Cube Quest ?

[MameMaster!]

Anyone have this up and running?

I have the files but can't seem to get it running.

Kinda' ironic for a guy who calls himself "MameMaster!" 

[syph007]

Yup I tried it, works ok.  Its one of the Laserdisc CHD games, the CHD for it is huge >10gb.  I'm running MAME 0.133.

[bkenobi]

Sorta thread jacking, but it's related...

Is there any reason to go with the LD CHD's if I already have Daphne set up?  Those files are HUGE!  I haven't obtained any, but I can't imagine the picture quality would be significantly better than what's available for Daphne.

Thoughts?

[syph007]

Can  daphne play these types though?  This game isnt like a choose your own adventure type game presented by laserdisc.  In this game you actually fly a ship, the laserdisc video is simple used for the backgrounds.

[bkenobi]

Mach3 is one where you fly a ship too.  You have to shoot the targets that are highlighted from the video.

[syph007]

Oh right, and Firefox I think.  I didn't realize Daphne played all those.  I bet they are a the same, and that the MAME team use a very verbose format for the laserdisks to preserve as much as possible.

[Neverending Project]

I know one of the differences is that DAPHNE uses mpeg movies instead of the original video format. This means the video has been compressed and is not true to the original quality. Arguments can ensue about comparisons to the original, but the fact is that it is compressed. I don't know anything about the MAME implementation, but I would guess that they are using the original uncompressed video.

[isucamper]

Anyone have this up and running?

I have the files but can't seem to get it running.

Kinda' ironic for a guy who calls himself "MameMaster!" 

I've got it running but I only get about 70% of full speed.  And that's on a Athlon dual core 4000+.  What errors are you getting?

Also, I've got Firefox running at full speed, but just barely.  Had to switch to 64bit XP and be sure the multithread switch is set in MAME.  Before I did those two things I was at about 90% for Firefox.

[bkenobi]

Compression does not have to equal quality loss (think FLAC et. al. for audio).  The MAME team did not compress the video using any lossless format AFAIK, they just dumped it straight from the original discs.  As a result, the data takes up MUCH more space than the mpg videos.  The files I have are definitely compressed in a lossy format, but then they also don't take up 10GB+ on my disc.

I think isucamper answered my question in that Daphne runs full speed and MAME only runs slowly on a fast machine.  Thanks!

[MameMaster!]

Unfortunately the machine I would play this on is about 6 years old...and before the dual cores came out.

Meh. It will never run fast enough.

Apparently, this game isn't yet available in Daphne. But I read on a forum that it's being "worked on".

 

[u_rebelscum]

The laser disk were analog data, some some stuff is lost when comverting to digital (both mame and daphne).

Mame is compressed, but it's sampled at a higher res, and it's a lossless compression.

The Mpegs are compressed with a lossy compression, and are sampled at the DVD resolution.

Besides that some games have a few mpegs versions out there of differenting quality (self converted, retail dvd, and HD versions), and cube quest is not in daphane, the video quality in general isn't very different between mame and daphane. 
I'm not saying they're exactly the same: they're not.  In some places most people can't tell the difference, in other you can see the differences, and of course the HD version is higher quality than the original arcades so is better image quality than mame.  Some games run only in mame, but more run only in daphane. but the games that are in both, technically mame is slightly higher quality.

Never the less, mame needs more CPU power than daphane, more hardrive throughput, and more disk space.

[TAG]

Also, I've got Firefox running at full speed, but just barely.  Had to switch to 64bit XP and be sure the multithread switch is set in MAME.  Before I did those two things I was at about 90% for Firefox.

That surprises me.  I'm running Firefox with MAME .128 or .129 (whichever was the first version that played it) on my P4 3ghz and it runs at 100%.  It was my understanding that Firefox just needed a speedy harddrive (like 7200 rpm), rather than a blazing CPU.

On the other hand, Cube Quest *IS* CPU intensive, so that one will require a better CPU.

[ark_ader]

Daphne Simulates

MAME Emulates.

Cube Quest has a lot of processors that MAME has to emulate and I believe the Daphne Team do not have the resources or capability to get a game like Cube Quest running in Daphne.  Firefox is different, but follows the same argument. Firefox is complex.

I would add ALG games into this discussion, as there has been an Amiga emulator that would be available for the Daphne Team to utilise, unfortunately there has been no effort for the Daphne Team to accomplish this. 

To give them their fair dues, they have simulated several laserdisc games, all working within a cabinet or PC.  Yet I feel MAME will assimilate Daphne in the not too distant future.

The collection of a few dedicated programmers versus hundreds of talented coders, the odds of getting such a project completed is higher with MAME IMHO.

I would not count the Daphne Team completely out, as I bet they have plenty of projects in the pipeline, to keep their hobby alive, and I'm sure we are all grateful for all their hard work to bring Dragon's Lair into our cabinets.   

[syph007]

Cubequest for sure needs more cpu.  P4 2.8 ghz is running it at 70%.

[Ummon]

Cubequest for sure needs more cpu.  P4 2.8 ghz is running it at 70%.

I dunno if I was gettin that much on mine. I don't play LD games all that much anyways, though, and when I do Daphne is quite fine for those I do play.