** RAM Controls Reproduction Star Wars Flight Yoke Controller **

[ChadTower]

I have had shipments from Dave get lost in the mail and had a shipment to Dave get lost in the mail.  Oddly, the one to Dave that got lost was a check.  I can't think of a single reason to fake never receiving a check considering the action he suggested was to cancel the first and send a second.

[DashRendar]

I'm not in the KLOV community but...are people saying similar things over there?

Just curious how big this problem is...

[shardian]

I would think that one is obvious - he could have lost your check and rather than admit it, just fall back on the fail safe "must have gotten lost in the mail" excuse. I see that one all the time around my wife's Birthday from her dad. "Sorry sweetie, that damn mailman must have stolen the birthday money I sent you..."

I have had shipments from Dave get lost in the mail and had a shipment to Dave get lost in the mail.  Oddly, the one to Dave that got lost was a check.  I can't think of a single reason to fake never receiving a check considering the action he suggested was to cancel the first and send a second.

[ChadTower]

I would think that one is obvious - he could have lost your check and rather than admit it, just fall back on the fail safe "must have gotten lost in the mail" excuse. I see that one all the time around my wife's Birthday from her dad. "Sorry sweetie, that damn mailman must have stolen the birthday money I sent you..."

True, but it was a ten dollar check.  If he were that embarrassed it would have been better to just say he got it.

[Hoopz]

If this was a scam, which I don't believe it is, he would have never had the issues early with shipping on small items.  He would have built up good will, rapport, and positive feedback here and at KLOV.  Then, when he wants to run the scam, he brings out the big ticket item and rapes everyone.

He's just an idiot and liar now.  He may still be a thief but I'm not sure that it's intentional. 

[shardian]

He's just an idiot and liar now.  He may still be a thief but I'm not sure that it's intentional. 

All would be forgiven with some simple action, and an apology.

[ratzz]

LOL!

A while ago (a long while ago!), I advised people who were pre-ordering and waiting for the “inconsistencies in the powder coating process” (remember that old chestnut), and I quote ...

October 27, 2007 - Ratzz

“Sorry ... sounds like more hot air to me.

Noone should order until they have problems sorted. why should you fund these delays?

BAD excuses ...

RUN ... RUN AS FAS AS YOU CAN ...”

These are my exact words ... and I took flak for it. From Saint (who eventually closed the thread as not to tarnish David’s rep any more – nice freedom of speech, buddy!), and other members of this community. In fact Saint replied with

“I'm seriously thinking of putting in a pre-order    David, you still accepting those?” – You’ve got yours I take it Saint?

I was so pissed off with Saints stance on this that I took a break from the forum. It seemed that the “Master CPU” was siding with the enemy, and not the community, and I only checked in infrequently to the forum – it left a bad taste. I don’t check in with Saint any more, I catch up with the community.

Anyway, not to worry, as on the thread Dave said:

“Rattz.  It seems to me that you're trolling for a fight.  Not going to happen with me, buddy.  Hot air.  Scam.  LOL  Let's just agree to disagree and leave it there.”

Havok:

“Ratzz,

He is a vendor, like he says: he has delivered on other arcade related parts. In fact a number of members here have dealt with him in the past. I'm one of the pre-orders, (lol - the dirty dozen!) and I personally am sticking this one out - the return is worth the wait.

David - since you have the equipment now and are just waiting on the hookups before proceeding, what kind of time frame do you expect once you are fully operational?”

Anyway, there is plenty more to this “saga” at: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=64536.0

[TPB]

If this was a scam, which I don't believe it is,

No, I don't believe it's a scam either.  It's a scheme, not a scam.

If the yokes arrive eventually, as they probably will, then the "end result" is not a scam.

But this sure appears as a scheme he devised to get himself through a cash flow problem.  He would justify his actions to himself as a means to an end, thinking that if people want him to finish the yokes, then he needs their cash to help him through his (hopefully temporary) money issues.

If anyone has another plausible explanation for Dave creating this thread and making these comments, I'd like to hear it :

the yoke controllers are done and shipping!!

Havok, your controller is on it's way right now. Enjoy!!!!

... This can't be explained by saying he's too busy or disorganised.  To have not shipped a solitary yoke in all that time, not even Havok's yoke which he said was "on its way right now".

