Sorry Vigo. I respectfully disagree with you on this.
She is what she is.
Letting it go just allows her to keep spewing hate.
There are some things in life that are worth fighting against.
This is one of them. She said what she said and then she was willing to torpedo her membership here to defend those statements. She was given the chance to retract those statements and she just spewed more hate.
She is definitely a racist.
2019 Vigo would completely agree with you, Mike. 2021 Vigo just desperately wants to get the ---fudgesicle--- off this roller coaster.
I am going to admit I do not know the full context since he decided to nuke her posts, and agree that things that can offend people should be removed and honestly shouldn't have been posted to begin with. It was more than fair to ban her for not taking it down and that final comment would have sealed the deal with me, if I were the decision maker.
From what is left up, I am trying to be fair, I don't see a deliberate attempt at racism. Not saying you can't see it that way, but being matter-of-fact, China is a country, not a race. Jenn's comments, as I saw them, could have easily come from a place of geopolitical opinion, and not racial. I am a bit sensitive to that as well. My wife is Chinese, and immigrated the to US in her 20's. Even though we have got family and friends in China, you should see the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about China that comes out of my wife's mouth. They are a government that engages in a lot of terrible human rights practices.
But none of that is here or there. My whole point is calling someone racist, even if it might seem obvious from your perspective that you are defending against hate, hate isn't necessarily the motive for a comment from the other person. The minute you throw that charge out there in the open, there is no going back from it. The only reaction you are going to get in response is anger and it is going to fuel a narrative that only divides that person against the rest of us. I don't think that is a position we should be putting each other in, and something the mods can ultimately handle.
I've been doing a lot of thinking about these things in the last year (I end up needing to do that living in Minneapolis). The sister of a co-worker friend of mine had her Ethopean restaurant burnt down in the chaos. I am a bit introspective about the collateral damage issue. After a lot of thinking, I personally feel a big reason why we are where we are is as a society, is we allowed the charge of racism to be thrown around callously. Every politician accuses the other side of racism, the news is filled with stories accusing people of being racist, or throwing a racial angle on every subject. Places like Twitter are nothing but people calling each other racist, like that meme with two spidermen pointing at each other. This is pure poison, and things are not going well at all. Things are literally burning down around us.
Anyway, I have zero ill will here friend, and am not trying to single you or anyone out or anything. I know your intent is nothing but admirable and I appreciate that, really do. I am just speaking my peace in a broad sense at the state of affairs today. Everyone needs to take a step back.
It occurs to me that no one else sees the number of complaints about people for various reasons that I don't take action on, only the stuff I do finally do something about.
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I don't have a deeper point to make.
Thanks, Saint. I appreciate this a lot. It is actually pretty comforting being at a place where the owner sees us for all our faults as human beings and gives us more chances than we likely deserve. I probably would have been out the door a long time ago myself if things were more strict.