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Re: I am now a blackbelt!
« on: March 04, 2010, 11:14:58 am »

If I were to do the same type of energy release from a full-draw-back-punch, I just might break my hand... and surely would take a life.

Sure.......

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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2010, 11:56:59 am »
I am fascinated by the mechanics of a 3" power punch

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2010, 12:16:11 pm »
I am fascinated by the mechanics of a 3" power punch

That's what she said.  Wot?

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2010, 12:24:56 pm »
I've tried and tried but thus far all I can breakthrough with my 3" power punch is a forum screen.
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Re: I am now a blackbelt!
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2010, 01:45:38 pm »
I am fascinated by the mechanics of a 3" power punch

That's what she said.  Wot?

1st Off Congrats, and best wishes on the healing process  But to further hijack a thread.....


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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2010, 06:52:39 pm »
End of B lunch?  What the hell kind of detention is that?  That doesn't take away any of your free time!  After-school detention is far more sucky to sit through.  B lunch detention is just lame.

I assume you got quite a bit of laughter, right?
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2010, 08:22:53 pm »
It's not for me. I read it someplace else just this morning and thought it was funny. Then alittle later I read the same comment in this thread and felt they belonged together

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2010, 02:11:55 pm »

 I once had a Jeet Kun Do guy order at the place I was working at.   (He had a
bright yellow uniform with logo)    At that time, I already long since taught myself,
and developed "Inch Power" to a good level...  But, I was curious to see how well
he could do it.

 I politely asked if he knew the 1" punch: 

   Yes.   

 Can you show it to me?

   Sure.

 He then asks me to grab a phone book.   I go into the back, and pull out a 4"
thick phone book, and return.

 He asks me to place it directly in front of my chest. (no gap)   I do so.

 He makes a fist, but then extends the pointer fingers knuckle so that its 1" further
out than the rest of the knuckles surface...  And then places the extended knuckle
"gauge" on the book.   

 I keep a very close eye on him.  How he is positioned.  And am prepared to look
for any trickery that some people often use when demoing this stuff.  Most people
do it all wrong, and merely Push rather than make it a powerful strike.  Many people
even Pull their fist back before they start.  Its very easy to see this happen... and so Im
staring at the arm - checking the movement direction as its happening...

 All the sudden, he "Twitches".  "BAM",  he hit me with the force of a cannonball at
speed!... Yet, I barely moved back.  All the force was concentrated Inside me.
I also noticed that he didnt move his fist/arm back before the start.

 I was a pretty hardened artist at that time, and so could take a heavy punch without
issue or much pain at all.  But this punch was Devastating!  My entire chest area:
About 1ft diameter circle...  felt as if it was lit on FIRE.   I was shocked at how much
stronger his power level was than mine... and how much damage it did.

 His face looked a little disgruntled, as he prepared for a 2nd attempt.  I started to
realize... that he was dis-satisfied with his first strikes power level, and felt he could
do better on another attempt!   I was shocked...  and as much as I was curious to
know.. I quickly stepped back and told him one was good.   I knew my body couldnt
take another hit like that again.

 My chest was in severe pains, for a punch of 1" distance - thru a 4" phone book.
I thought it might fade away in a few minutes time.  An hour passes.. and its still
as bad as ever.  4 hours later... it finally starts to subside.   I was seriously
contemplating going to the emergency center... as I thought he had done some
extreme internal damage to something in me.

 Had no phone book been used, and he had more room than 1"... I would not have
survived it.

 I had asked him before he left, what he did to make his punch so strong.  He listed
many various techniques Lee used to use, as well as simply things like Tiger Pushups.
I was a little lazy about strength training when I trained...  He however,
trained his strength and explosive levels much more intensly... and it surly showed.

 What is amazing, is that this man is nothing like  Chen Xiaowang:  A master of
a Chinese Tai Chi system.  Ive heard Chen Xiaowang did a demo once, where he
was resting against a person (Zero-Inch), twitched... and the guys ribs cracked.

 Inch power is very real, and much more scary than you can imagine.  However,
its not something that anyone can just pick up over the course of a few days.
It took me maybe a 6 month period to develop it to KO level power... and that
was on top of my already maximized Wing Chun punch which had maybe 3yrs
worth of experience/training.

