Who's ready for sonic the hedgehog 4 next week?

[rlemmon]

Any one else pumped fpr sonic 4 next monday? I really hate the whole download concept (I would rather have a disk) but I love the original sonic series for the genesis. I will have this as soon as it shows up on the download channel. :guitar::guitar::guitar:

Also waiting on sonic colors next month.

[WhereEaglesDare]

I had no idea....  Thank you!     Sonic 2 FTW!  Remember super sonic at the end where you turn gold?

[Blanka]

Great!
SEGA outsmarted Nintendo! Wiitendo makes profit for Nintendo impossible last year, so who's the smartypants here?
SEGA just sells on all platforms, and lets others take the loss on hardware.

And about this game: It looks totally sonic and it looks totally Japanese, totally lightspeed and totally bullit-hell! Awesome! Supermario = PAWNED with its outdated Americanish kindergarten looks!

BTW: I hope it has the 8-bit GameGear Sonic 1+2 soundtrack as option. The best sonic soundtracks ever! 8-bit is so 2010!

[DaveMMR]

SEGA outsmarted Nintendo! Wiitendo makes profit for Nintendo impossible last year, so who's the smartypants here?
SEGA just sells on all platforms, and lets others take the loss on hardware.

Yeah, because the financial failures of the SegaCD, 32X, Saturn and Dreamcast (somewhat) were what they had planned all along.... 

[DJ_Izumi]

He runs right on a 2D plane, he goes fast, he gets rings, he jumps on bad guys.  Man, how did Sega fail to see what a good formula this was since 1995? |:

[northerngames]

not me part one & knuckles was enough 15+ years ago but no pun intended.

[versapak]

Episodic = no thanks.


After they are all released, then I will consider it depending on the pricing, but my guess is it will be too high a price for something that won't be all that great.

[DaveMMR]

Man, how did Sega fail to see what a good formula this was since 1995? |:

I highlighted your answer for you.  That was the beginning of the whole "let's make everything 3-D" generation.  If it only moved in two axes, no one would want to buy it (so they thought) - even though it took Sega 4 years to follow suit.   And people loved Sonic Adventures at first, but it didn't hold up well for long.   But Sega just kept tapping that well as long as they could...

The whole resurgence of 2D gaming seems to be a relatively recent trend, which is probably why this is only coming out now.

not me part one & knuckles was enough 15+ years ago but no pun intended.

No pun detected. 

[shateredsoul]

I actually really liked Sonic Adventure... the games after that just never seemed to capture the feeling that SA had.  Plus, I hated  knuckle's levels, and operating that machine with Tails =/

If they made a sonic adventure type game with just sonic and like SA 1 that would be great! I hope sonic colors is just that

[RTSDaddy2]

Out of Wii Points, but I'l be picking up a card today! Found a 20 dollar gift card to  Best Buy that I'd forgotten about - and did not know Sonic was due out next week! Works for me!

[Frigo]

Day one download for me. 

[Ginsu Victim]

I'll check out the trial, but I'm not really all that interested in it.

[Malenko]

SonicCD was awesome. the rest..not so much

[WhereEaglesDare]

SonicCD was awesome. the rest..not so much

I played some Sonic CD last night for the first time.  I dont know if it is Fusion or my pc or just the game, but it wasnt any good at all.  I didn't enjoy it at all.  Sonic 2 is awesome on the other hand.

[Necroticart]

Sonic 2 was great but, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the one that I consider the best of the series.

[WhereEaglesDare]

Sonic 2 was great but, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the one that I consider the best of the series.

You mean the Sonic 3 with the Sonic and Knuckles Mod?  Is there a separate rom for the Sonic and Knuckles mod?

[Malenko]

Sonic 2 was great but, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the one that I consider the best of the series.

You mean the Sonic 3 with the Sonic and Knuckles Mod?  Is there a separate rom for the Sonic and Knuckles mod?

you could play sonic 3 with knuckles by inserting the sonic 3 game into the sonic and knuckles game. Sonic 2 also worked. When playing as knuckles you could access different areas. And Sonic CD > Sonic or and or 3 and or any variation of S&K

[WhereEaglesDare]

Sonic 2 was great but, Sonic 3 and Knuckles is the one that I consider the best of the series.