[saint]

From Saint (who eventually closed the thread as not to tarnish David’s rep any more – nice freedom of speech, buddy!), and other members of this community. In fact Saint replied with

“I'm seriously thinking of putting in a pre-order    David, you still accepting those?” – You’ve got yours I take it Saint?

Anyone who questions why I closed the thread should read the last two pages of the thread. It never ceases to boggle me that anytime I shut down a thread that's getting out of hand, someone with an axe to grind accuses me of censorship. If I was trying to protect someone's reputation then leaving the thread there for everyone to see was a pretty stupid way to do so. I don't do operate like that. I bend over backwards to run this forum in an as open and fair a way as I can, only stepping in when threads jump the shark. When a thread degenerates into fighting, flaming, and name calling I put an end to it. I think that's resulted in a pretty good forum. Visit other forums where they don't if that's more your cup of tea, "buddy."

I was so pissed off with Saints stance on this that I took a break from the forum. It seemed that the “Master CPU” was siding with the enemy, and not the community, and I only checked in infrequently to the forum – it left a bad taste. I don’t check in with Saint any more, I catch up with the community.

Running this forum does not preclude me from having and stating my own opinions. I'm entitled to have them, and if I feel strongly enough about them I'll state them -- or would you have me censor myself? Screw that. People are welcome to agree or disagree, and disregard my opinions as much as anyone elses. It is arrogant presumption to tell me I'm not entitled to have an opinion just because I run the forum. Getting pissed off because I dared to speak my mind?   

I'd have bet on this horse and if I had had the money I would have pre-ordered. It looks like that would have been a poor choice. If I had a pre-order in, I would write Dave and demand my product be shipped with proof of shipping, or a refund issued within a couple of days, or I would exercise whatever options I had to get my money back.

My personal opinion (note the word personal, thanks) is that Shardian is probably closest to the mark and this is a business venture going (gone?) south, not an attempt at scamming. I still have hopes but little confidence. The acid test will be if/when people start asking for refunds and if they receive them.

--- saint

[ark_ader]

If anyone has another plausible explanation for Dave creating this thread and making these comments, I'd like to hear it :

I have done business with Dave before and he has come though with the goods.

Saint is right and the people out there getting all excited over this is not helping.

Sounding off against Saint is very unfair. 

I hate to see it, just send our host a PM and discuss it like a gentleman. 

Something has gone wrong with Dave's shipping or building process and I'm sure it is temporary.

We should all know by now that delays do happen in the gaming industry, especially if you cannot devote 100% of time to it.

An Explanation?   Well if this product was software it would remind me of...

[CheffoJeffo]

Sounding off against Saint is very unfair. 

+1

What kind of dooshbag walks into somebody's house and tries to kick them in balls ?

Perhaps it is time for ratzz to take another break.

[Havok]

What kind of dooshbag walks into somebody's house and tries to kick them in balls ?

Saint can take it - here's the proof!



Look at Saint's face - he doesn't even flinch!

[TPB]

Ratzz,

There was no need to steer this thread (which Dave created) in that direction.  I reckon an apology to Saint's in order.

Saint's impartially is demonstrated by the fact that he didn't edit or delete your post, despite your rude sentiment towards him.  Saint was entitled to lend support to his friend Dave in 2007.  But roll forward to 2010 and even Saint's patience is fraying, as he expressed earlier in this thread :

At this point silence is damning. I have high hopes but would like to hear something.

Saint,

I agree with your reading of the situation, which is consistent with my own.  Let's face it, a "business venture going (gone?) south" is one with a cash flow problem :

My personal opinion (note the word personal, thanks) is that Shardian is probably closest to the mark and this is a business venture going (gone?) south, not an attempt at scamming. I still have hopes but little confidence.

... and I agree, it's not a scam, as people will probably end up receiving their yokes.  It's not a scam, but a scheme to help him sort out his money issues.


Rattz and Saint, you guys need to share one of these - and Ratzz, it's your shout :   

[Zakk]

What's the deal with that cheffo guy?

[MameMaster!]

Personally I think that Zakk is just plain mean! 

[Havok]

What's the deal with that cheffo guy?

Well he's a grumpy old man, of course!

