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New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« on: September 08, 2004, 01:34:56 pm »
To complement my car artwork (http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=21752;start=msg193723#msg193723) I'm adding a girl to complement the artwork. Here is a little teaser. I'll post updates on this artwork in this thread.

The car vector is not yet complete and that artwork project isn't cancelled or put on hold, so don't worry. I just needed a break from the metallic green artwork and I planned to have a girl on the cab anyway ;)

In case you are wondering: the girl is based on Scott Campbell's Danger Girl: Abbey Chase. The green outfit she wears is perfectly adjustable to make it into a racing overall.

As usual, I'm curious of what you think  :)
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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2004, 02:01:53 pm »
I still don't see how you do that in Visio.  It must be your superhuman powers.

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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2004, 02:19:58 pm »
When you switch of the grid and modify some 'snap and glue' settings, the vector tool in Visio uses the same principles as in Adobe Illustrator: connectionpoints and bezier handles.
I'm used to work with Visio in my daily job so I know a lot of shotcuts and I feel the way new curves are added is more intuitive (to me).

So no superhuman powers here (I wish! ;) ... that could fill a whole new topic on the "everything else" board: What would YOU do with superpowers ... ;D )
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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2004, 02:28:13 pm »
looks like a good start

can you post your source picture?

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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2004, 03:18:36 pm »
Source picture attached to this message. I keep the original comic book (it's the cover) next to my PC for reference.
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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2004, 03:20:26 pm »
...and a little update. Had some spare time for drawing. Note that I'm planning to change the bikini into a more race themed suit.

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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2004, 04:08:23 pm »
AH... Danger Girl.  I always liked J. Scott Campbell.  Gen 13 was sweet.  Your work looks really good.  Will that be compatible with Illustrator?  You work in Visio right?
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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2004, 04:27:33 pm »
...and a little update. Had some spare time for drawing. Note that I'm planning to change the bikini into a more race themed suit.

Why?

Can't bikini girls race cars?  I think the pistol and knife are more out of place than the bikini

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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2004, 02:50:41 am »
AH... Danger Girl.  I always liked J. Scott Campbell.  Gen 13 was sweet.  Your work looks really good.  Will that be compatible with Illustrator?  You work in Visio right?

Yep, I work in Visio. My other piece of vector art was converted to AI format. I don't have AI myself, and I had no responses about the file.
The art in AI compatible format (EPS) can be downloaded here: http://www.localarcade.com/arcade_art/details.php?image_id=275
BOYAC thread here: http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=16195
It should give a good indication what the Visio-to-Adobe converter produces.
Can anyone please confirm what the quality is of the conversion process (ie. does the AI file look good)?

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Can't bikini girls race cars?  I think the pistol and knife are more out of place than the bikini

You're right, I might keep the bikini :) The knife and pistol will definitly be removed though...

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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2004, 09:34:43 am »
When I get my mac put back together (I moved this past weekend) I can check the quality of the conversion.
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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2004, 01:25:02 pm »
SO COOL! I'm a biiiiig Danger Girl fan. I've been thinking for some time about doing artwork for a Danger Girl cab theme and calling it "Dangercade" The DG sketchbook has a fantastic spread that looks like a Bond movie opener... it's just BEGGING to become a marquee :)

That is fantastic vector work! Can hardly wait to see the finished product.
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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2004, 04:35:51 pm »
SO COOL! I'm a biiiiig Danger Girl fan. I've been thinking for some time about doing artwork for a Danger Girl cab theme and calling it "Dangercade" The DG sketchbook has a fantastic spread that looks like a Bond movie opener... it's just BEGGING to become a marquee :)

I was browsing my DG Sketchbook (yep, I'm a fan too, I even have the DG statuettes on my monitor...) to see what bond-like -spread you meant. I found one that looks like it on page ... uh...no page numbers, it's in the blue section the page after the pinball sketch. Is that the one you refer to?

That is fantastic vector work! Can hardly wait to see the finished product.

Thanks!

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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2004, 11:41:47 pm »
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I was browsing my DG Sketchbook (yep, I'm a fan too, I even have the DG statuettes on my monitor...) to see what bond-like -spread you meant. I found one that looks like it on page ... uh...no page numbers, it's in the blue section the page after the pinball sketch. Is that the one you refer to?

