manufacturer.

Second - Lik-Sang sold so much illegal stuff it's not even funny and they made it exceptionally easy for nervous teenagers with mom's credit card to get their hands on it.

In your country, that might be true.

[Mikezilla]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/sony-admits-utter-psn-failure-your-personal-data-has-been-stolen.ars

God that sucks. What a pain in the ass. I just started my PSN account recently too. I knew I should have procrastinated longer.

[lilshawn]

I'm sure Sony will fix this for you for a $10 fee...



Sony does apologize for the inconvenience...  kthxbye




All your base are belong to us.

[hypernova]

And for all these reasons, we should all boycott Sony as best as possible.  Now, to be fair, all three console makers initially went after lik-sang for the modding accessories, but only Sony was ---uvula--- enough to go after them again for selling Japanese PSPs in Europe.

The Sony fanboy at my work is FINALLY starting to get miffed.  I told him at least he's still got his 360 Live account working.  No answer...

I'm really enjoying watching Sony fail in every possible way.  Now if it would just start hitting their damn wallets, maybe all of this would actually mean something.  Awhile ago, I would've killed for a FF7 remake, even if I had to buy a PS# (whatever number they're on) to play it.  Now even if it is a PS# exclusive, I'll just have to live without it.  Until it's emulated years later, of course.

[lilshawn]

Ive never ever owned a PlayStation of any #

Any Sony branded product I've ever purchased was terrible, from TV's and telephones to stereos and pregnancy tests. There wasn't one thing from Sony I didn't have to fix (or try to)

[SavannahLion]

And for all these reasons, we should all boycott Sony as best as possible. 

Keep in mind, that may prove impossible. Sony is pervasive in just about every industry out there. Boycotting them is about as effective as boycotting Disney. Even if you don't buy anything directly from Sony, you're still going to send money indrectly.  

Now, to be fair, all three console makers initially went after lik-sang for the modding accessories, but only Sony was ---uvula--- enough to go after them again for selling Japanese PSPs in Europe.

That is typical of Sony. They were probably still smarting from Bleem! and wanted to drive a nail into Lik-Sang's coffin. I'm sorely disappointed in Sony and their recent 180 turn from their VHS days.

[SNAAKE]

I totally forgot about bleem

[Hoopz]

Ive never ever owned a PlayStation of any #

Any Sony branded product I've ever purchased was terrible, from TV's and telephones to stereos and pregnancy tests. There wasn't one thing from Sony I didn't have to fix (or try to)

WTF?

[Dartful Dodger]

I want to see a tutorial on how he tried to fix one.