** RAM Controls Reproduction Star Wars Flight Yoke Controller **

[mytymaus007]

  Damm mushrooms

[CheffoJeffo]

 

and you were on eBay ... Danger! Danger ! Warning Will Robinson !

[Havok]

Just got some info from Dave - this may actually happen!

 

I should have my yoke by Wednesday; I'll keep everyone posted...

[polaris]

fingers crossed for you and this whole situation to work out.

[HaRuMaN]

Just got some info from Dave - this may actually happen!

 

I should have my yoke by Wednesday; I'll keep everyone posted...

Forgive me if I don't hold my breath...

[ratzz]

I think this is where there may be a cultural divide in this issue.

Here in the UK, when someone messes up (can’t give you a specific RAM-CONTROLS example) no matter how much arse kissing goes on, they are ruined. Where as you guys feel an apology and a promise works – I wish you luck – (and this is where I can’t understand it), unless the guy is pronounced DEAD he will still deliver the goods / refunds. Maybe if he is pronounced dead, his uncle will still finish off.

I am struggling to see where you all see the loyalty in all this – it absolutely “boggles” me – and to have such backing as the forum!

SW is my ULTIMATE fav game ... I have made no bones about it – My ultimate fantasy would be a full SW cab, and I would move my wife out to accommodate it. But Dave is ---- shock horror ---- A (---obscenity toned down by saint who will probably get grief for it---) --- and will not give us enthusiasts the products we want, as far as the yolk goes – I’d prefer to play SW with ‘z’, ‘x’, ‘;’, ‘.’ ... than order with Dave (BTW try it with those keys, it’s ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---).

Let him go – the per order was a money grabbing idea – and even if the few who were stupid enough to pre order get their yolks, is anyone seriously going to order again? DOOMED!

So, lets go with ‘X’ plans to reproduce one, and get our own yolk design  ...

(best not to mention Saint in all of this!)

[Franco B]

This is my intelligent input for now. Hope you still love me in the morning ratzz 

[smalltownguy]

*yolk yolk yolk*

That's 'Eggstra' funny, Franco 

[MameMaster!]

Just got some info from Dave - this may actually happen!

 

I should have my yoke by Wednesday; I'll keep everyone posted...

just out of curiosity-- how did his contact come about ? on his own accord? or did you reach out? 

[Havok]

Ratzz, you need to chill bro. I don't buy the cultural divide theory; besides you keep treating Ram Controls like it's a multi-million dollar corporation. He's a small business. In fact, he's a small business within a business; one that is run more out of love of the arcade rather than something to pay the bills. I honestly don't see these things making much if any profit. Of course it's going to be low priority. Dave has screwed up, and has admitted it. No-one is perfect, we all make mistakes. The real worth of a person is how they conduct themselves after making said mistakes. Will Dave make amends? I certainly hope so, and I really think he will.

I won't go into why Dave was late with the yokes after saying they were ready, that's up to him if he wishes to reveal it. I think at this point he doesn't want to keep coming here with excuses, he'd rather just get the yoke done. However, it has to be done right. And with that in mind, in the end, we all benefit from this mentality, even if it means another delay. Personally, I get the feeling he is going to do what was suggested earlier; get a bunch of these out the door and let the recipients do the talking.

We'll just have to see what Wednesday brings us...

just out of curiosity-- how did his contact come about ? on his own accord? or did you reach out?  

He responded to an email I sent the other day. Not only that, I replied and got another response within an hour!

 

[Gatt]

Ratzz, you need to chill bro. I don't buy the cultural divide theory; besides you keep treating Ram Controls like it's a multi-million dollar corporation. He's a small business. In fact, he's a small business within a business; one that is run more out of love of the arcade rather than something to pay the bills. I honestly don't see these things making much if any profit. Of course it's going to be low priority. Dave has screwed up, and has admitted it. No-one is perfect, we all make mistakes. The real worth of a person is how they conduct themselves after making said mistakes. Will Dave make amends? I certainly hope so, and I really think he will.

I won't go into why Dave was late with the yokes after saying they were ready, that's up to him if he wishes to reveal it. I think at this point he doesn't want to keep coming here with excuses, he'd rather just get the yoke done. However, it has to be done right. And with that in mind, in the end, we all benefit from this mentality, even if it means another delay. Personally, I get the feeling he is going to do what was suggested earlier; get a bunch of these out the door and let the recipients do the talking.

We'll just have to see what Wednesday brings us...

just out of curiosity-- how did his contact come about ? on his own accord? or did you reach out?  

He responded to an email I sent the other day. Not only that, I replied and got another response within an hour!