You mean the Sonic 3 with the Sonic and Knuckles Mod?  Is there a separate rom for the Sonic and Knuckles mod?

you could play sonic 3 with knuckles by inserting the sonic 3 game into the sonic and knuckles game. Sonic 2 also worked. When playing as knuckles you could access different areas. And Sonic CD > Sonic or and or 3 and or any variation of S&K

I know I use to have a S&K cart, but never had the Sonic 3 cart.  Is there a separate rom for the combination?

[Malenko]

we dont discuss ROMs here =)

[versapak]

we dont discuss ROMs here =)

Sure we do.

It's not like those machines running MAME or the like are solely running on awesome (or those "genuine imitation pinball" cabs either for that matter).


We just don't discuss where to get them.

[Malenko]

kk. there are multiple ROMs. basically you can make your own if you know how to attach the 2 roms together. the merged rom can be found in the usual places. Sonic CD is still better

[WhereEaglesDare]

Well I went and picked up a Genesis 2 and a copy of Sonic 2, Im looking for S&K, we shall see how good Sonc 3 and Knuckles is.  I also got a second controller and a copy of TMNT Tournament Fighters but the Ninja Turtles didnt work 

35 for the whole set, im going back tomorrow and see if they have another copy of the TMNT Tournament fighters at the shop I picked it up at.

They have a Dreamcast there too for 40 but no games so I cant test it to see if it works before I buy it.  What are the good things you can do with a DC other than playing burned DC games?

[shateredsoul]

i think some people developed a way to play snk games on the dreamcast, nintendo, snes, and maybe genesis..

The dreamcast games alone make it worth it imo

[Mikezilla]

TMNT Tournament Fighters but the Ninja Turtles didnt work 

I preferred the SNES version to the genesis version of the Tournament Fighters. I liked the characters more, and the graphics were better.

[rlemmon]

Ign uk gave the ps3 version of sonic the hedgehog 4 an 8 out of 10. I will be downloading it tomorrow night. 

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/112/1126789p1.html?_cmpid=ign1161

[Frigo]

Played a little bit of the Wii version today - it's not bad, but it's definitely not Sonic's best, either. The controls take a while to get used to, especially since the auto lock can't be turned off, causing you to make a few misplaced jumps here and there. The graphics are nice, and provide a nice retro feel, a la NSMB. Music is definitely Sonic - cheezy and poppy at their respective finest. Overall, not a bad first 2D console outing in close to 16 years.

[Gorotsuki]

I like it.
Been playing the Wii version.
I've got 2 Chaos Emeralds so far, and having to play
those levels over, and over again I'm thankful for the
stage select.

[DJ_Izumi]

Sonic purists be damned, I'm having FUN with the game.  It's just a shame that it doesn't have any sorta multiplayer.

[RTSDaddy2]

I agree on wishing it was multiplayer -kid took it over the other night, and I haven't had a chance to get back to it yet- maybe tomorrow.

1500 Wii Points is a lot -don't know because of the controls if it was  worth that or not.  Something feels / looks wrong with Sonic in spin attack and when he's jumping / falling to me.  Not a purist, but it just doesn't play quite like I hoped it would somehow.  Also, how do you get to try for the chaos emeralds? I had 50 rings plus when I ran by a balloon, but it seemed to not register that fact (no sparkly ring to jump through, etc). 

So far I've spent maybe a half hour with it- maybe I'll feel different when I have a little more time with it tomorrow and over the weekend (I hope)!

[Gorotsuki]

You have to carry the 50 or more rings
all the way to the end of stage signpost,
where a giant ring is waiting for you to jump into.

[Ginsu Victim]

Tried it last night. It's horrible. Completely AWFUL.

[SNAAKE]

I never played 2d sonic game. are they any good??

[Malenko]

Tried it last night. It's horrible. Completely AWFUL.

its terrible on the iphone, not wasting microsoft points to find out if the 360 version is as bad

[DJ_Izumi]

I've enjoyed it but the final boss fight has made me turn off the 360 in frustration.  It's like 20x harder than anything else in the game and I've wasted some 25 lives on it thus far.  I can even blast through the repeated first four fights without dieing, and there's a check point between each one.  But the last one with the robot?  That is a HUGE fight and he takes an insane ammount of hits while you don't get a single check point in any of that.  It's just... Aurg.  It's so hard it ruins my fun.

