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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1040 on: October 07, 2008, 04:35:23 am »
I wont be able to access the TV as it will be enclosed in a cab :)

Is it possible to turn the TV on using timed relay?


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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1041 on: October 07, 2008, 10:46:27 am »
use the pci card trick

set your pci as the primary display in your pc's bios setting and your soft15k card to secondary and then go to device manager in windows and disable the pci card.

power down the pc and next time you boot your pc the bios screen will load on the pci card with no monitor connected becuase it is set to primamary.

 soon as windows starts the pci that was doing the bios then become's disabled in windows and your secondary card running the soft15K will kick in and display winows at 15K.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1042 on: October 07, 2008, 12:46:33 pm »
Can anyone tell me how to make 'double scan' versions of the 15khz resolutions??, so they work on a LCD display

Where was I... Oh yes!

custom31khz.txt
Code: [Select]
modeline '240x240@58,795' 9,66 240 252 276 310 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '256x240@60,436' 10,6 256 272 296 336 240 244 247 261 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '256x256@59,496' 10,72 256 268 292 330 256 257 260 273 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '256x264@58,317' 10,7 256 268 292 330 264 265 268 278 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '288x240@59,885' 11,68 288 296 328 368 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '296x240@59,941' 11,9 296 304 336 376 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '304x240@59,305' 12,4 304 320 352 396 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '321x240@59,014' 12,9 321 336 368 414 240 242 245 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '320x256@59,917' 13,36 321 340 372 416 256 257 260 268 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '336x240@59,749' 13,66 336 352 384 433 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '352x256@59,697' 14,56 352 368 400 450 256 257 260 271 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '352x264@57,257' 14,7 352 365 405 452 264 265 268 284 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '352x288@51,116' 14,8 352 368 408 464 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '368x240@59,196' 14,94 368 384 424 478 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '384x288@51,219' 15,7 384 400 440 496 288 289 292 309 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '392x240@59,898' 16 392 408 448 504 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '400x256@52,419' 16,16 401 416 456 519 256 268 271 297 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '448x240@60,01' 18,32 448 464 512 576 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '512x240@59,973' 21,36 512 544 600 672 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '512x288@50,939' 21,36 512 544 600 672 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '632x264@56,751' 26 632 664 728 824 264 265 268 278 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '640x240@59,96' 26,44 640 672 736 832 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '640x288@50,955' 26,2 640 672 736 832 288 289 292 309 -hsync -vsync doublescan

But I doubt your LCD will sync to all of them (at least not the 50hz ones)


*EDIT*
Oops... I didn't answer your question...
You double the pixelclock, and add a "doublescan" to the end of the line, that's all.

Cheers thanks, it this the same as doubling the refresh rate??

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1043 on: October 07, 2008, 07:31:37 pm »
Can anyone tell me how to make 'double scan' versions of the 15khz resolutions??, so they work on a LCD display

Where was I... Oh yes!

custom31khz.txt
Code: [Select]
modeline '240x240@58,795' 9,66 240 252 276 310 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '256x240@60,436' 10,6 256 272 296 336 240 244 247 261 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '256x256@59,496' 10,72 256 268 292 330 256 257 260 273 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '256x264@58,317' 10,7 256 268 292 330 264 265 268 278 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '288x240@59,885' 11,68 288 296 328 368 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '296x240@59,941' 11,9 296 304 336 376 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '304x240@59,305' 12,4 304 320 352 396 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '321x240@59,014' 12,9 321 336 368 414 240 242 245 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '320x256@59,917' 13,36 321 340 372 416 256 257 260 268 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '336x240@59,749' 13,66 336 352 384 433 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '352x256@59,697' 14,56 352 368 400 450 256 257 260 271 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '352x264@57,257' 14,7 352 365 405 452 264 265 268 284 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '352x288@51,116' 14,8 352 368 408 464 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '368x240@59,196' 14,94 368 384 424 478 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '384x288@51,219' 15,7 384 400 440 496 288 289 292 309 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '392x240@59,898' 16 392 408 448 504 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '400x256@52,419' 16,16 401 416 456 519 256 268 271 297 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '448x240@60,01' 18,32 448 464 512 576 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '512x240@59,973' 21,36 512 544 600 672 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '512x288@50,939' 21,36 512 544 600 672 288 289 292 312 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '632x264@56,751' 26 632 664 728 824 264 265 268 278 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '640x240@59,96' 26,44 640 672 736 832 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync doublescan
modeline '640x288@50,955' 26,2 640 672 736 832 288 289 292 309 -hsync -vsync doublescan

