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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #160 on: April 29, 2011, 03:42:05 pm »
Hey Mr Change With The Times, hanging out on a forum where games from the 90's are considered new, how about sharing your thoughts on the newer Stern pins and digital pinball tables.  :lol

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #161 on: April 29, 2011, 03:43:01 pm »

 Unlike some of the stubborn guys here, I change with the times, and actually got into the fighters as well.  But only so far...


Hey Mr Change With The Times, hanging out on a forum where games from the 90's are considered new, how about sharing your thoughts on the newer Stern pins and digital pinball tables.  :lol


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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #162 on: April 30, 2011, 03:35:35 pm »
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Hey Mr Change With The Times, hanging out on a forum where games from the 90's are considered new, how about sharing your thoughts on the newer Stern pins and digital pinball tables.  LOL

 For one, Sterns Pins are not New technology.  They are a cheap rehash of old technology.

 But more to the point, 

 Just because I like games from all time periods, and all types of games... Doesnt mean I Like or Love EVERY game thats ever been produced.   Theres a lot of stinkers that managed to get released.

 As for Digital Pins, Ive played some good ones here and there.  But as Ive said, they dont compare to REAL tables in any way.   Just like playing super hangon, does not compare to racing a real motorcycle.

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #163 on: April 30, 2011, 05:34:44 pm »
Additionally...

 First, I will say that Ive not always been as open minded and mature about things.  This is something that age, experience, and choice to grow, have attributed to the different attitudes and opinions.

 Its more often than not, that a younger person will choose a certain time period as their own.  Weather its music, movies or games... they tend to be biased twords anything older that a certain point...  And, when they get older... may be biased towards things Newer.

 However, this has little to do with good reasoning. And more to do with an Image.  With Ego.

 We all know that music, is merely a bunch of notes played in time.   Theres nothing that makes it new or old.  The same composition played 100yrs ago on piano... could be played on a keyboard, and be enjoyed just as much...  because of the emotional content and beautiful arrangement / sounds.
 
 And Food?  Again, just a combination of ingredients.   Theres no New food.  Just different ways to mix it up.   There may be some older lost recipes that would be a Huge hit today, If it were released into the latest top restaurants.

 Where things get a little hazy, is the way certain technology is presented.

 For example, most would agree that they would rather watch a movie in Color instead of Black and White.

 But, a good judge will weigh the content, rather than just the media, or technological limitations.

 There are some Excellent B/W films.  Thought provoking, funny, emotional, etc.  Many of the good older films are being recycled into the new media formats, because the content is still relevant and is excellent material. Timeless.

 Someone I know said that anything that wasnt classic rock sucked.  Then later, I asked him if he liked Starwars.  He said yes.  I asked him to reconsider his obscene position on music, especially considering that Starwars has no classic rock in it.  Only Orchestral instrumentation.  He couldnt say anything.  Quite simply put, you wouldnt have the same movies, if classic rock was the only media for all movies background sound tracks.

 And while for example, I dont care much for country music... I can admire the individual instruments in the music.


 Like most things... the more depth of experience you have... the better a critic you will be.  If you have only ever eaten at fast food places... your opinions will be related to that. In that you will think that everything else is garbage, or cant possibly be better than what You have experienced.

 This is much more a better example with Media rather than food Obviously.  But the points the same.

 If you have only played 10 pinball machines in your life, with very little time on the machines... then your opinion will pale compared to a person who has played 60 machines, with yrs worth of playtime on them.   Quite simply put... you have a poor palette.  You cant possibly be a very good critic / judge.


 And then theres the Media nose-thumb syndrome...


 When I was a kid, and I first saw a Robotron machine... I thumbed my nose up at it... because at that time, there were far better looking and sounding games out there.  When I finally decided to play it, it was half hearted, and I was crushed in seconds... and so I walked away not really 'getting it'.   

 Much later, Smash TV came out, and to me, looked and sounded so much better than Robotron.   I enjoyed it a lot, thinking how much better a game this was, and how much more inferior RT was. 