[DaveMMR]

Also, how do you get to try for the chaos emeralds? I had 50 rings plus when I ran by a balloon, but it seemed to not register that fact (no sparkly ring to jump through, etc). 

I'm guessing you've only played Sonic 2 before.      One and CD had it at the ends of levels (assuming you had 50 rings) while 3 had them hidden around the level. 

I'm a little weary about spending $15.  I like Sonic but I go back to play the old games and I get kind of bored with it.   I'm on the fence with this one. 

[DJ_Izumi]

I'm far more satisfied with the $15 I spent on Sonic 4 than the $15 I spent on Metal Slug XX.  Man that was SUCH a lazy port.  And bilineir filtering ONLY.  Can't even get crispy pixels on it. |:

[Necroticart]

I'm disappointed by the way sonic moves it's slow and very awkward. Once he gets his speed shoes he speeds up to par with the old games. Basically sonic was fast I don't know what the sonic team was thinking.

[RTSDaddy2]

Just for the record, I've playd a little of all of them - as I said elsewhere in a post, I'm horrible in that it's rare that I finish a game.  I just hadn't seen any mention of the chaos emeralds even being a part of this new game.

Amazingly enough, I still am not as crazy about it as I wanted to be - I still agree with those saying the controls are off / "clunky".  I don't know that I like the "homing" mechanism....don't need some "gun sight" to show me which enemy to hit / rock to break.  I do think the level select is nice, and the labyrinth stage seems to be a nice new look.

$15 though is very steep, I think , for no more new than what they brought to the table, and for as goofy as Sonic looks to me in movement - would have been far better priced at 800 - 1000 pts.

[DJ_Izumi]

And the leaderboards have already been spammed with cheaters.  Guys posting times of 0'00"00 to get #1.  That really sucks the fun out of leaderboards.

[DaveMMR]

And the leaderboards have already been spammed with cheaters.  Guys posting times of 0'00"00 to get #1.  That really sucks the fun out of leaderboards.

And there you have the #1 reason I don't participate in those online leader boards.

[DJ_Izumi]

And there you have the #1 reason I don't participate in those online leader boards.

Eh, leaderboards are still fun just to see how you do agianst your own friends.

[Ginsu Victim]

Eh, leaderboards are still fun just to see how you do agianst your own friends.

Trails HD is definitely that kind of game for me.

[versapak]

And there you have the #1 reason I don't participate in those online leader boards.

Eh, leaderboards are still fun just to see how you do agianst your own friends.

Not to mention...

There is no way to NOT participate. You play the game, and you have automatically participated.

Unless you are saying that you have the game on the Wii and don't even have online at all.

[pointdablame]

And there you have the #1 reason I don't participate in those online leader boards.

Eh, leaderboards are still fun just to see how you do agianst your own friends.

Not to mention...

There is no way to NOT participate. You play the game, and you have automatically participated.

Unless you are saying that you have the game on the Wii and don't even have online at all.

You could just not check the leaderboards..... 

[rlemmon]

I'm 2/3ds of the way through this and I'm pretty happy with it and think it's a huge step in the right direction for sonic. It does have some faults though.

The physics are a bit off but not so much they kill it or anything. There are some unsonic like moments like the moving wall section and the graphics could have been updated a bit more. And the biggest one is that they rehashed some levels from previous soic games. That was to be expected though. Over all I'm having a great time with it. If they fix some of these things for episode two we could be in for something really great next year.

The only really bad things are that it took 16 years and ended up being episodic rather than a full disc release. Sonic's back and it's about damn time.

[DaveMMR]

And there you have the #1 reason I don't participate in those online leader boards.

Eh, leaderboards are still fun just to see how you do agianst your own friends.

Not to mention...

There is no way to NOT participate. You play the game, and you have automatically participated.

Unless you are saying that you have the game on the Wii and don't even have online at all.

