Ordering from GroovyGameGear in the UK

[sinkhead]

I'm about to place an order with GroovyGameGear for a large variety of a few products. Two of each colour button and some different switches, to compare the colours and feel of the buttons.

I was hoping they might declare it as 'commercial sample' on the customs form, because, this time, that's what it actually is.

Does anyone know if they comply with requests to make the declaration more accurate? Have any of you here been charged at customs after ordering with GGG?

Thanks

Sam

[saleem]

ultimardc sells happ buttons and microswitchs,i cant see anything there that ultimarc cant supply you,the led lights look a bit dicky.

i take it you want to buy from them and import to uk?

its just your title suggests you wanna buy from them like they are uk based.they are in usa,i know that and i think you do to but,the title says something different.

i seriously doubt buying a spinner and control board or something like that with sample marked on the pckage will get you away with vat.when you think about it,it aint a sample is it?you buy a spinner and fit it to the machine it isnt a sample,you bought it to use.

buying a button of each type wont cut it either,cos they only sell 3 types of buttons and i think only one isnt illuminated,so thinking,i will buy in different colors wont cut it.

you sly dog you.

i buy different colors and i want to buy as a sample!how many people buy different colored buttons for their machines?me for one and many more.
 

[sinkhead]

ultimardc sells happ buttons and microswitchs,i cant see anything there that ultimarc cant supply you,the led lights look a bit dicky.

They are more expensive from Ultimarc and I can't get Competition joysticks or leaf switches from them either. I will be using Ultimarc for some other things, though. I will look into the prices more though, maybe the cost of shipping from GGG will nullfiy the slight increase in price from Ultimarc. I don't like it how the UK-based company shows prices in $ though.

i take it you want to buy from them and import to uk?

its just your title suggests you wanna buy from them like they are uk based.they are in usa,i know that and i think you do to but,the title says something different.

I am in the UK, they are in the USA. Sorry my topic title doesn't make this clear.

i seriously doubt buying a spinner and control board or something like that with sample marked on the pckage will get you away with vat.when you think about it,it aint a sample is it?you buy a spinner and fit it to the machine it isnt a sample,you bought it to use.

But I didn't buy it to use, and I'm not buying a spinner and control board. As I said, they actually are samples. Once I have decided which colours I want and whether the fancy switches are worth it, I'll place a larger order with other things I have decided on. The definition of 'Commercial Sample' is "a sample of a product intended as a prelude to another shipment" and my usage fits this perfectly.

buying a button of each type wont cut it either,cos they only sell 3 types of buttons and i think only one isnt illuminated,so thinking,i will buy in different colors wont cut it.

you sly dog you.

i buy different colors and i want to buy as a sample!how many people buy different colored buttons for their machines?me for one and many more.
 

I'm not trying to evade customs charges. My order genuinely is a sample order. I don't want a control panel looking like I spilled Smarties all over it, and I'm not just ordering different coloured buttons. I'm ordering very small quantities of every single colour they offer.

Again, I'm not trying to evade customs charges. My order genuinely is to compare the colours and switches, and will be followed up with a larger order.

[saleem]

at the end of day you shouldnt have to BUY samples.at the most if you request a sample you will pay postage at the most.

you buy anything from usa and that evades tax,if your item is deemed to be high value item you will get customs charge,whether it is marked SAMPLE or VALUE $30.

these are customs and revenue laws.

if you want sample you should be talking to the suppliers of these items,not the retailers.after all if you wanna buy bulk purchase they are cheapest as they supply the retailer.

[sinkhead]

at the end of day you shouldnt have to BUY samples.at the most if you request a sample you will pay postage at the most.

you buy anything from usa and that evades tax,if your item is deemed to be high value item you will get customs charge,whether it is marked SAMPLE or VALUE $30.

I'm not sure if samples are taxed. And there's nothing in the law about not having to purchase them, either.

these are customs and revenue laws.

I just checked HM Revenue and Customs. Samples are exempt from VAT. By customs and revenue law.

if you want sample you should be talking to the suppliers of these items,not the retailers.after all if you wanna buy bulk purchase they are cheapest as they supply the retailer.

Nothing in the law about the samples having to be bulk.

[saleem]

what i am trying to say is,your paying for an item outside the uk,from usa,you want them to put sample on the packaging to get away with tax.

so basicly you get -10 from me as it only says 1 thing,regardless of what you say.you want to use the buttons,ie:they are not samples.they will probably all be 1 color of your choice or even smarties have the answer .

wait a second,i have every reason in the world to believe you even though you are on internet,everything you say is truthfull.

not!

you even post about joysticks being more expensive and what type bla bla.give it up mate,your scheme is transparent.

