The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: kaneda on November 12, 2013, 09:13:41 pm
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It's not quite finished yet, but the guys at Dream Home Arcades have done a stellar job brining my vision to life. Just need to fix a minor paint hiccup, and it will be done soon. The base, sides and back will all be the Capcom Z-Back red, since this pedestal has a z-pattern to it. The CPO was designed by me to pay homage to the classic SF:II CE bezel and the kick plate is of course the marquee. What do you guys think? Can't wait to share photos when it's all done.
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Like the art.
You are going to catch hell for angled joysticks and 6 buttons for P3 and P4
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Looks sweet! But, yeah, why 6 buttons for players 3 & 4?
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Like the art.
You are going to catch hell for angled joysticks and 6 buttons for P3 and P4
Disapproving glances, maybe? But catch Hell? Naw.
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Like the art.
You are going to catch hell for angled joysticks and 6 buttons for P3 and P4
Disapproving glances, maybe? But catch Hell? Naw.
it looks like a spacious ugly dinner table
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Like the art.
You are going to catch hell for angled joysticks and 6 buttons for P3 and P4
Disapproving glances, maybe? But catch Hell? Naw.
Jusy trying to insulate the gentleman from the inevitable aircraft carrier zinger. After all he did put thay monitor in, he might get the impression we're all insufferable ---meecrobs---.
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Looks awesome...man you guys are harsh.
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Yeah, I like it. I would have only gone 4 buttons max on the extra players and maybe added a 4/8 way joystick so that the additional joystick didn't need to be place (assuming that is a 4 way joystick). But overall I like it. The colors and graphics really bring me back to my middle school days.
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We need to come up with a meme pic that can be posted every time someone angles their joysticks.
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The arts nostalgically gaudy (most orig arcade cabs are gaudy), but very nicely composed.
But the controls are going to be hell to play.
1) The spacing on the buttons is insane. Unless you & your buddies can easily grasp a basketball, covering 1/2 its diameter with one hand... I think you will find it very difficult to execute multi-button spans... such as pressing the top 3 buttons all at once.
The original game had the buttons spaced very tight. About 2mm distance.
2) 4-way? Is too close to the 1p stick. Your elbows gona rub into it, and be quite uncomfortable. Plus, its Very deep into the CP... meaning, you will have to extend and lean.. which will cause strain and fatigue quickly.
3) Diagonal Mounted 3 & 4 player sticks. Bad idea. When people play, they will think Up is vertical on the stick - towards the monitor.. and end up going / jumping diagonal. This isnt like a console hand-held (Hands locked In place on the handles) cross-dpad gamepad, where you can tell what direction is what.. by mere feel. Theres nothing on the smooth surface to feel.. and theres no indication of orientation, when moving the stick around.
4) Trackball - Too close to p2 stick, if used for gaming. Plenty are going to experience painful collisions into it.
5) Cant play Smash TV or Dual Stick / Tanks games on it, with the sticks rotated.
6) No spinners
I don't understand how a company can allow others to do something like this, without any warnings. Maybe they just get extra income from making new control panel tops, a few weeks later, ... after the Ops realize their design flaws?
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We need to come up with a meme pic that can be posted every time someone angles their joysticks.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5514/10831547336_58584a5008_o.jpg)
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Xiaou2, looking at Slagcoin, the button spacing looks about right for the US SF2 layout.
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Definitely pays homage to SF:II CE, good work on the art, really ties it together (whether it is gaudy or not is up for debate, but the same can be said of the original, so :dunno ). Don't really see an issue with the button spacing, but the 4-way stick probably will annoy you, but it's done now, so no point beating you up over it. For the few times you play any 4 player games on it, I am sure your guests can deal with the angled sticks, don't lose any sleep over that one either. Also, giant CP's attached to a cab bug me, but for some reason, on pedestals they don't (I think its because they are usually housed under 32"-50" monitors and the scale looks proportional).
Looks like you put a lot of work into it and it shows, so take all the comments as valid criticisms for future builds, but I guarantee none of your friends will point any of them out, only the arcade connoisseurs of BYOAC. So get the boys over and start fighting :cheers: .
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Is it designed for short people or children?
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Is it designed for short people or children?
I think that is just the angle of the shot. If you look above the SFTCE logo you can see a slight bit of an angle starting.
My question is why are there so many people ripping on him. I think the build is really quite nice. Sure there are a couple flaws but most people's build will have flaws unless they are a professional.
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My question is why are there so many people ripping on him.
I think Im the only one who "ripped" on him. I can offer up a ton of constructive criticism ; but the thing is already built. Its WAY too big, pretty sure its at least as big as the 6 player Xmen control panel. The angled sticks, 6 buttons for players 3 and 4, poor track ball placement, dedicated 4 way stick out in the middle of no where , laughable trackball button placement.... you would think that since he isnt building the thing himself (this is Buy Your Own Arcade Controls forum isnt it?) that the builder would at least offer suggestions to improve the ergonomics of his dinner table. The worst part? This guy is probably dropping like $800 on this ......thing.
As for the height, its supposed to be like a Z back cab, so its taller than it looks.
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My question is why are there so many people ripping on him.
I think Im the only one who "ripped" on him. I can offer up a ton of constructive criticism ; but the thing is already built. Its WAY too big, pretty sure its at least as big as the 6 player Xmen control panel. The angled sticks, 6 buttons for players 3 and 4, poor track ball placement, dedicated 4 way stick out in the middle of no where , laughable trackball button placement.... you would think that since he isnt building the thing himself (this is Buy Your Own Arcade Controls forum isnt it?) that the builder would at least offer suggestions to improve the ergonomics of his dinner table. The worst part? This guy is probably dropping like $800 on this ......thing.
As for the height, its supposed to be like a Z back cab, so its taller than it looks.
+1. Whoever built it should have advised him of this obvious stuff before it was built. If he chose to continue with it, then that's on him.
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I like the artwork.
I'd be proud of it if it were mine, except for the angled sticks. ;D
Most new people probably don't even know what is meant by angled sticks.
(It's not that the player stands at an angle or the buttons are at an angle)
In regards to button spacing, I played a genuine NEO GEO cab last week and couldn't believe how bad the button spacing sucked.
That thought never crossed my mind when playing it as a teenager.
Sometimes we remember things as better than they really were.
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Hey guys,
Thanks for all the feedback. I hear most of your issues and most don't bother me. The main problem with his build since day one is the builder hasn't communicated anything to me. I designed the artwork, the layout, and they just started building without any communication or suggestions. Super annoying if you're me. The main point of this machine is to play 2person fighting games, which this will be fine for. The second point was to just be an awesome piece of art that pays homage to SF:II CE. I understand the 3-4 player joysticks will be hard to get used to, but I'm sure we'll get used to it. BUt yeah, do I wish they would have said at that angle, gameplay will be tough, yes...Did they, no. And $800? I'm paying way more than that. So yeah, I'm sort of taking a bath on this thing.
Question, is the angled joystick something you eventually get used to, or will it just suck playing on, always?
I'm beyond the point of being annoyed with my builder, and just going to say, it is what it is and enjoy it. I'm sure everyone who comes over to play will have a blast. Angled joysticks or not.
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if you're paying more than 800 then you are getting hosed. You should have just bought a dynamo cab for street fighter and a TMNT/XMEN/Simpsons/NBAJam/etc for 4 players, would have cost you less.
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File a "not as described" chargeback if you made the mistake of paying up front. ;D
Not sweat on players 3 & 4, you'll never have more than one player on that thing.
Personally, I like it.
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Question, is the angled joystick something you eventually get used to, or will it just suck playing on, always?
It's just not how the original machines were made. Even though it doesn't look intuitive, when people who haven't played before start staring at the screen and moving the stick, they push toward the front of the CP for up no matter what angle they're standing at.
There are people on here who have built CPs with angled joysticks and claim they're fine with them.
There are others who regret doing them that way, but I don't remember anyone redoing their CP over it.
People will probably screw up the first minute of play, then adjust to it.
EDIT: tried to warn you: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135309.msg1397344.html#msg1397344 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135309.msg1397344.html#msg1397344)
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No sir I didnt like it. :o :dizzy:
http://youtu.be/8JNuqEz_GCQ (http://youtu.be/8JNuqEz_GCQ)
To bad there is not a Qbert or Congo Bongo battle royale / head to head for players 3 & 4 joysticks. Then they might get used. ::) ;D
WOW, for more than $800, it better have a 24kt gold plated beer keg in the base, with a hottie bar wench on call 24/7. To pour me a fresh cold one.
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My question is why are there so many people ripping on him.
Criticism isn't ripping on someone. This isn't 1st grade. We don't need to boost confidences.
If I say I wouldn't angle the side joysticks, it's because of all the experimentation, experiences, and feedback over the years that say it's not optimal. It's not personal.
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Badmouth's link shows that sound advice was offered in the planning phase but ignored. I mean, it is what it is.
Not sweat on players 3 & 4, you'll never have more than one player on that thing.
Sad but true. :laugh2:
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BTW, Kaneda, if you enjoy it, that's all that matters. But the topic of this thread is "What do you think of my custom Street Fighter II: CE MAME Pedestal?" so I hope you value honest opinions.
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Over $800?!?
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+1 for yotsuya's words of wisdom & truth ;D
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Build quality and artwork look good. I'd charge more than $800 to build it....of course I wouldn't have angled the joysticks.
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Nope, i cant say i like it.
The whole thing is monstrous, button spacings are killing me (reminds me of the hack-job conversions of every cab that got turned into an SF2). Those are not the original layout spacings. Go take a look at a Dynamo cab's CP, you'll see they are closer than what you have there. Either slagcoin has it wrong, or your guys done messed up.
The angled joys are going annoy people during gameplay, believe me, i made that rookie mistake on my
El Mechanico Diablo (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,90216.msg947231.html#msg947231) cab, and i still get heat from people that play it now, and i completed that cab years ago. So, no, people don't get used to it.
But hey, its your cab. If you like it, then mission accomplished.
Its just not my taste.
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Nope, i cant say i like it.
