I am going to burn my Cab I'm building!!!

[FrizzleFried]

ok, I have to be missing something here.

Everyones head must be able to go up and sideways to keep up with the horizontal and vertical roll I have, there is no flippin way I can uninstall drivers and reinstall drivers with the Arcade card in. it took me the last hour to try to install the drivers for the Arcade card. I did it, but I cant get the rolling to stop long enough to try to get the right driver used!

The AVGA has two outputs... the VGA output is for 15khz and the DVI output is for 30khz.   Hook a monitor to the DVI output (it's been a while,  so forgive me if it's two VGA outputs,  but I think its 1 VGA and 1 DVI).
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[saint]

I've narrowed down the issue with Rick and Andy's help, although, I'm not sure what is wrong, exactly.

Rick made a new break out cable, tested it and sent it to me. I installed it and continue to have the vertical and horizontal rolling, along with the picture leaning to the left or right and small black lines about 1-2 mm apart horizontally across the screen.

So earlier in this thread I said that the CPU will not fire with the monitor connected to the VGA plug on the ARCADE card. Andy is investigating this more, here's what I found:

CPU will not fire with monitor in VGA port
Once CPU is started and the Arcade monitor is plugged in, the LCD monitor will not work (no signal)
CPU fires up just fine with teh LCD monitor in
CPU fires up when the VGA cable is connected to the card, but disconnected from the breakout cable
CPU fires up when the VGA cable is connected to the card, but disconnected from the breakout cable and the LCD is connected (LCD works)
CPU does not fire when connected to the breakout cable (I took the cable off the monitor, since we already know with everything connected I cannot get the CPU to fire

So it looks like the break out cable, however, Rick had this working just fine with an identical monitor, this cable and an Arcade card. All pins are good on the VGA cable too.

Anyone make sense of this puzzle?

Eric

Just as a test, try taking the whole kit and kaboodle and plugging it (AVGA, breakout cable, monitor) into a different computer with a different model of motherboard. Rule out some kind of funky issue there.

[BigDaddyE]

Saint-

Same results, I had the same thought last night, so I tried that too!

Fried-

I believe if I hooked up my VGA to teh DVI I would fry the monitor?

Eric

[FrizzleFried]

Saint-

Same results, I had the same thought last night, so I tried that too!

Fried-

I believe if I hooked up my VGA to teh DVI I would fry the monitor?

Eric

There are converters...DVI to VGA....they oftentimes come with a video card that has both a VGA and DVI output for dual VGA compatibility.

They can be had for super cheap.

[swamprat96]

The DVI port will NOT support the arcade monitor- don't do it. Use the LCD monitor to install the arcdeVGA drivers. You'll have no problem doing this and the LCD should still work

Now did you introduce the J-Pac to the equation? The J-Pac will protect your monitor while you sort this out. It will also tell you whether your monitor is in sync- which it obviously is not.

How about updating us about the video ground? Is it connected and in common with the cabinet /psu ground?

One more thing - already suggested earlier in this thread. Got another video card floating around? One with dual ports- vga and DVI like you have (you could by one for $40USD). Use the Jpac! Now install soft15Khz and set the Vga port to 15hz. You'll be able to leave your LCD plugged in and it will work while you troubleshoot this and your monitor is protected.  Use the quickres utility and set your arcade monitor to 15hz 640 x 480. I'm betting it will work. yes more cash but this is what I went through.

The arcadeVGA does not like all motherboards. I've had a similar issue with this card and use soft15khz on the machine that would not work with the arcadeVGA card. If you have onboard graphics on the donor PC this could be the issue. Andy states on his site that this can cause issues(it did for me) and the fact that your machine will not boot suggests the card is incompatible. It should boot even out of sync

[swamprat96]

Hey BigDaddyE- any update? Did you get it working?

