People evacuating on foot... and making it

[ChadTower]

Motivated people evacuating a disaster area on foot.

[RayB]

Yeah well, in America if you can't drive there in under 20 minutes, it's not worth getting your fat ass up for.

[Stingray]

I'll tell you one thing. I'd much rather walk across America than Africa.

-S

[Ed_McCarron]

I'll tell you one thing. I'd much rather walk across America than Africa.

Less lions, thats for sure.

This is one of the arguments oft brought up re: Katrina.  Bottom line, mostly everyone that didn't make it figured someone would help them.

The folks in that story knew that they were on their own.

[ChadTower]

Ultimately, everyone is on their own.  The only person an adult should depend upon for last resort help is themself.

[RayB]

Ultimately, everyone is on their own.

[paigeoliver]

There is a Muslim phrase

Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel.

It means that God isn't a free pass. He might "provide" in the way of allowing you to walk out.

Other similar phrases, "Pray to God but keep rowing to shore".

God helps them who help themselves (usually misused as an excuse to do something wrong).

[allroy1975]

but muslims are bad guys.  so that statement isn't relevant.  the REAL god will fix everything for me.  unless i sinned.  Then i'm screwed.  especially since my neighbor has started building an arc...i'm starting to think i'm the odd man out.   

[shmokes]

"The wind came back with triple fury, and put out the light for the last time.  They sat in company with the others in other shanties, their eyes straining against crude walls and their souls asking if He meant to measure their puny might against His.  They seemed to be staring at the dark, but their eyes were watching God."

[shmokes]

by the way....there are more than 26 people in Somalia.  And at least 26 people left NO on foot.  Now if everybody in Somalia who is in danger but doesn't have a car evacuates by foot.....

[paigeoliver]

There are probably more cars in the parking lot at my work right now then there are in the entire country of somalia.

[RayB]

I thought Somalia was a food dish?

[ChadTower]

Those individuals are not responsible for all of Somalia.

[tommy]

Ultimately, everyone is on their own.  The only person an adult should depend upon for last resort help is themself.

Ah, but then most of them believe "GOD" will provide, now don't they? Another excuse not to lift a finger.

Do you not care for america and americans?

Yeah well, in America if you can't drive there in under 20 minutes, it's not worth getting your fat ass up for.

[ChadTower]

He's not too far off, tommy.  An awful lot of those trapped people in New Orleans, when asked by reporters why they did not evacuate, said "we figured the gov't would come and save us".

[missioncontrol]

come on, here in America we will drive around a shopping center parking lot for 30 minutes looking for a spot just so we don't have to walk.............

 

[ChadTower]

Good point.  I've seen people do that for 15 minutes or more to avoid 30 seconds of walking.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

He's not too far off, tommy.  An awful lot of those trapped people in New Orleans, when asked by reporters why they did not evacuate, said "we figured the gov't would come and save us".

Source? or are you just making stuff up again?



mrC


edit by moderator: please watch the profanity, and don't try and get around the auto-censor.

[tommy]

come on, here in America we will drive around a shopping center parking lot for 30 minutes looking for a spot just so we don't have to walk.............

 

All i have to do is tell you i don't do that and your whole argument is out the window.

Don't start making generalizations.

[missioncontrol]

ummm did you not see the rolled eyes thingy??? come on man, quit taking things so serious....

would it please you more if I had said


come on, here in America most of us (99.9%) will drive around a shopping center parking lot for 30 minutes looking for a spot just so we don't have to walk.............

would that make you happy???

[tommy]

That would be much better, thankyou.

Why didn't your rolleyes face just say that in the first place.

[missioncontrol]

Why didn't your rolleyes face just say that in the first place.

Sorry next time I'll speak much slooooooooooowwwwerrrrrrrrrr for you to understand

 

[tommy]

 

 

[Stingray]

He's not too far off, tommy.  An awful lot of those trapped people in New Orleans, when asked by reporters why they did not evacuate, said "we figured the gov't would come and save us".

Source? or are you just making sh!t up again?



mrC

I don't have a source either, but I'm fairly sure I heard at least one survior say something similar in an interview. I also heard several people say that they believed that god would help them.

-S

[missioncontrol]

He's not too far off, tommy.

[ChadTower]

I won't drive around looking for a close parking spot, but when I do park in the back of the lot, often whoever I am with will complain that I didn't try hard enough for a closer spot.

