X-Men Origins: Wolverine--SPOILERS!

[Arcadiac]

SPOILER ALERT!!

Just got my grubby paws on a workprint of the new movie. 
Marvel did it again! 
Very good combination of the Origins mini-series, Weapon X and other Marvel Universe elements from throughout the X-men/Wolverine mythos.
Only a change or two I didn't agree with but all in all a good start at handling the Wolverine's story and a good setup for a sequel.
Can't wait to see the finished product next month!

SNIKT!

'Nuff Said

ARCADIAC!

[shardian]

I don't understand why anyone would want to spoil the movie and watch that. I heard about it, and that alot of the cgi was missing. All I needed to know was from the vague comments of people who watched it. I am quite surprised that the movie has good buzz. I expected it to suck balls.

[Arcadiac]

I understand, I generally avoid workprints for the movies I really want to see in theater, I just couldn't wait for this one! 
Actually this was the first workprint I've seen that was as incomplete as it is.
I like to see the work in process, don't mind cgi, didn't spoil it for me, just makes me want to see it more when it comes out. 

ARCADIAC!

[Chadwick]

I watched it last night and I thought it was great.  The unfinished parts were not distracting at all.

[shmokes]

I also watched it.  I would not go so far as to say Marvel's done it again.  It's no Daredevil, but it's no Iron Man either.  This movie will get a solid 60-70% on the Tomatometer.

[Flip_Willie]

So I just watched it in theaters today. I thought it was pretty good.

One thing bugged me though. Is it just me, or were some of the special effects bad? For example, some of the close-up shots of Wolverine's metallic claws just looked bad to me. Maybe I am just being picky though.

Flip Willie

[shmokes]

It's one that gets worse over time.  The more I think about it the more mediocre I think it was.  Like, when they go into that black guy's building killing everybody along the way only to get to him and he says, "Take the diamonds, they're yours," and Striker grabs the Adamantium meteorite and says, "I don't want your diamonds, I want this."  And black guy gets this incredulous look on his face and says, "That?  That is nothing.  A souvenir."  Striker then asks him where he found it and he doesn't hesitate.  He doesn't care.  He doesn't give a ---fudgesicle--- about this rock.  Why would he?

So that's the rub.  Like . . . why didn't Striker just pick up the phone and give the guy a call?  "Hey, black guy.  That rock you have on your desk.  I want it.  I'll give you $10k for it."  And of course he'd be prepared to go much much higher, but wouldn't want to tip the guy off as to how valuable it is.  And, of course, if the guy was a --cream-filled twinkie-- then Striker could go in killing.  But WTF?  It makes no sense.  Now black guy doesn't have a single employee and he's just left thinking, "What the ---fudgesicle---, guy?  I would have given you the ---smurfing--- paperweight."

[Flake]

Well to be fair, maybe he did call him and he refused to give it up.  Stryker had to have obtained knowledge of the meteor's whereabouts somehow.  Besides maybe in his mind he's doing humanity a favor by wiping out another drug dealer or whatever he was.........

The movie was good I thought, well worth watching.  Was it great?  Probably not, but worth the price of admission.....

[shmokes]

No . . . Stryker never called him.  That much is clear.  When Stryker said he wanted the rock it was absolutely clear that it had never occurred to black guy that anybody would want the rock.  He was like, "That?  That is nothing.  A souvenir."  He doesn't know it's valuable (and probably it is in fact not valuable except to a few people).  And this is a guy who sells rocks for a living.  Even if he knew the rock was valuable (which he clearly didn't) he's not going to hoard it anymore than he's going to hoard his diamonds.  He's a businessman.


edit:  Oh yeah, and black guy also has a small army of employees with automatic weapons and he knows the source of the Adamantium, yet he hasn't tried to obtain any more.  Definitely Stryker didn't call first.  What a --cream-filled twinkie--.   

[Flake]

Well he's a business man but clearly not a legitimate one.  I dont know too many legitimate business men with small armies and tanks.  So again, maybe his justification was to rid the world of this criminal.  I think Stryker in his own mind has "humanity's" best interest at heart.....however misguided.  Also, why pay a criminal $10,000 for something when you can just kill him and take it.  Also, if he would have offered cash for the rock the criminal would have realized it was worth something and would have probably investigated the matter for himself.   

Besides, the scene allows the team to showcase their talents while simultaneously provides the origin of the adamantium.  There is really nothing wrong with this scene.  It could have been enhanced possibly by exploring how Stryker knew he had the rock in the first place, but even then I'm not sure that adds much value.

[Flake]

This from the guy who is perusing threads...and in fact commenting on said thread.....in which he admittingly has no interest.

Someone clearly needs more to do.

[Malenko]

I believe the premise of the attack was covert ops to take out a drug dealer and stryker used the mission to get the adamantium (sp?), like others said it was mostly used as a plot device to show off the teams powers.

PBJ, no ones is arguing anything, just discussing. This IS the EVERYTHING ELSE section, so why not talk about a pretty big movie release?

[Flake]

I believe the premise of the attack was covert ops to take out a drug dealer and stryker used the mission to get the adamantium (sp?), like others said it was mostly used as a plot device to show off the teams powers.

Exactly

[TOK]

Dude I work with is a comic book guy and HATED this movie.

He said it might not irritate me because I'm not as into it as he is, but basically said he can't believe Marvel let the story of this get screwed up so bad. He told me Marvel insisted on creative control of movies because they were getting screwed up so bad, but thinks the X-Men series is probably exempt from that due to the way the deal went down when the first X-Men movie was released.

I did read the Wolverine: Origins graphic novel that covers his childhood (before the Weapon X part), but not anything covering the era of the movie.

[shmokes]

Well, duh.  I know it was a plot device.  It just didn't make any sense.  Let me show you how a plot device is supposed to work:


Write a scene that makes sense in which the characters show off their abilities.


See how that works?  Serving some purpose doesn't suddenly turn poor writing into good writing.

[SNAAKE]

I don't understand why anyone would want to spoil the movie and watch that. I heard about it, and that alot of the cgi was missing. All I needed to know was from the vague comments of people who watched it. I am quite surprised that the movie has good buzz. I expected it to suck balls.

yeah I thought it was good. I wanna say its the best xmen movie but its not. its just not the same without magneto. easily one of the good "summer movie" though. origins is underrated imo.

[Flake]

Write a scene that makes sense in which the characters show off their abilities.

What dont you understand about the scene providing the origin of the adamantium?  The scene A) makes sense and B) provides the necessary outlet for the characters to showcase ability.

Like I said in previous posts, I'm sure the drug lord would have suspected the rock had some value if someone would have gone out of their way to offer some cash for it.  I think your plot recommendation of offering up cash for the rock wouldnt have worked at all.

[shmokes]

What dont you understand about the scene providing the origin of the adamantium?  The scene A) makes sense and B) provides the necessary outlet for the characters to showcase ability.

Like I said in previous posts, I'm sure the drug lord would have suspected the rock had some value if someone would have gone out of their way to offer some cash for it.  I think your plot recommendation of offering up cash for the rock wouldnt have worked at all.

Of course he would realize that it has some value to it.  That is the case anytime anyone sells anything.  So what?  It's not like the diamond dealer can just put it on Ebay and make a fortune.  Striker's like the only person alive who can manipulate adamantium.  There's not going to be a bidding war for it or anything.  And in any case, it makes no sense not to at least attempt to purchase it.  It's not like you can't have the backup plan of going in and killing everyone.  In face, all they would have had to do to have the same scene but have it make sense, would be to write it so black guy knew how valuable it was and wouldn't let go of it.