Ooops. Not the Sketchbook. Its in the Dangerous Collection Vol. 1. :P  However it looks like the sketch you pointed out was actually an early version of it. Hmmmm. Sorry for the wonky image, scanner isn't available. I think a marquee based on this, with the name full size left to right, and the girls rearranged for a more horizontal layout would be amazing. Kinda makes me want to do a set of alternate art for my cab. Most of all I want the Abbey Chase gun in the spa layout on a CP, but I don't think I can post the image here  ;) Sigh... like my wife would let the cab in the living room THEN.
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Re:New vector project: girl
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2004, 11:47:32 am »
Today I had a little time to do some drawing...

@Pixelhugger: Oh yeah, the Abbey-in-bubblebath picture would look great on a CP. Might be a little distracting. I also find the picture where Sydney's suit is (partially) unzipped (issue #6 last 2 pages) very tempting to vectorise as sideart for a cab. My wife agreed that the picture I'm vectorising now is decent enough, don't think she would agree with the Sydney picture...  ;)
Heh, this conversation might lure people who don't know the comic into reading it ;D

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 ;) Sigh... like my wife would let the cab in the living room THEN.

Yeah.  Sure she would. Mine too. :P ;D
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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 11 sept 2004)
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2004, 03:32:14 pm »
minor update...

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 11 sept 2004)
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2004, 04:48:59 pm »
Thank god.  I was afraid she wasn't legal.  ;D  WAKKA WAKKA!

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 14 sept 2004)
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2004, 02:13:18 pm »
Another update. The vectorisation process is much quicker than I expected  :) The image has nice clean lines (or should I say 'curves' ;) ) which are nicely tracable.

note: some shades are lost in the conversion to .gif format - only 256 colours- so there is some artefacting in the attached image. The vector shades are in true full-colour.
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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 14 sept 2004)
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2004, 02:23:40 pm »
How does vector shading work in Visio? Is it like the gradient mesh tool in Illustrator.... where you use repositionable intersecting points on a grid to specify colors to blend? Or is it like the gradient tool where you can pick a direction for a linear or circular gradient? I ask because the subtlety you are achieving is impressive.  :o
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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 14 sept 2004)
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2004, 02:45:55 am »
How does vector shading work in Visio? Is it like the gradient mesh tool in Illustrator.... where you use repositionable intersecting points on a grid to specify colors to blend? Or is it like the gradient tool where you can pick a direction for a linear or circular gradient? I ask because the subtlety you are achieving is impressive.  :o

Thanks for the compliment, I'm quite pleased with the result if I may say so myself ;)

I attached an image to demonstrate how the gradient fills work in Visio.
Visio can do a set of prefixed shade patterns (left-to-right, top-to-bottom circular etc.). This method is quite limiting since you can't really set the direction of the shade: top-left to bottom right is always at an angle of 45 degrees no matter what the shape looks like.  A mesh would be a great addition or at least a direction for the shade would help a lot.
I divide the shape in general shades and colour those shapes to achieve a better shading. For example the arm: I divided it in a few shapes. The outer shape is the shadow and uses the darkest tone of fleshcolour I use. The inside shapes have gradients top-to-bottom (green in the attached image) light pink to the dark fleshtone so it fades into the same tone at the wrist. Same goes for the other shape which has a circular shade from the top-left (light) to the dark flesh tone on the outside.


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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 16 sept 2004)
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2004, 06:10:40 am »
Almost done. The only thing left to do is the 'net' part in the bikini... which is probably the hardest part to vectorise...
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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 16 sept 2004)
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2004, 10:15:14 pm »
Niiice.  So are you going to put a racing helmet in her hand instead of a gun or something?  This is supposed to go with your car right?

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 16 sept 2004)
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2004, 07:28:52 am »
Niiice.  So are you going to put a racing helmet in her hand instead of a gun or something?  This is supposed to go with your car right?

Yep, the art is meant to go with the car. I'm going to experiment with drawing a helmet in her hand.
First however I want to finish the piece of artwork like this, in case the helmet experiment fails  ;)
I'll be offline for a few days so updates will have to wait.

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 16 sept 2004)
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2004, 07:01:32 am »
I added the mesh-fabric on the side of the bikini. To show what I'm aiming for as sideart for my driving cab I added the car for this time's update.