 The Wing Chun punch uses the same technique of Fajin to generate
massive power in less distance.  However, most of the WC guys never dial
in the power to extreme levels.  (A sharp knife... but not razor sharp)

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2010, 02:35:34 pm »
LMAO.  Xiaou . . . this is irresponsible.  It's too much.  You're going to give me a heart attack.   :laugh2:
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2010, 02:47:21 pm »
You're going to give me a heart attack.   :laugh2:

That would be the 0" punch.

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Re: I am now a blackbelt!
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 02:52:07 pm »
I think I found Xiaou2's website check it out ...

http://www.realultimatepower.net/  :laugh2:

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 03:01:12 pm »
I think I found Xiaou2's website check it out ...

http://www.realultimatepower.net/  :laugh2:

That is possibly the greatest essay I have ever read.  Seriously.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 03:08:32 pm »
My wife teaches 4Th grade and gets papers handed in like this.   On one hand its really funny but on the hand its really disturbing.

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 04:22:26 pm »
0"!!!!
Nothing could be better than a 0" punch... except maybe a -1" pull?

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Re: I am now a blackbelt!
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 04:23:40 pm »
Seriously, we all get it xiaou2, you are one bad motor scooter, regardless the length of your punch 6,3, or 1" (so trying to be good here) you know many things that the rest of us mere mortals will never understand.  But that's not that what this thread is about.

Congrats on your perseverance and accomplishment Saint.   ... and tough break on the foot (sorry, I just couldn't help my self)  :laugh2:
Heal quick and well.
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 04:27:57 pm »
Seriously, we all get it xiaou2, you are one bad motor scooter

We SOOOO need to the QOTD mod running here ...

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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 10:31:03 pm »
The posts were not to brag.  I dont need anyone elses praise, nor do I seek it.

 The post, is to spread the higher truths of the arts, that many have yet
to discover.

 Fajin is an amazing technology.  One of the most dangerous technologies. The product
of thousands of years worth of martial arts developments in China.

 Anyone with 20 min of research will find plenty of knowledge about it.

 Bruce Lee had somehow learned it, and got it down to a pretty high level of
usage.   You can find quotes from artists who had the pleasure of
getting hit by it.

 There are also plenty of artists who can preform the technique live, should you
be willing enough to take the hit.

 Sadly, there are cons out there, as well as plenty who do not fully understand it,
and perform it incorrectly.

 Fajin cant really be Seen.. just like electric current cant be seen.  It must be felt
to be realized.  You can however spot it by the way the persons body moves.
Looks like a fully body vibrational / shaking.  This shows full body unification - which
means, the entire bodys mass is all connected and acting together at that moment in
time.

 Bruce Lee had managed to learn it.. and often did a demo using it.
Knowing the audience couldnt see Fajin, he mostly did more of a 'push' version
of it...which sent a person flying back into a chair, which then slid back many feet. 
The real version, wont move a person back much, if at all.  If the person moves back,
it means you were unsuccessful in releasing all the energy all at once... and it was more
spread out over larger time units... thus accelerating the person/target backwards.

 There are plenty of people trying to "bury" such technology, as they are fearful if the
masses have this power.

 It would be a shame, if such things were long lost forever merely due to fear.
Its time to spread the real truth of combat.  Rediscover and revive the lost arts.
Combat science is not about violence.  Its meant to stop violence.

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2010, 11:02:45 pm »

If the person moves back,
it means you were unsuccessful in releasing all the energy all at once... and it was more
spread out over larger time units... thus accelerating the person/target backwards.


I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

What about levitation, what's your take?  Or standing weightlessly on a sword, a la kung fu master in Kill Bill?
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 11:07:37 pm »

If the person moves back,
it means you were unsuccessful in releasing all the energy all at once... and it was more
spread out over larger time units... thus accelerating the person/target backwards.


I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 11:51:08 pm »
Xiaou2 I'm glad that you have found something to focus your attentions on and are confident in yourself.  Both are crucial elements in any successful person.  Can we please move on before this turns ugly?   :timebomb:

I wouldn't want you to flip out and kill an entire town cause someone dropped a spoon  :notworthy:
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2010, 01:01:38 am »
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I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

 Leave it to a future lawyer to not be able to understand the meaning.

  The difference between a punch and a push, is the amount of energy released in
a certain time unit.   You can for example, create a fast push... but, it will still be a
dull push.

