Help with NullDC

[wobb]

Hello all.  Long time lurker here. Great place to hang out!   I have been spending the last few weeks setting up HyperSpin Front End.  Everything is going pretty well for the most part.  One of the problems I'm having though is NullDC crashes too much.  I am using 1.0.4 r135, as this is for hyperlaunch 2.13.  But have also tried the latest build of NullDC and have the same problems.  This isn't related to HyperSpin.  NullDC crashes just fine on its own

I am running Windows 7 64bit and have an i5 chip, an EVGA GeForce 220 1gb ddr3 card updated to latest nvidia drivers, and 4gb ddr3 ram.  I have all the DirectX updates and the C++ updates as required by NullDC.  I'm pretty sure I have NullDC set up correctly.  Some games work just fine, but others cause it to crash right away.  I have replaced the games but still the same result.  I'm sure it's not the games, but the emulator itself.

In the error window, it says the event name is BEX.  I've googled this and read about disabling DEP.  When I go to do this, windows won't let me disable DEP for NullDC.

This is driving me nuts.  Figures the games I want to play the most are among the ones not working.  I've googled the heck out of this and read a ton of posts from people having the same issues.  But I really can't find a solution that works.   Please...if anyone can help I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you.

[mytymaus007]

What systems are you running with the Nulldc if your running Dreamcast its hit or miss what crashes try using demul32-0.5.6 I like it better i also run atomiswave and naomi with that emulator. Ive been fooling with demul32-0.5.7 the latest version but havent configure it 100% yet

[mytymaus007]

 

[Peja]

Guess he didn't want to respond myty.....

I may end up trying demul32 myself.  I am currently set up for nulldc but I haven't installed my CP yet so none of my buttons/sticks are mapped yet.  With demul, do you have to have any other mapper program (heard you need one for Nulldc) for the controls or is it like mame/nes/snes emulators where you can map the buttons within the program? 

Peja

[wobb]

Guess he didn't want to respond myty.....

It's been less than 24 hours...relax.

Running Sega Dreamcast..

NullDC is very touchy, but it turns out some of my roms were making it crash. This surprised me as i tried a few different rips of the same games only to have it crash each time.  but someone recommended a great site to get roms from. So i tried some roms from that site and those worked with out nulldc crashing. Go figure.
Sorry..against this site's rules to post the link.

NullDC is definitely NOT one of my favorite emulators. lol. but at least it's working now.  If anyone is reading this and can't understand why NullDC is crashing, try some  different rips of whatever game is making it crash.  To be safe, try like 4 different rips.  Sounds like a hassle, but trust me.. you need to run a rom that is "just right" for NullDC, or else it'll crash.

[mytymaus007]

Demul works like MAMe you can map every button inside the emulator. For Dreamcast are you running iso' s for the roms They seem to be the best but i cant find a site that has all iso package not into downloading 1 at a time but i might have to for Dreamcast

[Peja]

Ok I am relaxed now.....


It may not get as many looks since it is in the software forum but BadMouth just informed us that Demul 5.7 is out.  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=118299.0

Haven't read up on it and how well it works but some people were quite excited about it on a few other forums.

Peja

[mytymaus007]

Ok I am relaxed now.....


It may not get as many looks since it is in the software forum but BadMouth just informed us that Demul 5.7 is out.  http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=118299.0

Haven't read up on it and how well it works but some people were quite excited about it on a few other forums.

Peja

Keep me posted on how you make out with it So far i cant get it work with windows 7 lot of missing .dll errors Hope you figure it out! keep me informed!

[wobb]

works fine here, using win 7 64bit.  not to sound like a broken record, but make sure you have your c++'s installed.  I installed 2005, 2008 and 2010 both x86 and x64.  also make sure you have the most current directX.

put the dc.zip (bios) in a folder called 'roms', that should be created where demul.exe is.   for video plugin i choose gpudx11.  for gd rom plugin i choose the gdrImage.  I was able to launch 4 Wheel Thunder.gdi with no problems.