The whole thing is monstrous, button spacings are killing me (reminds me of the hack-job conversions of every cab that got turned into an SF2). Those are not the original layout spacings. Go take a look at a Dynamo cab's CP, you'll see they are closer than what you have there. Either slagcoin has it wrong, or your guys done messed up.
The angled joys are going annoy people during gameplay, believe me, i made that rookie mistake on my
El Mechanico Diablo (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,90216.msg947231.html#msg947231) cab, and i still get heat from people that play it now, and i completed that cab years ago. So, no, people don't get used to it.
But hey, its your cab. If you like it, then mission accomplished.
Its just not my taste.
You really think a few CM in button spacing is going to make / break playing street fighter? I mean, come on now. The amount of nit picking and whining about this and that is so annoying. I get I asked to see what you guys thought, but man, like this thing will work just fine for 99% of gamers out there....you act like people will walk in and say, "OH NO, LOOK AT THAT BUTTON SPACING!!!" Or "Why is the joystick angled? I'm not playing!!!! WAAA WAAA"
I guess it's just the way some of you have commented that annoys me. Like you act as if this is some horrendous mistake that will make this pedestal un-playable and unenjoyable. Bunch of babies some of you are.
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I get I asked to see what you guys thought, but man, like this thing will work just fine for 99% of gamers out there....you act like people will walk in and say, "OH NO, LOOK AT THAT BUTTON SPACING!!!" Or "Why is the joystick angled? I'm not playing!!!! WAAA WAAA"
I guess it's just the way some of you have commented that annoys me. Like you act as if this is some horrendous mistake that will make this pedestal un-playable and unenjoyable. Bunch of babies some of you are.
Right. So then you really don't care what we think of your custom Street Fighter II: CE MAME Pedestal. You're pretty thin-skinned for a New Yorker.
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I get I asked to see what you guys thought, but man, like this thing will work just fine for 99% of gamers out there....you act like people will walk in and say, "OH NO, LOOK AT THAT BUTTON SPACING!!!" Or "Why is the joystick angled? I'm not playing!!!! WAAA WAAA"
I guess it's just the way some of you have commented that annoys me. Like you act as if this is some horrendous mistake that will make this pedestal un-playable and unenjoyable. Bunch of babies some of you are.
Right. So then you really don't care what we think of your custom Street Fighter II: CE MAME Pedestal. You're pretty thin-skinned for a New Yorker.
I thought people would find the pedestal to be more cool and fun, not whine about button placement. I mean seriously. But again, this is a forum that's the 1% of gamers out there. So enjoy measuring the button placement while the rest of us enjoy playing the games.
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You asked, and I told you. I don't like it because it's big, the button spacings are too separated, and the angled joysticks are going to be troublesome to play.
Simple as that.
99% of gamers will not be comfortable playing that, I can guarantee it.
Maybe more like 25%, 35 tops. :)
The whole concept of functionality of an arcade machine is the intuitive connection between controls and gameplay. For the highest performance of play, you really need to have solid controls.
I mean, what you have is fine, if you're looking for a cabinet that you casually sample games here and there. But if it were me, if I was paying $800+ for this beast, I'd be damn sure the control layout was perfect for high performance play.
Now if you are just looking for a pat on the back, fine I can do that. I'm just one to call a spade a spade.
"But if you like it that's all that matters. Nice job." <pat pat pat>
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Now if you are just looking for a pat on the back, fine I can do that. I'm just one to call a spade a spade.
"But if you like it that's all that matters. Nice job." <pat pat pat>
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I thought people would find the pedestal to be more cool and fun, not whine about button placement. I mean seriously. But again, this is a forum that's the 1% of gamers out there. So enjoy measuring the button placement while the rest of us enjoy playing the games.
So then what did you expect? Would you go to a custom woodworkers forum and ask them what birdhouse you should buy at Wal-Mart?
Oh, and none of us are whining about button placement. You're the one stuck with it. This is BYOAC, we roll our own.
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Basically this thread and the other thread should have been "What do you think? It's great right? Tell me 'it's great'."
I mean, as Badmouth pointed out, you were given constructive criticism that you said "nah, it's going to ruin the theme" and rolled with it. That's fine. But it's a little weird to be somehow expecting a different reaction showing us the final result.
However - as Yotsuya said, it's yours and if you like how it turned out and you're playing the games fine without issue then enjoy it. And as PBJ mentioned, players 3 & 4 won't even get all that much action compared with the main controls.
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Xiaou2, looking at Slagcoin, the button spacing looks about right for the US SF2 layout.
Actually, slagcoin does state this:
"This is the American Street Fighter layout given by Capcom USA. It has some strange wide-spacing and does not suit the structure of the human hand. I do not advocated squared layouts like this one and others. You can feel some of these even layouts for yourself and assess the level of awkwardness from bending some fingers more than others."
But like I said, on a dynamo cab, this isn't the case. They aren't as spaced out as what's on Slagcoin. And dynamo's were the most popular SF2 cabinets.
I'm looking at the CP right now as I'm typing... :)
Kaneda, you really are getting a rough ride here, probably due to your unwillingness to listen to some of the good advice members are giving you. Or, at least, your reactions to it.
This is just like that monitor thread you started. You initially thumbed your nose at all the good advice, then eventually got over yourself and listened, and how did it turn out? You were able to accomplish the monitor swap yourself! Didn't that turn out well?
Listen to some of the veterans here, we're not just saying this ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for sake of it. Some of us genuinely want to see top quality projects created and put out into the world.
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At least you have the player two joystick straight. In my pedestal, I have player 2 and player 3 at a slight angle. I wish I read this forum before doing it, it would have helped me in the design. Even at a slight angle, it affects how you have to play. The nice thing is that it gives me a slight edge, when playing street fighter with a friend, since I use the stick that's not angled.
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Here's a question- from the intial picture, it looks like players 3 + 4 aren't actually standing against the angled side, but rather on the corners of each angle. Was that intentional? Because if they stand against the angled side, then angled sticks are really out of whack. If they stand parallel to the controls, then they have the corner sticking them in the gut. Just curious.
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Here's a question- from the intial picture, it looks like players 3 + 4 aren't actually standing against the angled side, but rather on the corners of each angle. Was that intentional? Because if they stand against the angled side, then angled sticks are really out of whack. If they stand parallel to the controls, then they have the corner sticking them in the gut. Just curious.
It was intentional. Was the only way I could detect if you have a penis or not. Guessing the corner will just be hitting air. Any other questions?
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:lol :applaud:
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Here's a question- from the intial picture, it looks like players 3 + 4 aren't actually standing against the angled side, but rather on the corners of each angle. Was that intentional? Because if they stand against the angled side, then angled sticks are really out of whack. If they stand parallel to the controls, then they have the corner sticking them in the gut. Just curious.
It was intentional. Was the only way I could detect if you have a penis or not. Guessing the corner will just be hitting air. Any other questions?
Yep. Thin-skinned. You've taken over the reins from Sandheaver as the biggest ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?--- on this forum. And she was a woman.
You obviously didn't take anything into consideration when you designed this thing. It was purely OMG LOOKAT MY ARCADE ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---!!!!1!. And you succeeded there.
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I don't like the it. I think you could do better at a high school wood shop or community college. You could make it yourself there with some night classes.
I would ask for a refund if I was you, in this day and age $800 is a lot of money.
But you are from NY so I guess it is lunch money.
I would see myself getting back ache. If you are committed please buy some bar stools for your extra players.
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You're right...I totally failed to consider a right way to make a control panel. Everything is wrong. How will I ever play a game on this thing!??!?!??! Seriously, get a life. This was designed primarily for 1vs1 Street Fighter matches. Maybe you didn't notice the Street Fighter art. Player 3 Player 4 angles? Um. Yeah, maybe a bit of an after thought...but angled joysticks aren't the end of the world, like many on here believe them to be.
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What were you once told on KLOV?
Oh, yeah...
You're the worst kind of troll... the kind who doesn't even seem to have a clue enough to realize YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.
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You're right...I totally failed to consider a right way to make a control panel. Everything is wrong. How will I ever play a game on this thing!??!?!??! Seriously, get a life. This was designed primarily for 1vs1 Street Fighter matches. Maybe you didn't notice the Street Fighter art. Player 3 Player 4 angles? Um. Yeah, maybe a bit of an after thought...but angled joysticks aren't the end of the world, like many on here believe them to be.
Right, but do you want something stellar, or do you want something "good enough"? That's what we're trying to point out here. Even my question about the placement of 3 + 4 is a legitimate one. Listen, and stop getting defensive. You're the one that put your fingers in your ears and started going blah blah BLAH.
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I don't like the it. I think you could do better at a high school wood shop or community college. You could make it yourself there with some night classes.
I would ask for a refund if I was you, in this day and age $800 is a lot of money.
But you are from NY so I guess it is lunch money.
I would see myself getting back ache. If you are committed please buy some bar stools for your extra players.
Bar stools already ready. And come on, $800 is worth less today than 10 years ago. You guys who 'build' your stuff don't realize the time/value of money proposition. For the amount of time it would take me to learn / build something like this, I could make $10,000 at work. Make sense now?
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For the amount of time it would take me to learn / build something like this, I could make $10,000 at work. Make sense now?
Makes sense. It'd take you 1040 hours.
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It doesn't make sense. You didn't explore your options and spent way too much.
You came HERE expecting us to somehow love it. We've learned from our mistakes and see them glaringly all over this unit. You will learn....maybe. Just listen to us. We've been down this road.
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For the amount of time it would take me to learn / build something like this, I could make $10,000 at work. Make sense now?
Makes sense. It'd take you 1040 hours.
>:D :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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Heh, the guys at KLOV also agree with most of what we said here too!
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=2608555&posted=1#post2608555 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=2608555&posted=1#post2608555)
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The point is, yes it has a few flaws. As for the 6 button rectangular positioning some of us are used to that. I grew up in the arcades and never had a problem playing games on that button layout... I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Ok...well...look I appreciate all of the feedback / concerns / insights / insults / and input. You guys are right. I should have investigated more before diving in head first. But I did. Sure, I'm mad at myself for not gathering the right intel before handing funds over. I've been burned on more than just this MAME cabinet, trust me. So maybe I'm searching for some silver lining in all of this. I don't think the pedestal will play poorly, especially for Street Fighter. And hey, I just trusted the builder to make it right, which they clearly didn't.