 Many punch like a push.  They strike the target, but not with full body mass
connected "all at once".  Thus, the force is dull and reduced.  It becomes more of a
stream of energy... rather than an instant grenade 'explosion' of power.

 The stream of energy, still carries power.  But not nearly as much power as
it would have been had it been fully concentrated at delivery impact.

 The moment of solid impact is where all the damages take place.   After that moment,
the body is merely accelerated backwards.  Even a split second into impact, the punchers
fist is slowing down to less than half its original speed, as its coming up against the
resistance of the mass of the opposing target...   and as the impact is done, damage
transfered... the body is simply connected to the fist and nothing further is done.

 The corrected description would be:

    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.

 My body at age 23 was 150 lbs.  Have you ever been struck in the head by a
155 lb mass moving at over 50mph?    I assume you, that it would take far less to
knock a person out, let alone take their lives away.   With proper Fajin, a woman
of even 80lbs is far more dangerous than most men 4 times her mass.

 Its very simple, that most fighters can not get anywhere near their full mass into
their strikes.  This is mostly due to a process of fine timings and articulations.  Basically
speaking... its like they are sending a stream of water down a hose to put out a fire...
but the hose is filled with holes, and is leaking out everywhere.  By the time it comes
out, the water pressure is reduced to a fraction of its original pressure.

   

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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2010, 01:10:36 am »
A simplified explanation of Fajin, could be something like Bumper Cars.

 When you are colliding with a car, and you want to really spin them around,
at impact you quickly lurch your body mass forwards.   This Adds force to the impact.

 In a typical punch, most people have the person in the car already forwards, and
so at impact, nothing else can be done.   (OR, their person in the car is either loose, or
rigidly stuck in the back seat even as impact takes place.)



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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2010, 01:14:35 am »

    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.


I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2010, 03:18:39 am »

    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.


I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

Sure it is... force is dependant upon both mass, and acceleration, or as he put it "unit of time". 

HOWEVER...  the problem he's ignoring is it takes a great deal of energy to get your limbs moving at that speed.  So much energy that you'd have to be the size of a tank to do it properly which negates the whole "80 lbs woman can do it" argument.  Physics works both ways friends, it takes at least as much energy to put an object in motion from a stopped point as it expells when it collides with a stationary object.  While you can certainly make your punch more efficient and therefore have it hit harder by proper form and execution, you can't reach near superhuman levels just by "focus" alone.

The problem with most martial arts is they are very much a science of physics, BUT they are also steeped in thousands of years of religious mumbo-jumbo like "chi" and "focus" and don't forget "force".  But since that is such a small part of it people often deem it to be science as well since everything else they learned so so rooted in the science of motion. 


That being said, the body is quite capable of "super human" feats, but this is more of a glandular thing (adrenaline and what-not).  The physics gets balnaced out with your body being torn up from over use.  And of course your body was always capable of such  feats so it really wasn't super human.  You were just held back by silly little things like pain and slef-preservation.  I'm sure you could rip your own arm off as well, but I wouldn't reccomend it. 

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2010, 03:40:41 am »
The posts were not to brag.  I dont need anyone elses praise, nor do I seek it.

 The post, is to spread the higher truths of the arts, that many have yet
to discover.

 Fajin is an amazing technology.  One of the most dangerous technologies. The product
of thousands of years worth of martial arts developments in China.

 Anyone with 20 min of research will find plenty of knowledge about it.

 Bruce Lee had somehow learned it, and got it down to a pretty high level of
usage.   You can find quotes from artists who had the pleasure of
getting hit by it.

 There are also plenty of artists who can preform the technique live, should you
be willing enough to take the hit.

 Sadly, there are cons out there, as well as plenty who do not fully understand it,
and perform it incorrectly.

 Fajin cant really be Seen.. just like electric current cant be seen.  It must be felt
to be realized.  You can however spot it by the way the persons body moves.
Looks like a fully body vibrational / shaking.  This shows full body unification - which
means, the entire bodys mass is all connected and acting together at that moment in
time.

 Bruce Lee had managed to learn it.. and often did a demo using it.
Knowing the audience couldnt see Fajin, he mostly did more of a 'push' version
of it...which sent a person flying back into a chair, which then slid back many feet. 
The real version, wont move a person back much, if at all.  If the person moves back,
it means you were unsuccessful in releasing all the energy all at once... and it was more
spread out over larger time units... thus accelerating the person/target backwards.