 Years later, hen I met a guy who said Smash sucked compared to RT.  I couldnt believe the stuff he was saying about it.   So I went out, and found a guy who had a real RT cab.
This time, I wasnt a 7yr old poorly coordinated kid... and while the game really spanked me for some time... I started to get good.  I started to 'get it',  and understand why the Original was FAR superior to Smash.  And now I feel the same way.  I thumb my nose at Smash instead.

 RT is simply a better game.  Its AI is incredible.  The difficulty is crazy, and it makes you go into an adrenalin furry.  Theres near death escapes nearly every second of play, and you giggle like a kid, as you escape by a mere pixel, from a brilliantly impossible move.  The games balance is excellent.  While hard as heck, its possible to play for a very long time IF you collect enough points / humans.  The trained skilled efforts can pay off.

 Where as Smash, is more casual.  Its not as intense, and or it gets impossible... merely to suck quarters out of you.. because its a 'Continue' game.  Its nowhere near the adrenalin rush of the original.  Its not even half as good.

 (Much earlier before this, the two games I prejudged the worst were: Two Tigers and Mr Do.  Both of which my father Forced me to play with him.. and both of which quickly became two of my top favorites machines)


 And when you consider this, of how an older game (or any older media) can be superior in ways.. then you start to realize that you should give the older stuff (and new stuff too) a proper fair attitude and test.  Judging it on the most important things, such as Gameplay, and the feelings it may give you.


 While Asteriods Deluxe may not look that good... its a Timeless classic.  A classic, is a game that when you play it, its instantly recognized for its brilliance.  Not just because of the technology... but because of the gameplay.

 There certainly are some Over-Rated classics..  but you have to remember, that these were pioneers for their time.  Such as noted, Moon Patron having very cool Parallax scrolling layers, as well as a really groovy soundtrack.  The game plays pretty well too, however, its certainly not a top level game as far as gameplay is concerned.

 Karate Champ is nothing compared to Street Fighter II... However, it was more than likely a huge inspiration for it.  KC was a big hit in the arcades, and even was released to many computer platforms.   It is a Classic.  It was a revolution in fighting games, and its till fun to mess with to this date.

 War Gods, however, is Not a classic.  Even in 100 yrs, it wont be a classic.  It merely borrowed the same gameplay mechanics of other games, and it was never very popular. Its clunky and ugly.  (though sometimes its kinda funny)

 Centipede, while not being the 'best' classic, still Is a classic.  It was one of the most popular trackball games.  Its got solid action, and good unique control.  The sounds are really cool, it looks trippy, and it has a certain spirit to it that sucks you in. 

 Back in the Atari 2600 days, we had a trackball for the game, and played the thing for hours at a time... trying to roll the score.  It was pretty much a family battle, that lasted for some time.  No other 2600 game was played to this type of effect.

 Its not my top Fav, but its definitely a classic that does get played.

Its also extremely popular for all ages, as well as being one of few games that a lot of woman actually got into.

 
 Finally, a lot of these classics were meant to be played for 5 mins at a time.  You would get your 3 to 5 min of play, than move on to another one of the 100 machines there.  Certain games however, really grabbed you, and so you would play the damn thing till your pockets were empty.  It wasnt always about score, but just the experience of playing, and or getting to a higher level in the game.

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #164 on: May 01, 2011, 01:42:33 am »
Do you really expect people to read all of that...     :dizzy:

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #165 on: May 01, 2011, 07:48:01 pm »
Do you really expect people to read all of that...     :dizzy:

we never read it.
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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #166 on: May 02, 2011, 04:17:44 pm »
This time you actually should...he makes a few good points.  I'll actually read some of his rants in a different light now. :)

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #167 on: May 02, 2011, 04:40:48 pm »
X2 usually makes good points, even when I disagree. He just gets a D- on presentation since it can be a real chore to sift through his ramblings. Last time I attempted, he went into the physics of making love on a trampoline and how it relates to a quality arcade button.  :dizzy:

Anyway, I did read the Robotron part of his post, which I kinda agree with; that many 90's arcade goers would snub Robotron in favor of smash TV, and even though Robotron is a better game, players would not know since they don't give it a fair shake. The only difference is that I still see Smash TV as a very good game as well, especially since it is multiplayer and the theme is very unique. Also, unlike Robotron, Smash TV does not make you want to punch the arcade cabinet with your face.  :banghead:

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #168 on: May 02, 2011, 06:34:00 pm »
I like smash TV better

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #169 on: May 03, 2011, 02:20:54 am »
Thanks Necro.