But I doubt your LCD will sync to all of them (at least not the 50hz ones)


*EDIT*
Oops... I didn't answer your question...
You double the pixelclock, and add a "doublescan" to the end of the line, that's all.

Cheers thanks, it this the same as doubling the refresh rate??

Um, yes? I recommend re-reading what she said at the bottom.


Marc, if you don't want to mess about with this stuff than I suggest not using it. Just use S-video or component. Elsewise, you're going to have to have more patience and read through all the stuff. It will actually take less time than learning the hard Trial 'N Error way.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1044 on: October 08, 2008, 12:06:53 am »
Cheers thanks, it this the same as doubling the refresh rate??

Err, no.

Doubling the refresh would output 240 lines with 120Hz, Doubling the Scanlines will output 480 lines with 60Hz.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1045 on: October 08, 2008, 02:02:28 pm »
Here's a question I didn't see after reading through this sucker.

Can Soft-15KHz be used in conjunction with Powerstrip? The reason I ask is that Powerstrip lets you adjust some screen geometry settings, which would be helpful for people using an analog tri-sync monitor that doesn't remember the settings for each frequency.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1046 on: October 08, 2008, 02:14:48 pm »
Here's a question I didn't see after reading through this sucker.

Can Soft-15KHz be used in conjunction with Powerstrip? The reason I ask is that Powerstrip lets you adjust some screen geometry settings, which would be helpful for people using an analog tri-sync monitor that doesn't remember the settings for each frequency.

Yep. But you will have to use Soft-15kHz first. Then change the modes with PowerStrip
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1047 on: October 08, 2008, 02:16:13 pm »
Here's a question I didn't see after reading through this sucker.

Can Soft-15KHz be used in conjunction with Powerstrip? The reason I ask is that Powerstrip lets you adjust some screen geometry settings, which would be helpful for people using an analog tri-sync monitor that doesn't remember the settings for each frequency.

Yep. But you will have to use Soft-15kHz first. Then change the modes with PowerStrip

Interesting. Thanks SailorSat. Looking forward to giving Soft-15Khz a try when my cab is completed. :)

Edit: One last question...what PCIe card seems to be the most compatible with all the modes? I haven't bought the computer components for my cabinet yet and want to get the best card to use with Soft-15KHz. Thanks again.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1048 on: October 09, 2008, 08:09:55 pm »
Cheers thanks, it this the same as doubling the refresh rate??

Err, no.

Doubling the refresh would output 240 lines with 120Hz, Doubling the Scanlines will output 480 lines with 60Hz.

Oh. Right. Duh. Partly I was confused because (as I remember them, but can't find them in a regular search) in the 'high refresh' modes posted, the refresh listed for each mode isn't 120 but 60. However, the clock is twice what it would be, which is the same in the case just above, but the 'doublescan' tells it to "double the scanlines".

Ah-ha Here it is. But the image isn't displaying, at least for me. Easy to miss it, and a search with SailorSat as the poster didn't bring it up. Had to search only under 'modeline'.


Here's a question I didn't see after reading through this sucker.

Can Soft-15KHz be used in conjunction with Powerstrip? The reason I ask is that Powerstrip lets you adjust some screen geometry settings, which would be helpful for people using an analog tri-sync monitor that doesn't remember the settings for each frequency.