 There are plenty of people trying to "bury" such technology, as they are fearful if the
masses have this power.

 It would be a shame, if such things were long lost forever merely due to fear.
Its time to spread the real truth of combat.  Rediscover and revive the lost arts.
Combat science is not about violence.  Its meant to stop violence.


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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2010, 05:53:32 am »
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HOWEVER...  the problem he's ignoring is it takes a great deal of energy to get your limbs moving at that speed.  So much energy that you'd have to be the size of a tank to do it properly which negates the whole "80 lbs woman can do it" argument.


 - This is only so, IF you are using the frequently taught approach.

 For example...

 1) Tighten all your arm muscles up,  and then try to punch a target
as fast as you can.

 2) Relax all your muscles.  Now repeat the process... and only tighten your muscles
when you fist touches the target.

 The results, are that the loose muscles will accelerate Much faster.   Maybe 3x faster.

 Many people when punching, start out tightening their muscles well before they
are at target impact.  This is like putting the brake on, while hitting the gas.
The Bicepts Pull.  The Triceps push.  You only need the push muscles partially "ON"
to get the arm to rocket forwards.  Yet if you turn on the Pull muscle as well... it
will slow your punch considerably.

 Yet, when you hit the target, you want to tighten BOTH, to create that firm structure
which allows force to conduct thru without losses from flexing.

 
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Physics works both ways friends, it takes at least as much energy to put an object in motion from a stopped point as it expells when it collides with a stationary object.  While you can certainly make your punch more efficient and therefore have it hit harder by proper form and execution, you can't reach near superhuman levels just by "focus" alone.

 - Mental Focus was never mentioned nor inferred.  While its partially true you need
ability to be aware of, and in control of many areas precisely... as said, focus alone
is not causing the power.

 - Also, its not Superhuman.  It IS Human force.  Its merely pictured as Superhuman,
because most humans do not practice it, let alone understand it.


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The problem with most martial arts is they are very much a science of physics, BUT they are also steeped in thousands of years of religious mumbo-jumbo like "chi" and "focus" and don't forget "force".  But since that is such a small part of it people often deem it to be science as well since everything else they learned so so rooted in the science of motion.

 - Actually, there is insane amount of science in the Chinese arts.  However, its
rarely discussed so openly.  Its generally spoke of in mystical terms to confuse,
and retain a certain level of secrecy to those who are not "in the know".

 - Chinese arts also at times like to be Poetic in descriptions.  As said, a concept like
Chi, is vastly misunderstood.

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The physics gets balnaced out with your body being torn up from over use.  

 Actually, Id be interested to know What things you think tear up the body.
As for example, I have no damages to my fist or feet, even though I regularly
punched & kicked solid concrete and steel.

 Ive litterally punched and kicked solid targets in the Thousands.  Its been
over 10 yrs, and still no sign of damages.

 While Im not saying there are may be nothing that could cause damages... Its
usually just people doing something wrong in their training.

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You were just held back by silly little things like pain and slef-preservation.  I'm sure you could rip your own arm off as well, but I wouldn't reccomend it.

 Pain as most people know it.. just about disappears in only a short time in the
arts.   The tissues & bones densify.  Things that would put the normal
"marshmallow-body" into the hospital, and or in severe agony... are nearly painless,
and cause no real damages.

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Ever seen Full Metal Alchemist?  All physics questions can be directed towards that show.  It's all about equivelent exchange guys. Wink

 Im not much into Animae.  Nor into phony BS such as those idiots who tell people they
can use their mental Force to stop an attacker.   I rely on real physical tactics that
work, and have been tested very well, against aggressive attackers, by myself
personally.

 I can tell you that the Scientific community barely understand the capabilities of
the human body... and even with the highest tech sensors, cant quite grasp all the
details.   One can clearly see this when watching a show like  Human Weapon
(as well as Fight Science, and related shows) ... where they are constantly getting
data and information wrong.  

 Im no scientist... All I can do is best describe the things felt.  As well as to personally
Show by physical demonstration... much like has been done for thousands of years.