  But to be fair, I do still like Smash TV.  Its just that if I want to play a game that is Robotron-esc... its going to be Robotron +95% of the time.  Much like how Id play Asteroids Deluxe +98% more than Blasteriods (or any other Asteroid clone.  Though, admittedly... the David Lee Roth asteroids is awesome for a few laughs & fun  ;D  )

 And while Smash does have 2 player simultaneous,  Its still more fun to me to play with my friends in 2 player alternation with Robotron.   Each watching the other pull off insane escapes in succession... egging each other on.

 I do like Smash concept, its quirky funny gameshow host, the prize pickups, powerups, and most importantly, seeing players get blown out of the screen from a landmine...

 But anyone who spends more than an hour playing Robotron (with the proper Wico 8way leaf sticks), who really gets to understand how it plays, the little tricks, and ability to get past like 9 stages.. will always choose Robotron for their future Adrenalin packed fix.

 If only Smash was made with smaller characters, better AI, and more balanced difficulty.. it would have potential to dethrone the champ.  (ohh, and limited continues too)

Donkbaca is Obviously one of those 90s gamers who is stuck in his ways... and too afraid of being proven wrong about Smash being the worse game  ;)

 Its ok though, cause there are countless others who will give it a fair shake, be enlightened, and have superior enjoyment as a result.

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Smash TV does not make you want to punch the arcade cabinet with your face.

 Heh.  For me, I dont get angry when I lose... with exception to something like Rtype, which sets you back underpowered at the set point of an impossible level. (impossible for my skill level at least)

 For me, you take the extreme highs of the constant "WIN" of survival, with the higher stress levels and crushing defeats.

 Without it, such as with smash... it just gets boring after a while, so you walk away cause you really just dont care or desire to play anymore.  Its like driving a Bus -vs- driving a Ferrari.  One is a means to get somewhere... while one is a real memorable experience filled with a lot of close calls, stories, and blood pumping adrenalized fun.

 Gauntlet w/ 4 players is sort like that too.  It starts off being fun and interesting... but eventually it just become a boring 'job' of a game.  With infinite continues and limited challenge... it lifelessly fizzles out.   Even the later 3d remakes of it didnt really improve upon its standings much.

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #170 on: May 03, 2011, 09:53:16 am »
But anyone who spends more than an hour playing Robotron (with the proper Wico 8way leaf sticks), who really gets to understand how it plays, the little tricks, and ability to get past like 9 stages.. will always choose Robotron for their future Adrenalin packed fix.

I fit that description except the part where you pigeon hole me into always choosing Robotron. Variety is the spice of life.


Donkbaca is Obviously one of those 90s gamers who is stuck in his ways... and too afraid of being proven wrong about Smash being the worse game  ;)

DoDonPaca isnt stuck in his ways like other certain death punching Xouches. I love how you mix your sentence with "Prove" implying fact and "Worse" implying opinion. Because someones opinion is different it doesnt make them wrong.


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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #171 on: May 03, 2011, 12:22:02 pm »
I never really got too much into UMK3, I never got the hang of the RUN button, gonna revisit that one some more.

I can't believe Centipede wasn't on the top 5 games considering how amazingly awesome it is.... (sarcasm)

I like smash tv better, because Robotron doesn't have "Big Money... Big.. Prizes!!!"

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #172 on: May 03, 2011, 12:45:34 pm »

I like smash tv better, because Robotron doesn't have "Big Money... Big.. Prizes!!!"


