Smash TV controls are backwards

[mlalena]

I have a 4 player cab in a standard P3 P1 P2 P4 configuration.
Inner 2 sticks are U360s. Outer 2 are 8-ways.

In Smash TV (& other dual joy games) the joysticks are reversed. The Left stick (P3) fires and the Right stick (P1) moves.
When I started to play it felt completely wrong and I can't get used to it even though it has been over 15 years since I've played this at an arcade. It also doesn't match the Dual U360 version of Grid Wars.
I had to look it up to just verify it wasn't me. Left should move, not fire: http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=smash-t.v.&page=detail&id=2476
My other problem is that the P2 controls don't work at all. Can't fire or move with the P2 or P4 joystick.

What is the best way to swap the controls for all doublejoy8way games?
Also, any idea what is wrong with the P2 controls.

Thanks
Mike

[DaveMMR]

There aren't a heck of a lot of dual-joy games.  I would just reconfigure each game individually.  Easiest way.

And is your P2 joystick working in other games.  It may just not be configured for the dual-joy games if it does.  Again, hop into the configuration screens...

[Lilwolf]

You can change the default for player 1 left and player 1 right... and player 2 left and player 2 right.  This will take care of everything...

But if you want to change the defaults for some games... setup a cfg directory (-cfg_directory specialGames) and then change the defaults...

Then I use multimame to with multiple emulators (all being mame with different cfg directories)...

[bkenobi]

You could try Cfg Magician.  This is exactly why it was written, so it would be the best way to go if there's more than one dual joystick game you need to configure.  The only thing is, you need to have a list of roms that are dual joystick.  The best way to figure that out is with Rom Lister IMO.

[u_rebelscum]

I'm just repeating what others said, but what the hey.

Sounds like you already remapped (since you have the "P3"* stick working, depending how it's connected).  Or maybe not since player 2 isn't working (as mame's has no defaults for P2's dual sticks).  Because mame's left stick does move the character, and mame's right stick fires, I'll bet it's all about incorrect mapping.

*I find it easier to think the stick as joystick 1-4, NOT player 1-4's joysticks when remapping.  So I'd call your layout J3 J1 J2 J4.

I'd say remap general, since the dual stick inputs are different from the normal stick input (IOW, remapping them won't effect non-dual stick games).  Start any game, tab, select "Input (general)", select player 1, and scroll down to the p1 right/### and p1 left/### game inputs.  The left and right shown prior is the stick, and the "###" is that stick's direction.  You want P1 left have J3 mapped, and P1 right to J1.  Select each of the eight inputs, and press the corresponding stick and direction in turn.  Repeat for player 2 inputs with J2 & J4.

If you do "Inputs (general)" all dual stick games should work.  IMO, Cfg Magician is an overkill for this job, but might be the thing if you need to remap some of games differently than other with the same input type.

[severdhed]

I'm just repeating what others said, but what the hey.

Sounds like you already remapped (since you have the "P3"* stick working, depending how it's connected).  Or maybe not since player 2 isn't working (as mame's has no defaults for P2's dual sticks).  Because mame's left stick does move the character, and mame's right stick fires, I'll bet it's all about incorrect mapping.

*I find it easier to think the stick as joystick 1-4, NOT player 1-4's joysticks when remapping.  So I'd call your layout J3 J1 J2 J4.

I'd say remap general, since the dual stick inputs are different from the normal stick input (IOW, remapping them won't effect non-dual stick games).  Start any game, tab, select "Input (general)", select player 1, and scroll down to the p1 right/### and p1 left/### game inputs.  The left and right shown prior is the stick, and the "###" is that stick's direction.  You want P1 left have J3 mapped, and P1 right to J1.  Select each of the eight inputs, and press the corresponding stick and direction in turn.  Repeat for player 2 inputs with J2 & J4.

If you do "Inputs (general)" all dual stick games should work.  IMO, Cfg Magician is an overkill for this job, but might be the thing if you need to remap some of games differently than other with the same input type.

if you to to input (general) and remap p1 left to j3 left, would it not do that for every game that doesnt have it's own cfg file?  how many dual joystick games can there possibly be?  i'd just go to input (this game) and remap the controls for those few games..there cannot be that many of them.

[u_rebelscum]

...p1 right/### and p1 left/### game inputs.  The left and right shown prior is the stick, and the "###" is that stick's direction....

...If you do "Inputs (general)" all dual stick games should work.  IMO, Cfg Magician is an overkill for this job, but might be the thing if you need to remap some of games differently than other with the same input type.

if you to to input (general) and remap p1 left to j3 left, would it not do that for every game that doesnt have it's own cfg file?  how many dual joystick games can there possibly be?  i'd just go to input (this game) and remap the controls for those few games..there cannot be that many of them.

No.

Since mame treats the dual sticks as different inputs than the normal 8-way sticks, remapping "P1 Left/Left" to "J3 Left" will not effect the 90% of the other games that use "P1 Left" input.  Remember, you're not mapping "J3 Left" to "P1 Left/Left"; if "J3 Left" is in any other inputs' maps before you remap "P2 Left/Left" to it, it will still be in those other inputs, too.  (However, if you remapped as you said in your example, yes the other games would be changed, and the dual stick games would not be changed to the correct map.)

So why remap even three or four times (smashtv, total carnage, robotron, & crazy climber, but maws find ~60 parents for the four types of dual joystick inputs) or use a third party app,  when doing it once in Input general fixes it for all dual stick games?  And does not hurt any other games.