 

I agree.  It's not a question of cultural divide,  or misplaced loyalty,  it's simply a matter of being realistic.  As Havok said,  it's one man trying to manage something very complex,  in his spare time.  It's a niche hobby,  there's going to be some issues.  Like there were with Legacy Engineering,  which turned out fine.  Like there's going to be any delay if one orders a custom-built product from any of the other names in this hobby.

[TPB]

It's a niche hobby,  there's going to be some issues.

That's true.

Issues will arise, but there's no need for lies.  There was no honest reason for saying Havok's yoke was "on its way right now" when it plainly wasn't.

Still, these are merely small bumps in a long journey.  If Havok gets his yoke on Wednesday, it'll be time to celebrate !!    

As much as I'd love my own yoke, I'll remain hesitant about placing an order, until I see a truckload of customers receiving them.  Havok's all set for happiness, but we still don't know whether Dave has assembled any more than ONE unit of inventory.  How long shall it take for Yoke #2 to roll off the assembly line ?  

Hopefully we'll have the answers soon, to give us the confidence to place our orders.    

[DashRendar]

Over 6200 page views for this thread alone...That can't be good publicity.   

Hopefully this whole mess will come to a positive (albeit delayed) conclusion.   

[ChadTower]

It is a little troubling to those of us who have preorders in of other RAM Controls products, too.   

[Havok]

It is a little troubling to those of us who have preorders in of other RAM Controls products, too.   

I can see this yoke as being the most ambitious of his reproductions to date. Hopefully once this is a done deal, the other projects will complete in short order. I'm waiting on the USB controller for the yoke as well. I have a dual strike to hack in the meantime to tide me over, but I'd rather have that instead.

[ChadTower]

Hopefully once this is a done deal, the other projects will complete in short order.

There is nothing to justify that, is there?

[Havok]

Just enjoy your damn tokens!

 

[JustMichael]

Guys, if I were you I would be trying to get a refund on the yoke orders!!!

Why?  Dave starts this message thread saying that the yokes are done and shipping and over 30 days later nobody has received one yet.  No one has even mentioned getting a tracking number for a yoke yet either.  If the yokes were done and shipping as Dave clearly stated someone would have gotten one by now.  Saying the yokes were shipping was clearly a LIE probably used to drum up even more pre-orders for even more cash.

Would I like to buy a yoke?  Yes! BUT when I buy something I actually expect to get what I order in a reasonable amount of time and not a ton of excuses.  Am I going to "pre-order" a yoke?  F no!!!!

"A fool and his money are soon parted" and I don't like being a fool...

[XtraSmiley]

Guys, if I were you I would be trying to get a refund on the yoke orders!!!

Why?  Dave starts this message thread saying that the yokes are done and shipping and over 30 days later nobody has received one yet.  No one has even mentioned getting a tracking number for a yoke yet either.  If the yokes were done and shipping as Dave clearly stated someone would have gotten one by now.  Saying the yokes were shipping was clearly a LIE probably used to drum up even more pre-orders for even more cash.

Would I like to buy a yoke?  Yes! BUT when I buy something I actually expect to get what I order in a reasonable amount of time and not a ton of excuses.  Am I going to "pre-order" a yoke?  F no!!!!

"A fool and his money are soon parted" and I don't like being a fool...

Haa ha ah ah ha ah!

Welcome to the party!

[Havok]

I have a tracking number...

 

[smalltownguy]

Mm....



Fascinating

[Breaker]

Hi all,

I've requested clarification from Dave that Havok's tracking number is an indication that all pre-orders are shipping.
Will advise.

Breaker.

[Level42]

I saw a very nice original yoke for sale in the UK last saturday (in person). No-one was interested !!

I'm sure David will come through.

[HaRuMaN]

I'm sure David will come through.

Hey, I like your attitude...  on that note...  I have a bridge for sale.  Are you interested? 

[ChadTower]

I saw a very nice original yoke for sale in the UK last saturday (in person). No-one was interested !!

Was nobody interested or was nobody interested at an exhorbitant price?

[Havok]

I'm sure David will come through.

Hey, I like your attitude...  on that note...  I have a bridge for sale.  Are you interested?  

Only if it's cheap...

Sucks, I would have received the yoke today if it wasn't for the weather. On the flip side, what the hell is UPS thinking? They get it to the right state, then instead of bringing it upstate where it is supposed to go, they ship it back to Kentucky??? (Or does that mean it just sat waiting since there were adverse weather conditions?)