 

[Deadly]

Out of all the people flaming on here - how many have actually ordered one? If you haven't then who the hell cares if Dave gets the yokes out? Seriously - someone please explain what entitles you to start flaming someone? Technically this whole thread goes against the rules. A bunch of childish BS over a stupid yoke? The fate of the world depends on the release of this yoke? C'mon and grow up. From this thread or KLOV not one person has said they asked Dave for a refund and didn't get it. Look - why don;t we leave this thread to the people whom have pre-paid. That's be what ... 2 or 3 people? Surely they and they alone are entitled to discuss their concerns.
Havok - you've been a "Saint" (no punn intended) about all of this.

David Adams you need to nut up.

[WareWolF]

From this thread or KLOV not one person has said they asked Dave for a refund and didn't get it.

I asked for a refund and did not get it (or any response).

Face it the dude and our money are gone. 

[polaris]

From this thread or KLOV not one person has said they asked Dave for a refund and didn't get it.

I asked for a refund and did not get it (or any response).

 

when did you contact him?

[RayB]

It seemed that the “Master CPU” was siding with the enemy...

  Master CPU 

[Hoopz]

Out of all the people flaming on here - how many have actually ordered one? If you haven't then who the hell cares if Dave gets the yokes out? Seriously - someone please explain what entitles you to start flaming someone? Technically this whole thread goes against the rules. A bunch of childish BS over a stupid yoke? The fate of the world depends on the release of this yoke? C'mon and grow up. From this thread or KLOV not one person has said they asked Dave for a refund and didn't get it. Look - why don;t we leave this thread to the people whom have pre-paid. That's be what ... 2 or 3 people? Surely they and they alone are entitled to discuss their concerns.
Havok - you've been a "Saint" (no punn intended) about all of this.

David Adams you need to nut up.

Guess who started this thread that goes against the rules?  The liar and thief.  What's got your panties in a twist about it?  As was said before when you were whining about having to read it here and at KLOV, if you don't like it, don't read it.  People have a right to ask and a right to complain.  Or do you think you have a right to tell people what they should think and right? 

Troll.

And you owe WareWolF an apology.  And his money back too. 

[FrizzleFried]

 

...love ya Deadly...

 

[smalltownguy]

That's quite possibly the funniest smiley I've ever seen. I'm SO stealing it.

[ratzz]

Ratzz,

There was no need to steer this thread (which Dave created) in that direction.  I reckon an apology to Saint's in order.

Saint's impartially is demonstrated by the fact that he didn't edit or delete your post, despite your rude sentiment towards him.  Saint was entitled to lend support to his friend Dave in 2007.  But roll forward to 2010 and even Saint's patience is fraying, as he expressed earlier in this thread :

At this point silence is damning. I have high hopes but would like to hear something.

Saint,

I agree with your reading of the situation, which is consistent with my own.  Let's face it, a "business venture going (gone?) south" is one with a cash flow problem :

My personal opinion (note the word personal, thanks) is that Shardian is probably closest to the mark and this is a business venture going (gone?) south, not an attempt at scamming. I still have hopes but little confidence.

... and I agree, it's not a scam, as people will probably end up receiving their yokes.  It's not a scam, but a scheme to help him sort out his money issues.


Rattz and Saint, you guys need to share one of these - and Ratzz, it's your shout :   

Apologise for what exactly?

I voiced my opinion (correctly as it turns out in 2007).

Apparently, as long as Saint is right, and I “don’t kick him in the balls in his house”, then I should be ok to voice my opinion – well so long as I agree to Saints stance.

So I can’t disagree with anything Saint says? Why?

FYI, I sent a personal message to Saint about this issue last time it rose it’s ugly head, and I heard nothing back. I eluded to the fact that Saint thought Dave was a great guy and all the free $0.0001 stuff he gives away, does not makes him so.

Why is Saint such a Saint? On the home page of BYOAC there is one of those animated .gifs that says: “STOP INTERNET SENSORSHIP ... FREE SPEECH ONLINE ... BLUE RIBBON CAMPAIGN ...” – I asked him what that meant and he didn’t reply - but he was also wrong to back David and for maybe some of you to send your money to him.

And, PCB, FYI this is what you wrote to ME on the thread:
“Hi Simon,

Whilst I agree with you, don't waste your time ...

Suckers will never learn.

You'll only end up being the wrath of their vengeance.

They'll always be David's disciples (hey, 12 disciples, dozey dozen, uncanny coincidence ?).

Your attempts to drum "common sense" into them, will simply fall on deaf and confrontational ears.