 
 The power  comes from the last moment of the strike, when the fist has just
struck in deep enough to compact all the tissue...   Then the striker convulses his
entire bodies muscles/tissue in a forwards vector.  The INSTANT split-second unification
of an 80lb woman, is far more than enough power to take a life.  Ever take an 80 lb
sledge hammer to your head?  Remember, that on top of an already fast moving
fist (40 feet per sec) , you are adding that 80lbs in a split second by means of
a twitch.  The SPEED of a muscular Twitch, might be the equivalent of 200mph.
That factor means that in a time unit of maybe a 100th of a second, 80 lbs of force
was dumped - which is then amplified by its already current 35+mph speed of the
fist+the bodys sudden lurch forwards+additional force if a person is Moving INTO
your strike.

 If you looked hard enough, you could probably find someone who took a baseball
bat to the head, and still survived.  However, how much energy per split second
was delivered with that strike?   A 1000 lbs  in a second might sound bad... but its
nothing compared to 1000 lbs in 100th of a second.

 Why is that?

 Quite simply, because the object you are hitting will immediately disperse forces
you impart upon it.   The slower the force dump, the more time is allowed for that
body to absorb and release the energy.

 However...  If you put so much energy into so little of a time unit... the material
you are striking has little to no ability to absorb it without it tearing apart.  You
can thus cause enough power to rupture tissue, blood vessels, etc.  You can
cause concussions and permanent brain damages... and of course, complete organ
destruction/failure.


 A very simple example can be seen with water.   If you lay your hand slowly into
it... it will move around your hand easily.  Yet, if you slap it fast, it will become solid, and
sting your hand.  

 Water does not damage, so its not quite like a flesh target.  But things like blood
vessels/vains.. which carry liquid, can react quite similarly.  The blood will not compress,
and so the tissue which carries it will pressurize.  If there is sufficient pressure, it will
tear or burst.   If a blood clot forms, it can cause major problems.

 While I have no experience with this...  Ive heard that there are some arts which
have very detailed understanding of human anatomy... and when attacking, will
target several key areas in rapid succession.   This pattern, may cause the persons
body to lock up, (adrenal? pain overload: brain shuts down functions?) clot in areas, bloodflow then stopping or re-routing... and or bursting. One is called Dim Mak...
but I doubt anyone who knows it for real, exists anymore... and would not teach it
to merely anyone.  Anyone who says they know it openly, is more than likely a fraud.

 I probably never would have believed it even possible... Had I not learned, developed,
and felt the true power of Fajin.  Its power levels are unlike anything you can imagine.

 And, I probably wouldnt have believed the power of Fajin...until I started to hear
the stories from people Lee had struck.  Lee was all about real combat training, and
didnt mess around... So, his words are taken far more seriously/credibly than that of
anyone else.
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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2010, 06:24:18 am »
Here is a little clip which contains a small example of some things discussed.



 Important: Turn up the Volume before viewing.

 At time mark  1:26  the man starts to punch in a kinda typical way.  You can
see at times that his body is not really all that sync'd up.. and so losses are evident.

 At 1:34,  he does a  Wing Chun style 'relaxed' fajin vertical punch.  You can see at the
moment of impact, how it effects the target guy.  He is shocked,  does not move as
much from the blows... but because of the power, is in so much pain that he verbally
Yelps and doubles down and away.

 You can hear the impact sounds as well.  The Fajin impact is twice as loud and vivid..
and you can see that the striker is barely even trying hard.  Slow to start strike, and
only partial power released.

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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2010, 12:30:16 pm »

    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.


I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

Sure it is... force is dependant upon both mass, and acceleration, or as he put it "unit of time". 


You'll have to explain that one for me.  This is what Xiaou said, emphasis mine:

"If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of
concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike."

I gotta say . . . I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2010, 04:32:08 pm »

    If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike.


I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

Sure it is... force is dependant upon both mass, and acceleration, or as he put it "unit of time". 


You'll have to explain that one for me.  This is what Xiaou said, emphasis mine:

"If the target is pushed back more than a foot of distance, it shows the lack
of
concentrated energy needed for a Fajin strike."

I gotta say . . . I'm not . . . sure . . . that's . . . how physics works.

But you forget, this i fajin physics  :laugh2:
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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2010, 04:51:03 pm »
No.  Its the physics of the human body structure.

  A pool ball hitting another pool ball will cause the hit ball to rocket around the table.