Would be awesome if some of you guys opened up shop and sold products the right way. Because trust me, there aren't many people offering expert builds at the retail level. And yes, I wish I could build this stuff from scratch and I wish I had the room and the know - how...I know it's not that hard...but I just don't have the time.
Let's all hug it out. I'll suffer the slings and arrows of my angled joystick machine. I'll develop the blisters trying to reach the Street Fighter buttons...and hopefully, it will be good enough to play hours and hours of games.
I'll share pictures of the final build when it arrives. And if anyone in the NYC area wants to swing by, feel free. But I got Guile.
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Look at it this way bro, at least you didn't ruin a classic Williams cab by strapping an aircraft carrier made from 2x4s that was painted as if it were coated in black nail polish. Or make something with so many admin buttons it lioks like Darth Vaders chest plate. It could be much worse.
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\me hugs it out, ---smurfette---.
I don't particularly enjoy conflict, nor do I like to criticize other's projects, but you specifically asked "What do you think of my custom Street Fighter II: CE MAME Pedestal?" I take that as an open invitation for honest feedback. No one is going to do you a service by simply kissing your ass.
I don't think your project is a total loss. I don't think your casual buddies will notice at first glace. But don't be surprised if someone complains about control in TMNT or Simpsons once you start playing. That's what we're trying to accomplish - to prepare you for that.
Other than the joysticks and angling, I have no other issues with it. Again, if it makes you happy, that's all that matters. :cheers:
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\me hugs it out, ---smurfette---.
I don't particularly enjoy conflict, nor do I like to criticize other's projects, but you specifically asked "What do you think of my custom Street Fighter II: CE MAME Pedestal?" I take that as an open invitation for honest feedback. No one is going to do you a service by simply kissing your ass.
I don't think your project is a total loss. I don't think your casual buddies will notice at first glace. But don't be surprised if someone complains about control in TMNT or Simpsons once you start playing. That's what we're trying to accomplish.
Other than the joysticks and angling, I have no other issues with it. Again, if it makes you happy, that's all that matters. :cheers:
I get it...man, just wish my builder would have said, "you may want to re-consider these angles." But I'm a nice guy (really) and when my friends are over, i'll jump on one of the 3-4 player spots. I do appreciate your feedback. You guys are just looking out for the final product and want it to be done right. I was just acting like a ---smurfette---. My bad.
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I'm surprised the vendor didn't offer anything up about it, either. You figure they'd get some questions about it.
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You don't need to be completely DIY.
There are guys here that have CNC services they offer, for put-it-together kits (with some nice laminate options too). It would have at least got you out of needing to cut any wood, just assemble and go. Wiring is easy. Art is easy to apply, harder to create (but with that theme, it's a no-brainer arrangement of existing art, so it wouldn't be too bad).
The only big hurdle, IMO, would be setting up the software...which is really just time involved. Plus people here would help you, as we have in the past.
I personally have stopped trying to do any wood-work in my small apartment. That's why I tend to restore/renovate existing cabinets, rather than build one from scratch. Plus the hippy side of me feels better for being greener. I have neither the space or skills to bother with a scratch-build.
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You've caught a lot of flak, but take comfort that your build could have been so, so much worse: http://mame-cabinet-archive.koenigs.dk/mameshame.htm (http://mame-cabinet-archive.koenigs.dk/mameshame.htm)
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Ok...well...look I appreciate all of the feedback / concerns / insights / insults / and input. You guys are right. I should have investigated more before diving in head first. But I did. Sure, I'm mad at myself for not gathering the right intel before handing funds over. I've been burned on more than just this MAME cabinet, trust me. So maybe I'm searching for some silver lining in all of this. I don't think the pedestal will play poorly, especially for Street Fighter. And hey, I just trusted the builder to make it right, which they clearly didn't.
Would be awesome if some of you guys opened up shop and sold products the right way. Because trust me, there aren't many people offering expert builds at the retail level. And yes, I wish I could build this stuff from scratch and I wish I had the room and the know - how...I know it's not that hard...but I just don't have the time.
Let's all hug it out. I'll suffer the slings and arrows of my angled joystick machine. I'll develop the blisters trying to reach the Street Fighter buttons...and hopefully, it will be good enough to play hours and hours of games.
I'll share pictures of the final build when it arrives. And if anyone in the NYC area wants to swing by, feel free. But I got Guile.
Man... if it's not to your liking, have them fix it. You're the one who has to live with it and use it. Don't settle. If it's too late to have them fix it, ask them how much it would cost to make a new top. The build is over and the hardware is already paid for. Even if it cost another $100, you're already in for quite a bit now, what's a little more for something that you dig 100%? Take a little time and plan how you want things mapped out.
edit - If you've got Guile, I've got Sagat.
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Man... if it's not to your liking, have them fix it. You're the one who has to live with it and use it. Don't settle. If it's too late to have them fix it, ask them how much it would cost to make a new top. The build is over and the hardware is already paid for. Even if it cost another $100, you're already in for quite a bit now, what a little more for something that you dig 100%? Take a little time and plan out how you want things mapped out.
This is great advice. I'd look into it if I were you.
I know you said you're a nice guy, but don't be a pushover! It's your hard-earned cash, get them to make it right! Especially if it's their reputation on the line.
I just took a glance at their website:
http://www.dreamhomearcades.com/oursystems.aspx?gallery_cmd=load&gallery_index=00000007 (http://www.dreamhomearcades.com/oursystems.aspx?gallery_cmd=load&gallery_index=00000007)
Looks like the angled joys is their staple. eeeeeeks! If anything, we should be sending this feedback to them directly, rather than putting it on you.
Send them this thread and the thread on KLOV. :)
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I agree with Louis. Ask them to recut it. Even if it costs you a bit more, it will save you a lot in the long run. And I'd seriously look at those corners and the position of players 3 + 4.
Oh, and to show you I'm not talking out ---my bottom--- about angled sticks, I did test the angled theory a while back IRL and saw that indeed, it was true (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,118037.msg1255118.html#msg1255118).
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All aboard
(http://i.imgur.com/BPFs8sk.jpg)
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Too late, bro. We've hugged it out.
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I thought people would find the pedestal to be more cool and fun
Not always in this place :dizzy:
Do yourself a favour, call over your buddies, plug it in, have a great time and never read this post again. Constructive criticism has turned into needless hate, once again. I actually didn't see any issue with your monitor post either, but, ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, you took it on the chin with that post too. I have seen people on this forum inherit ready to go MAME cabs, glass, coin doors, the works and no matter what they paid ($100), they still get the "you got ripped dude :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:".
Brush this thread off and move on, thick skinned or not, it has turned into another ridiculous thread in a long line of ridiculous threads...
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Constructive criticism has turned into needless hate, once again.
Yet it takes two to tango....
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How many forums do y'all live on exactly?
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All 'a dems. :D
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How many forums do y'all live on exactly?
I've got 3 primaries, and a couple other vacationers...
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Oh, and to show you I'm not talking out ---my bottom--- about angled sticks, I did test the angled theory a while back IRL and saw that indeed, it was true (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,118037.msg1255118.html#msg1255118).
Nice, I didn't see that thread before. Good field testing yots!
Would have helped me with El Mechanico.
**actually, I just re-read my old thread, and it originally had straight 3P and 4P joysticks.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90051.0;attach=119305)
Compared to this:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90051.0;attach=127054)
I remember thinking, that edge on the CP should line up with the controls. But as soon as I had it operational, that was the first thing people told me they didn't like about it. Later, I found that people weren't playing the 4-player games as much because of it.
Oh well, that project is done and gone. Lesson learned.
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Oh, and to show you I'm not talking out ---my bottom--- about angled sticks, I did test the angled theory a while back IRL and saw that indeed, it was true (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,118037.msg1255118.html#msg1255118).
Nice, I didn't see that thread before. Good field testing yots!
Would have helped me with El Mechanico.
**actually, I just re-read my old thread, and it originally had straight 3P and 4P joysticks.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90051.0;attach=119305)
Compared to this:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90051.0;attach=127054)
I remember thinking, that edge on the CP should line up with the controls. But as soon as I had it operational, that was the first thing people told me they didn't like about it. Later, I found that people weren't playing the 4-player games as much because of it.
Oh well, that project is done and gone. Lesson learned.
Exactly what happened to me. I think I can re-position the switches underneath the joysticks so that "UP" will be towards the screen.
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Believe me, I've already had it out with these guys a number of times over mistakes. I'm just concerned that things are too far along to say "do it again"...
I asked for the joysticks angled, but now that I think about it, that's only because almost all of their pedestal joysticks are angled. I just went off of their examples when designing mine. From what you guys are saying, they never should be suggesting angled joysticks in the first place.
Look, I want it to be right, but here's my dilemma...they made what I asked for, even if it wasn't the ideal layout, they built it. Do I wish they would have stepped up and provided the kind of insight you guys have, yes...but from the looks of their other builds, they don't care...they build a lot with angled layouts.
The button spacing isn't a big deal or game breaker...I'll hardly notice that (i think).
So here's the point I am at...do I pull the plug on my build? Even though it's like 95% done. Do I ask them to make changes (which honestly at this point I don't think is an option since I've already made so many changes)...Or do I live with it, knowing it's not perfect but for what I want it for, will get the job done.
Also, if I were able to pull the plug, could anyone on here build something like this? Or How's this for a solution...could someone on here make me a new CPO with all of the parts of this one? I really just don't want to deal with these guys anymore. Their customer service is just the worst.
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Here's what you do- go though with the build, take delivery. Try it. It could be that you and your buddies love the machine, it's not an issue, and you never have to give it another thought. :cheers:
If you don't like it, work with Macattack, ebarlow, Rick, or HaRuMaN (all guys here who make CNC-cut products) on getting a new one CNC'd to your specs. These guys are players as well as builders and would probably be happy to work with you. I know from personal experience that HaRuMaN has helped make a 4 player control panel. I'm sure the other guys can do it, too.