Cheers,
TPB.”

To use one of Saint’s expressions ... My mind “boggles”!?!?!?

I was right about the Ram-Controls SW Yolk going tits-up and could see it coming, and so were others including FrizzleFried – what was unbelievable was how many of you didn’t.

I can certainly live without this forum. I know nobody personally, but have on occasion felt close to people who have guided me and helped me out and some who have not but I’ve appreciated their comments non-the-less.

Anyways, taking a break again may be a great idea – crack on guys.

[CheffoJeffo]

Apparently, as long as Saint is right, and I “don’t kick him in the balls in his house”, then I should be ok to voice my opinion – well so long as I agree to Saints stance.

So I can’t disagree with anything Saint says? Why?

It has nothing to do with disagreeing with saint's opinion on the subject at hand -- it has to do with you attacking his integrity regarding how he moderates.

One is your exercising freedom of speech, the other is being a dooshbag.

 

[CheffoJeffo]

Somewhat on topic, late last year I submitted a preorder & deposit for Exidy 440 Multikits from Dave Widel and Mike Doyle. The progress has been well communicated via their project blog, in a thread over on KLOV and via direct email. I sent the outstanding balance on Wednesday night and they started shipping the kits (with tracking numbers) this morning.

They have done an amazing job keeping people informed and got this out faster than I would have thought possible.

An excellent example of success in a coin-op project.

 

[FrizzleFried]

While I disagree with Saints stance in regards to this situation... I certainly respect the man and have never once given him crap for his point of view.

 

PS: I,  personally,  have never seen Saint "censor" anyone in regards to their opinion as long as that person wasn't being a --cream-filled twinkie-- in one way or another...

[ark_ader]

Yeah look at the thread regarding the MAME and illegal commercial use.

I do not see a locked thread or any moderator threatening me to keep quiet.

I know where to draw the line and I am quite capable of crossing it.   

I would never take any issue and be publicly negative with Saint.  Never will.

It would be very easy for a deviant to derail this thread, and send it to Post Hell.

I hope Ratzz understands this and tries to be civil in the future.

[TPB]

Ratzz,

You're getting yourself really worked up about a gaming forum.  Settle down, it's not a life or death matter.

What's the point you're trying to make here ?  It sounds like you're trying to rub Saint and the pre-orderer's nose in your ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- whilst "giving them the finger" and taunting them with "na na na, I told you so !!".

Does it make you feel good to act this way ?




Apparently private conversation with you, is never guaranteed to be private.  I can't beieve you've been hoarding PM's from way back in 2007, waiting for your chance to "publish them" at a later date.  Congratulations mate, you're a real backstabber.  Thanks for revealing your true nature for all to see.

But That's OK, I'm happy to discuss.

Unlike yourself, I like to learn from my mistakes.

I was rude and discourteous towards the pre-orderer's at the time.  That was wrong, I'm sorry for that, I apologise to the pre-order folks, my attitude was out of line.

They took a risky decision to leave their money in Dave's bank account for all these years.  That's a decision I wouldn't have made myself.  But that's been THEIR decision, which as grown adults they're entitled to make.  Who are you, or me, or Frizz, or anyone else to tell them otherwise ?

Saint was CORRECT in his assertion back then, that anyone who wanted their money back from Dave, was free to ask him for a refund.  Back in 2007, Dave was still honouring any refunds that were asked of him.  To my recollection, Mamemaster was a pre-orderer who gave up on Dave, he asked for a refund and to Dave's credit HE GOT HIS REFUND.

Regardless of the current situation involving the non-delivery of the yokes, Saint is dead set right in saying that no-one can truly take issue with Dave until such a time as he stops issuing refunds ... and this is yet to happen (notwithstanding WareWolF's unsubstantiated claim above) :

The acid test will be if/when people start asking for refunds and if they receive them.

[Gatt]

Out of all the people flaming on here - how many have actually ordered one? If you haven't then who the hell cares if Dave gets the yokes out? Seriously - someone please explain what entitles you to start flaming someone? Technically this whole thread goes against the rules. A bunch of childish BS over a stupid yoke? The fate of the world depends on the release of this yoke? C'mon and grow up. From this thread or KLOV not one person has said they asked Dave for a refund and didn't get it. Look - why don;t we leave this thread to the people whom have pre-paid. That's be what ... 2 or 3 people? Surely they and they alone are entitled to discuss their concerns.
Havok - you've been a "Saint" (no punn intended) about all of this.