I was referring to games in general that have online leaderboards.  I do not yet have Sonic 4.   

And yeah, as pointdablame mentioned, I don't participate by just never checking them. 

[dre-w]

$15 though is very steep, I think , for no more new than what they brought to the table, and for as goofy as Sonic looks to me in movement - would have been far better priced at 800 - 1000 pts.

Agreed..  a total of $60..  and you just know that after they release all 4 installments they're going to release it on a disc and screw everyone.

I'm good with the demo until there's some sort of package deal or disc

[versapak]

I was referring to games in general that have online leaderboards.  I do not yet have Sonic 4.   

And yeah, as pointdablame mentioned, I don't participate by just never checking them. 

I see.

I do not look much at the top players on leader boards. I use them primarily just to compare my performance with friends.

[DaveMMR]

I was referring to games in general that have online leaderboards.  I do not yet have Sonic 4.   

And yeah, as pointdablame mentioned, I don't participate by just never checking them. 

I see.

I do not look much at the top players on leader boards. I use them primarily just to compare my performance with friends.

I need friends that play the same games as me....     

 

[WhereEaglesDare]

I was referring to games in general that have online leaderboards.  I do not yet have Sonic 4.   

And yeah, as pointdablame mentioned, I don't participate by just never checking them. 

I see.

I do not look much at the top players on leader boards. I use them primarily just to compare my performance with friends.

I need friends that play the same games as me....     

 

Lets get down on some Guitar Hero 5!!!   or some Online RISK!!!

[shateredsoul]

 Sonic Fan Remix looks better than Sonic 4.. Sega got pretty lazy with background art and details compared to this game.

[Ginsu Victim]

this game looks better than Sonic Fan Remix.

I think you need to modify that text....

I was just coming here to post about the Fan Remix. It is TOTALLY what Sonic 4 should've been!

[shateredsoul]

this game looks better than Sonic Fan Remix.

I think you need to modify that text....

I was just coming here to post about the Fan Remix. It is TOTALLY what Sonic 4 should've been!

Fixed!

Let's just hope they SEGA doesn't shutdown the project

[DJ_Izumi]

I disagree, that fan remix is WAY too busy.  I much prefer the art style of Sonic 4; It's traditional but pretty.

[Ginsu Victim]

Here's a longer video.

[Ginsu Victim]

I much prefer the art style of Sonic 4; It's traditional but pretty.

I think it looks like ass.

[Ginsu Victim]

Personally, I was bored with Sonic after the first one. 

I prefer the Adventure games on Dreamcast to the originals. The originals were okay, but never quite hooked me.

[Malenko]

Sonic CD was the only one I ever really liked.

[WhereEaglesDare]

that emerald hill montage looks great but looks like there is too much going on in the background.  Makes it kinda hard to focus on Sonic.

[shateredsoul]

Personally, I was bored with Sonic after the first one. 

I prefer the Adventure games on Dreamcast to the originals. The originals were okay, but never quite hooked me.

Same here.. I really enjoyed sonic Adventure 1. I was really disappointed with Sonic Adventure 2.

[Howard_Casto]

Agreed..

Sonic= Poor man's Super Mario Bros.
Sonic Adventures= Poor man's Mario 64

The genesis era was the worst because the levels were specifically designed so that you would pick up speed (which I thought was the whole point of a sonic game) just to have a rock or enemy placed in your path.  Sonic's controls were always sketchy so at least 50% of the time the obstacle was unavoidable, you get hit... lose your rings.... go to collect them and backtrack 4 screens just to get up enough speed to go through a loop only to hit another roadblock and start the whole process over! 

It's not that the games were bad, they just weren't that good.  While the nostalga bug has definately caught me once or twice, I never have understood why such a mediocre franchise has such a cult following.  There is a reason sega lost the console war guys.

That being said, I played sonic 4... it's terrible.... same poor controls and level design, but even more insulting is the fact that they barely updated the graphics at all.  It looks like a fan-made game!  Couple that with the high price tag and stupid, episodic format and it's an instant pass.    Ironically the actual fan made game is nice and looks very professional!  I still have issues with the gameplay, but I'm not a fan and I realize that the controls are at least sonic accurate, more so than sonic 4. 