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Here's what you do- go though with the build, take delivery. Try it. It could be that you and your buddies love the machine, it's not an issue, and you never have to give it another thought. :cheers:
If you don't like it, work with Macattack, ebarlow, Rick, or HaRuMaN (all guys here who make CNC-cut products) on getting a new one CNC'd to your specs. These guys are players as well as builders and would probably be happy to work with you. I know from personal experience that HaRuMaN has helped make a 4 player control panel. I'm sure the other guys can do it, too.
This is great advice. Thanks. Also makes me feel better, so thanks for that too. Man, this has been a rough thread. But well appreciated. I'll post pictures when it arrives and give my impression of how it plays.
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The answer to all your questions:
HaRuMaN
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Well, I think I know what that button layout site did...
I believe they scanned a Streetfighter button template, and thought that the circles represented the outside diameter of the buttons. Instead, the circles represent the exact diameter of the hole-saw needed to drill into the CP, for the button to fit.
The buttons outside edge LIP rest well beyond that circle template diameter... and so in the end... each buttons outside diameter lip, will be about 2mm away from each other... rather than a half inch. >.<
I believe you should have then rework out CP... especially considering the playability issues. Its not easy to play a game with angles sticks. Even the best gamers would have difficulty in controlling a game like that.
As for the sheer size of the pedestal... that doesnt phase me. Thats mere cosmetic opinion. You will have more elbow room, which is always a good thing... especially if your friends are not rail thin 8yr olds.
Playability issues are key though. Unlike Mellonheadko, I dont say these things to insult. These are just factual design characteristics, proven over years of development and play testing, in the Arcades. The very few examples where these logical expressions were ignored & negated.. caused a lot of earnings problems. Factory idiocy was usually 'fixed' by Ops as the end result.
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Unlike Mellonheadko, I dont say these things to insult.
Judges?
points for originality, slight deduction for it being such a stretch.
I enjoy the fact I literally agree with you point for point on a topic and you still wanna be on the other side of the debate :cheers:
FYI, Malenko is Russian slang for small package (the wrestling move) so Im "implying" I have a tiny penis. Dunno if the nick requires editing to be more insulting. Thanks for not making it Xuushy though, and curses to Saint for making Xiaou2 get changed to your nick via language filter. But its brilliant too.
Ive thought of some better ones, feel free to use em : Ma-stanko, Malenk-hoe, even the OBVIOUS FEMALEnko (FEMalenko).
to OP, I may not have ran an arcade for 77 hours a week , 53 weeks a year for 6 years but I know you should ask the "builders" to redo the top. Id start with you redoing to the art to reflect a better layout. Also, I didnt say what I said how I said to insult you. He likes to imply ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- like that , if you read what I posted, I never insulted you. The pedetable is over sized, and you are paying too much. I dont see how thats insulting
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Enjoy, and a belated welcome to the forum! :cheers:
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I don't know what to do. I can't send them this thread and be like, "HERE, SEE!"
Now something's wrong with the art? What's wrong with the art? It's lifted right from the SF II Bezel design.
Will the buttons being far apart effect game play? I get there's a little more space between buttons, but hitting all three at once, will that be problematic?
Could someone write me a concise and professional assessment of what's wrong with this control panel? Something I could forward on to them? I would really appreciate it. Because you guys are right, if things are really wrong and problematic and going to make gameplay not fun, I'm not sure it makes sense to pay what I'm paying.
So bummed out these issues happened. I'm not as concerned about the 45 angle as the buttons. I got this primarily to play street fighter and if that's going to play awkward now, I need to know. What do you guys think?
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Maybe show them this:
(http://www.arcade-museum.com/images/118/1181242173119.jpg)
The buttons here clearly almost touch.
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Now something's wrong with the art? What's wrong with the art? It's lifted right from the SF II Bezel design.
If you move the buttons and sticks for the outside players, it isnt going to line up with your art, thats all I meant.
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Just tell them the button spacing is too far apart, and you want it to be closer to the original Capcom style.
Then also tell them that the angled joysticks for P3 and P4 are not going to work, they might need to re-position the buttons for them too.
That's all. It shouldn't be too hard for them to re-drill. Especially if they are a "business", they probably have access to a CNC anyways.
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Look at it this way bro, at least you didn't ruin a classic Williams cab by strapping an aircraft carrier made from 2x4s that was painted as if it were coated in black nail polish. Or make something with so many admin buttons it lioks like Darth Vaders chest plate. It could be much worse.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I can't stand it when people destroy an original cabinet for MAME/HS
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I don't know what to do. I can't send them this thread and be like, "HERE, SEE!"
Now something's wrong with the art? What's wrong with the art? It's lifted right from the SF II Bezel design.
Will the buttons being far apart effect game play? I get there's a little more space between buttons, but hitting all three at once, will that be problematic?
Could someone write me a concise and professional assessment of what's wrong with this control panel? Something I could forward on to them? I would really appreciate it. Because you guys are right, if things are really wrong and problematic and going to make gameplay not fun, I'm not sure it makes sense to pay what I'm paying.
So bummed out these issues happened. I'm not as concerned about the 45 angle as the buttons. I got this primarily to play street fighter and if that's going to play awkward now, I need to know. What do you guys think?
I dont think you really are bummed. You have had a couple of post's from, Do ya like my carpet tiles? Hey here's my Pede of SF, to can someone for $300 change my monitor. Now you are asking someone to write you letter. Pass the buck huh? phun intended......
You said they never contacted you on stuff to go forward on it, for furter designs. What kind of deal was that? umm red flags...
It really seams like ego stroking & getting some one else to do your business, for free of throwing money at them.
But you are not worried about the joy's being angled, just the buttons????
This just seems to be more of blowing smoke up the cornhole.
So dont try to say again some people are acting like babies like before.
Once again you asked what do you think.
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I don't know what to do. I can't send them this thread and be like, "HERE, SEE!"
Now something's wrong with the art? What's wrong with the art? It's lifted right from the SF II Bezel design.
Will the buttons being far apart effect game play? I get there's a little more space between buttons, but hitting all three at once, will that be problematic?
Could someone write me a concise and professional assessment of what's wrong with this control panel? Something I could forward on to them? I would really appreciate it. Because you guys are right, if things are really wrong and problematic and going to make gameplay not fun, I'm not sure it makes sense to pay what I'm paying.
So bummed out these issues happened. I'm not as concerned about the 45 angle as the buttons. I got this primarily to play street fighter and if that's going to play awkward now, I need to know. What do you guys think?
I dont think you really are bummed. You have had a couple of post's from, Do ya like my carpet tiles? Hey here's my Pede of SF, to can someone for $300 change my monitor. Now you are asking someone to write you letter. Pass the buck huh? phun intended......
You said they never contacted you on stuff to go forward on it, for furter designs. What kind of deal was that? umm red flags...
It really seams like ego stroking & getting some one else to do your business, for free of throwing money at them.
But you are not worried about the joy's being angled, just the buttons????
This just seems to be more of blowing smoke up the cornhole.
So dont try to say again some people are acting like babies like before.
Once again you asked what do you think.
Quit being a idiot troll. We covered that already in previous pages.
He wants an opinion - we gave it to him. He knows it already.
I swear to God you always act like this for no good reason. Get a life! :angry:
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Quit being a idiot troll. We covered that already in previous pages.
He wants an opinion - we gave it to him. He knows it already.
I swear to God you always act like this for no good reason. Get a life! :angry:
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WOW sparky, that is some funny ass ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Show me where I have acting like that before or always????? I had posted some opinions --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- you even posted. Not like you matter..... :lol :lol :lol
Ya Haze stalker you.
not like you deserved a reply for that.....but stroke your nonsense too....
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Quit being a idiot troll. We covered that already in previous pages.
He wants an opinion - we gave it to him. He knows it already.
I swear to God you always act like this for no good reason. Get a life! :angry:
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WOW sparky, that is some funny ass ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Show me where I have acting like that before or always????? I had posted some opinions --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- you even posted. Not like you matter..... :lol :lol :lol
Ya Haze stalker you.
not like you deserved a reply for that.....but stroke your nonsense too....
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Apologies are in order:
I'm sorry you are an idiot troll.
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The more things change, the more they stay the same ...
Bragging on aircraft carrier. Check.
Angled sticks. Check.
Strange button spacing. Check.
Assorted folks poking fun. Check.
Assorted folks saying "don't be mean". Check.
"It isn't worth my time do it, or any research, because I has teh greatz job, unlike you looserz". Check.
Xiaou being a critical ass ("I worked in an arcade, yo") and saying that everybody else is mean. Check.
Ark hating everything and everybody. Check.
Whoa ... wait ... pbj is back!?!?!?
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Whoa ... wait ... pbj is back!?!?!?
Check.
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I was waiting for you to check in, Cheffo. Where you been? :cheers:
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Been busy heading Rob Ford's strategic planning team.
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Remind him not to angle his crack pipe.
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Builder told me my buttons were 1.5" spaced apart center to center. If that's the case, it should play fine. If they are closer to 2" then I will say something / open a Pay Pal dispute against him. I emailed him this morning asking him to confirm. We'll see.
I'm just over this whole thing. You guys have sucked the fun out of this thing for me. Thank you.
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Builder told me my buttons were 1.5" spaced apart center to center.
The pictures appear to show a much bigger distance than 1.5".
If they are closer to 2" then I will say something / open a Pay Pal dispute against him.
Everyone get your popcorn ready!
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"You guys ruined all my funz by telling me what U really think." Check.
/me blames saint. He really should put up a big flashing graphic that says "DANGER: Read some threads before asking for input!" Really, this happens every time, all the time and shouldn't come as a surprise. Yet it always seems to.
:dunno
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It's too bad he never got injured loading MDF. That's one check mark we're missing.... ;D
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"You guys ruined all my funz by telling me what U really think." Check.
/me blames saint. He really should put up a big flashing graphic that says "DANGER: Read some threads before asking for input!" Really, this happens every time, all the time and shouldn't come as a surprise. Yet it always seems to.
:dunno
It really is Saint's fault. He angled the P3 and P4 joysticks in the last edition of his book.