I tried out Powerstrip before soft15 came around, but couldn't get it to work. Do you have to load those resolutions manually into Powerstrip or does it just know all available Windows modes? And then does PS allow you to adjust in-game?
« Last Edit: October 09, 2008, 08:17:10 pm by Ummon »
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1049 on: October 10, 2008, 03:06:54 am »
One last question...what PCIe card seems to be the most compatible with all the modes? I haven't bought the computer components for my cabinet yet and want to get the best card to use with Soft-15KHz. Thanks again.
ATI Radeon X600-X800 or a NVidia GeForce 7600GT-7950GT.

Newer Radeons have a higher pixelclock limit (7.12mhz) and newer GeForce don't seem to support resolutions below 512x384.



Do you have to load those resolutions manually into Powerstrip or does it just know all available Windows modes? And then does PS allow you to adjust in-game?
Actually powerstrip will read all available resolutions from windows, an the "detailed" definitions once the resolution is active.

Only downside is, that the powerstrip window is too big to be usefull below 640x480.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1050 on: October 10, 2008, 07:14:49 am »
One last question...what PCIe card seems to be the most compatible with all the modes? I haven't bought the computer components for my cabinet yet and want to get the best card to use with Soft-15KHz. Thanks again.
ATI Radeon X600-X800 or a NVidia GeForce 7600GT-7950GT.

Newer Radeons have a higher pixelclock limit (7.12mhz) and newer GeForce don't seem to support resolutions below 512x384.

The Radeon X600 was the card I was looking at. I can get one pretty cheap ($20) on eBay. Good to know it works. Thanks again. :)

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1051 on: October 10, 2008, 11:39:11 am »
I wont be able to access the TV as it will be enclosed in a cab :)

Is it possible to turn the TV on using timed relay?

On my vertical cab with a 26" Loewe TV, I wired in an extra power switch and mounted it in a discreet place on the cab so that I could turn the TV on/off separately.

BTW, here is your new VGA->SCART lead being tested on my 33" Grundig.  As you can see, all the colours look great in RGB splendour!  The hat in the foreground belongs to my daughter, who enjoys watching movies and playing windows games on the Grundig (a good side-benefit of this hobby).

My apologies to SailorSat - the PC is running Powerstrip for 15khz modes.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1052 on: October 11, 2008, 07:04:06 am »
Cheers thanks, it this the same as doubling the refresh rate??

Err, no.

Doubling the refresh would output 240 lines with 120Hz, Doubling the Scanlines will output 480 lines with 60Hz.

Ok, so alot of these lower resoultion modes will not work on a PC monitor then?? As i know the version 2 of the ArcadeVGA card stated that it worked with PC monitors, i just though this program would work in the same way?? So would i get better results if i doubled the refresh rates or doubled the scanlines on an LCD PC screen?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1053 on: October 11, 2008, 07:24:30 am »
Both of these will work on CRT monitors, but only doublescanned will work on LCDs, as your LCD can't sync to 120Hz.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1054 on: October 14, 2008, 03:52:10 pm »
question for you sailorSat.

i have a passive ati radeon 3870 with dvi-vga dongle running with vga->rgb cable to a 25" sony trinitron scart rgb tv 4:3
running windows xp 32bit with catalist driver 8.9

all resolutions below 640x480 are steady, sharp not shaking resolutions

but when i select 640 x 480 or up the screen flikkers very much, i read something about selecting 480i instead of 480p

is a tv always shaking from 640x480 and up?

and second question, in mam.ini i selected change resolution , some games go to propper resolution but for example street fighter 2 world warriors goes to 640x480 and then stretches

why doest it go native?

thnx.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1055 on: October 14, 2008, 04:04:42 pm »
question for you sailorSat.

i have a passive ati radeon 3870 with dvi-vga dongle running with vga->rgb cable to a 25" sony trinitron scart rgb tv 4:3
running windows xp 32bit with catalist driver 8.9

all resolutions below 640x480 are steady, sharp not shaking resolutions

but when i select 640 x 480 or up the screen flikkers very much, i read something about selecting 480i instead of 480p

is a tv always shaking from 640x480 and up?

and second question, in mam.ini i selected change resolution , some games go to propper resolution but for example street fighter 2 world warriors goes to 640x480 and then stretches

why doest it go native?

thnx.