[Rickn]

This is very out of character for me but I am disappointed with some of the opening comments, in no way would I ever treat a customer or anyone on this or any forum as a "dumb..."
I have never met Andy, but I am sure he would not either.
There has been countless e-mails on this to me and probably same to Andy... I have now got Eric to make sure to reply all until we get this fixed.
Yep sent a new breakout cable a week ago, sent another new breakout cable, VGA Cable and new monitor chassis today.
No charges so far, I will be more than happy if we find out that threw all the efforts to help BigdaddyE, the board has been damaged.
We go a long way to help our customers.
In a nutshell, please be considerate before posting, I am pretty sure no other manufacturer would answer e-mails all weekend.
Sorry guys, I guess now I am just venting, thanks for all your support.
Rick

[TOK]

We don't see anyone from WG, Happ or Betson in here, so I don't think anyone doubts your dedication! 

[AndyWarne]

The DVI port will NOT support the arcade monitor- don't do it. Us dthe LCD monitor to install the arcdeVGA drivers. You'll have no problem doing this and the LCD should still work

Many people have referred to driver issues here, but this is not the area to look. The ArcadeVGA card should give a picture on the arcade monitor right from power-up and it is not, so drivers are not in the equation yet.

As Rick has said, we are both doing our best to help here and emails are running into 20-30 but this is not a concern, we just want to see it working.

This is an example of a problem where it is difficult to pinpoint which component is at fault. Loss of sync could be the VGA card, cable or monitor and sometimes swap-out is the only way.

The fact the ArcadeVGA card gives "out of range" when a PC monitor is connected to the VGA port indicates its likely to be working but we dont yet know for sure.

Andy 

[Chris]

Could it just be a bad monitor?  Do arcade monitors have test modes they can get into without anything attached?

[swamprat96]

Yes I was not inferring the drivers were the issue- just suggesting a way of installing them correctly.

I've used the arcadeVGA card in another project since where it works fine. Andy very kindly sent me a replacement card when I thought that perhaps I had an issue with the first one I received. The replacement had the same issue-but both times in Dell PC's - one with and one without graphics on board where the PC's would not boot. It also worked fine on one gigabyte M/B but not on another. There are some motherboards that just won't work here and perhaps thats what Bigdaddy has.

What I was pointing to here is the fact that the motherboard will not boot with the arcade monitor attached. Here I suspect lies the issue as it should boot as you say Andy. But I'd really like to see the final solution when it happens as it is an unusual issue. So please post it when you find it Big Daddy. Rick's gone out of his way with this and Andy has as well- as he always does. You are well supported

[thecheat]

It was never stated if this was an AGP or PCI-E card. I had a problem with a Dell desktop not working with an ATI video PCI-E video card but an Nvidia card worked fine.

The reason was the revision of PCI-E implemented. The Nvidia card was 1.0 and the ATI was 1.2 or something like that. Supposedly the newer cards are backwards compatible but in the case of the Dell, it could only work with 1.0 cards.

My problem was a total no-boot scenario but it's possible that incompatible PCI-E cards could do weird things.

Of course, if this is an AGP card, I haven't seen card compatibility issues. I would suggest putting the card in another computer and seeing if that fixes the issue.

[Ummon]

Those comments must've gotten edited out....

On that first picture posted, it looks very much like interlace at VGA or above. The color scheme I dunno.

[BigDaddyE]

 

Update.

Working behind the scenes with Rick and Andy, I have a stable picture on the screen, still slightly jumpy, but I haven't adjusted anything yet, I am just happy to have a picture!

It seems that something was wrong on either the CRT or chassis board. As the three of us worked through the troubleshooting, Rick sent me the new boards, I installed them and have a picture! Much better than I was getting.

I now have a monitor that is severely magnetized, so I am in the process of finding a local degaussing wand or I will order one.

Still have a ways to go, but Rick and Andy have stood by me to get this far and I am sure they will stay by me until I have everything about right. They both get that-a-boys from a very appreciative customer.

I also appreciate the help from the community, this is truly a learning process for me.

I will update again after I get the screen degaussed.

Eric