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Ok...just talked to guy...it hasn't shipped. He's going to measure center to center and send me photos. Time to place your bets. Whoever is closest gets $10. Seriously, I will send you the money via Pay Pal. I will add, that he said they might be a little over 1.5"...GRRRRREAT.. This story just gets better and better.
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The more things change, the more they stay the same ...
Bragging on aircraft carrier. Check.
Angled sticks. Check.
Strange button spacing. Check.
Assorted folks poking fun. Check.
Assorted folks saying "don't be mean". Check.
"It isn't worth my time do it, or any research, because I has teh greatz job, unlike you looserz". Check.
Xiaou being a critical ass ("I worked in an arcade, yo") and saying that everybody else is mean. Check.
Ark hating everything and everybody. Check.
Whoa ... wait ... pbj is back!?!?!?
Cheffo being Cheffo. Check
I thought you had sulked off to KLOV never to return. :)
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I'm just over this whole thing. You guys have sucked the fun out of this thing for me. Thank you.
You should have taken BadMouth's advice when he offered it during your CP planning stages. No one is trying to intentionally ruin your fun. Seriously. We're trying to be constructive with the criticism. We're not KLOV.
Having said that, if your "fun" hinges on what a bunch of people who you have never met and probably will never meet think of your project, you need to re-examine why you would post a thread titled, "What do you think of my custom Street Fighter II: CE MAME Pedestal?"
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File a "not as ordered" chargeback now. If he ships it anyway, refuse delivery. You're screwed once you sign for it.
They'll work with you once you threaten the funds. 900% profit is almost as good as 1200%.
(My guess - 1.95" from center to center of buttons on player 1 and 2)
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(My guess - 1.95" from center to center of buttons on player 1 and 2)
Just eyeballing it, I was going to say a bit more than 1 3/4, so I'll go 1 7/8?
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Here's what they gave me.
Just measured and your buttons are 1.625" C-C apart (1 5/8)
I had then hold shipment. Can someone. Measure this out and share a photo of how your hands rest on it. Does it feel comfortable? Thanks. In a 3 hour meeting and want to get this guy feedback ASAP. Appreciate your help.
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I just found out that some things have changed: KLOV got him to flame out faster than BYOAC. Hmm.
FWIW, I have spacing of 1.75" on my NAOMI showcase and those buttons look quite a bit closer together than shown on kaneda's panel.
:oldman
EDIT: Typo
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And guys, what's the center to center distance I should tell them the buttons should be apart? For optimal SF play.
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Just measured and your buttons are 1.625" C-C apart (1 5/8)
Funny thing is that according to a couple pieces of artwork that turned up after a quick internet search, that's what the spacing is.
Nobody complained about this layout and it appears to be around that spacing: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134816.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134816.0.html)
Can someone with a straight 6 layout on a dynamo cab measure?
Maybe they're using undersized buttons. ;D
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You'll be fine. Just make sure they patch that big hole in the middle.
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And guys, what's the center to center distance I should tell them the buttons should be apart? For optimal SF play.
Get some cardboard, and cut-out a prototype. This is the best way for you to figure out what is most comfortable for hours of play. It'll take 20 mins of your time. I like to do these things while taking a dump. Time saved there.
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This is the best I got for the Dynamo, but if you look they are 1.75". At least to me but I have bad eyes, no joke.
(http://i.imgur.com/BYvaxim.jpg)
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And guys, what's the center to center distance I should tell them the buttons should be apart? For optimal SF play.
Get some cardboard, and cut-out a prototype. This is the best way for you to figure out what is most comfortable for hours of play. It'll take 20 mins of your time. I like to do these things while taking a dump. Time saved there.
This is just getting funny...everyone cries my buttons are too far apart. So I pause build Guy agrees to re-do it. He tells me they are 1.65" apart...then I ask for the proper spacing and people are sending my images with 1.75" apart. That's wider than the size everyone is saying is incorrect. If anyone could help here, much appreciated.
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And guys, what's the center to center distance I should tell them the buttons should be apart? For optimal SF play.
Take a piece of paper and drop some dots on 1 5/8" or whatever they told you apart and see if it works for you. Modify accordingly. That is what is optimal, whatever works best FOR YOU. That's the beauty of custom.
Hell, Andre the Giant would have probably had buttons 3" apart, and everyone here would have tore him a new one over it, but hey, its would have worked for him.
Also, your bat tops are matte instead of glossy from the pics of the originals, so that will probably affect playability :o
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I'd tell him to put a ruler/tape measure up to what he has and send YOU the photo. Maybe it's just my eyes, but yours look closer to 2" than what shows up there.
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I made mine 1 1/2" horizontally and 1 3/8" vertically spaced and it's pretty comfy. Honestly 1 3/8" all around would be nice imo. I don't think they can get much closer than that without the nuts rubbing together. >:D
http://i.imgur.com/QmcgK.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/QmcgK.jpg)
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The buttons should touch. That's why they have such a wide bezel around them.
:banghead:
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This is just getting funny...everyone cries my buttons are too far apart. So I pause build Guy agrees to re-do it. He tells me they are 1.65" apart...then I ask for the proper spacing and people are sending my images with 1.75" apart. That's wider than the size everyone is saying is incorrect. If anyone could help here, much appreciated.
The laziness and defiance you show is becoming painful to watch.
I know, I know ... you are busy meeting with high-powered executives from major brands (which you drive to in your Shelby) and the rest of us aren't. :whap
Maybe your Google is broken.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135635.0;attach=300340;image)
The CP that you show above as an example has 1.5" spacing for buttons. 1.5" was pretty standard. The panel on my big blue uses 1.5" (in the standard SF 6 layout).
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135635.0;attach=300134;image)
BTW, looking at the picture of your panel, any two buttons end-to-end measured from one side to the other looks wider than the diameter of your trackball hole. Spacing at 1.75" would bring that distance in at under 3". I'm betting that trackball hole is 3.25". I really doubt your guy used 1 5/8". By which I mean "he didn't".
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This is just getting funny...everyone cries my buttons are too far apart. So I pause build Guy agrees to re-do it. He tells me they are 1.65" apart...then I ask for the proper spacing and people are sending my images with 1.75" apart. That's wider than the size everyone is saying is incorrect. If anyone could help here, much appreciated.
The laziness and defiance you show is becoming painful to watch.
I know, I know ... you are busy meeting with high-powered executives from major brands (which you drive to in your Shelby) and the rest of us aren't. :whap
Maybe your Google is broken.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135635.0;attach=300340;image)
The CP that you show above as an example has 1.5" spacing for buttons. 1.5" was pretty standard. The panel on my big blue uses 1.5" (in the standard SF 6 layout).
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135635.0;attach=300134;image)
BTW, looking at the picture of your panel, any two buttons end-to-end looks wider than the diameter of your trackball hole. Spacing at 1.75" would bring that distance in at under 3". I'm betting that trackball hole is 3.25". I really doubt your guy used 1 5/8". By which I mean "he didn't".
Thanks. I went to Chinatown Fair arcade tonight to measure, and SF buttons are between 1 3/8 and 1 7/16. There's no way mine are 1 5/8 just based upon the spacing between the buttons. They must be closer to 2". Real easy to slide a ruler a 1/4 to get what you're looking for. Plus I asked him to take a photo of the ruler with the buttons. Never got that, just got his numbers with no visual proof.
I'm going to go 1 3/8 all around...both horizontally and vertically. Any objections to that?
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Fixed it.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135635.0;attach=300344;image)
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Fixed it.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=135635.0;attach=300344;image)
The picture is funny in it's own right, but what made me laugh harder, is envisioning a grown man sitting at his computer desk photoshopping a bunch of jolly rods on poor kaneda's pedestal.
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End of the day Friday at work + boredom = what you see above :D
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Nice thing about that is you can now play 4 player Robotron. >:D
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End of the day Friday at work + boredom = what you see above :D
What is the optimal spacing for P4 buttons 8,9,10a,10b, and 15c?
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Where's my $10?
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Where's my $10?
Where's my $20?
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the builder is going to make the following changes on the control panel:
1. Move buttons closer together - Capcom says 1.5" Center to Center, but I asked to get the as close as we can to the lips touching.
2. Rotate the 3-4 player joystick so that up is up. Rotate to the joystick art to match
3. Lose the 4-way joystick. I have a 60-1 Ms Pac and a dedicated Donkey Kong machine, so most of the 4-way games i'd play are covered. Also is there a 8-way / 4-way switchable joystick I should ask for?
Sorry again for all the threads and drama. Spending a lot on this thing and when you guys chimed in right away with what was wrong with it, I sort of freaked out. But man did I learn a lot. Better force them to make it right than to take delivery and just "live with it".
The deciding factor was yesterday when I visited Chinatown Fair Arcade. They had a NEO GEO. My buttons were spaced out even more than that and that button layout was really annoying. Always stretching to reach the 3rd button. Have a great weekend guys...
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the builder is going to make the following changes on the control panel:
1. Move buttons closer together - Capcom says 1.5" Center to Center, but I asked to get the as close as we can to the lips touching.
2. Rotate the 3-4 player joystick so that up is up. Rotate to the joystick art to match
3. Lose the 4-way joystick. I have a 60-1 Ms Pac and a dedicated Donkey Kong machine, so most of the 4-way games i'd play are covered. Also is there a 8-way / 4-way switchable joystick I should ask for?
Sorry again for all the threads and drama. Spending a lot on this thing and when you guys chimed in right away with what was wrong with it, I sort of freaked out. But man did I learn a lot. Better force them to make it right than to take delivery and just "live with it".
The deciding factor was yesterday when I visited Chinatown Fair Arcade. They had a NEO GEO. My buttons were spaced out even more than that and that button layout was really annoying. Always stretching to reach the 3rd button. Have a great weekend guys...
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Good call :applaud:. Hopefully you understand that people are only pointing out these things so that you will be happier with the end product. Might as well take the advice of everyone that has already messed up their own.
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http://www.ultimarc.com/controls.html (http://www.ultimarc.com/controls.html)
Magstick plus can be switch from the top by lifting and turning. They have a short throw tho, so be warned. Im thinking about getting rid of mine. I play more fighters then anything. Hitting the corners is hard sometimes.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 2
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I wouldn't even worry about a 4 way stick on this machine. I would think that it's purpose is to play games in a party environment. That's why you have the trackball and four player stations, correct?