David Adams you need to nut up.

Guess who started this thread that goes against the rules?  The liar and thief.  What's got your panties in a twist about it?  As was said before when you were whining about having to read it here and at KLOV, if you don't like it, don't read it.  People have a right to ask and a right to complain.  Or do you think you have a right to tell people what they should think and right? 

Troll.

And you owe WareWolF an apology.  And his money back too. 

First,  let me say that people do have a right to be upset,  we're waiting on information that hasn't been coming.  I gave him my $300 too,  and I'm a little concerned.

That said,  I feel you're going a little overboard calling him a liar and a thief.  This is a niche hobby,  and something like these yokes are a major undertaking.  While he has not yet produced,  or communicated,  given that the hobby is so technically involved,  IMO it's best to err on the side of leniency.  I mean,  the guy has demonstrated in the past that he's able to produce difficult parts,  is it likely that he concocted a scheme to take mney,  knowing it'd take little effort to file charges?  I think he's probably just a shade ashamed that he hasn't been able to get things done in the time frame he thought he would,  and is staying out of sight until he gets it toghether.

[FrizzleFried]

Well,  I personally am not ready to call the man a thief...

...however how can anyone explain these quotes...

Quote from: Daviea on December 27, 2009, 09:32:43 PM

the yoke controllers are done and shipping!!


Quote from: Daviea - KLOV forum - December 31, 2009, 12:13 PM

Havok, your controller is on it's way right now. Enjoy!!!!

...as anything other than a falsehood?  It seems the yokes are likely not done and they certainly aren't shipping... and if Havok's controll was on it's way 'right now' the man would have received it within a week or two at most.  We're now a full 5 weeks along from that quote.   So if those two statements (among countless other statements the man has made over these 3 years in regards to this project) aren't 'lies'... can someone please tell me exactly what a 'lie' is?

[TPB]

I feel you're going a little overboard calling him a liar and a thief.

Well,  I personally am not ready to call the man a thief...

Frizz, that's very eloquent.  In replying to Gatt, you've nicely stated the obvious, by way of omission.    

Let's face it, Dave has lied.  His intention was probably to drum up extra orders, to get cash flowing into his bank account, to see him through a cash flow problem.

Here's another doozy to add to those that Frizzle has highlighted above ...

Ordering is now OPEN.

... the folks who took up the BYOAC and KLOV specials after reading that, didn't think they were "pre-ordering".  They thought they were ordering a stocked and shipping product that would arrive on their doorstep within a matter of days.  That's a real case of deception.

That being said, Dave's not a thief.  To his credit, he's honoured all refund requests in the past, including the refund he gave to Mamemaster.

A thief would be someone who refuses to honour refunds once requested.  That's not the case here.

[Havok]

From this thread or KLOV not one person has said they asked Dave for a refund and didn't get it.

I asked for a refund and did not get it (or any response).

Face it the dude and our money are gone. 

FYI - this was also posted on Klov:

Quite frankly, I am tired of hearing all the bashing in this forum about this and that. This is supposed to be fun. When you start pissing in everyone's cereal it really leaves a bad taste in their mouths. Ask Dave for a refund and shut up. If he doesn't provide you one, send me the friggin bill and I'll give you your money. Then you have to shut the F up. Plain and simple. You ar prohibited from ever ordering anything from Ram controls ever again. Me personally, I can wait another 5 years for a Lunar Lander control panel. It took me 8 years to find a good cabinet. What does it matter in the grand scheme of things? If you are so hard up for cash, then you shouldn't have spent the money in the first place.

I'm pissed. Fire away. I don't give a rats ass what most of you cry babies think anymore. If you don't want to do business with me, FINE, all the better. Anyone that still thinks this is a fun hobby and appreciates all the hard work others are doing are more than welcome to order from me. For that matter, anyting I have listed for sale will automatically qualify for an automatic 10% discount if you include the statement" I love this hobby and haven't bitched about anytihng on KLOV in over 30 days" I don't care if it is in person, on eBay or thru the forums.

