Multiple Mice - Opti-pac/Mameanalog+ - Help

[EvileSpawn]

I've been trying to get two trackballs to work for a few days now with no luck. I'm using mame32 analog+. I have two happ trackballs connected to the opti-pac USB. Jumpers are set to "A/LO" for both devices and i have one on "P2". Windows 98 recognizes two "human interface mice". Only the player 1 trackball will move the mouse in windows though (is this the way it should work or should the player 2 trackball also move the mouse?). I can get both trackballs to work if i move the P2 jumper to P1 except they function as the same trackball (this ruled out having a bad trackball). I've changed the settings inside mame analog+ to map different trackballs to different players except only the "system mouse" and "mouse2" work (although labled "mouse2" its actually the first trackball ... the one that's always worked). Am i missing something that i didnt try? Is this a software thing or a hardware thing?  It seems that no matter what i do the player two trackball will not work. Do i have to configure them differently in windows or something? Is it a setting in mameanalog that i've missed. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

[u_rebelscum]

I've been trying to get two trackballs to work for a few days now with no luck. I'm using mame32 analog+. I have two happ trackballs connected to the opti-pac USB. Jumpers are set to "A/LO" for both devices and i have one on "P2". Windows 98 recognizes two "human interface mice". Only the player 1 trackball will move the mouse in windows though (is this the way it should work or should the player 2 trackball also move the mouse?). I can get both trackballs to work if i move the P2 jumper to P1 except they function as the same trackball (this ruled out having a bad trackball). I've changed the settings inside mame analog+ to map different trackballs to different players except only the "system mouse" and "mouse2" work (although labled "mouse2" its actually the first trackball ... the one that's always worked). Am i missing something that i didnt try? Is this a software thing or a hardware thing?  It seems that no matter what i do the player two trackball will not work. Do i have to configure them differently in windows or something? Is it a setting in mameanalog that i've missed. Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

(posting basically same answer as in Ulrimarc forum for everyone who doesn't visit there)

Both TBs need to be controlling the cursor in windows for it to work. IIRC you should have the jumper set to "1 player". I think the 1/2 player jumper is really a 1/2 port jumper, and since you only need one port for USB mode 2 player, the jumper should be "1 player".

My jumpers: both devices set to A/LO, JP1 open, JP2 closed.
One USB cord plugged into "Player 1 PC Port"
(see image, below)

Hopefully the cause is you should have the jumper set to "1 player", but if that doesn't help, could you answer these questions so we can troubleshoot some more:

How many other USB mice do you have plugged in? (sounds like at least one other one, since you say optipac player 1 TB is "mouse 2")

Do you also have "mouse 1" and "mouse 3"? If optipac player 1 TB is "mouse 2", then optipac player2 TB should be seen as "mouse 3".

OTOH, if you don't have any other USB mice, you should only have 3 mice: "sysmouse", "mouse 1" and "mouse 2". The optipac TBs should be seen as "mouse 1" and "mouse 2", and then your problem is with optipac player 1 TB! If this is the problem, is the USB cord is plugged into the "player 1 PC port"?

[Gromet]

I had this SAME EXACTS set up and EXACT same issue.  No Idea why the second mouse would not be recognized.  I asked a bunch of questions everywhere and got no answers that helped the situation.  I talked to Andy, and still no fix.  He is sending me a new one, but the fact that you are having the exact same issues leads me to belive it's in the config more than a faulty Opti-Pac.  I have basically dropped the dual trackball idea, and switched to XP, and have everything else working perfectly just no dual trackball layout...  but Mame, and Daphne, are running amazingly well.  So I may just stick with that.

[u_rebelscum]

I had this SAME EXACTS set up and EXACT same issue.  No Idea why the second mouse would not be recognized.  I asked a bunch of questions everywhere and got no answers that helped the situation.  I talked to Andy, and still no fix.  He is sending me a new one, but the fact that you are having the exact same issues leads me to belive it's in the config more than a faulty Opti-Pac.  I have basically dropped the dual trackball idea, and switched to XP, and have everything else working perfectly just no dual trackball layout...  but Mame, and Daphne, are running amazingly well.  So I may just stick with that.