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Sorry again for all the threads and drama. Spending a lot on this thing and when you guys chimed in right away with what was wrong with it, I sort of freaked out. But man did I learn a lot. Better force them to make it right than to take delivery and just "live with it".
Well you managed to quickly get your post count up at least. ::)
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Well you managed to quickly get your post count up at least. ::)
Like you and your weight. My $20 challenge was pretty simple, and you failed it.
CHEERS
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Finally an update. So thanks to everyone on here, I asked Dream Home Arcades to take another stab at my Street Fighter II Mame Pedestal. The big issues we addressed were:
1. Button Spacing: had them move them closer...now they are truly 1.5" center to center. As you'll see from the before and after photos, I think this will be much better and make gameplay enjoyable, with no strain.
2. Joysticks: Moved them all closer to the buttons like Capcom had them. And most importantly, players 3-4 are NO LONGER ANGLED. Up on joystick is up on the screen. Would never have known to ask for this without you guys, but it makes sense.
3. 4-Way Joystick: Just got rid of it all together. It was in no man's land, disrupted the art, and I have a 60-1 Ms Pac Man for most of my 4-way games anyway, plus a dedicated Donkey Kong and Fix it Felix.
4. Added black player select boxes like Capcom had "1 PLAYER, 2 PLAYERS, etc.
I kept the track ball where it's at. It's going to be black, not white. Also kept 6 buttons for players 3-4, sorry guys, just like the look even if it's extra, do nothing buttons.
Lastly, I just want to say thank you so much for the insight and advice. I was SO CLOSE to just having them ship the first build and living with it. It's a hard pill to swallow, but I literally knew nothing about how to direct them with this build. Now I know, thanks to everyone on here. Please, share your comments and thoughts...I'll pass along more photos as they send them to me.
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Just imagine a black track ball.
picture of side joysticks and side by side comparison with old.
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Happy everything worked out for you. Enjoy!
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Happy everything worked out for you. Enjoy!
Thanks man. Now let's just hope this monster fits through the doorway. That's my next concern :)
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It will fit through your door... Just pull out a jigsaw.
Seriously I had to do that with my old cab. It ticked me off that I moved into such a small place.
Anyway that thing should fit in any apartment or home with a little finess.
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It will fit through your door... Just pull out a jigsaw.
Seriously I had to do that with my old cab. It ticked me off that I moved into such a small place.
Anyway that thing should fit in any apartment or home with a little finess.
I should be able to "turn it through" the door. My doorway is like 29"...this thing looks HUGE.
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Dust washer on top WTF!!?!?!??!
just kidding. It looks better, and I bet it plays a ton better too.
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Dust washer on top WTF!!?!?!??!
just kidding. It looks better, and I bet it plays a ton better too.
thanks. i'm sure it will be fine.
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You really think a few CM in button spacing is going to make / break playing street fighter? I mean, come on now. The amount of nit picking and whining about this and that is so annoying. I get I asked to see what you guys thought, but man, like this thing will work just fine for 99% of gamers out there....you act like people will walk in and say, "OH NO, LOOK AT THAT BUTTON SPACING!!!" Or "Why is the joystick angled? I'm not playing!!!! WAAA WAAA"
I guess it's just the way some of you have commented that annoys me. Like you act as if this is some horrendous mistake that will make this pedestal un-playable and unenjoyable. Bunch of babies some of you are.
What happened to that guy? >:D
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You really think a few CM in button spacing is going to make / break playing street fighter? I mean, come on now. The amount of nit picking and whining about this and that is so annoying. I get I asked to see what you guys thought, but man, like this thing will work just fine for 99% of gamers out there....you act like people will walk in and say, "OH NO, LOOK AT THAT BUTTON SPACING!!!" Or "Why is the joystick angled? I'm not playing!!!! WAAA WAAA"
I guess it's just the way some of you have commented that annoys me. Like you act as if this is some horrendous mistake that will make this pedestal un-playable and unenjoyable. Bunch of babies some of you are.
What happened to that guy? >:D
I was in denial. :angel:
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Damn, dude, it looked fine before. You REALLY had them redo that control panel? Yeesh.
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James is pulling your chain. Glad you're happy with the changes.
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Damn, dude, it looked fine before. You REALLY had them redo that control panel? Yeesh.
For the prices they are charging him - he ought to get what he wants on it and I don't think they are gonna mind redoing the CP as long as they still get the sale - besides they'll just resell the other CP to the next person that doesn't know what to ask for !
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Damn, dude, it looked fine before. You REALLY had them redo that control panel? Yeesh.
For the prices they are charging him - he ought to get what he wants on it and I don't think they are gonna mind redoing the CP as long as they still get the sale - besides they'll just resell the other CP to the next person that doesn't know what to ask for !
Oh, the second I told them I wanted it re-done and the issues I had with it, they threw up my pedestal on eBay right away. I doubt it sold, but maybe it did. I sort of feel bad if some unsuspecting person bought this...
It wasn't the most cheerful redo for both parties involved. Clearly they were annoyed with me. But man, even with this final build, they never really did what I asked (send an example before anything was drilled). They did have me final approve the art, but that's like cart before the horse, because you want to have the buttons spaced out first, then design the art around that. I was never able to do that.
But the 1.5" spacing is good and works just fine for SF. My original spacing was much closer to 2"...photos show that.
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tell me you arent paying them 3 grand.
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tell me you arent paying them 3 grand.
Then I will remain silent :)
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tell me you arent paying them 3 grand.
It's $500 for the pedestal, $300 for the pc, and $2200 for "thousands of arcade games".
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tell me you arent paying them 3 grand.
It's $500 for the pedestal, $300 for the pc, and $2200 for "thousands of arcade games".
You can't look at a build without factoring in more than that. How about hours to build? How about artwork cost? How about artwork design?
Now on top of that, this guy is running a business, so he needs to turn a profit.
So how many hours would you estimate it would take to build this? From getting the wood. Cutting it. Going to home depot to get special paint, painting it with 8 coats...on and on.
These guys don't just slap these things together....that's all I'm saying.
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I'd suggest you get it into your hands before you start praising their build quality. Just saying.
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tell me you arent paying them 3 grand.
It's $500 for the pedestal, $300 for the pc, and $2200 for "thousands of arcade games".
You can't look at a build without factoring in more than that. How about hours to build? How about artwork cost? How about artwork design?
Now on top of that, this guy is running a business, so he needs to turn a profit.
So how many hours would you estimate it would take to build this? From getting the wood. Cutting it. Going to home depot to get special paint, painting it with 8 coats...on and on.
These guys don't just slap these things together....that's all I'm saying.
I was lowballin' you man!
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Well, they really didn't design the artwork.
And they didn't know about proper spacing or joystick orientation.
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Gentlemen, as Kaneda received enough grief from us about the layout, I propose we lay off on the price. Yes, we're all
cheap sons o' bitches DIYers, so naturally the price seems high, but it's his build. I'm curious to get his comments once he receives it. Thanks!
(http://20px.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/unicorn_pooping_a_rainbow_20px.jpg)
Image courtesy of HaRuMaN
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Meh, he stiffed me on my $10 so he might as well be dead to me now.
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Meh, he stiffed me on my $10 so he might as well be dead to me now.
For guessing the button spacing? :laugh2:
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Well that looks one hell of a lot better. Glad to see you finally getting what the forum recommended. I won't comment on the price. If you can afford it and you're happy then that is all that really matters.
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Meh, he stiffed me on my $10 so he might as well be dead to me now.
PM me your email and I'll get that to you today. I need your love in my life man!
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Meh, he stiffed me on my $10 so he might as well be dead to me now.
PM me your email and I'll get that to you today. I need your love in my life man!
Got cash ready....still waiting on that email for paypal...pal...come on....
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As has been posted thousands of times across many venues, my e-mail eternally remains pinballjim at hotmail dot com
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As has been posted thousands of times across many venues, my e-mail eternally remains pinballjim at hotmail dot com
Paid....
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Eventually, that screenshot will be Exhibit A somewhere down the road, watch. >:D
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OMG!!!! After all these hours back and forth with Dream Home Arcades. After hearing from the BYOAC community countless times about how Angled Joysticks would ruin my life, relationship and career. After paying PBJ $10 for properly guessing the ludicrous button spacing. After all of this lengthy scrutiny over my air craft carrier pedestal, it seems the damn thing WASN'T BIG ENOUGH!!!! Because all of you, and me, missed a mistake that will make gameplay impossible. An error so large, nobody will want to hop on now. How did all of us miss this? I should make those Dream Home ---daisies--- re-do the entire control panel for a third time and pay them in peanuts. LOOK AT THIS!!!!
Player 3's directional art is saying forward is to the left!?!?!?!? NOOOOOO! Even with the joysticks pointed in the right direction now, people are probably going to look at this and just FOLLOW THE WORDS and run into the wall. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
LOL...I just had to laugh at this little error. After all of the hours starring at this thing, nobody, including myself saw this. Course, just goes to show how ---smurfing--- lackluster the designer at Dream Home Arcades is...But it's no big deal and having owned a SF II cabinet in my house, nobody even looks at this ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Plus they got the Player 1 and Player 2 directions right, so that's all that matter. Just thought you'd guys get a kick out of this, see and, and APOLOGIZE TO ME FOR TOTALLY ---smurfing--- UP MY BUILD!!!!!!!!
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IF you look back over the other threads you'd notice you were warned about the directional art on the CP -- SO it's not our fault you didn't verify it on the final spec !!!! One relevant post is quoted below :
There is multiple ways of angling those sticks back to face the screen with-out destroying the CP top.
Thing you are forgetting is that the artwork also lists the movements for those directions on the joys so the artwork needs to be rotated also not just the joys - so to do it you're gonna need to redo the artwork not just move the joystick orientation !!