Do you have Artwork enabled?
As for 640x480, yeah, actually a TV can't show real 480 lines, so it will flicker.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1056 on: October 14, 2008, 04:13:47 pm »
no i disabled them, i just select 4:3

so 640x480 flickers always

so why is sf2 running in 640x480 and then stretched to full screen, when its a 320x244(dont know exact) game?

some games like xmen vs sf2 run in their native..

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1057 on: October 14, 2008, 04:52:38 pm »
Is there anywhere you can buy a proper vga to scart as I presume its the cable thats the problem.

Phew...
Over here in Germany theres only one shop I know of that sells those cables.

( http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_info.php/products_id/12836/%3Cbr%20/%3E )

Like I said, you won't find those cables premade anywhere. (The ones at wolfsoft are handmade too)
Maybe you find someone at your location who can solder you one.








HI Sailorsat,
Got the cable delivered today.
I tried what you told me and am still getting a flickering on the TV, I can see the desktop but it is red and flickery .
I tried messing around with resolutions but not sure what I should be doing.
Just to refresh its a radeon 9250 pci card and a philips tv with scart.
Any suggestions.
Thanks.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1058 on: October 14, 2008, 09:21:15 pm »
I'm concerned about cables' construction quality, because the symptoms you describe could be due to poor connections on colour and/or sync signals.

I'd like to know the pinout for that cable.  For example, how do they send the RGB switching signal to pin 16?

I don't suppose that you could open it up and take photos each side so we can see the pinouts (and whether some wire connections are falling off)? 

Is there anywhere you can buy a proper vga to scart as I presume its the cable thats the problem.

Phew...
Over here in Germany theres only one shop I know of that sells those cables.

( http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_info.php/products_id/12836/%3Cbr%20/%3E )

Like I said, you won't find those cables premade anywhere. (The ones at wolfsoft are handmade too)
Maybe you find someone at your location who can solder you one.

HI Sailorsat,
Got the cable delivered today.
I tried what you told me and am still getting a flickering on the TV, I can see the desktop but it is red and flickery .
I tried messing around with resolutions but not sure what I should be doing.
Just to refresh its a radeon 9250 pci card and a philips tv with scart.
Any suggestions.
Thanks.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1059 on: October 15, 2008, 12:08:22 am »
no i disabled them, i just select 4:3

so why is sf2 running in 640x480 and then stretched to full screen, when its a 320x244(dont know exact) game?

some games like xmen vs sf2 run in their native..

Because the Artwork will take some pixel space, even if you disable them.
Open your MAME.INI and set "crop-artwork" to 1, or remove your artwork path.
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1060 on: October 15, 2008, 02:04:44 am »
no i disabled them, i just select 4:3

so why is sf2 running in 640x480 and then stretched to full screen, when its a 320x244(dont know exact) game?

some games like xmen vs sf2 run in their native..

Because the Artwork will take some pixel space, even if you disable them.
Open your MAME.INI and set "crop-artwork" to 1, or remove your artwork path.

that worked like a charm ! thanks sailorsat.

i tried samurai showdown and the screen goes blank at 321x24? something any thoughts on that?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1061 on: October 15, 2008, 03:25:22 am »
I'm concerned about cables' construction quality, because the symptoms you describe could be due to poor connections on colour and/or sync signals.

I'd like to know the pinout for that cable.  For example, how do they send the RGB switching signal to pin 16?

I don't suppose that you could open it up and take photos each side so we can see the pinouts (and whether some wire connections are falling off)? 

Is there anywhere you can buy a proper vga to scart as I presume its the cable thats the problem.

Phew...
Over here in Germany theres only one shop I know of that sells those cables.

( http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_info.php/products_id/12836/%3Cbr%20/%3E )

Like I said, you won't find those cables premade anywhere. (The ones at wolfsoft are handmade too)
Maybe you find someone at your location who can solder you one.