[mytymaus007]

GoT everything set up with no errors NOW the only problem is the GD-Rom config its prompting me to add file ,what file belongs there, if i search only the game rom works i tried a game and it worked. Is that how you load a game seems like it not set up right. I wasnt able to get it runninging hyperspin

[Peja]

GoT everything set up with no errors NOW the only problem is the GD-Rom config its prompting me to add file ,what file belongs there, if i search only the game rom works i tried a game and it worked. Is that how you load a game seems like it not set up right. I wasnt able to get it runninging hyperspin

Myty, I believe I saw someone earlier talking about the new version on the hyperspin forums today.  I haven't even messed with it yet so i'm not sure about your gd-rom problem.  I'm going to get my control panel put together before I add a new emulator. This looks promising though!

Thanks wobb for all of your assistance and knowledge on this so far.

Peja

[wobb]

Myty - are you talking about demul57 for sega dreamcast games?  if so, i think its normal to have to select a game everytime you start demul and select to run sega dc.  As far as hyperspin goes, support for this demul57 was added to one of the ahk modules (the sega naomi module) and djvj added a new settings.ini in his ftp (let me know if you want that file).  this is for use with sega naomi, but maybe using the ahk script and the settings.ini, you can use it for you sega dreamcast setup with hyperspin.  im not sure yet, as i havent tried it.
i finally got nulldc working in hyperspin for sega dc games.  im not about to touch it lol.  i just wish i could use my mouse/lightgun for house of the dead 2.  the damn maple plugins and settings and all that dont seem to do anything.

[mytymaus007]

thanks wobb for the files but i was able to get them, been working on Naomi all nite lots of error need more time. In that setting.ini for naomi I noticed there were 3 paths on the first line 1.demul5.6 2. demul 5.7 3. makron I know before the modules old version 1.0 used 2 scripts for Naomi are we still doing this or demul 5.7 does all games. Seems like a mess but still trying to get it working!!!!!!

[wobb]

seems like we still need to use the 3 emulators...demul56, 57 and makaron.   yeah...they make these scripts with the worst directions. djvj really doesnt know how to write directions in a way where the average person can follow.  it really pisses me off.

what exactly are the errors you're having?  here is my setup for the modules folder.
C:\HyperSpin\Modules\Sega Naomi.  now in the Segan Naomi folder i have 5 files:  display.exe, logo.png, loading.png, Sega Naomi.ahk, and Settings.ini.   The Sega Naomi.ahk script is the latest one on HyperList (march 1st).  The settings.ini is from djvj's folder in the ftp.  in that settings.ini make sure your paths are correct.

in C:\Hyperspin\Settings, i have an ini called NaomiMakaron which points to the makaron emulator and roms. Makaron roms are dat.
in C:\Hyperspin\Settings, i have another ini called Sega Naomi.  this points to the demul emulator and roms. demul roms are zip.

Everything works fine, but I dont understand how to configure and save my inputs.  This is another thing they made extremely complicated with poor instruction.
Hope this helps.

[mytymaus007]

yeh got it working thanks Wobb, Question in the settings file thats inside the module i have path to demul5.7 and makaron what about demul5.6.

your setting for c:\hyperspin/settings sega naomi What demul emulator is it pointing to 5.6 or 5.7 im assuming all roms are all in one folder What about for the makeron emu what ever games that emu do you have the .dat games with all the other games

[wobb]

I looked at the settings.ini in the modules folder (sega naomi) and the paths are like this:

PathToDemul =F:\Emulators\Sega Naomi\demul\
PathToDemul57 =F:\Emulators\Sega Naomi\demul57\
PathToMakaron =F:\Emulators\Sega Naomi\Makaron\
DemulExe =demul.exe
MakaronExe =NAOMI.exe

I guess the module or settings file will know which demul to use for certain games. (certain games run better on 57 than 56, and others run better on 56 than 57).

In C:\HyperSpin\Settings\Sega Naomi - the settings file in there is pointing to demul56.

For Makaron, in that same c:\hyperspin\settings folder you should have a file called NaomiMakaron.cfg.  If you dont, create one and paste this into it, then edit for your paths:

[exe info]
path=F:\Emulators\Sega Naomi\Makaron\
rompath=F:\Emulators\Sega Naomi\Games\
userompath=true
exe=naomi.exe
romextension=dat,zip
parameters=
searchsubfolders=
pcgame=false
winstate=HIDDEN
hyperlaunch=true

Yes - all my games for these systems are in one folder.  The zips are for the demuls and the .dat files are for Makaron. (the dat files should NOT be zipped).
Let me know how this goes for you.