That said it is an easy fix - get a copy of the circle artwork and either go to Office Depot or local print shop and have them print a copy of that black circle on back adhesive vinyl - cut the circle out and apply over the top of the existing art (sure it will add an extra layer of art around the circle but should barely be noticeable ( Could also do the same for all four joys so it looks the same on all joysticks) -- Might even be able to get them to print four copies of that for you and send so you could apply if you contact them about the mistake !
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:laugh2:
burn
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if anything the ---uvulas--- that made it should have fixed that. I thought the redid the art when they redid the panel (because ya know, that makes sense).
Also agree with the fixed stated above, easy peasy.
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IF you look back over the other threads you'd notice you were warned about the directional art on the CP -- SO it's not our fault you didn't verify it on the final spec !!!! One relevant post is quoted below :
There is multiple ways of angling those sticks back to face the screen with-out destroying the CP top.
Thing you are forgetting is that the artwork also lists the movements for those directions on the joys so the artwork needs to be rotated also not just the joys - so to do it you're gonna need to redo the artwork not just move the joystick orientation !!
That said it is an easy fix - get a copy of the circle artwork and either go to Office Depot or local print shop and have them print a copy of that black circle on back adhesive vinyl - cut the circle out and apply over the top of the existing art (sure it will add an extra layer of art around the circle but should barely be noticeable ( Could also do the same for all four joys so it looks the same on all joysticks) -- Might even be able to get them to print four copies of that for you and send so you could apply if you contact them about the mistake !
Are you serious...the thread about moving the artwork, was to rotate the it with the joystick, which is what they did. But the "words" were in the wrong place from the very beginning. Just never paid attention to it.
I don't know, I think I'd rather live with it than have a layered sticker over that area, or all 4 areas. Just another "head scratching moment" from Dream Home Arcades. Their tagline should be - Everything But a Dream.
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I don't know, I think I'd rather live with it than have a layered sticker over that area, or all 4 areas. Just another "head scratching moment" from Dream Home Arcades. Their tagline should be - Everything But a Dream.
Technically a nightmare is a dream.
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OMG!!!! After all these hours back and forth with Dream Home Arcades. After hearing from the BYOAC community countless times about how Angled Joysticks would ruin my life, relationship and career. After paying PBJ $10 for properly guessing the ludicrous button spacing. After all of this lengthy scrutiny over my air craft carrier pedestal, it seems the damn thing WASN'T BIG ENOUGH!!!! Because all of you, and me, missed a mistake that will make gameplay impossible. An error so large, nobody will want to hop on now. How did all of us miss this? I should make those Dream Home ---daisies--- re-do the entire control panel for a third time and pay them in peanuts. LOOK AT THIS!!!!
Player 4's directional art is saying forward is to the left!?!?!?!? NOOOOOO! Even with the joysticks pointed in the right direction now, people are probably going to look at this and just FOLLOW THE WORDS and run into the wall. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
LOL...I just had to laugh at this little error. After all of the hours starring at this thing, nobody, including myself saw this. Course, just goes to show how ---smurfing--- lackluster the designer at Dream Home Arcades is...But it's no big deal and having owned a SF II cabinet in my house, nobody even looks at this ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Plus they got the Player 1 and Player 2 directions right, so that's all that matter. Just thought you'd guys get a kick out of this, see and, and APOLOGIZE TO ME FOR TOTALLY ---smurfing--- UP MY BUILD!!!!!!!!
Technically, they did it right.
On a Street Fighter Layout, P1's forward faces right, P2's forward faces left, because your fighting each other. P3 should mimic P1, and P4 should mimic P2.
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Are you serious...the thread about moving the artwork, was to rotate the it with the joystick, which is what they did. But the "words" were in the wrong place from the very beginning. Just never paid attention to it.
I don't know, I think I'd rather live with it than have a layered sticker over that area, or all 4 areas. Just another "head scratching moment" from Dream Home Arcades. Their tagline should be - Everything But a Dream.
Just know the directional placement was mentioned but we are also looking at pretty small pics of the panel not the full size artwork - but the person that designed the panel should have noticed prior to it going to print (though he may never even play the systems so wouldn't know what to look for !) - If you have them print the copies and cut them out using a template to place over the circle to get a clean edge it wouldn't even be noticeable once applied (and definitely less noticeable than just leaving it with the wrong directions) But that's your call and as you say most people don't even really look at those during game play.
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OMG!!!! After all these hours back and forth with Dream Home Arcades. After hearing from the BYOAC community countless times about how Angled Joysticks would ruin my life, relationship and career. After paying PBJ $10 for properly guessing the ludicrous button spacing. After all of this lengthy scrutiny over my air craft carrier pedestal, it seems the damn thing WASN'T BIG ENOUGH!!!! Because all of you, and me, missed a mistake that will make gameplay impossible. An error so large, nobody will want to hop on now. How did all of us miss this? I should make those Dream Home ---daisies--- re-do the entire control panel for a third time and pay them in peanuts. LOOK AT THIS!!!!
Player 4's directional art is saying forward is to the left!?!?!?!? NOOOOOO! Even with the joysticks pointed in the right direction now, people are probably going to look at this and just FOLLOW THE WORDS and run into the wall. OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
LOL...I just had to laugh at this little error. After all of the hours starring at this thing, nobody, including myself saw this. Course, just goes to show how ---smurfing--- lackluster the designer at Dream Home Arcades is...But it's no big deal and having owned a SF II cabinet in my house, nobody even looks at this ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. Plus they got the Player 1 and Player 2 directions right, so that's all that matter. Just thought you'd guys get a kick out of this, see and, and APOLOGIZE TO ME FOR TOTALLY ---smurfing--- UP MY BUILD!!!!!!!!
Technically, they did it right.
On a Street Fighter Layout, P1's forward faces right, P2's forward faces left, because your fighting each other. P3 should mimic P1, and P4 should mimic P2.
It's Player 3 they messed up, not player 4. So yeah. BOOM! It's no big deal. From what everyone says, it's so hard to get 3-4 players over anyway. :)
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That said it is an easy fix - get a copy of the circle artwork and either go to Office Depot or local print shop and have them print a copy of that black circle on back adhesive vinyl - cut the circle out and apply over the top of the existing art (sure it will add an extra layer of art around the circle but should barely be noticeable ( Could also do the same for all four joys so it looks the same on all joysticks) -- Might even be able to get them to print four copies of that for you and send so you could apply if you contact them about the mistake !
^^ This.
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I'll just have the ULTRA RARE custom Variant with MISTAKE FROM FACTORY, ONE OF A KIND, 3rd Player art mistake!!!! Maybe then it will be worth what I'm paying for it. I'm going to live with it. No big deal. Just though I'd share and let everyone get one last laugh at this entire build.
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It's not the build we're laughing at.
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It's Player 3 they messed up, not player 4. So yeah. BOOM! It's no big deal. From what everyone says, it's so hard to get 3-4 players over anyway. :)
Your image mentions that P4 is wrong, which is the far left. Thought that was strange. :dizzy: Oh well.
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It's not the build we're laughing at.
You son of a ---smurfette---...I paid for your ongoing support! Give it to me now!
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It's not the build we're laughing at.
You son of a ---smurfette---...I paid for your ongoing support! Give it to me now!
I own you.
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It's not the build we're laughing at.
You son of a ---smurfette---...I paid for your ongoing support! Give it to me now!
I own you.
I love you.
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We all quit both of you.
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We all quit both of you.
Give it to me!
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Funny thing is, P3 and P4 will never be used for Street Fighter ever anyway. :cheers:
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Is this now a one of a kind ?? Treat it like a battle wound something to tell the grand kids about
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Got some final photos for you guys...looks good...much better then the first time around. Buttons spaced right and joysticks not angled. Thanks again ---smurfs---!
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ships this morning. should arrive in 4-5 days.
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We await talking you through the half dozen issues you'll have setting up this "plug and play" cab. :lol
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I kinda hope it gets lost or broken in transit so he can collect the insurance and not be stuck with that ---smurfin--- thing.
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I kinda hope it gets lost or broken in transit so he can collect the insurance and not be stuck with that ---smurfin--- thing.
What a terrible thing to wish for during this holiday season my friend. So does this mean you won't be coming over to play?
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What a terrible thing to wish for during this holiday season my friend. So does this mean you won't be coming over to play?
My income is too low to be your friend :( Ironically, I will be in New York City next weekend though.
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I kinda hope it gets lost or broken in transit so he can collect the insurance and not be stuck with that ---smurfin--- thing.
What a terrible thing to wish for during this holiday season my friend. So does this mean you won't be coming over to play?
I have a feeling if he lived close enough to you to come over and play you wouldn't have had to spend this kind of money on a build !!
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What a terrible thing to wish for during this holiday season my friend. So does this mean you won't be coming over to play?
My income is too low to be your friend :( Ironically, I will be in New York City next weekend though.
Seriously, swing by and play some games. Got a DK, PunchOut, Tron and 60-1 MS Pac.
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I think it looks like something you get on ebay for $2000.00. ::)
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T-molding doesn't cover the plexi's edge. Better have them redo it.
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T-molding is really scuffed up, too. Looks like they pulled something off an old machine and reused it.
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ships this morning. should arrive in 4-5 days.
It takes it that long to sail to your house?
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$800??????? I can have one hell of a party in Amsterdam for that.
We really need an FAQ for beginners man.
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We really need an FAQ for beginners man.
Sounds like a volunteer statement to contribute your thoughts and suggestions here (http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?title=FAQ).
Would you like a wiki login? ;D
Scott
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I am actually thinking of making a pedestal for my control panel and would like to know what measurements anyone has on a pedestal like this?
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I am actually thinking of making a pedestal for my control panel and would like to know what measurements anyone has on a pedestal like this?
Huge x Too Big x Laughable.
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I am just talking about the pedestal part, I have already built my control panel
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I am just talking about the pedestal part, I have already built my control panel
It looks like the pedestal you have is already an appropriate size. Can't wait to hear the incoming chatter about those P3/P4 joystick orientations.
On a serious note, You may want to PM kaneda, I'm sure he has something with the sizes, or can get you in touch with his vendor. I'm sure they're pretty cheap.
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I am just talking about the pedestal part, I have already built my control panel
It looks like the pedestal you have is already an appropriate size. Can't wait to hear the incoming chatter about those P3/P4 joystick orientations.