 Yet, a human is Not a pool ball.   Humans are made up of squishy materials which
absorb forces very well, without displaying even a fraction of the kinetic exchange
of solid pool balls.   Humans also resist impacts, and can re-route energies in different
ways - so as to reduce potentials.

 If I hit the chest, the bones will flex, tissue and air cavities compress...etc.
I can hit a short depth of only 2 or 3 inches of compression, and upon that depth,
add all my mass in that instant - like a bomb.   The guy isnt going to rocket
backwards 15 feet.  In fact, If done correctly, he will barely move 6".  
I dont have to push Past that depth.. as that serves no purpose.  I stop at the point
where their structure is fully compressed, so can absorb no more... thus damages are
maximized when full energy is dropped.

 And yeah, in addtion to a room full of other training devices...
I have a  $300  Real Leather  6ft tall pro heavy bag.   Ive trained extensively
with All types of striking, including traditional, boxing, etc.  I CAN and Have pushed
through a target/human.  However, that is far weaker than the power of the Fajin
strike, where all the energy is expelled instantly, rather than weakly over longer time
units.  I dont preach such serious things without personal verification.


 I always find it hilariously funny when some so called physics experts chime in, who
have absolutely No understanding of how forces work inside the human body.
That and or some gushy marshmallow man who has never hit anything in his entire life.


 So yeah, umm...  Your Concept of physics is Flawed,
thus, you are wrong.  Im sorry if that hurts your Egos.
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Ooh, that reminds me.  I have a bag of marshmallows in the closet.  In this case, F=ma really means Feeding ---my bottom---.
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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2010, 07:32:58 pm »
 Yeah was'nt it steven seagull that did the forehead punch with a pool ball when he was above the law?

 You know he can do all that riff raff and never get his hair tangled either.

 He even has been highly trained how to roll down a steep dirt hill stand up wipe himself off once and his suit still manages to look like it came right out of the dry cleaners amazing.
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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2010, 07:40:14 pm »
No.  Its the physics of the human body structure.

  A pool ball hitting another pool ball will cause the hit ball to rocket around the table.


 So yeah, umm...  Your Concept of physics is Flawed,
thus, you are wrong.  Im sorry if that hurts your Egos.


the two poolballs are the same mass you idiot, your hand doesn't have the same mass as a whole human body. if you hit a body with a whole other body at speed the target body would not absorb the impact it would move like the pool ball, for ---smurfs--- sake do you never get bored of being wrong
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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2010, 08:09:34 pm »

 I always find it hilariously funny when some so called physics experts chime in


The more force you hit someone with, the less proportionally that can be absorbed by our squishiness, the more the person will be forced backward.  I'm no physics expert, Xiaou.  I'm just really really smart.  I figured that out all by myself. 

Imagine, for a moment, what happens when a person is shot with a gun.  Something tells me you are not capable of punching someone with more force in a smaller area than what a high powered rifle can do with a bullet. 

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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2010, 09:22:00 pm »
No.  Its the physics of the human body structure.

  A pool ball hitting another pool ball will cause the hit ball to rocket around the table.


 So yeah, umm...  Your Concept of physics is Flawed,
thus, you are wrong.  Im sorry if that hurts your Egos.


the two poolballs are the same mass you idiot, your hand doesn't have the same mass as a whole human body. if you hit a body with a whole other body at speed the target body would not absorb the impact it would move like the pool ball, for ---smurfs--- sake do you never get bored of being wrong
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The more force you hit someone with, the less proportionally that can be absorbed by our squishiness, the more the person will be forced backward.  I'm no physics expert, Xiaou.  I'm just really really smart.  I figured that out all by myself.

 To what end?

   In what point does a punches damage turn to a mere damage-less Push?

 This is the point.

   If you can transfer all your energy in a fraction of a second, you do not need
to keep Pushing deeply thru the target.   Thus, he will not be pushed backwards
much at all.

 Most punchers can not release all their energy fast enough for that
to happen... AND, they simply do not understand that mere depth alone
does not do more damage.


 The fajin energy is like a shockwave, and rather than go merely forwards thru the
target... it will be more spherical.  Again, much like an bomb.  The reason, is
that the target can not deal absorb fast enough, and so the energy burst out in
all directions.   