[mytymaus007]

Awsome for some reason before i was reading the settings.ini file in one paragraph and i changed something and BAm I can read it just like yours Now i understand how it looks for it. Got it running 80% LOL Now im working on emu Makaron emulator I keep on getting a direct 3d error in windows7 64bit any ideas on  get this working i should be ready to go, besides the transition into opening each one in Hyperspin. HOw is yours running now! I still see the small emulator windows then it opens within 3 seconds to a full screen.

[mytymaus007]

hey wobb how is your atomiswave running on demul57 mines great except its not ppicking up the 2 loading screens inside the module!

[wobb]

Makaron opens to full screen for me as soon as I launch a game.  I *think Makaron uses directX 9.  I am also on Win7 64bit and have no direct3d errors.  Try updating your DX9: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=35

Atomiswave is running ok for me.  The games take a few extra seconds to load than normal, but no big deal.  demul56 and 57 both crash sometimes when I exit the games. 

Do you have Neo Geo CD running in hyperspin?  My games wont load in or out of hyperspin and i dont know why.

[mytymaus007]

LOL Wobb i think were running neck to neck with emulators befoe i started demul my head banging started with the cd consoles neo geo cd, saturn and turbo graphx cd. Never did get there but what the neo geo not doing. I would like to get that up and running

[wobb]

lol yep...we're both trying to set this up!  if the directions in the modules were easier to follow, we'd all be a lot better off. oh well.

did you fix that direct3d error?

ive got saturn and turbografx cd running just fine.  it's just this damn neo geo cd that's the issue and i cant figure out why.  let me know if you need help with anything

[mytymaus007]

this is the error updateing the direct x didnt work!

[mytymaus007]

OK got it NEO GEO CD Im using the neoraine v1.2.11 module I didnt have that one when i tried it last but it still didnt work with just that, then i tried extracting my .rar files and im assuming you were getting the same error for some reason the iso and bin or cue file like to be in the ROM root directory but that would be a mess plus when i got the game to load it said it was missing some audio files What ever ALL and ALL extract each .rar in each game folder. And here is what made the difference my extentions line of the setting.ini i had 6 different extentions so low and behold i figured the emulator can understand a few things at a time I only put in iso,bin,cue Let me know if it works on your side!! AS for Saturn and Turbo graphx I think i need the correct setting for Dameontools lite i dont think i have it set in the right area!! let me know your config ssettings!

[wobb]

thx myty.  my neo geo cd is set up just like that.  i have a roms folder and each game is in there, in its own folder.  i am not having trouble with hyperspin...i am having trouble getting it to work on its own.

for your direct3d error i read its a problem with the script. maybe try this:
open hyperspin\settings\settings.cfg and make sure this is there:
[HyperLaunch]
exit_script_key=~q & ~s

now open hyperlaunch.ahk, press ctrl + f to do a search.  type in exit_script_key and press Find.  you should see a line like this:
;Main Settings
IniRead, exitScriptKey, %settingsFile%, HyperLaunch, exit_script_key, ~q & ~s

do you see these 2 things and do they match?

For Daemon Tools Lite, first - make sure you set up your virtual drives, and that they are the lowest letters for all your dvd drives.  So for me, my 2 virtual drives are D and E.  My real dvd drives i renamed to X and Y.  These emulators look for the lowest letters, so its important to do that.  Also, it's a good idea to make one virtual drive that is a DT drive, and the other that is a SCSI drive.

open hyperspin\settings\settings.cfg and make sure your path to dtlite is correct.  here is mine.
path_to_daemontools=C:\Program Files (x86)\DAEMON Tools Lite\DTLite.exe

For sega saturn I am using the SSF emulator.  if you are too, then open ssf.cfg (where ssf.exe is) and make sure cddrive is the same as your virtual drive number.  you should also have a bios folder with the correct bios.  so in ssf.cfg, you should see this:

[Peripheral]
SaturnBIOS="F:\Emulators\Sega Saturn\SSF_012_beta\BIOS\Sega Saturn v1.00a (1994)(Sega)(US).bin"
STVBIOS="F:\Emulators\Sega Saturn\SSF_012_beta\BIOS\stv110.bin"
CDDrive="0"
CartridgeID="5c"
Areacode="4"
DataCartridgeEnable="0"
DataCartridge=""

Now go to hyperspin\modules\sega saturn  and open your sega saturn.ahk.   the cd drive should be the same as above and these settings should match.  here is mine:

Fullscreen = true
ShowBIOS = true
BilinearFiltering = true
vSync = true
WideScreen = false
Stretch = false
CDDrive = 0

if you have to edit any ahk's, dont foget to save, then right-click on it and select Compile.

i hope this helps.