For those that take issue with the graphical style of the fan-made game, I think you are confused as to what is "off" about it.  It isnt' too busy, it's the color pallette.  Soinc games are supposed to be radioactive!  The fan made game has many dark, bland pallettes.  It's a style decision that I don't agree with, but it still looks better than sonic 4.

[DJ_Izumi]

It's not that the games were bad, they just weren't that good.  While the nostalga bug has definately caught me once or twice, I never have understood why such a mediocre franchise has such a cult following.  There is a reason sega lost the console war guys.

Actually in the SNES/Genesis days, Sega at one point held more market share than Nintendo.  The reason the lost the console wars because of 32X, Sega CD and Sega Saturn.  When it was JUST the Genesis, they were rocking it pretty hard.  Even the Dreamcast was great, it just suffered from 'Too little, too late'.

[dre-w]

Downloaded the Sonic Fan Remix and I'm so glad that I didn't buy Sonic 4..  Yeh Sonic 4 is pretty and colorful but sorry not getting my $15.  I played through the Fan Remix and it really just makes the people who did Sonic 4 look lazy or like they just rushed it..   I mean come on, you got this huge orca whale that jumps out of the background, busts through a wall, flies over your head as you run by, and disappears somewhere into the foreground!  Meanwhile a huge Robotnic robot flying in the background through the entire level!  Why is this guy not getting paid by Sega??  It's just becoming sad because the fans are putting out better games/ideas than the game companies...  Anyone else seen that Mega Man 2.5D, another awesome fan made game

[DJ_Izumi]

Downloaded the Sonic Fan Remix and I'm so glad that I didn't buy Sonic 4..  Yeh Sonic 4 is pretty and colorful but sorry not getting my $15.  I played through the Fan Remix and it really just makes the people who did Sonic 4 look lazy or like they just rushed it..   I mean come on, you got this huge orca whale that jumps out of the background, busts through a wall, flies over your head as you run by, and disappears somewhere into the foreground!  Meanwhile a huge Robotnic robot flying in the background through the entire level!  Why is this guy not getting paid by Sega??  It's just becoming sad because the fans are putting out better games/ideas than the game companies...  Anyone else seen that Mega Man 2.5D, another awesome fan made game

While graphically pretty, I think that all of that flashy stuff from the Fan Remix just made the screen very busy and detracted from actual gameplay.

[WhereEaglesDare]

It's not that the games were bad, they just weren't that good.  While the nostalga bug has definately caught me once or twice, I never have understood why such a mediocre franchise has such a cult following.  There is a reason sega lost the console war guys.

Actually in the SNES/Genesis days, Sega at one point held more market share than Nintendo.  The reason the lost the console wars because of 32X, Sega CD and Sega Saturn.  When it was JUST the Genesis, they were rocking it pretty hard.  Even the Dreamcast was great, it just suffered from 'Too little, too late'.

I think you may be off a lil on this. 

The Genesis was released before the SNES, and at that time when it was NES v Genesis v 7800 Pro System, the Genesis KILLED them both, and a year or two later the SNES came out and it didn't take long for Nintendo to regain their lost market share.  You're right that the 32X and the SegaCD were some of the first nails in the Sega Coffin, but it wasn't just the SNES they were trying to compete with.  Also it may be noteworthy if you look at the release dates of everything the 32X may have been successful if it wasn't for the young and upstart SONY PLAYSTATION, which was released at the same time in Japan. 

By the time the 32X was released Sega had already lost the console wars, perhaps they just didn't know it.

Also, about the DreamCast, it would have been more successful if it wasn't for the head of Sega of America saying that the Sega Saturn was a "STILL BORN" when it was released.  This lack of confidence led to third-party developers not wanting to work with Sega anymore, the "if you don't believe in your product why should I" mentality sat in and when the DreamCast came out, which is on PAR if not BETTER than the PS2, nobody wanted to develop for it. 

In Japan the DreamCast had a much longer life than it did in North America or Europe.

In many ways Sega's internal power struggles also severely damaged the public image of the company.  If a country's government looks like it may be overthrown within the few months that country's currency value (compared to the world) will drop sharply and may never recover.  The same applies to corporations and is what happened to the Sega Corporation.

