Author Topic: Blue Screen of Death Options?? (Read 8357 times)

Flake · « **Reply #40 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:00:59 pm »

OK, if I'm going to replace my existing hard drive, do I set the current (corrupt) hard drive to master and the new HD to slave? If so what happens when I clone over to the new HD? Do I then have to reset it as the master/single drive after the old HD image has been copied over? I can imagine leaving it in a slave position?

Also there seems to be some wire hanging lose on the very bottom right of the motherboard. Its little white cable/wire with the words "power led" on the black end of it. There are also some other blue, red, green and white cables plugging into the same area as this disconnected cable. The mother board text on the area HLED, SPK and RST. God could this be my issue?

severdhed · « **Reply #41 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:29:25 pm »

those are the front panel connectors, the one that says "power led" is for the power LED (surprise!!!) it is not necessary. the others should be for the speaker (just for beeps) power switch, reset switch, and Hard Drive LED. the only one you really need connected for it to work is the power switch.

when both drives are in, it shouldn't matter which one is master and slave, as long as there is one of each (or they are both set to Cable Select).

once you take the old one out, make sure the new one is either set to Cable Select or Master. some drives will have a different setting for Master with a slave present, and Master - single drive. make sure it is set appropriately .

fallacy · « **Reply #42 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:36:06 pm »

I have been doing helpdesk computer support for the last 5 years. It sounds like your hard drive went bad; bad sectors on it. Only thing you can do is get a new drive.

Flake · « **Reply #43 on:** September 28, 2009, 10:04:26 pm »

---fudgesicle--- I bought the wrong damn HD, mine is a SATA not EIDE. Thats what I get when I purchase something before looking under the hood.

bkenobi · « **Reply #44 on:** September 28, 2009, 11:17:11 pm »

You can get an adapter if it's too late to trade it.

Flake · « **Reply #45 on:** September 28, 2009, 11:31:42 pm »

No big deal, I found a SATA HD for much cheaper on Ebay and will use this EIDE HD for my jukebox computer. Its only 80 GB and completely maxed out. This way I should be good to go on this computer for a VERY long time.

I'm just pissed because I wanted to start this process tonight and now have to wait for the SATA HD to show up.

severdhed · « **Reply #46 on:** September 28, 2009, 11:37:19 pm »

well, good news, since it is SATA you wont have to worry about jumpers

Flake · « **Reply #47 on:** October 01, 2009, 02:38:38 pm »

OK just to clarify a few things while I wait for the HD to get delivered. I wanted to throw out my plan of action so if there is something I'm doing wrong I can figure this out before I blow something up.

1. Install new SATA HD into tower. (old one still present).
2. Run from CD, the Acronis recovery CD. Choose clone HD.
3. Shut down computer?
4. Remove old failed HD from tower.
5. Boot computer from XP install CD to recovery console.
6. Run "chkdsk /r" from DOS command.
7. Start windows as prompted.
8. Shut down windows and remove XP install CD?
9. Boot computer normally with no XP install CD......and hopefully all will be well with the world? Assuming the cloning command worked.

Anything I'm missing?

KissMyWookie · « **Reply #48 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:19:51 pm »

Quote from: Flake on October 01, 2009, 02:38:38 pm

Anything I'm missing?

Cloning the HDD won't repair any data that was damaged - you'll still need to run a repair on Windows, and possibly reinstall some of your apps (whichever are having problems running and appear corrupt).

If it boots into Safe Mode, but not Regular Windows, then a driver(s) for your system are corrupt and will need to be removed via safe-mode. If you can then boot into Windows normally, reinstall the drivers for your system and see if everything else is running okay.

If a standard repair option (from the WinXP CD) doesn't work, install Windows over the top of the old one - this keeps your data intact buy will write a new registry.

Steve

Flake · « **Reply #49 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:46:13 pm »

Quote from: KissMyWookie on October 01, 2009, 04:19:51 pm

you'll still need to run a repair on Windows

And how does one do this? "chkdsk /r"?

Quote

If a standard repair option (from the WinXP CD) doesn't work, install Windows over the top of the old one - this keeps your data intact buy will write a new registry.

So your saying if my step by step process doesnt work in my last post, then simply throw in the XP Pro install CD, and start the process of installing windows? This wont write over all my files that I'm trying to save?

severdhed · « **Reply #50 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:16:34 pm »

depending on how bad it is, the chkdsk /r may fix it enough to get it to boot. if not, you boot from the CD, and start setup..and do a repair installation of windows..this will keep your data intact

Flake · « **Reply #51 on:** October 01, 2009, 05:22:21 pm »

So if I run a repair installation from the startup disk on my NEW cloned HD, this should fix any problems I have while keeping ALL my files/programs/general settings intact? If this is the case, why would I even bother trying to run the "chkdsk /r" on the new cloned HD and just go straight to the repair installation?

KissMyWookie · « **Reply #52 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:15:33 pm »

A repair install will overwrite any service packs, hotfixes or other patches you have on your system - meaning you'll have to reinstall all of those after repairing ... which takes a long time and is a hassle.