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 23 sept 2004)
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2004, 09:00:46 am »
Looking good.  You know... it looks like you're going more for street racing theme.  I'm not sure if a helmet would fit.  If it was a motorcycle yeah.  Maybe you should have her dangling some car keys or something in the hand you haven't drawn yet.  I'm sure whatever you do it will be awsome.

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 23 sept 2004)
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2004, 09:07:46 am »
Here is a helmet drawing I was working on.
The top two are vector the other graphics are pics I was using for reference.
Not sure if the helmet is at the right angle for you.

If you want the ai files, just email me.

Love the car and the girl!, Great job!

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 23 sept 2004)
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2004, 05:12:10 am »
Thanks for the references BobbyG66!

I've been experimenting a little. I'm not yet happy with the result. (note: the hand is not yet finished). Maybe when I add some more shading and make the black outlines a little stronger. The idea is that she loosly let the helmet lean on het shoulder (dunno the correct english word -not my native tongue- but I think it's "nonchelance"?)

Let me know what you think.

I also think Witchboard's opinion is a good one. I didn't look at it that way at first but I'm indeed aiming more for the streetracing theme (I plan to have Burnout 3 in the cab) so a set of carkeys might be a good idea. .

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Re:New vector project: girl (updated 23 sept 2004)
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2004, 07:29:54 am »
I've been experimenting with this idea (see attached image) to flesh out the picture with an explosion on the background. I haven't made an effort yet to draw a vectorised explosion so I used circles to illustrate the idea.

What do you think?

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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2004, 10:23:52 am »
I think it would look cool.  It would break the monotony of all the green.  Not that it's bad, just that having something in contrast to the green would really make it "pop".  I'v been watching too much home decorating shows with the wife.  ::)

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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2004, 11:13:18 am »
Just a question my art professors would have asked: :D

What's exploding?
I think it would look cool but I just wonder why.  Other than looking cool.

What color is the rest of the Cab?  

How about smoke from a burnout?
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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2004, 11:56:31 pm »

What's exploding?

The competition!  ;D
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Maybe she has just broken wind

Are you set on the colors?  

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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2004, 12:03:59 am »
Maybe she has just broken wind

Thus the name, "Danger Girl?"  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2004, 08:10:17 am »
You know, it would seem to me that bra manufacturers have to come up with really expensive extra-support bras for superhero women.  Thank goodness they only seem to ever have to make them in a D cup.  :)
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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2004, 12:26:44 pm »
I really like the last one with the explosion!

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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2004, 11:01:15 am »
Yeah, I'm going to try and draw an explosion. I've been doing some comicbook research and I hope I manage to paint one, some explosions have complex colour shades  :-\. Besides that, the explosion needs to match the artistic style of the car and girl.

PS. no comment on bra sizes of superheroines!  ;D Though my next project might be Red Monika from Battlechasers. Original a Joe Mad comic, Scott Campbell has also painted her once. (if your face looks like this:  ??? then try here for Joe's originals and J.S. Campbell's version.)

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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2004, 08:23:43 pm »
Just out of curiosity how long did the vectorizing of the girl take? ... as in total hours. I'm working on a couple of characters for someone's cab and achieving this kind of detail is taking me FOREVER.
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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2004, 01:17:09 am »

Rough estimate: 10-12 hours. I usually take rounds of about 2 hours of drawing.

The explosion I attempted didn't work out the way I liked it. Mainly because the lack of shading tools in Visio - there were 'hard' boundaries because it's nearly impossible to get the exact colours in a fade in two different shapes to line up. In AI it would probably be one shape with a gradient mesh on it.

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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2004, 09:09:10 am »
It's about time you dusted off this project.  I was wondering what ever became of it.

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Re:New vector project: girl (opinions wanted)
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2004, 10:55:36 am »
It's about time you dusted off this project.  I was wondering what ever became of it.

Yeah, the project is currently on low on my priority list. Which doesn't mean that it will be trashed or so, I like this project way too much so the driving cab with this artwork will one day be a reality.
My plans require time, cash and space: three things I have little of at the moment. My family will move to a bigger house in march 2005 (my wife approved the games room! hurrah!), when the moving is done I hope the other two requirements will follow soon enough.
So keep an eye on the forum sometime next year... a bright green driving cab might appear in the project announcement board!