[Malenko]

the saturn was the start of the downfall of SEGA (it cost them more then a quarter billion dollars, and a third of its work force). The surprise E3 launch caught game devs with their pants down (this was all before the intertoobs was all the rage) and it was hard to develop for. I love my sega saturn, its still hooked up, but it was the kick to the nuts that started the downfall. Dreamcast is prolly the best system ever, but piracy REALLY killed it (I was guilty of bootdisking and eventually patching bin files into self booting CDI files)

the 32X certain didnt help but not much money was flushed down that toilet (I had the Sega 32X CD combo and there wasnt a single game that made it worth having)

Also, every system has a longer lifespan in Japan

back to sonic.... I kind of agree with Casto, except I never back tracked I just tried to hold 1 ring till the end, cause thats all you needed to not die. Sonic Spinball wasnt all bad, but I stand by my original statement of Sonic CD was my fave =)

[DJ_Izumi]

I think you may be off a lil on this. 

The Genesis was released before the SNES, and at that time when it was NES v Genesis v 7800 Pro System, the Genesis KILLED them both, and a year or two later the SNES came out and it didn't take long for Nintendo to regain their lost market share.

What are you talking about?  The Genesis sold like CRAP at first.  It didn't gain a lead in market share over Nintendo untill the 1993.  Sega held a 55% market share over Nintendo through 1994 even.

[shateredsoul]

i remember arguing with friends about which system had better graphics.. then donkey kong country and killer instinct came out, bam! I sort of want to go back and play all the great games I missed on the genesis due to my stupid fanboyness.

[WhereEaglesDare]

i remember arguing with friends about which system had better graphics.. then donkey kong country and killer instinct came out, bam! I sort of want to go back and play all the great games I missed on the genesis due to my stupid fanboyness.

You can, they're all only a buck now.  VECTORMAN anyone?

[DaveMMR]

I think you may be off a lil on this. 

The Genesis was released before the SNES, and at that time when it was NES v Genesis v 7800 Pro System, the Genesis KILLED them both, and a year or two later the SNES came out and it didn't take long for Nintendo to regain their lost market share.

What are you talking about?  The Genesis sold like CRAP at first.  It didn't gain a lead in market share over Nintendo untill the 1993.  Sega held a 55% market share over Nintendo through 1994 even.

The Genesis was on the map before Sonic came out.  Many of us had the Altered Beast pack-in.  They had some really effective commercials (remember "Genesis Does What Nintendon't"?)  Of course, you're right - not killer numbers compared to the NES - but I wouldn't put it in the same boat as other poor selling consoles.  Once Sonic came out, that's when the ball started really rolling. 

I agree with Casto.  I like playing the games on occasion but if you run really fast you just end up getting hit.  So you proceed cautiously and it becomes dull quick.  Oddly I can run through levels in Super Mario the way I wish I could have with Sonic.

[shmokes]

Sonic has never been good.  Sonic 1 was not a good game.  It is a retarded game for all the reasons HC mentioned.  Add to that the most obnoxious and repetitive music and sound effects in the history of videogames and you have a . . . um . . . obnoxious and repetitive retarded game.  Sonic was all marketing . . . showing that Sega was edgy and hardcore while Nintendo was just for kids.  Also retarded . . . Sonic . . . edgy . . . lmao.  I'm no fanboy.  My Wii is modded and I have every good game available for it, yet have only turned it on like three times since I modded it at least half a year ago.  Sonic just sucks and always has.

[WhereEaglesDare]

Sonic has never been good.  Sonic 1 was not a good game.  It is a retarded game for all the reasons HC mentioned.  Add to that the most obnoxious and repetitive music and sound effects in the history of videogames and you have a . . . um . . . obnoxious and repetitive retarded game.  Sonic was all marketing . . . showing that Sega was edgy and hardcore while Nintendo was just for kids.  Also retarded . . . Sonic . . . edgy . . . lmao.  I'm no fanboy.  My Wii is modded and I have every good game available for it, yet have only turned it on like three times since I modded it at least half a year ago.  Sonic just sucks and always has.

....  you're retarded...   

Just kidding...