Might be the mouse driver, too; what mouse driver(s) do you have installed?

Some mouse drivers, even some PS/2 mouse drivers, seem to prevent the HID mouse from being seen.  Using different drivers for different mice also might cause driver conflicts, and thus problems.  I use the standard windows mouse driver for all my mice, and have tested up to 7 separate mouse inputs at the same time on my system & analog+.

[EvileSpawn]

I've rechecked my configuration.  The jumpers are set in the same positions as yours.

I currently only have the opti-pac and a ps/2 mouse.  It recognizes two "hid-compliant mice" as well as the ps/2.


found this helpful in narowing down the problem ...
Do you also have "mouse 1" and "mouse 3"? If optipac player 1 TB is "mouse 2", then optipac player2 TB should be seen as "mouse 3".

... the only mice listed are "sysmouse", "mouse1" and "mouse2".  However "mouse2" is controled by player one and doubles as "sysmouse". There is no "mouse3" and "mouse1" does nothing.

Lead me to confirm some things in device manager.  If i disable the first "hid-compliant mouse" listed (which should be "mouse1") nothing happens.  However if i disable the second one, i loose the player one trackball (aka "mouse2" in analog+). I'm thinking windows is confused over what controls what.

I'm going to attempt to change the drivers to switch the drivers as you suguested now.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  Thanks for all the help thus far!!!

[EvileSpawn]

this evenings troubleshooting ... part two ...

I checked the mouse drivers.  They are all now using the standard windows driver (the most recent version i could find).  Still no luck.  

I double and triple checked my configuration.  In theory, everything should be working properly.  Jumpers are in the right place (both devices set to A/LO, JP1 open, JP2 closed) USB plugged into the correct port ("Player 1 PC Port")

Convinced windows is to blame, I proceeded to scour the sometimes helpful, always time consuming Microsoft knowledge base to see if i could find something on devices that are improperly identified by windows.  I found some interesting registry items to check for USB mice.   Besides finding several locations where they were listed, I unfortunately was either looking in the wrong place or there are simply no entries that i could edit that would make any difference (that i could understand at least).  I deleted all references to that HID Mouse that does nothing, thinking that when i rebooted that windows would be smart enough map the working player one device to "mouse1" and the yet to work player two device to "mouse 2".  I still have one HID mouse that works and one that doesn

[u_rebelscum]

Wow, sounds like you're covering almost everything, and it's still not working.

You might want to try booting into safe mode and check the HID devices listed there.  In normal mode, the HID drivers are still "installed" but only show when the device is plugged in.  In safe mode, all drivers are shown.  Delete all the HID drivers, unplug all USB devices, reboot to normal mode, plug in the Optipac and see it that helps.

Also, Win98se is better at USB than the older win98; trying the se version is a good idea.


FWIW, here's my system:
I have a winME system, with between 3 and 7 mouse devices plugged at a time (one always ps/2, though), depending on what I want to play/test.  Currently, my PC mouse is "mouse 1" in Analog+, optipac player 1 TB is "mouse 2", optipac player 2 is "mouse 3", and of course all control "sysmouse".
In winMe, the optipac shows as two HID-compliant mice and one "USB composite device" (this one under "Universal Serial Bus Controllers").  You might want to uninstall this one, too.
When I plug the optipac in, I get three separate hourglasses, at if one for each of the drivers listed above (well, sometimes the houglasses "blend together" so it looks like one or two longer lasting hourglasses).  It's best not to move the trackballs until the the drivers are all finished loading.
I plug my optipac into a self-powered (800 mA) 4 plug USB hub.
And on my system, the optipac player 1 TB always is one below the player 2 TB, whether they are mouse 1 & 2, up to mouse 6 & 7.

Not sure if listing my setup helps you any, but if you want to compare any more details, just ask me.

I hope things start working.

[Tiger-Heli]

I have an original version of windows 98 (i don?t know if that matters or not).  I'm going to attempt to get my hands on an win98SE disk tomorrow.  Still keeping my fingers crossed ... however i'm quite ready to start banging my head on my keyboard  

Available here for $25 to $29 if you wanted to buy one:

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/182/1316-1.htm