Send all copies of bills you have from Ram Controls requesting refunds to this e-mail address:

patdanis@verizon.net, or via snail mail to

Pat Danis
3416 Augusta Drive
Flower Mound, TX 75028

You must then follow up with an e-mail to Dave telling him that you have transferred your order to me and will not be purchasing anything else from him in the future.

What personal interest do I have in Dave's business? I donated some obscure parts and artwork for reproduction to help others in the hobby and have purchased reproduction parts from him. I don't make a friggin cent off anything he sells. I will gladly take whatever he makes and ships and either use it or trade it for something else. Anybody see what the last partial Star Wars yoke sold for on eBay?

That's it for now. I'm going to go mail some parts and work on something.
__________________
Pat Danis

So you might not be out your money...

[mytymaus007]

  Where's my Yoke!

[Gatt]

I feel you're going a little overboard calling him a liar and a thief.

Well,  I personally am not ready to call the man a thief...

Frizz, that's very eloquent.  In replying to Gatt, you've nicely stated the obvious, by way of omission.    

Let's face it, Dave has lied.  His intention was probably to drum up extra orders, to get cash flowing into his bank account, to see him through a cash flow problem.

Here's another doozy to add to those that Frizzle has highlighted above ...

Ordering is now OPEN.

... the folks who took up the BYOAC and KLOV specials after reading that, didn't think they were "pre-ordering".  They thought they were ordering a stocked and shipping product that would arrive on their doorstep within a matter of days.  That's a real case of deception.

That being said, Dave's not a thief.  To his credit, he's honoured all refund requests in the past, including the refund he gave to Mamemaster.

A thief would be someone who refuses to honour refunds once requested.  That's not the case here.

Ok,  then if you'll permit me to restate?  

I ordered two repro atari joysticks from legacy engineering,  and it took me 6 months to receive them.  Did we call them liars and thieves too?  IIRC,  more than a few people here were in the same boat as I was.  

Look,  all I'm saying is that I feel it's a bit harsh,  especially the thief part.  I don't have a very good position to take on the lieing part,  but as far as thief goes,  I've seen this before...

[mytymaus007]

Hey DAve

[MameMaster!]

Actually I was one of the first to order one--- and waited for about 8/10 months I think before I requested the refund, but I did get it.

I am fully prepared to actually buy one of these and his USB adapter---  but come on guys, this behavior doesn't bother those of you that is currently defending Dave? It's really not cool to take the $$ and then not respond to anyone on this matter.

This is not about taking time to create a product--- it's about literally saying the product has shipped and then not shipping it. It's really that simple.

The silence is troubling at best, disresprectful to those who laid out a lot of money in a ---smurfy--- economy at its worst though.

Dave-- we're still waiting what's the story? Don't you realize on any level this isn't right to not respond to even Havok?--- he's been your biggest supporter from day 1.

I really do want to get one of these from you.Can't you clue us in?

[TPB]

I was the first to make a working SW yoke years before anyone else ... I believe I was also the first person (again by Years) who found, made mountings, & installed the green gears on my yoke

Hi Xiaou,

Any chance of you making & selling your own yoke ?  It's something many of us, including myself, have a fascination with.  I'd be cool to own one.  There's certainly a market for them.

You had thoughts about selling in your yoke thread :

Starwars Yoke - DIY

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=89243.0

Ive thought about trying to sell things... but Randy and Andy would probably just bowl me over if I tried      I really cant complete with the technical wizardry and business experience/knowledge that they have.

Randy and Andy would be formidable competition.  But they're not selling yokes.

You'd be up against RAM Controls.

[Xiaou2]

 It would be nice to have a little side money... But really, I probably could only
go as far as making plans / How to build DVDs.

 Id have to re-design an enhanced version, and build at least two of them.
(One filmed)

 I doubt I could compete with manufacturing.  The labor and number of parts
on these are very high.   Im shocked David was to sell them at $300 at such
a low run number.  It may be hard to cough up that much money.. but the thing
will last a lifetime.

[Lilwolf]

Come on everyone... settle down a bit.

These guys aren't professional stores or manufacturers.  They are hobbiests.

My guess, they didn't realize how much labor it would be to put them together.  And the complete overload of orders they took.

The ONLY think they need to work on is communication, and hire a few kids from the neighborhood 10 bucks an hour to put them together during the first initial rush.

I've ordered from them before and got everything I ordered.  And its not like everyone hasn't been waiting for 4+ years for these exact same items.