[mytymaus007]

pretty productive day still pluging away the girlfriend thinks im losing it hahah OK wobb so far have the path for dameon tools set corectly forget about makaron for now i cant get it to work by itself. Saturn ssf loads fine when it by its self same for turbo graphx cd I think i need the correct modules at this point. This setting that you have
Fullscreen = true
ShowBIOS = true
BilinearFiltering = true
vSync = true
WideScreen = false
Stretch = false
CDDrive = 0
 I can find it any where are you putting these .ini file in the module folder like demul or are they suppose to be a line int the module itself For turbo hyperspin lauches it but it only brings me the magic engine emu screen

[wobb]

Fullscreen = true
ShowBIOS = true
BilinearFiltering = true
vSync = true
WideScreen = false
Stretch = false
CDDrive = 0

This is written in the actual module.  I am using the ssf module v1.1.  make sure you are using the right module with the right emulator. there is no settings.ini file for that module folder.

For Turbo Grafix CD you need to use daemon tools to make a SCSI drive.  youll have to reboot your pc after.  now look at the letter of your SCSI drive.  open the Turbo Grafix CD module and make sure the cd drive letter is the same as your SCSI drive.  So for example - if I right-click on the daemon tools icon down in my taskbar and go to Virtual Devices, I see that my SCSI drive is E.
when I open the module, I see this:

CDDriveLetter = E:

[mytymaus007]

Yes after 12 hours  :banghead:finally got turbografx cd to work  nice IM goin to bed start up in the morning!

[wobb]

Cool!  now tomorrow get Neo Geo CD working and tell me how you did it! 

[mytymaus007]

;-------------------------------------------------------------------------
; SNK Neo Geo CD
; NeoRaine v1.2.11
; by Brolly & djvj
; 1.2
;
; Notes:
; To use fullscreen, set the variable below to true
;-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fullscreen = true
;-------------------------------------------------------------------------

neoINI := CheckFile(emuPath . "config\raine32_sdl.cfg")
IniRead, currentFullScreen, %neoINI%, Display, fullscreen

FadeInStart()

; Setting Fullscreen setting in ini if it doesn't match what user wants above
If ( Fullscreen != "true" And currentFullScreen = 1 )
   IniWrite, 0, %neoINI%, Display, fullscreen
Else If ( Fullscreen = "true" And currentFullScreen = 0 )
   IniWrite, 1, %neoINI%, Display, fullscreen

7z(romPath, romName, romExtension, 7zExtractDir)

Run, %executable% -nogui "%romPath%%romName%%romExtension%", %emuPath%, Hide

WinWait, NeoRaine ahk_class SDL_app
WinWaitActive, NeoRaine ahk_class SDL_app

FadeInExit()

Process, WaitClose, %executable%

7zCleanUp()

FadeOutExit()

WinActivate, Hyperspin

ExitApp


CloseProcess:
   FadeOutStart()
   WinClose, NeoRaine ahk_class SDL_app
Return

[mytymaus007]

im running neoraine32 emulator go to neocd options make sure that says exit cd interface Options/directories make sure your rom path is set  extension cue,iso At first my roms were zipped but i need to unzip them but left them in there own folder try that irst let me know! Finally got makaron running but about 9 games i get an error im lookin into it now I found a diff makaron emu and it just worked not sure why!

[wobb]

i have those same setting in neoraine, but it still wont run any games.  it just blinks the  screen for a split second then closes.  I'm not worried about hyperspin right now, I just need to figure out why it wont work on its own.  This  sucks!

[mytymaus007]

do you have those long file name roms thats wht i have and they suck some i have to rename that means i have to make a new database xml because when unzip its says name is to long who would do that

[wobb]

no i dont.  and that doesnt matter. i am not trying to set this up in hyperspin.  i'm trying to get it working on its own first.