HI Sailorsat,
Got the cable delivered today.
I tried what you told me and am still getting a flickering on the TV, I can see the desktop but it is red and flickery .
I tried messing around with resolutions but not sure what I should be doing.
Just to refresh its a radeon 9250 pci card and a philips tv with scart.
Any suggestions.
Thanks.












Thanks for the reply Zebidee.
The picture gets better as I mess around with the res.
The way I have my cab setup at the moment is through the TV so I am not using the PC monitor at all.
Just to run you quickly through what I did.
Have a radeon 9250 pci 128mb card installed.
Ran soft 15khz (on the primary card) set the resolution to 600x480
Rebooted the machine, connected the scart to vga and I can see the desktop but it flickers slowly down the screen.
Just another thing on this, the vga-scart cable has a usb cable coming from the scart end which has to be connected or I get no picture at all, there is also 2 audio connections coming off this.
Cheers.
I can open the scart when I get home and take some pics if it would help.
I hope its not my card as I bought this and the cable especially for the cab.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1062 on: October 15, 2008, 10:51:47 am »
t the best card to use with Soft-15KHz. Thanks again.
ATI Radeon X600-X800 or a NVidia GeForce 7600GT-7950GT.

Newer Radeons have a higher pixelclock limit (7.12mhz) and newer GeForce don't seem to support resolutions below 512x384.
So, the best card is the ati x800xt (are x800XT, x800GTO and x800 the same for soft15KHz?) because nvdia cards have a limit on the number of resolutions you can add, right?

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Do you have to load those resolutions manually into Powerstrip or does it just know all available Windows modes? And then does PS allow you to adjust in-game?
Actually powerstrip will read all available resolutions from windows, an the "detailed" definitions once the resolution is active.

Only downside is, that the powerstrip window is too big to be usefull below 640x480.
The changes you make with PS are saved in soft15khz, or have I to reload it every time?
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1063 on: October 15, 2008, 11:07:03 am »
ATI Radeon X600-X800 or a NVidia GeForce 7600GT-7950GT.

Newer Radeons have a higher pixelclock limit (7.12mhz) and newer GeForce don't seem to support resolutions below 512x384.

Good to know. Is anything newer than a x800 have the higher limit.

Also, do you know what exactly the pixelclock limit is for the older (e.g. X800) actually is?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1064 on: October 15, 2008, 11:34:36 am »
Double post sorry.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1065 on: October 15, 2008, 02:28:07 pm »
I use a X1950 pro ddr3 512MB with these:

;Remove some "too low" resolutions
remove 240x240
remove 256x240
remove 256x256
remove 256x264
remove 321x256

;ReAdd some "low" resolutions with higher pclock and (way) larger sync width
modeline '288x240@59.885' 7.12 288 332 392 448 240 243 246 265 -hsync -vsync
modeline '296x240@59.941' 7.12 296 338 392 448 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync
modeline '304x240@59.305' 7.12 304 344 392 448 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync
modeline '321x240@59.014' 7.12 321 350 392 448 240 242 245 264 -hsync -vsync
modeline '336x240@59.749' 7.12 336 356 392 448 240 243 246 264 -hsync -vsync

the x800's may not have to do that and able to run them res's as is but they lack the horse power compared to higher end cards that can be used with pretty much the same great results.

the only reason I went with that card is I wanted to be able to play pc games of today where the arcadevga and early X-series is just not getting it done anymore.

I also figured by getting that card and it being the strongest vga card they made I would not have to worry about updating it ever until a whole new pc rig is made.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2008, 02:39:43 pm by northerngames »

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1066 on: October 15, 2008, 04:02:18 pm »
where do you add these lines?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1067 on: October 15, 2008, 04:08:03 pm »
You add these lines in the "custom.txt"

Interesting post northerngames.
These changed resolutions look like the originals? Can you notice the difference?

One thing I have not understand is how you can modify these res mantaining the centering, stretch, width, etc..