On a serious note, You may want to PM kaneda, I'm sure he has something with the sizes, or can get you in touch with his vendor. I'm sure they're pretty cheap.
---fudgesicle--- that noise. I'm sick of that discussion. People, angle them, invert them, put 8 buttons on P3/P4 in case you want to play xBox games on it, put six flightsticks on your control panels. Smoke a few bowls, whatever makes you happy.
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I am just talking about the pedestal part, I have already built my control panel
It looks like the pedestal you have is already an appropriate size. Can't wait to hear the incoming chatter about those P3/P4 joystick orientations.
On a serious note, You may want to PM kaneda, I'm sure he has something with the sizes, or can get you in touch with his vendor. I'm sure they're pretty cheap.
Unfortunately the Pedestal I have already, is my Dining room table, LOL. And the Wife is none too happy about me using it as my arcade pedestal.
I'll PM Kaneda
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Unfortunately the Pedestal I have already, is my Dining room table, LOL. And the Wife is none too happy about me using it as my arcade pedestal.
I'll PM Kaneda
Its up to you to find the comfortable height. As for the width; To keep it stable as stable as possible, the narrowest width Id make it would be where the angle is for the outter players. Your CP art of the SFII SNES box art is weird, but to be honest, I like it.
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I am just talking about the pedestal part, I have already built my control panel
Can't wait to hear the incoming chatter about those P3/P4 joystick orientations.
We get tired of harping on it after a while and need a break.
During that time I'll just post short comments like this and leave it up to the builder to seek out the rants:
So when I was a kid, Street Fighter II champion edition was my favorite game ever......
Search the main forum for "angled joysticks" and do some reading.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135309.msg1397344.html#msg1397344 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135309.msg1397344.html#msg1397344)
As is evident, that doesn't seem to work.
We must remain vigilant. 8)
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We must remain vigilant. 8)
I've decided that unless someone specifically posts, "What do you think of my build?" (like Kaneda did), then I ain't sayin' ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about 4 player builds. You're right, BM, it's tired and hashed out and if people don't want to do the research or don't care, ---fudgesicle--- it. It's their time, money, and build. I'm not going to be playing on it anyway.
But if they ask, and it's during the PLANNING phase, then I'll pipe up. If it's already built, see previous paragraph. I'm looking to provide feedback, not validation.
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We must remain vigilant. 8)
I've decided that unless someone specifically posts, "What do you think of my build?" (like Kaneda did), then I ain't sayin' ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about 4 player builds. You're right, BM, it's tired and hashed out and if people don't want to do the research or don't care, ---fudgesicle--- it. It's their time, money, and build. I'm not going to be playing on it anyway.
But if they ask, and it's during the PLANNING phase, then I'll pipe up. If it's already built, see previous paragraph. I'm looking to provide feedback, not validation.
So what do you think of my build? My pedestal should arrive on Friday...I'll have photos and measurements then...finally.
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So what do you think of my build?
It's already been built. Thanks for playing. Drive safely. >:D
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Technically, it's not your build...
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i agree..
the angled sticks are outta whack.
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@kaneda: How tall is this pedestal of yours? It looks unusually short in the pictures, but I suppose that could be an illusion. My Street Fighter II machine (Dynamo HS-1 cabinet) is about 3 feet from the floor to the lowest part of the control panel, and the control panel angles up from there (as all Dynamo "cut-corner" control panels do), so the controls are an inch or two higher than 3 feet.
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So this is what I started with. Mapped out the wall with the specs for the pedestal and the 55" Sony LCD TV.
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Then I finally got to hang all of these vintage marquees I bought like 4 months ago. Super cool way to frame the space around the TV and MAME.
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Then the Sony 55" TV was hung by the Geek Squad with soundbar...
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Then it arrived....8:45am in the morning. Woke up to the buzzer.
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More....
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more....
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Without this forum stepping in, this build would have had some major mistakes. The ANGLED joysticks would have been the worst possible mistake. When playing 4 player games, Up on the joystick needs to be UP on the screen. When you actual play a game and are standing at the pedestal at player 3 or 4, it's clear why angled would suck.
Also, the button placement is perfect. Thanks again guys for helping out with this.
What I don't get is why people are calling my pedestal BIG and Huge. There's hardly that much shoulder room as it is. Any smaller would have the players dick and ass together. When it arrived, I was actually very surprised by the compact nature of it.
It's awesome. Can't believe I have like 25,000 games in my bedroom right now. Amazing.
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my dog likes it.
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Woof! I actually like your setup too. I can now see the appeal for pedestal cabinets.
Love the wall of marquees. :applaud:
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Woof! I actually like your setup too. I can now see the appeal for pedestal cabinets.
Love the wall of marquees. :applaud:
Thanks! Pedestal's are awesome for a few reasons. They take up so much less room. Allow you to move it around the room easily. I can't move my arcade cabinets much. They also just look so nice...you get the best of the cabinet look/feel with lots of color and artwork, but you don't have to lug a 300 pound unit around.
Also, I was shocked, but gameplay on it is so nice. Moves come out nicely and scrolling between games is such a cinch.
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Woof! I actually like your setup too. I can now see the appeal for pedestal cabinets.
Love the wall of marquees. :applaud:
Thanks! Pedestal's are awesome for a few reasons. They take up so much less room. Allow you to move it around the room easily. I can't move my arcade cabinets much. They also just look so nice...you get the best of the cabinet look/feel with lots of color and artwork, but you don't have to lug a 300 pound unit around.
Also, I was shocked, but gameplay on it is so nice. Moves come out nicely and scrolling between games is such a cinch.
Not to be nit-picky, but I can put two games in the same space as your 55" screen. Plus, I rarely, if ever, move my cabs around.
Having said that, I'm happy you're happy with it.
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Woof! I actually like your setup too. I can now see the appeal for pedestal cabinets.
Love the wall of marquees. :applaud:
Thanks! Pedestal's are awesome for a few reasons. They take up so much less room. Allow you to move it around the room easily. I can't move my arcade cabinets much. They also just look so nice...you get the best of the cabinet look/feel with lots of color and artwork, but you don't have to lug a 300 pound unit around.
Also, I was shocked, but gameplay on it is so nice. Moves come out nicely and scrolling between games is such a cinch.
Not to be nit-picky, but I can put two games in the same space as your 55" screen. Plus, I rarely, if ever, move my cabs around.
Having said that, I'm happy you're happy with it.
People, I watch TV and Movies too in my gameroom. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
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It's not. I was counter-pointing your "Pedestal's are awesome for a few reasons" comment.
Again, I'm happy you're happy with it.
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It's awesome. Can't believe I have like 25,000 games in my bedroom right now. Amazing.
...In your bedroom? ???
I'd have a tough time explaining that one to the ladies.
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It's awesome. Can't believe I have like 25,000 games in my bedroom right now. Amazing.
...In your bedroom? ???
I'd have a tough time explaining that one to the ladies.
I live with my Fiance in her apartment, and decided to turn my old apartment into a man cave.
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It's awesome. Can't believe I have like 25,000 games in my bedroom right now. Amazing.
...In your bedroom? ???
I'd have a tough time explaining that one to the ladies.
I live with my Fiance in her apartment, and decided to turn my old apartment into a man cave.
So you pay rent, for space used solely as a man cave... Nope, that's not weird at all.
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Then the Sony 55" TV was hung by the Geek Squad with soundbar...
Wow, do you pay everyone to do everything? For $50 an hour I'll come over and play the games for you :dizzy:
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Without this forum stepping in, this build would have had some major mistakes. The ANGLED joysticks would have been the worst possible mistake. When playing 4 player games, Up on the joystick needs to be UP on the screen. When you actual play a game and are standing at the pedestal at player 3 or 4, it's clear why angled would suck.
Thanks for the confirmation. ;D It's nice to hear that from someone going in without pre-conceived notions.
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Looks really nice, dude.
:cheers:
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Looks really nice, dude.
:cheers:
Thanks man...your input helped me get it right. Spend that $10 on something good?
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What a freaking soap opera…
Pro's… looks nice, glad your happy with it
Con's… asking for advice / critiques implies you will get different opinions… nut up dude. The only way you become an expert is to listen openly :dunno
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Perfect timing for Christmas (or other holiday of your choosing).
Enjoy!
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In a cruel twist of fate, the day after it arrived I had to leave for 10 days to be with my fiancé for the holidays.
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We are going to need some comparison photos of the fiancé.
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looks nice...i'm glad you are happy with it. How is it being so close to the 55" tv? i have a 42" tv on my pedestal cabinet, and I can't imagine going any larger than that.
also, how stable is it? it looks as if it would tip over if you lean on the front edge of it.
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You could easily get $5000 for it on Craigslist.
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looks nice...i'm glad you are happy with it. How is it being so close to the 55" tv? i have a 42" tv on my pedestal cabinet, and I can't imagine going any larger than that.
also, how stable is it? it looks as if it would tip over if you lean on the front edge of it.
It's very stable. Not that heavy. Doesn't tip at all. A pedestal wobbles a tad when you are pulling hard during street fighter play, but just a little wobble.
Screen is big but you adjust quickly. Like I said, for wide screen sf4 matches its so easy to slide it back. But even playing right up on it isn't bad at all . I'm really happy with it.
Anyone in NYC want to come play? Fiancé photo comparison to come...
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Just remember, angled fiance's are bad juju!
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You could easily get $5000 for it on Craigslist.
Yeah, like 3 years ago.
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Anyone in NYC want to come play?
Sorry, try to avoid it like the plague. I'll stick to Albany. Glad you like it.
Have a Merry Christmas.
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What I don't get is why people are calling my pedestal BIG and Huge.
Ok so a 55" (16:9 ratio) TV is roughly 27" x 48" (who says you'll never use the Pythagorean Theorem in real life?) makes your tiny pedestal about 4 feet wide. By comparison, NBA Jam/Blitz/Open Ice/etc 4 player panels are 37" wide (3 feet 1 inch) , so yours is practically a foot wider (actually 11 inches).
I'll abstain from any dick and ass commentary, its not needed.
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Why are we still talking about this ---smurfing--- thing?