[shmokes]

When I'm in a car with a driver who is doing that parking lot thing I never bite my tongue.  I like to say things like, "It's amazing that people will go so far out of their way to get fat."

If it's someone I don't feel quite so comfortable with I'll always at least say, "You realize that it's going to at least another minute to drive around to look for a closer spot, but if you had simply taken that one we'd almost be in the store right now..."

I have a lot of contempt for our society's precoccupation with being as lazy as possible.

[ChadTower]

When I'm in a car with a driver who is doing that parking lot thing I never bite my tongue.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I don't have a source either, but I'm fairly sure I heard at least one survior say something similar in an interview. I also heard several people say that they believed that god would help them.

Chad said, "an awful lot"...and of course, that being his only point, you'd think he was trying to make a broader critique of all those who chose to stay behind, as well as all those who were left behind.

I'm sure several people said Ronald McDonald was coming to save them, doesn't make sense to try to extrapolate "an awful lot" from that.

Is CNN credible enough? I heard a few of them interviewed say things like that.......

A few? Here we go again...

There were 50,000-80,000 people trapped in N.O., I'm just supposed to accept Chad's glib remark that if they were just "motivated" enough, they could have all walked out? That neighboring towns would have just let them in? (even though bridges were later blocked anyhow)

I don't doubt some people said "because the gov't would save me", my point is, what does it have to do with the vast majority of people who stayed behind for economic reasons, or for health reasons, the elderly, sick, weak, or for simple lack of a place to go, or FEAR of leaving?

How is Chad NOT implying that those who stayed behind, did so because they were not "motivated"? That they somehow deserve less sympathy because Chad needs to define them as "less motivated"? It's an ignorant statement, devoid of the reality surrounding a lot of those who stayed.

Furthermore, in the parlance of Chad...how is that a "solution" to anything? To me, it's another one of Chad's bigoted underhanded remarks. (The kind he won't defend, nor explain, yet claim are "blunt" and "clear".)



mrC

[ChadTower]

Here's an implication for you:

I defend my statements when I give a crap about the opinion of the person questioning them.

Infer on that one.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Coward. Just like I said.

[ChadTower]

 

[Stingray]

Don't make me have to offer to hug you guys again.

-S

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Keep benching...maybe you'll bulk up enough to someday have the courage to stand behind the implications inherent in your statements. Even if it's only on a forum, let alone in person.

[DrewKaree]

Why didn't your rolleyes face just say that in the first place.

Sorry next time I'll speak much slooooooooooowwwwerrrrrrrrrr for you to understand

 

pssst the guy is wearing a helmet.  You shoulda realized that from jump!

[ChadTower]

Keep benching...maybe you'll bulk up enough to someday have the courage to stand behind the implications inherent in your statements. Even if it's only on a forum, let alone in person.

Try to stay away from commenting on being in person until you've actually stood before me in person.

I am working currently on having the courange to stand behind the violence inherent in the system.  The implications inherent in my statements will have to wait.

[missioncontrol]

pssst the guy is wearing a helmet.

[shmokes]

Why didn't your rolleyes face just say that in the first place.

Sorry next time I'll speak much slooooooooooowwwwerrrrrrrrrr for you to understand

 

pssst the guy is wearing a helmet.  You shoulda realized that from jump!

Just so you know.  I never EVER take the extra time to read that stuff you put in tiny type.  I've got a 24" monitor and that is almost unreadable even squinting -- and I've got at least 20-15 vision.  I just don't understand the logic of typing it if you don't want others to read it.  I get using various devices for effect, and I'm cool with the strikethrough, or bold, underlining, italics, sticking a "p.s." at the end.  But that tiny font thing rubs me the wrong way.

[ChadTower]

You say that like you expect him to care.

[DrewKaree]

Just so you know.  I never EVER take the extra time to read that stuff you put in tiny type.  I've got a 24" monitor and that is almost unreadable even squinting -- and I've got at least 20-15 vision.  I just don't understand the logic of typing it if you don't want others to read it.  I get using various devices for effect, and I'm cool with the strikethrough, or bold, underlining, italics, sticking a "p.s." at the end.  But that tiny font thing rubs me the wrong way.

I can't believe I needed more reasons to use it, but now that I know this, it just rocketed to the top of the charts!  So you're a small-type bigot....can't we all just get along?

You say that like you expect him to care.

EXCELLENT counterpoint Chad.  I think your point has been proven!