[sinkhead]

what i am trying to say is,your paying for an item outside the uk,from usa,you want them to put sample on the packaging to get away with tax.

so basicly you get -10 from me as it only says 1 thing,regardless of what you say.you want to use the buttons,ie:they are not samples.they will probably all be 1 color of your choice or even smarties have the answer .

wait a second,i have every reason in the world to believe you even though you are on internet,everything you say is truthfull.

not!

you even post about joysticks being more expensive and what type bla bla.give it up mate,your scheme is transparent.

It's starting to irritate me when you try to persuade me my intentions are different to what I know they are.

My request is simple, and, in fact, is not directed at you. You are not from the UK and you have not ordered from GGG (or you have not said this) and you are not Randy.

I am not trying to avoid paying taxes I legally have to pay.
I am trying to avoid paying taxes I do not legally have to pay.

Let's go for this once more, in bullet point form.

• The law states that on this purchase I do not have to pay tax.
• I do not have money to waste.
• If the law states that I do not have to pay tax, why should I waste money on paying tax?

[saleem]

if your request was as simple as you put it,then how come you cant come to your own conclusion.

now either go buy your SAMPLES and if they get in without vat charge good luck and if they dont hard crap.

so lets go with this.
.if customs say that they dont think they are a sample (even though they are marked as such) and that the goods exceed the value to make them count as high valued item and therefore you pay tax then you do.
.you better have money cos it will cost you in tax and courier charges or the goods will be confiscated.
.if they say you pay tax then thats what you pay.

you dont seem to grasp how it gos,if they open your item and see lots of arcade buttons and probably joystick/s and microswitchs they will think "hold on,these things are costly" they will value your item and if it exceeds more than £22 i think it is then you get a vat slap across the wrist.

dont try to argue your case,you have not got one,you should be buying and telling the story of how,you didnt or did pay tax,i ordered t molding last night,20ft length,i payed £11 with postage from t-molding.com in usa.i will probably get told its to be custom charged with my luck even though the 20ft length is £18 here which does not exceed the high value vat charge.i probably wont,but,people find it hard to get a 40ft lenght of tmolding into the country without charge and some dont get stung.

6 buttons and microswitchs with postage from ultimarc are £17 i think.i payed that on 1 order of 6 buttons i ordered short,is it too much to pay for 6 buttons you want.ever heard of mocking up button config and colors with colored paper cut to round shapes to see what it looks like color wise.

also i am going to have 2 joysticks,6 buttons each,from right to left green,yellow and red each row,like smarties.will compliment an orange cab with red tmolding me thinks.

i got xarcade from usa,marked as $30,they charged me £17 from parcelforce,customs charge and handling cost.

i might have only payed $30 for it so i would have been exempt.the package was opened by customs and it was valued by them,not because i payed $30 for it because they said it was worth more than £22.

having sample on it would not have mattered either.

[sinkhead]

Please read my previous post. Again.

You've completely missed the point.

As an excercise to assist your understanding, please answer this simple question. Please ignore everything you've said so far and focus on this line.

I know you'll want to argue, but pray, hold it in. Just for a few short seconds.

You can rage later.

Assuming that I'm not telling porkies, and that my items really are for sample purposes, why should I pay tax on an item I'm not required to pay tax on?

[saleem]

simply because its the oldest one in the book,its what most people ask to be put on the items packaging to get something in without charge.so that means vat man miss's out.

1.i think you are telling porkies but,thats not me having any ills against you this is the net after all.

2.regardless its all down to customs,anyone will tell you that.

3.you can always take things up with customs about any charges they make.

4.customs have a right to use their own discretion,if they think they are not samples they can do whatever they want as long as the charges are fitting to the estimated price of the items.you refuse to pay it,items are confiscated and probably destroyed.

you did not read the full customs page mate.even customs page states that even though you might have package marked value $30 or sample does not make you exempt from charges as this is a way that people try to get away with tax and charges so they get the items cheaper.this is where customs uses its discretion.

hence the point i actualy made.you should not pay for samples,as this means you purchased them,therefore you are not exempt.you made a transaction/purchase and this is what customs clamps down on.people buying in usa and importing,to get away with tax which would make the item/s that bit more expensive.

you are probably not a business or vat registered which means this gos against you as you cant charge vat on a sale therefore avoiding the charge.

best is for me to leave it as i got my own doodaas to sort out like you.

sometimes i think that thought without going to too much trouble,mockups,on pc,with colored paper cutouts and making the choice then just purchasing from somewhere like ultimarc is just less hassle.

thats just my opinion.

[sinkhead]

best is for me to leave it as i got my own doodaas to sort out like you.

I agree.

We're never going to reach an amicable conclusion and this has turned into a waste of time.

Thankyou for paying interest nevertheless. 

[CheffoJeffo]

I'm late to the party, but I think the answer is NO -- he won't mislabel international packages.

[richms]

makes me glad that nz customs are ok with anything up to nz$400 of value before caring about getting gst and duty etc.