PS: Have you tested nulldc with this video card? Wich is your model of x1950 (sapphire, peak, etc.). thx :)
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1068 on: October 15, 2008, 04:20:24 pm »
You add these lines in the "custom.txt"
It's custom15khz.txt


These changed resolutions look like the originals? Can you notice the difference?
One thing I have not understand is how you can modify these res mantaining the centering, stretch, width, etc..
They don't look like the originals. The have black borders. Simply impossible to get them with those high pixelclocks.
I do all that stuff even without a Joystick ;)
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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1069 on: October 15, 2008, 04:43:29 pm »
lol

first i bought a radeon 8600 passive then sailersat told me to get ati so i got a radeon 3870 passive
and now i need a old card like the x800 to be able to use all these resolutions.

my radeon 3870 doesnt do 321x240 or lower :(

what the best thing to do then?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1070 on: October 15, 2008, 04:59:16 pm »
oh, i found a pc what is mine with a radeon x800 xl card pcie

is that same for x800?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1071 on: October 15, 2008, 05:48:27 pm »
oh, i found a pc what is mine with a radeon x800 xl card pcie

is that same for x800?

Yes!

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1072 on: October 15, 2008, 08:18:28 pm »
 I take no credit for the res's I posted everything worked like the arcadevga for me except a few after I started to use stock soft15K.

 I had mentioned them and the display problem to sailor and was sent that .txt file to try and it worked great for me.

 I am happy with all the results and everything I throw at it looks great to me.

I just used the file provided for me  :notworthy:

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1073 on: October 16, 2008, 02:56:17 am »
I am happy with all the results and everything I throw at it looks great to me.

So, no black borders with those removed resolutions? Have you tryied them?
;Remove some "too low" resolutions
remove 240x240
remove 256x240
remove 256x256
remove 256x264
remove 321x256

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1074 on: October 16, 2008, 03:24:13 am »
I am happy with all the results and everything I throw at it looks great to me.

So, no black borders with those removed resolutions? Have you tryied them?
;Remove some "too low" resolutions
remove 240x240
remove 256x240
remove 256x256
remove 256x264
remove 321x256

I have the same setup as northern. There are black borders. Stretch your image on the monitor and the games are borderless.

Your conclusion is odd because he is happy with the resolution it has to be borderless? Some games look great close to their native resolution that you take the borders for granted.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1075 on: October 16, 2008, 03:44:45 am »
There are black borders. Stretch your image on the monitor and the games are borderless.

Ok, but if you change between resolution, you will always have to deal with width pots on the monitor.

Are those black borders "top-bottom" or "left-right" (or both)?

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1076 on: October 16, 2008, 05:47:05 am »
i tried it on my radeon 3870 with the things removed

neogeo had borders and so has sf2 now :(

why is there no wiki on this  :P doesnt eveyone have this problem who uses soft15khz and rgb scart vga?

ill swap the videocard tonight with a x800 and try again

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1077 on: October 16, 2008, 06:40:26 am »
There are black borders. Stretch your image on the monitor and the games are borderless.

Ok, but if you change between resolution, you will always have to deal with width pots on the monitor.

Are those black borders "top-bottom" or "left-right" (or both)?

Well i am fortunate that it remebers the setting per refresh setting so (15khz 25khz and 31khz).
Just pick the nicest one in your case.

The borders are some times on top (widescreen look alike games.) and some are on the side (neo geo type) It differs per game. Only on a few verticals i have borders on both sides.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1078 on: October 16, 2008, 06:48:25 am »
i tried it on my radeon 3870 with the things removed

neogeo had borders and so has sf2 now :(

why is there no wiki on this  :P doesnt eveyone have this problem who uses soft15khz and rgb scart vga?

ill swap the videocard tonight with a x800 and try again

It does not make a diffrence if you swap cards. It is because of the number of pixels you use. The picture does not stretch to fill up those lost pixels this is why you see borders.

You simply cannot get a perfect picture for running so many diffrent games, period.
Accept the borders or use stretching and get an ugly picture. You make that choice.

What you want is simply not possible.

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Re: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards
« Reply #1079 on: October 16, 2008, 07:06:02 am »
arent neogeo games full screen like samurai showdown?

it has borders and so does sf2