Have you not done a "chkdsk /r" on the original disk yet?
If you have, then there's no point in running it again on the cloned drive.

Flake · « **Reply #53 on:** October 02, 2009, 05:20:52 pm »

Yea I already ran a "chkdsk /r" on the bad drive. Its only gets to about 35% and says there is some unknown or unrecoverable error.....blah....blah....

So I'm going to have to do repair intall of windows then huh? I guess thats a better alternative than using Acronis to bring me back to square one with no Mame/other emulators/CP wizard/Cab Vol...setup on it.

I'm assuming Mame/other emulators/CP wizard/Cab Vol will still be there after a repair installation is run from the XP install CD?

severdhed · « **Reply #54 on:** October 02, 2009, 10:22:00 pm »

you should still run the chkdsk /r on the cloned drive, because it couldn't succesfully run on the old one. if you clone it and run chkdsk /r, it may be enough to get you back up and running...without doing a repair install.

if it does come to a repair install, your data and programs should be intact, but you will have to install all service packs and windows updates. still alot better than starting from scratch

KissMyWookie · « **Reply #55 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:13:30 am »

Quote from: Flake on October 02, 2009, 05:20:52 pm

I'm assuming Mame/other emulators/CP wizard/Cab Vol will still be there after a repair installation is run from the XP install CD?

It's impossible to say exactly what was corrupted. You might be lucky and have the corruption limited to Windows system files - in which case the Windows repair install will fix it - but it could have also corrupted some of your mame data.

I would recommend finding a copy of SpinRite and running that. It can take 20+ hours to run, but will attempt to recover data even from bad sectors at a very low level on the hard drive...
http://grc.com/spinrite
Apparently, there are a lot of success stories from IT pros and it has been under development for the past 16 years.

Steve

LeedsFan · « **Reply #56 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:50:57 am »

I had blue screens of death on my latest project, together with random shutdowns etc. It was a brand new Mini ATX and it turned out to be something really simple. I was using the U360 without a powered hub (connected directly to USB on the PC). The U360 registered fine in Windows, and worked fine in the Ultimarc programming software. But in Mame it wasn't responding. Plus I was having these really irksome reset problems with BSOD. A powered hub sorted all this out in one go! All runs sweet as a nut after that.

Nogginboink · « **Reply #57 on:** October 05, 2009, 08:38:35 am »

A STOP 0x000000ED is an UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/297185 describes this STOP code.

What is the second hexadecimal number in parentheses? That tells you the 'reason' for this crash.

My suggestion would be:

1. Remove the hard drive from this computer.
2. Mount this hard drive as a secondary hard drive in another computer running Windows
3. Back up any data you want to keep
4. Run chkdsk /f on this filesystem
5. Put the drive back in the machine and see if it boots.

KissMyWookie · « **Reply #58 on:** October 05, 2009, 02:56:35 pm »

Quote from: Nogginboink on October 05, 2009, 08:38:35 am

What is the second hexadecimal number in parentheses? That tells you the 'reason' for this crash.

He posted that on the first page of this thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=96593.msg1018968#msg1018968

Flake · « **Reply #59 on:** October 19, 2009, 02:14:19 pm »

Finally got my hard drive cables and began the cloning operation over the weekend. Started on Saturday around 4pm and its STILL RUNNING. The timer claimed another 5 days was in the works last night. I'm using that Acronis software. Is it really supposed to take that long? Seems like a reallly long time, but it is running and appears to be working as far as I can tell.

jasonbar · « **Reply #60 on:** October 19, 2009, 02:43:30 pm »

It took me about half an hour to copy 1 40GB drive (20GB full) to another 40GB drive using DriveImage XML.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=97163.msg1024283#msg1024283

-Jason

Flake · « **Reply #61 on:** October 19, 2009, 02:44:45 pm »

Mine is a 250 GB HD and its loaded with content.

protokatie · « **Reply #62 on:** October 19, 2009, 08:58:12 pm »

You seem to already be going ahead with this, but if I had caught you earlier, I would have suggested backing up data files to DVD or another HDD, then do a full clean install of XP on a new HDD and copy the data files over. The down side to this would be that any applications would need to be reinstalled, but this is the only real sure way. As per having my own problems in the past, I store my data on a separate HDD than the one the OS is on. An extension of this concept is to install your apps on a different HDD than the OS as well, but this has limited benefit.

PK's recommendation for the future: Install OS and Apps on one HDD and set up your data directories on another. Include a directory on the 2nd HD that has all of your DL's (app DL's for instance) which will make it easier to install your apps if such an event pops up again. For thouroughness, I also copy my entire MAME directory, even if the paths dont match, they can be made to match.

Flake · « **Reply #63 on:** October 27, 2009, 07:57:44 pm »

Success! Ten days the damn Acronis software ran but I'll be damn if it all appears to be working. What a relief. Thanks to all for your help!

KissMyWookie · « **Reply #64 on:** October 27, 2009, 08:27:31 pm »

Quote from: Flake on October 27, 2009, 07:57:44 pm

Success! Ten days the damn Acronis software ran but I'll be damn if it all appears to be working. What a relief. Thanks to all for your help!

That's very good news.


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