 A typical punch does have some damages that spread out... but usually its
very limited because the energy at Impact, which is the most important time unit,
is only partial release... and the body can absorb it more easily.  As the punch
changes to push... it does no further damages..and most of the energy is merely
a forwards push.

 
 The Pool ball was en example in the TYPE of Material.   Has nothing to do with Sizes.
The solid high density material is very conductive, and Nothing like how a human
mass reacts.  If you have launch two Human Twins at each other, they wont react
like two pool balls at the same mass as the twins.   Humans have bone, which is like
a pool ball... but because that structure is covered in absorbing tissues, air pockets,
fluids, and even the bones themselves are flexing and filled with joints... the human
structure can absorb and redirect energies in ways that is unlike any pure solid object.
Being as such, you can not apply simply solid object physics to it.  Its a Lot more
complex than that.

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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2010, 03:35:32 pm »

   If you can transfer all your energy in a fraction of a second, you do not need
to keep Pushing deeply thru the target.   Thus, he will not be pushed backwards
much at all.


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« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2010, 06:43:35 pm »
Visual might help some who have Genuine Interest in Improoving Technique:

 Red Ball       = Fists
 Red Square = Full Mass
 Red Lines    = Force Lines
 Green          = Body (Chest)
 Yellow          = Shows COMPRESSED Tissue
 
 Top Half Shows Fajin Reaction.  
 Bottom half shows traditional reaction.

 Fajin Explanations (Top Half of Picture) :

    Frame 1:  Fists impacts and Compacts tissues until they are fully Compressed
    Frame 2:  Full body mass is then connected to the fist, by a blistering fast
     tightening of every single muscle in the body, to unify ALL MASS at one time unit.

     Notice the Force Lines.  They shoot out in all directions like a spherical explosion.
      The time unit = Instant Force Dump at possibly 1/100th of a second.

  ===========

 Boxer / Karate Punch  (Bottom Half of Picture) :

1) Fist and Partial Mass are already connected before punch hits.
2) Multiple boxes of mass represent mass that will stream over time.  For example,
1 Arm & part chest mass hits first, then hip/back added by push thru, possible
1 legs last.

3) Because less mass is impacting initially, and over a longer period of time... the
forces are absorbed well enough that the forces stay in a straight narrow line.
With Fajin, the forces are so great, that they force their way in all directions doing
mass damages in order to Try to dissipate.  

4) The smaller circles show the force being carried out long after initial impact, as
the puncher is Pushing / Accelerating the person away.  The force lines stay stable
as a stream initially, and quickly die down as speed is reduced via bodys friction
& the targets acceleration away.   The compression of the tissue is also seen reducing
over time.

 Let it be said, that Some Traditional Punchers Can and Do create Fajin.  Usually,
its a random act.. as they do not train it specifically, and thus it can not be called
upon at any instance accurately.

 Fajin can be added to Any kind of strike... including Hooks for example.  Its merely
a technology.  However, because its so powerful, and needs so little space to
utilize.. Wing Chun, and other similar arts... will choose to use the lead hand straight
punch (which is nearest the target) in order to get the hit there faster.. and because
its less likly to be stopped.

 ==========

 Picture 2

 ==========

 Shows again the  Typical  -vs-  Fajin  strike.  It shows the Amount of Mass activly
adding to the power of the strike at Solid Impact. (all forwards vectored & fully
connected as One solid unit, in One split second of Time)

 The Red shows Active Use of Mass at Impact
 
 In the typical punch, one leg, one arm, and various other parts are Not adding
to the forwards vector... and are Not connected as One unit at Impact.  Therefore,
do Not add to the damage potentials.

 In fact, Im actually being Generous with my Active mass on the traditional puncher.
For example, when the hip rotates.. only part of that energy is utilized due to
the mass rotating past a forwards vector.

 Im also creating a pathway for the energy from ground to hand... where as some
fighters lose this path with bad timing..mostly at the hip...  Thus only upper body and
arms are involved.
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« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2010, 06:57:48 pm »
Now that you Might understand what is happening..  Take a look again at a True
Master of Power.

 

 Notice that when he releases his energy... ALL of his mass is UNIFIED as ONE
Solid Object.   Watch as Every single muscle from his face, to he Legs reverberate
with UNIFIED Mass Force.

 If this man hit you with his full power, you would not make it to the emergency
center.  You would be riding a hearse.