I've always been a Total Carnage kind of guy. Smash Tv doesn't have an M. Bison-esque dictator that shouts "Chebeda-ba-de-baba! HAHAHAA YOU SUCK AT THIS GAME!"
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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #173 on: May 03, 2011, 02:17:12 pm »
I never really got too much into UMK3, I never got the hang of the RUN button, gonna revisit that one some more.

I can't believe Centipede wasn't on the top 5 games considering how amazingly awesome it is.... (sarcasm)

I like smash tv better, because Robotron doesn't have "Big Money... Big.. Prizes!!!"


No trackball = no centipede play. I'd buy that for a dollar.  Most of the UMK3 play was because the MAMEs were taken and because I was running the Zeus hack. I haven't had the time or money to order the juggernaut hack from hobbyroms.com yet.
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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #174 on: May 03, 2011, 02:19:01 pm »
One of these days I'll have to send you a PM re UMK3 so I can figure it out more.


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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #175 on: May 03, 2011, 05:16:22 pm »
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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #176 on: May 03, 2011, 10:48:49 pm »
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DoDonPaca isnt stuck in his ways like other certain death punching Xouches. I love how you mix your sentence with "Prove" implying fact and "Worse" implying opinion. Because someones opinion is different it doesnt make them wrong.

 I was just messin round with the class clown Punk.  Dont get your panties in a twist Melena.

 
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One of these days I'll have to send you a PM re UMK3 so I can figure it out more.

 Itz calld  "SKILLZ".   EEvr u haZ Dem, or u doznt... aNd needZ 2 practiZe morre...
morre, morrrre, morrrrrrdel kommmbattttttttttt

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #177 on: May 03, 2011, 10:52:56 pm »
What's the best umk3 version?

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #178 on: May 04, 2011, 03:14:52 pm »
I was just messin round with the class clown Punk.  Dont get your panties in a twist Melena.
You mean Mileena? Ironically my fave char in MKII

Itz calld  "SKILLZ".   EEvr u haZ Dem, or u doznt... aNd needZ 2 practiZe morre...
morre, morrrre, morrrrrrdel kommmbattttttttttt
Sadly, that's the most coherent thing you've ever typed on this forum, ever; and most likely the most accurately spelled as well.

What's the best umk3 version?
Well in MAME, I like the Juggernaut's Hack, its UMK3 Version 1.2 but with Human Smoke and Noob Saibot selectable on the player select screen. Its just like the Zeus hack, but you don't loose Shang Tsung or Stryker. I prefer MKT to UMK3, its the same junk but with more characters :)
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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #179 on: May 04, 2011, 03:23:07 pm »

Itz calld  "SKILLZ".   EEvr u haZ Dem, or u doznt... aNd needZ 2 practiZe morre...
morre, morrrre, morrrrrrdel kommmbattttttttttt
Sadly, that's the most coherent thing you've ever typed on this forum, ever; and most likely the most accurately spelled as well.

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #180 on: May 04, 2011, 03:53:44 pm »
Ohh Yes Melinda, ohh, you really burned me!  ;)
Spellality?

 Or maybe its  OCDallity?

 Or Patheticallity?

 Ahh well, keep trying buffy.  Maybe one day you will get it...



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« Reply #181 on: May 04, 2011, 05:18:44 pm »
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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #182 on: May 05, 2011, 02:16:13 pm »
Ohh Yes Melinda, ohh, you really burned me!  ;)
Spellality?

 Or maybe its  OCDallity?

 Or Patheticallity?

 Ahh well, keep trying buffy.  Maybe one day you will get it...

Why are you doubling the Ls? Its not Fatallity or baballity. Spellingality!

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Re: What killed the Arcade for you?
« Reply #183 on: May 05, 2011, 03:02:50 pm »
Actually, all kidding aside, it really WAS a child molester that killed the arcade I used to visit in Houston.

This is EXACTLY why they get shanked in prison. And the child molesting thing.