LOUISVILLE, KY, US   02/09/2010   7:52 A.M.   DEPARTURE SCAN
JAMAICA, NY, US   02/09/2010   5:38 A.M.   ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS
LOUISVILLE, KY, US   02/09/2010   2:26 A.M.   ARRIVAL SCAN
ONTARIO, CA, US   02/08/2010   7:45 P.M.   DEPARTURE SCAN
02/08/2010   5:26 P.M.   PICKUP SCAN

[ChadTower]

Looks like it means the transport it was supposed to be on got cancelled and it never left Louisville.

[shardian]

It will be exciting to see the final products rolling in finally. I know this issue has been drug out and alot of bad things have been said. Thankfully, not all of us live in the UK. I've seen forum members and vendors go from 'scum of the earth' to highly respected members of the hobby. Once orders start showing up, all will be water under the bridge.

2 notes:

-I think Dave should be aware that Mamemaster a writer for gameroom magazine. I haven't seen this drama mentioned yet in print, but I bet he is chomping at the bit to write about it. Dave, get it together man and you can get a super sweet writeup!

- My vested interest in this project is that I want it resolved quickly and effectively so the Paperboy project can be put in motion. Many people here who have no interest in the SW yoke, have HIGH interest in other Ramcontrols projects that are suffering and in danger from this SW issue.  I don't want to see Dave get pissed and pack up, but at the same time I feel that plenty of folks here not having money invested in the SW yoke have plenty legitmate reason to be frustrated and chime in.

[ChadTower]

At the same time I can't see a single person putting in a preorder on anything going forward.  If his issues really are cash flow related this is likely the last thing we ever see from him.

[Havok]

It's in Jamaica, mon - everything is looking irie. Maybe I will get it today after all...

JAMAICA, NY, US   02/09/2010   10:02 A.M.   ARRIVAL SCAN

[RayB]

 
Hey, after all this, I feel like Havok will owe use some photos, videos and lots of posts. 

[JMB]

Hey, after all this, I feel like Havok will owe use some photos, videos and lots of posts. 

Yeah, but we have to pre-order them and wait two years.

[SirPeale]

So...did it come or what?

[Havok]

I think we can safely say that UPS sucks. Sorry Copious!

SECAUCUS, NJ, US     02/09/2010     10:19 P.M.     DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/09/2010    2:35 P.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
NEWARK, NJ, US    02/09/2010    1:54 P.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/09/2010    12:11 P.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
   02/09/2010    12:00 P.M.    ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS
JAMAICA, NY, US    02/09/2010    11:23 A.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/09/2010    10:02 A.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
LOUISVILLE, KY, US    02/09/2010    7:52 A.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
JAMAICA, NY, US    02/09/2010    5:38 A.M.    ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS
LOUISVILLE, KY, US    02/09/2010    2:26 A.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
ONTARIO, CA, US    02/08/2010    7:45 P.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/08/2010    5:26 P.M.    PICKUP SCAN

Next day, ha!

 

They just sat on it for 8 freaking hours in Jersey, even though it's a next day air package. Unbelievable. Dave should get a refund for it being late...

Tomorrow will be a happy day - don't worry, I'll be posting when I get it.

[Gatt]

I think we can safely say that UPS sucks. Sorry Copious!

SECAUCUS, NJ, US     02/09/2010     10:19 P.M.     DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/09/2010    2:35 P.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
NEWARK, NJ, US    02/09/2010    1:54 P.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/09/2010    12:11 P.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
   02/09/2010    12:00 P.M.    ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS
JAMAICA, NY, US    02/09/2010    11:23 A.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/09/2010    10:02 A.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
LOUISVILLE, KY, US    02/09/2010    7:52 A.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
JAMAICA, NY, US    02/09/2010    5:38 A.M.    ADVERSE WEATHER CONDITIONS
LOUISVILLE, KY, US    02/09/2010    2:26 A.M.    ARRIVAL SCAN
ONTARIO, CA, US    02/08/2010    7:45 P.M.    DEPARTURE SCAN
   02/08/2010    5:26 P.M.    PICKUP SCAN

Next day, ha!

 

They just sat on it for 8 freaking hours in Jersey, even though it's a next day air package. Unbelievable. Dave should get a refund for it being late...

Tomorrow will be a happy day - don't worry, I'll be posting when I get it.

In all fairness,  I think NJ's buried under around 30" on snow.  I know yesterday UPS was delivering packages in their personal vehicles.  They weren't running the trucks,  but that was in PA.

[Havok]

Bah! Don't they know how long I have waited for this?

 

[Havok]

OMG!!!

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=100162.0

[polaris]

really pleased for you, great news

[HaRuMaN]

They DO exist!

[Hoopz]

They DO exist!

One does at least.  Let's see if anyone else gets theirs.  And if anyone who happened to ask for a refund without a reply receives either his yoke or the money back.

Congrats Havok.